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episode of the
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season already.
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We hope you've enjoyed the show so far. And
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as we do every year, we open
3:34
the final show up to questions from
3:36
our listeners. We've
3:38
tried to squeeze as many as possible
3:41
into this episode, and this year we
3:43
got some of the best questions we've
3:45
ever received. We'll
3:55
talk about how bands create theme songs for
3:57
TV shows and how much they get paid.
4:00
We'll go back in time and
4:02
talk about that flirtatious couple from
4:04
that famous Nescafe TV campaign, remember
4:06
them. And we'll
4:08
explore why condom makers now
4:10
market different sizes when
4:12
it used to be one size fits
4:15
all. Let's
4:32
go to our first question. Graham
4:35
Cooper asks, What
4:37
if any difference is there between the
4:39
word new and the word improved? We
4:42
usually see those phrases as a tag
4:45
team. Can a product be
4:47
improved without it being tagged as
4:49
new? Well
4:51
Graham, usually a product that has been
4:53
updated and made better is labeled new
4:56
and improved. Maybe new research
4:58
has come to light or a new ingredient
5:00
has been added or subtracted.
5:03
All of which makes the product better
5:05
than the original, hopefully. Sometimes
5:08
the improvements are to reduce manufacturing
5:10
costs or to increase shelf life,
5:12
which is more of a company
5:14
benefit than a customer benefit. According
5:17
to the Canadian Ad Standards
5:19
Organization, companies can only
5:21
use the word new in advertising for
5:24
one year. It
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appears there are no regulations regarding
5:29
the word improved, but
5:31
if a product claims to be improved,
5:33
then the company must be ready to
5:35
prove it has been improved. Otherwise,
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it falls under false and
5:40
misleading advertising. By
5:43
the way, I wrote a TV commercial
5:45
for Moosehead Beer once that touched on
5:47
this very subject of new and improved.
5:50
I've told the backstory before, but here
5:52
it is again. The actor is the
5:54
late, great Alan Arkin. Do
6:00
I really need a turbo anything? Must
6:02
there be air pockets in my sneakers? If
6:05
something's new and improved, what was wrong with it in the
6:07
first place? Why didn't they just say,
6:09
don't buy this yet, we are going to improve it? That's
6:12
why I like Moosehead. It's brewed
6:14
by the original family, unchanged and unapproved
6:16
since 1867, which
6:19
means they got it right the first time.
6:22
Moosehead, they should give seminars.
6:25
Sometimes when something hasn't been improved,
6:28
it's better. So,
6:30
we need to get going. Kim
6:39
Allen Grant wrote to say, I'm
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always curious about the books you read.
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I'm hoping you can make a Terry's
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book list of best reads, love the
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show. Thanks Kim. I
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actually do have a running list of books I
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read for the show. If you
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go to my personal website, terryoreilly.ca,
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you'll see Terry's book club there. I
7:01
list the most interesting books I've read to
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research the show, and I welcome suggestions from
7:06
listeners. And you'll find the
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latest book I've written there too, titled My
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Best Mistake, about people who
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made catastrophic career decisions, but
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it ended up being the best thing that ever
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happened to them. John
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Palmieri wants to know, what's
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the deal with real estate signs? Why
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do agents always put their pictures on them?
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And what is the history of those signs?
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Actually, John, we did an entire
7:35
episode on real estate advertising and
7:37
answered that very question. Go
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to our podcast archives on
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any podcast app and search
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selling the dream real estate
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advertising. It's from season six
7:48
in 2017, episode 14. Gary
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asks the funniest question of the day. He
8:03
wants to know, why they
8:05
don't make mouse-flavored cat food.
