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the... I'll say this, he was one

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of the only guys who fought with me before I really

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like blew up. So when I

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was fighting in China and I

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lost to Alex, they

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stopped giving me fights. And I

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had, I think at the time, I was the highest

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paid foreign fighter in China at the time.

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Probably not now anymore. But then they stopped giving me fights.

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And I was like, look, I have seven more fights on

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my contract. Can I at least just

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get three? I just need three because money was running out. You

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know, the money I had saved up. And

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then, yeah, I was down to my

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last one day, like $500. And

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Eugene was holding pads for me. You could see something was up.

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And I just said, bro, I'm about to

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be broke. This and that, right, right, right. He said, don't worry,

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just leave it with me. I get home.

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I think I was on

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the toilet and he just goes, check your bank account. And

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I'm sitting there just like, start

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crying. And I call him. He's like, no, don't thank

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me. Thank Ash, who started Engage. And I

1:17

call Ash. I'm taking a shit and I'm just like,

1:19

thank you. Thank you so much. Like

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honestly, just in tears. Because, you know, I mean,

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I've been there like nothing

1:28

and had everything and nothing again. So

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for me, yeah, he's always been a guy that's been

1:32

in my corner. And me and Alex Volkonosky

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now we, you know, we've helped raise

1:36

the brand. So we own part of the company. So, yeah,

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I like to rep the set. Oh, that's cool. Nice. Nice.

1:42

And I think Engage also was last

1:44

final three when they had the whole

1:47

re-bark fiasco. It was Venom,

1:49

Engage and someone else. I can't remember who

1:51

else. So we didn't get the

1:53

gig, but it would have been nice though. Oh,

1:55

the UFC gig. Yeah. Engage Fight Kids for the

1:57

fighters. But now it's

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Venom. fight kits. Yeah the whole fight

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kit thing is weird. I really

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preferred it when fighters could have sponsors.

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Condom Depot on the back of your

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shorts. I don't like that. I mean

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there's probably some discretion. I did

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like it though and I do like the fact now

2:14

like the last fight I had, Hunter

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hit me up way before any gold

2:19

gloves or anything says Izzy we're gonna do this for

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certain fighters. What design would you like on

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your shorts? And I was like bet. And I hit up

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Curtis who works with Engage does a lot of the designs

2:28

and I taught him what I wanted and

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then he just did some custom stuff and I sent a few

2:33

to Hunter and then boom I got my shorts the lightning and

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I quite like that. I like expression that's one thing

2:38

I do miss about boxing or

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kickboxing is the expression on the

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Moncong, the arm bands, the shorts like

2:45

Jonathan Haggerty like he has cool

2:48

shorts with golden like bows on the side. Yeah.

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I like that it's cool. I do

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too. Yeah I don't like everybody has to wear

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the same shit. I think maybe the UFC at

2:56

the time they wanted to be taken seriously

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in a sense so we had to like

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professional sports but nah I think we're

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all different independent contractors and we have

3:08

different styles so I'm glad now they've

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brought out for certain

3:12

fighters like O'Malley and his pink shorts, Bryce

3:14

Mitchell his camo shorts. Yeah. Let us express

3:16

ourselves. I like that but I wish fighters

3:19

had the ability to advertise. Oh big time

3:21

yeah. That's big sponsors on your shorts is

3:23

a lot of money like Shaw was making

3:25

more money from the sponsors than he was

3:28

from his fight person. Yeah I agree and

3:30

there's a way to bring it back I'm sure

3:33

but even now because they've got some you get

3:35

you get some kickbacks but it's better if you

3:37

can just plaster condom depot and get a hundred

3:39

grand on the back of your shorts. How much

3:41

was condom depot paid people? I don't even know

3:43

but I used to think it was funny and

3:46

the fact was on the back of the shorts

3:48

I'm like that's placement advertising. I just feel like

3:50

you know if they didn't

3:52

like some because it didn't represent the

3:54

sport like condom depot like then

3:56

just fucking you know have a list of ones

3:59

that you agree That's actually a

4:01

good idea like saying approve sponsors. Okay.

