For this full-on “what is a photo” episode, we start by chatting with Halide developers Ben Sandofsky and Sebastiaan De With about what it means to build a camera app in 2024 — and what it means to try and accurately capture a photo. Then The Verge’s Allison Johnson joins the show to talk about her experiment going all-in on AI-ifying her photos. Finally, we answer a hotline about which gadgets to attach to your head when you go for a run.Further reading:

Halide

Halide’s Process Zero feature captures photos with no AI processing

Let’s compare Apple, Google, and Samsung’s definitions of ‘a photo’

No one’s ready for this

Google’s AI tool helped us add disasters and corpses to our photos

The AI photo editing era is hare, and it’s every person for themselves

This system can sort real pictures from AI fakes — why aren’t platforms using it?

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