8:08
Hilarious, good question. Well
8:10
there's chicken and fish flavored cat food,
8:12
but there just seems to be something
8:15
so wrong about mouse-flavored cat food. But
8:17
it is funny. That reminds
8:19
me, years ago I wanted to produce
8:21
a dog food commercial and blow a
8:23
dog whistle throughout the entire ad that
8:25
only dogs could hear. I
8:28
imagined people sitting at home watching TV,
8:30
the dog food commercial comes on, and
8:32
their dog's ears stand straight up every
8:35
time the dog food commercial came
8:37
on. As if the dogs were
8:39
choosing that particular brand. Never
8:42
got around to doing that. Allison
8:53
Wallach in Fochuck has an interesting
8:55
question. Do musicians
8:57
market their songs for the opening
9:00
credits of TV shows, for example
9:02
Friends, Big Bang Theory, all the
9:04
CSI shows, etc. In
9:06
the 70s and 80s, theme songs were made
9:09
for shows. How do they approach
9:11
all this? Well
9:13
Allison, I don't think bands actively
9:15
market their songs for TV show
9:17
themes. I think it's the other way
9:19
around. TV production companies approach
9:21
bands about using their songs as
9:23
theme songs. I
9:25
asked my friend Trevor Morris about this.
9:28
Trevor is an Emmy Award-winning music composer
9:31
down in Hollywood. He's written the scores
9:33
and theme songs from many movies and
9:35
TV shows. Trevor
9:37
says that if a TV production
9:39
company or studio is buying an
9:41
existing song from a band, it
9:44
can cost anywhere from $25,000 to $250,000 or a million
9:46
dollars plus if it's a
9:52
big hit from a big band like
9:54
say The Beatles or The Who.
10:02
The CSI franchise has used songs from
10:04
The Who for a long time. Songwriter
10:07
Pete Townsend says he doesn't regret
10:09
licensing the songs at all. As
10:12
a matter of fact, Townsend believes the
10:14
use of his songs on CSI renewed
10:17
interest in The Who and allowed the
10:19
band to start touring again. Then
10:22
there is the matter of royalties. If
10:28
a TV show goes into syndication
10:30
and banks close to 100 episodes,
10:33
music composers hit the motherload. That
10:36
means the show will probably run for
10:38
years. Gary Portnoy,
10:40
who wrote the theme song
10:42
for Cheers, and Jonathan Wolf, who
10:44
wrote the Seinfeld theme
10:50
song. Both
10:55
earned enough money to retire early
10:57
in their careers. The
11:00
Bare Naked Ladies wrote the theme song for Big
11:02
Bang Theory. Here's
11:04
an interesting story about that. As
11:28
we've mentioned before, show creator Chuck
11:30
Lorre had attended a Bare Naked Ladies
11:32
concert in L.A. one night and
11:35
lead singer Ed Robertson sang an
11:37
impromptu rap about the origins of
11:39
the universe. Lorre was
11:41
developing a new sitcom called Big Bang
11:43
Theory at the time, and in that
11:46
moment he thought the Bare Naked Ladies
11:48
would be perfect to write a fun
11:50
theme song for the show. He
11:53
contacted Ed Robertson in 2005, who
11:56
wrote it in the shower one morning in about
11:59
15 minutes. Since
12:02
the show was a big hit and
12:04
considering it's in reruns constantly, the bare
12:07
naked ladies have made big coin from
12:09
that theme song. Ed
12:11
Robertson has since said it changed his
12:13
life more than any other song in
12:15
the band's catalog. He
12:17
said the song has been very
12:20
good to his family financially and
12:22
to his grandchildren's family financially, which
12:25
suggests the royalties are huge.
12:28
When former frontman Stephen Page left the Bare
12:30
Naked Ladies in 2009, he sued the band
12:35
for his share of the song's royalties.
12:38
Page said he was entitled to 20% of
12:40
the theme song royalties and revealed
12:42
that he believed the revenue was
12:45
in excess of, quote, $1 million.
12:49
Big Cash For
12:51
the final scene of the final
12:53
episode of Big Bang Theory, the
12:56
band recorded a simple and emotional
12:58
acoustic version of the theme. Our
13:01
whole universe was
13:03
in a hot, dense state. The nearly
13:05
14 billion years
13:07
ago, expansion started. Wait.
13:11
The earth began to cool. The
13:14
autotrophs began to drool. Neanderthals
13:16
developed tools. We built a
13:19
wall. We built the pyramids.
13:23
Math science history. Unraveling
13:26
the mystery. That
13:28
all started with a Big Bang.
13:34
After 12 highly rated seasons,
13:36
Big Bang Theory was over,
13:40
but will live on for years.