4:03

Yeah, so maybe they go through a check

4:05

first, right? You want to maybe advertise on

4:07

the fighter shorts you have to go through

4:09

this rigorous check. What's your company? You

4:12

know, what do you guys sell right right around

4:14

and then yeah plastered on the shorts get some

4:17

money I do like it when boxes

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were cool shorts. Yeah, they wear whatever the fuck

4:21

they want Like I love the one Melvin manhoford

4:23

wear those Yeah,

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yeah, he was a badass. I

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like tassels. Oh, that's me when my shorts I

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always like tassels because we kick yeah

4:31

shimmer the way they look and it just yeah

4:33

mix for cool pics Yeah,

4:35

there's that meaning that's just one of

4:38

the things about the UFC just they

4:40

want everything to be uniform Organized

4:42

but again like now at the for certain

4:44

fighters they're changing it, which is good, but

4:46

hopefully that trickles down I

4:49

don't feel like anybody should be wearing shorts

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in grappling. I feel like the Temptation

4:53

for yeah tights temptation for grabbing is just too

4:55

much. Yeah, and it does happen Yeah, I've seen

4:57

it. It happened to me even with the what's

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his name Brunson in the in the run So

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he grabbed my tights and I was like, yo,

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that's two times you've done it now So

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it is tempting but I think tights would be

5:08

the best way to fight but again

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some guys like have cool shorts

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and if the if that's their style that's their

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style cuz some people I guess maybe They're body

5:17

type. Maybe they got no ass I

5:22

got something back there. But like I don't know

5:24

a guy like I won't drop no names But

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like, you know wearing tights you look like a

5:28

fucking right stick or something. Yeah. Yeah, you look

5:30

a little flat. Yeah Yeah, that's what it is

5:32

though. Yeah, it is what it is. I mean,

5:34

there's a lot of room for expression It's

5:37

it's interesting to watch like all

5:40

the different styles that people promote themselves as

5:42

well You know, like there's so many different

5:44

ways now and then there's guys like Alex

5:46

who you know He doesn't even speak

5:48

English and he's risen to the

5:50

top just based on performance But even the

5:52

fact that he doesn't speak English, that's also

5:54

his super power. Just a Shama, right? What

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do you think about that fight this weekend I can't I just

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now is so big He's just

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got momentum. Look I was the most active

6:51

champion in UFC history. I think

6:53

Lex next to Alex Volkonovski as well He was right up

6:55

there with me or if not more than me I

6:58

think Alex now is on his way to

7:00

being the most active champ in UFC history

7:02

because he's already saved This

7:04

year, I think two or three cards

7:06

alone. He's like step them be like, yeah trauma

7:09

Just does it jump and he fights

7:11

fucked up. He fights injured Apparently,

7:13

he was really fucked up in the first

7:16

year. He Pro Haska fight Oh, you know

7:18

when he stopped Yuri and then he said

7:20

he did like a forward roll off the

7:22

year Yeah, he said he did that because

7:24

he didn't trust standing on his right knee.

7:26

Oh, wow momentum Yeah, his knee was fucked

7:29

up. So he didn't it was fucked up

7:31

in training camp And so when

7:33

he stepped off of him, he just decided to

7:35

roll forward instead of putting weight on his right

7:37

knee That's smart. That's some parkour shit But

7:39

again, it's that's that's what you have to do you

7:42

look when you get in the UFC This is what

7:44

I did as well. He did it the right way

7:46

fight as much as possible Fight

7:48

as much as possible So you can be in

7:50

people's faces so they can see that guy just

7:52

fought that guy just fought Just some fight last

7:54

month and you fight as much as

7:56

you can you get that momentum behind you and

7:59

then you become champion, you're that guy, and

8:01

then again, you just, that momentum constantly, you're

8:03

in people's faces, you're getting posted here, here,

8:05

and that's how you build a stock up.

