In this podcast episode, Walter Sweat hosts Chad Jones and Paul Holland from Astadia to discuss the evolving landscape of mainframe modernization and cloud migration. They explore the historical context of mainframe migration, the shift in customer needs towards agility and cloud solutions, and the current trends in refactoring versus replatforming. The conversation also touches on the importance of planning, automation, and the role of Gen AI in modernizing legacy systems. The experts share insights on how organizations can successfully navigate their mainframe to cloud journeys and the future potential of Gen AI in this space.