13:49
Antoinette has a question. She
13:52
would like to know if a radio
13:54
station would ever refuse an ad because
13:56
it is annoying and might cause listeners
13:58
to change the channel. each time
14:00
the ad aired. Well,
14:03
I reached out to two of my friends who
14:05
used to work at one of the top radio
14:07
stations in Toronto. Now back
14:09
in the 70s, the programming department
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of major radio stations had
14:14
the power to turn down annoying commercials and
14:17
would do so almost every week
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and sometimes daily. The
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14:44
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14:46
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14:48
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14:51
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14:53
the ads be kept on the air.
14:57
And listener complaints rarely make a difference, by the
14:59
way. The only reasons
15:01
to pull a commercial today are ads
15:03
with bad sound quality, which
15:05
is never tolerated, or because
15:08
of an official complaint from the
15:10
Ad Standards Council. Richard
15:19
Hart wants to know this. Has
15:22
anyone been terminated from an ad
15:24
campaign due to an acting role
15:26
they took? Hmm,
15:28
good question. I
15:31
can't think of any commercial actor who
15:33
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15:35
movie acting job they took on. But
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15:40
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15:44
a beer brand, was arrested
15:47
on child porn charges. Needless
15:49
to say, he was fired, and his
15:51
ad campaign was yanked off the air
15:53
immediately. was
16:00
a certain celebrity. That
16:02
celebrity got into big legal trouble back in
16:04
2015 and was
16:06
arrested. The next
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time I directed one of those commercials, the
16:11
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which is the premier advertising
24:12
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that year, 2021, WPP companies had won a total of
24:27
190 awards.
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It costs anywhere from €630 to €2600, or
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the equivalent of $3800 Canadian dollars, to
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enter a single commercial or print ad
24:41
into the Cannes award show. 30,000 ads
24:44
are entered in the festival
24:47
every year. It's a serious
24:49
investment for ad agencies. And
24:52
a hefty percentage of them come
24:54
from WPP companies, given that
24:56
it operates in more than 110 countries. Clearly, awards are
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very important
25:03
to WPP. So,
25:06
brand power is an interesting
25:08
flower in the WPP bouquet.
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It maintains that 75% of
25:14
award-winning ads don't work, yet
25:16
it is owned by one of the
25:18
most award-winning ad companies in the world.
25:22
It kind of reminds me of Colonel Tom
25:25
Parker. He distributed buttons
25:27
that said, I love Elvis, and
25:29
also buttons that said, I hate
25:32
Elvis. He was
25:34
trying to corner both ends of
25:36
the market. Todd
25:46
Goulding asks a saucy question.
25:50
Why do condoms come in many
25:52
sizes? Years ago, it was
25:54
one size, and I never heard anyone
25:57
complain. Okay,
25:59
well, Todd. Let's take
26:01
a look at how Trojan markets its products.
26:04
On its website, Trojan says it now
26:06
makes condoms in several different sizes. Clearly,
26:09
condom makers realized that by offering
26:12
more choice, they could generate more
26:14
profit. So how
26:17
do you know which size is right for you?
26:20
Well, Trojan has a handy
26:22
video on its site to help with that
26:24
question. Dare we play it?
26:28
Why not? Grab your tape measure because
26:30
today we're teaching you how to measure your banana. Please
26:32
note, your banana will need to be ripe to take
26:35
these measurements. That's a very important step. For
26:37
length, start by putting the end of the tape
26:39
measure against your stomach at the base of your
26:41
banana, and measure out to the farthest point of
26:43
the tip to the nearest one-eighth of an inch.
26:45
I think you get the idea. It's
26:47
an amusing video. According
26:52
to Trojan, condoms come in the
26:55
classic shape, the flared or baseball
26:57
bat shape, the large bulbous
26:59
end, and the super bulbous
27:02
end, which just sounds alarming.
27:05
They also come in ribbed, studded,
27:07
and smooth, and can create a
27:09
warming or cooling tingling sensation, and
27:12
some come in flavors. You
27:14
can buy a variety pack that gives
27:16
you four different shapes to try, and
27:18
there's a place on the website where
27:20
you can sign up for discounts, and
27:23
Trojan has a newsletter called Dirty Talk.