8:08

So I've done that, and he's doing it the right way as

8:10

well. And I think if he keeps going, I

8:13

hope he retires never getting defeated by

8:15

anyone ever again. Just you. And

8:18

the way you did it too, oh my God, that

8:20

was one of the greatest celebrations of all time. Yeah,

8:23

just look, it's the story behind it,

8:25

no matter what, it's just the history,

8:27

because David even mentioned to me,

8:29

my brother said, you know you're the only one that

8:31

can actually stand with that guy. No one's lasted more

8:33

than two rounds, or even a round with him. And

8:36

I thought about it during the break, and I'm like, yeah, you're right. And

8:39

it's because I knew him. I

8:41

have fought that guy so many times. And

8:44

regardless of what happened, I lost three times,

8:46

and I finally won one. It

8:48

was just the fact that I knew I could beat him. Every

8:50

time I fought him, I was just like, I

8:52

was beating him. I thought you won the

8:55

first one. I felt so too. But then

8:57

that's the Chinese judges. That's the kickboxing fight.

8:59

They gave it to him, and then the

9:02

second fight, M.Brizzo, under the same company, that

9:04

he gets me. But again, I

9:06

was besting him, had him on skates. He

9:08

was fucking... And then he... Bro,

9:11

his spirit. You know what Jiri said

9:13

about the whole juju thing? That's real. That's

9:16

real. So the last time I fought him in

9:18

Miami, look, he beats me. That's why I

9:20

hate when people say, oh, is he scared? He's scared. It's

9:22

like, bro, I ain't scared of shit. The guy beat me

9:24

in the biggest arena

9:26

on the planet, Madison Square Garden, same way as the

9:28

last time he beat me in Brazil in his hometown.

9:30

I was beating his ass, had him hurt in the

9:33

end of the first round. All that shit took him

9:35

down, and then he gets me

9:37

in the last round. It's his spirit, his whatever

9:41

ancestors or his people that are praying for him. Because

9:43

I got prayer warriors as well. My

9:45

mom and dad be fasting, and they

9:47

have people in the spirit praying for

9:49

me. But the way he carries himself,

9:51

something about him just... He

9:53

knows how to recover well. So I

9:55

just knew I could get him. I could get him. And

9:57

then after that, he knocks me out in the biggest arena in the world, and I'm just

9:59

like... Like, let's

10:01

do that shit again, Dana. Because I just

10:04

knew, I was like, I can get him. And then that

10:06

camp, I was so,

10:09

I went to a different place. And that

10:11

was the one I kind of mentioned, I like micro-dosed

10:13

a little bit, or micro-dosed a lot. And

10:17

like, I always say this,

10:19

the shower is the most interesting place on

10:21

the planet, I feel, because you have the

10:23

element of water running over your body, stripped

10:26

naked and your bare essentials. You kind of

10:28

have this, if it's a white shower, like

10:30

a void white space, I can

10:32

create a lot in there. I can make a lot of things happen.

