Chris and Andy discuss whether TV shows need more entry points, using their complicated feelings about ‘The Penguin’ as an example (02:21). Then, they talk about the Season 1 finale of ‘The English Teacher’ (28:45). Plus, Chris tells Andy about ‘Tell Me Lies’ (35:12) and discusses how it compares to shows like ‘Grey’s Anatomy.’ Finally, they talk about the upcoming ‘Superman’ movie, the English adaptation of ‘The Bureau,’ and the Netflix original ‘Black Doves’ (50:18).

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