27:26
And by the way, condoms are nothing new.
27:29
They were depicted on hieroglyphics
27:31
dating back to ancient Egypt.
27:35
According to ABC News, Europeans
27:37
like their textures and shapes a
27:39
bit racier. Brazilians and
27:42
South Koreans seem to prefer
27:44
flavored condoms. The Chinese
27:46
are the heaviest users, and
27:48
here in North America, Walmart sells
27:50
the most condoms. Who
27:53
knew? Kevin
28:02
Marshall writes, Do
28:04
you remember the flirtatious couple in that
28:06
series of ads for Taster's Choice Instant
28:09
Coffee back in the early 1990s? Wasn't
28:13
that from the UK? Yes, it
28:15
was. Kevin goes on to
28:17
ask, Why did the ads in North
28:19
America appear to be for Nescafe Gold,
28:22
using the same actors? That
28:24
series was so engaging. Very
28:27
true, Kevin. That series of
28:29
ads with an ongoing storyline
28:31
was immensely popular. Over
28:34
in the UK, the ads were for
28:36
Nescafe Gold Blend. Here in
28:38
North America, that same coffee was
28:40
actually called Taster's Choice. And
28:43
yes, they redid the campaign with
28:45
the same actors here, only without
28:47
the British accents. For
28:49
those who don't remember this campaign, let
28:52
me top you up. It
28:55
originally ran in the UK from 1987 to 1993. The
29:00
first commercial in the series had two people
29:02
meeting for the first time. An
29:05
attractive woman walks across the
29:07
hall and presses her handsome
29:09
neighbor's doorbell. Hello,
29:15
I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm having a dinner
29:18
party and I've run out of coffee.
29:22
Come in. Thank you. She seems delighted
29:24
to meet her and offers some Gold Blend
29:26
coffee. Will Gold Blend be too good for
29:28
your guests? Oh,
29:31
I think they could get used to it. It's a
29:33
very sophisticated coffee. They have very
29:35
sophisticated taste. Later
29:37
at her dinner party, she is
29:39
asked, Have you met your new neighbour yet? Oh,
29:42
I've popped in for coffee. It
29:45
was the beginning of a storyline where the
29:47
two neighbours would flirt with each other. In
29:50
the second ad, our handsome neighbour is
29:52
having lunch with another woman when
29:54
his doorbell rings again. You
30:01
saved my life the other night. The dinner
30:03
party? The coffee. Very
30:06
successful. How can you ever thank me? I'll try
30:09
and think of something. In the meantime, at
30:11
least, I can return your gold land. Look,
30:13
I'm in the middle of something right now, but
30:16
perhaps... Perhaps. Ah,
30:18
the romantic tension builds. Does
30:21
he already have a girlfriend? Will the
30:23
neighbors ever get together? That
30:26
cliffhanger drove the campaign. In
30:29
the next ad in the series, Handsome
30:32
Man is late for a dinner party,
30:34
and to his surprise, his attractive neighbor
30:36
is one of the guests. No,
30:38
you're always this late. I will be tomorrow. What's
30:42
happening tomorrow? I'm inviting you for dinner.
30:46
What makes you think I'll accept? You
30:49
can't resist my coffee. Well, well, we
30:51
seem to have a date planned. In
30:54
the next ad, Handsome Man rings Attractive
30:56
Lady's doorbell, and
30:58
another man answers. Uh-oh.
31:02
I'll get it, shall I? Hello.
31:04
Good evening. Do you
31:07
want the lady of the house? Well,
31:10
she's getting changed. Then
31:13
Attractive Lady asks... Who was at the door? He said
31:15
he was a neighbor. I told him you were in
31:18
the bedroom. And
31:21
did you tell him who you are? He didn't
31:23
ask. In the next ad, we discover who
31:25
that is. I called around
31:27
last night. You had company. You mean
31:29
my brother? Came around for coffee.
31:32
In part seven, Handsome Man and
31:34
Attractive Lady finally share their first
31:36
kiss. In part eight, they
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When the final installment aired in 1993, over 30
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