10:35

And yeah, one time after one of

10:37

my showers, I just wrote this thing on my mirror, because

10:39

I just had this premonition, like, this is where I get

10:42

it done. Like, there's no way. You

10:44

could beat me one time, you could beat me two

10:46

times, you might beat me three times. But

10:48

I was like, nah, this guy's not gonna beat me this time. And I just

10:50

knew I had to get this done. And the way

10:52

it happened as well, because

10:55

first round I think I won, and second

10:57

round I was winning, but then that fucking leg

10:59

kick, bro. You know what it is, you look

11:01

at his foot. You

11:03

look at this bit of his foot. It's

11:06

like a hammer. You know, like the

11:09

back of a hammer, a hammer like a ball pit, it is, because

11:11

that's what he kicks you with as well. So

11:13

he doesn't have to, excuse me, he doesn't have

11:16

to turn the hip over. And then

11:18

when he hits you with that, even because

11:20

he's bone density, long legs, and

11:22

he hits you with that, you just feel it like, ooh, that's

11:25

bad. And it's a different feeling, because

11:27

I've been kicked by kickboxes all my

11:29

life, on the thigh, on

11:31

the calf as well. But when he hits

11:34

you with that bit, it's just the surface area

11:36

is so small, but it travels and transfers through

11:38

your whole calf. And you're like, ooh, I can't

11:40

put weight on this. It's so interesting too, how

11:42

he keeps his body completely square, and he doesn't

11:44

even really turn the hips. Yeah, that's it. And

11:47

so it's so sneaky. He doesn't have to, because

11:49

he's got so much bone density, so much whip

11:51

from that little, and

11:53

yeah, it's dangerous. And I think that's gonna be a

11:55

problem this weekend for

11:58

Khalil. But I

12:02

don't know why Chael says he he did you hear about what

12:04

you know? Yeah, Chael said he thinks clear is gonna knock him

12:06

out That's possible But

12:09

I just don't think he's it's possible. But I don't

12:11

think he's gonna get it done Cuz

12:14

all it takes is one from either

12:16

side, but I just think Pereira right now It's just got

12:18

that momentum behind him and the frame Cuz

12:21

he's gonna just avoid the shots Khalil throwing because he

12:23

just got the long frame He'll get out right out

12:25

the way And I don't think Khalil has the reach

12:27

to mess with him like that So you might have

12:30

to get inside but Yeah,

12:32

we'll see. This is why paper can't fight

12:34

paper. They have to get in there and

12:36

fight. Yeah, find out It's very interesting because

12:38

Khalil's so fast and Khalil's had experience with

12:40

high-level kickboxes when he knocked out go konsaki

12:43

That was a big one. Yeah, you

12:45

know, that was a big one and

12:47

that was like early on where everybody's

12:49

like Oh shit go konsak is finally

12:51

in the UFC and then boom Khalil

12:53

just takes him out Yeah, Khalil's fast

12:56

he hits fucking hard and he throws

12:58

like that the thing they did with

13:00

Lionheart He throws that off-speed shit. Sometimes

13:02

he'll give you a little this thing

13:04

and they jolts in on you That

13:06

off-speed uppercut was nasty. It's the looks.

13:08

Yeah here I'm almost Prince Nassim ask

13:10

but different just like looking looking bang,

13:13

but again, he's just violent like when he

13:15

smells blood He just goes in. Yeah, like

13:17

I said, he beats you like you own

13:19

money or something. Yeah, he's on you He's

13:21

on you. Yeah, very violent. But again, I

13:23

think Khalil for him to win this fight he just

13:26

has to believe in himself and that sounds real cheesy,

13:28

but Believe in himself

13:30

also as a southpaw. I didn't think about that.

13:32

Right? I actually forgot about that till David mentioned

13:34

it before But he's a southpaw. So but

13:37

I'm sure Alex and his team know how to deal with

13:39

it, but I understand how Alex deals with southpaws as well

13:41

cuz I Can fight in both ways

13:43

and I know what he when he when you give him

13:45

that front leg and he knows it can get It he

13:47

gets more confident But if you're a southpaw, he

13:50

finds other ways to keep you at bay till

13:52

he can get that leg. Mm-hmm It's

13:54

gonna be interesting to see like right

13:57

away how Khalil deals with the distance

13:59

and how Alex deals with the speed

14:01

because the thing is like Alex can

14:03

be hit You know and Bruno Silva

14:05

tagged him a few times you took

14:07

him out I think the 85

14:10

thing was the I think the drain

14:12

for him to make 85 was insanity I

14:14

think it was insane. He's so can't be so

14:16

he's still can yeah Look,

14:19

it only works until you get knocked out and it's like I

14:21

bet and let's go to 205 and I said

14:24

look all these 185 or should thank me man The

14:27

honestly I tell thank me because he a lot of

14:29

the top guys didn't have to fight him he

14:31

fought Okay, who do you fight? Strickland

14:34

that was one of the only top guys he fought beat

14:36

him and then I think he got a shot at me

14:38

next pretty much But yeah fucking

14:40

Rob triggers all them because it's

14:43

not about just fighting him getting ready to fight him It's

14:46

a different thing, but I had to do

14:48

it fucking four times. So I understand I have a different

14:50

different about getting ready to fight him For

14:53

me getting ready to fight him. You just know you're gonna be

14:55

in for war You know, it's not gonna be easy fight same

14:57

for him. He knows when he has to fight me It's like

14:59

fuck. It's not an easy fight cuz he knows what I can

15:01

do to him. But for me as well I was just like

15:04

fuck. Okay, let's go again. And

15:06

again, it's not like because I feel that way

15:08

with certain people But with him, it's just a

15:10

different feeling I guess cuz he beat me

15:13

That's another thing cuz it and I was I meant I got a

15:15

fucking face this demon again All right, bet let's face my demons and

15:17

I get myself up to fight him, but it's

15:20

it's just getting ready to fight him It's just the

15:22

the hurdle. I think maybe just because of the history.

15:24

That's why for me I felt that way because of

15:26

the history because the fight song who's beating you multiple

15:28

times. It's like And you

15:30

know, you can beat them in your heart You just

15:32

know but again, that's the beauty of the story, right?

15:34

You had come so close a couple of times every

15:36

time and then even in the first fight in the

15:38

UFC So close at the end of that first round

15:41

like you had him if there was 30 seconds left

15:43

in the fight in the round Yeah, ten seconds left

15:45

But again, that's the beauty of the story because then

15:47

he waited till the fifth round or go to the

15:49

fifth run he's just like Did

15:51

his fucking juju whatever thing and

15:53

then fucking he just had this energy and

15:55

he came at me and then my leg

15:57

was compromised from the leg

15:59

because of the perineal nerve or whatever,

16:01

and I couldn't do anything. Yeah,

16:04

but look, I love that story for myself,

16:06

and I'm happy, and people still go, oh, we

16:09

need a third one. I'm like, look, I

16:11

do it again. I fucking knock him out. Or no,

16:13

it's three-two. We go the best out of seven. I'm

16:16

not fighting for anyone else. I only have so much left

16:18

in this game. I'm not gonna spend this game fighting. One

16:21

guy, over and over and over again. I

16:23

don't know how long left, but I just know I'm

16:26

definitely on the other side of my career, so I

16:28

wanna get these fights out the

16:30

way. And now I'm not champ anymore in the UFC,

16:32

so I'm in this situation

16:34

where, what do I do? I

16:37

know I wanna fight, though, because I took 11 months

16:39

off, and I let my body heal

16:41

and all that, and I felt great. So now I

16:43

wanna get back to being active. Not

16:46

as active as I was in the beginning, maybe, but I

16:48

wanna be active, and I still feel great from the

16:50

last camp. Did some testing about

16:52

three weeks ago, find out where we were

16:54

at. I was about where I was before

16:56

this last fight, four weeks out, so I was like,

16:58

okay, cool. We're still good, let's build off that. So

17:01

yeah, I wanna fight again. How much of

17:03

an effect did taking 11 months off have?

17:06

I think it was more good than bad.

17:09

I know some people say ring rust or this and that,

17:11

and I'm like, nah. I

17:13

felt good in there. I felt good in there, and it was

17:17

only when I watched the fight back, I saw a couple

17:19

of mistakes I made, even on the feet, where I was like,

17:21

ooh, don't do that again. Just

17:23

with my feet worked, my exits. Even David said, you had

17:26

sloppy exits. I was like, yeah, my bad. But

17:28

yeah, that, and then

17:31

the moment at the end when

17:33

I slipped, and I just elapsed in judgment when I was

17:35

just letting him know it was me tripping, those

17:38

kind of moments, maybe if I was

17:40

as active, it wouldn't have happened, but

17:42

who knows? We'll never know. But

17:44

I am happy with how I performed. I

17:46

was happy with the shape I came in.

17:48

I came in really good shape, and

17:53

what's his name? Bill, this guy, he did the

17:55

numbers for me. I said, this is the most

17:57

active I've been in any fight by far in

17:59

my UFC career. career, he crunched the

18:01

numbers up and said, my strike

18:03

per minute rate or whatever, all your nerds figure it

18:05

out, you can do your own. But yeah,

18:08

he built smart, he's this guy who helps me

18:10

now with my strength. He did the numbers and said, this

18:12

is the most active you were. So we

18:14

can do some things different, put

18:17

a little bit more gas in the tank, things like

18:19

that, and then just stay active like that. It was

18:21

good. And I had fun in there. I

18:23

had fun just exchanging. Yeah.

18:25

I wanted to ask you about that, the gas in the

18:27

tank thing, because this is a, there's a

18:29

philosophy that Marv Marenovic and Nick

18:32

Kirsan, some of these guys have.

18:34

BJ Panz coaches. Yeah. So

18:36

what they wanted BJ to

18:38

do, and BJ was in his

18:40

prime, essentially the camp was entirely

18:43

based around strength and conditioning. So

18:46

it was all conditioning to give you this

18:48

insane gas tank. Their philosophy is, you

18:50

know how to fight. You've been fighting your whole life.

18:52

You're not going to get better at fighting in six

18:54

weeks, but what you can get is insane cardio

18:57

if you only concentrate on

18:59

that. And they don't, their thought

19:02

process is that is the most important thing. That

19:04

is the thing that fails you the most in

19:06

fights. That's the thing that keeps you from hitting

19:08

the gas, keeps you from doing the things you

19:10

want to do, keeps you from being able to

19:12

scramble out of positions. But

19:15

if you can, instead of all

19:17

this fight specific training, like put

19:19

that aside and just

19:21

give yourself the most fucking insane gas

19:23

tank humanly possible and then fight. And

19:25

then the margins, the things, the times

19:27

when you're going to need it, like

19:30

your skill level is already elite world

19:32

championship skill level. It's not going to

19:34

deteriorate because your cardio gets better in

19:36

six to eight weeks. But

19:38

what you can do is give yourself

19:40

this insane base of cardio. So in

19:42

those moments when you need to hit

19:44

the gas, you can. Yeah. And

19:47

that's what they did for BJ when BJ was at his

19:49

best. Yeah. And I saw BJ

19:51

from watching him, especially live. He

19:53

was training with them UFC 107. I

19:55

think Diego Sanchez, he looked like a

19:58

demon in that fight. Unbelievable

20:00

gas tank and insane confidence shape like

20:02

I was fucking abs all that. Yeah,

20:05

I agree definitely You

20:07

can always sharpen the tools, you know keep it

20:09

sharp. What again for when you're in

20:11

a camp it's just about getting fit and

20:14

yeah, there's some things we can tweak so that way we

20:16

can keep that output because when you get Fatigue

20:19

is when you lose your your

20:21

laps and judgment you could your

20:23

reflexes as well things like that Just start to like

20:26

go down. Were you feeling fatigued in the last round

20:28

with trickers? I didn't I don't think so. There was

20:30

one point in the third round when me and him

20:32

we really put it on and We kind of had

20:34

this like low-key Agreement

20:36

like okay, you're fucked. I'm fucked.

20:39

Let's And

20:43

then I think around four I came out

20:45

like cool bam bam bam and I did that

20:47

sprawl on them But again, he's

20:49

so stubborn because I sprawled on him.

20:51

I literally he shot I sprawled and

20:55

My hips hit the back of his head into the

20:57

mat might have rocked him I don't

20:59

know and then what's today? My god is like

21:01

get up and he's on one knee and and

21:03

then when he was like get up And

21:05

he finally decided to get up slowly and I try to attack him

21:08

He just threw but not to try and hit me.

21:10

He just threw just to stop my momentum

21:13

You know stop me from coming at him. And

21:15

yeah, he's a guy that just strong

21:17

will strong will like Yeah,

21:20

I can respect that Physically strong

21:22

too. Yeah, not as strong as I thought it

21:24

would be probably because I felt strong as well

21:27

Like I packed on some some muscle for that

21:29

fight preparing for those kind of grueling exchanges. Yeah,

21:31

but even just for me myself I just wanted

21:33

to feel strong. So me and

21:35

my boy a be we yeah put on some muscle

21:37

for that fight and then having Matt Actually

21:40

making good food for me for the first time

21:42

ever because I got this fall off just Whatever

21:45

I wanted to eat, you know, we were eats. Yeah, we

21:47

were talking about that when we went to Terry blacks bar

21:50

Today yeah, the worst thing to

21:52

eat right I

21:54

got the coffee now. I'm like, yeah,

21:56

let's go out now. Honestly for me

22:00

having those kind of, because I'm not 23 anymore,

22:02

I'm 24. My body

22:04

doesn't metabolize food and the

22:06

way it used to. So I have

22:10

to think about it like, Israel, be smart, understand

22:14

your body's getting older. I

22:16

don't feel old though, that's the thing. When

22:19

I was young, I thought, 34, I'm done

22:21

with this game. Then I'm like, I'm old.

22:24

But that was when I was 24. But now that

22:26

I'm here, I'm like, I

22:29

can still squeeze a lot out of this. Can still squeeze

22:31

a lot out of this. So we are, and the whole

22:33

thing. Have you ever used a hyperbaric chamber? Nah,

22:36

not yet. I don't know if

22:38

we have that in Auckland. Probably do. I did a

22:40

whole series, when I first moved to Austin, I did

22:42

the whole series, because there's this protocol. I

22:45

think it was an Israeli study that they

22:47

did, where they showed that it lengthens telomeres.

22:49

You do like 60 sessions over 90 days.

22:53

And you know what, they measure your

22:55

biological age by the length of your

22:58

telomeres. It puts 20 years on you.

23:00

Like it decreases your age of your

23:02

telomeres by 20 years. Is telomeres like

23:04

a DNA strand or something? Well,

23:07

it's, yeah, I don't wanna fuck this

23:09

up. So what exactly are telomeres? Lame

23:11

in terms. The way you measure someone's

23:14

biological age is the length of the

23:16

telomeres. And through things like NMN.

23:19

Oh yeah, that thing, yeah. I got it

23:21

right, yeah. There it is. Telomeres are protein

23:24

and DNA structures at the ends of the

23:26

chromosomes that perform several important functions, including protecting

23:28

DNA, promote preserving

23:30

chromosomal integrity. Telomeres

23:33

help maintain the structure and integrity of

23:35

DNA during replication. It's the bit at

23:37

the ends, right? Mm-hmm. And

23:39

as you get older, they get shorter. Smaller, yeah.

23:41

And they get weaker. And you know, so that's

23:43

where. I don't even know how I know this.

23:45

I think it's just a real, I saw somewhere.

23:47

NAD shot, when people get NAD infusions, that helps

23:49

that as well. I've been seeing that lately. Yeah.

23:51

Like Bieber, the Kardashians getting them. I

23:54

get those. Yeah? With

23:56

Briggs? You can definitely do it

23:58

with Brigham. I use another.

24:00

company but there's a lot of companies that

24:02

do it. Okay. Is it you side approved

24:04

or is it one of them? Yes. Yeah,

24:06

it's you side approved. Oh well, I'll see

24:08

you later on Briggs. Yeah, but the thing

24:11

that does it just as well maybe even

24:13

better is hyperbaric chambers and so hyperbaric chambers

24:15

you elevate it up to two,

24:18

it's like two atmospheres

24:20

so twice our atmosphere and then you have oxygen

24:22

you wear an oxygen mask and you sit in

24:25

it for an hour and a half and dude

24:27

you come out of that and you just like

24:29

whoa like what the fuck is going on like

24:31

everything just every day for six I've been doing

24:33

it a lot lately okay because I got one

24:36

at the house so I've been doing it quite

24:38

a bit but it's just

24:40

a completely different way of recovering

24:42

I know I found out about

24:45

it for recovery when Uriah Faber

24:47

fought Jose Aldo. The leg. Yes,

24:49

his leg was fucking brutalized. I

24:51

remember. I saw Uriah was

24:53

always ahead of the game and he was using

24:56

hyperbaric chambers to help him recover and so

24:58

then I started looking into it and then

25:00

I found out about this Israeli study and

25:02

then I started seeing all the different ways

25:04

that hyperbaric chambers can increase your

25:06

recovery and you know TJ Dilshaw

25:08

did a lot of that as well I

25:11

think but it makes a big impact they

25:13

always do it like when you go down

25:15

to CPI in Mexico when they do stem

25:17

cells they give people hyperbaric chamber treatments as

25:19

well. Okay, I have to look into

25:21

that so if I wanted to do it I'd

25:23

maybe do a sale like twice a week or

25:25

something. Yeah, something like that. How long

25:27

does the effect last for? That's

25:30

a good question. Yeah, I mean it probably

25:32

depends on the individual but it just makes

25:34

anytime I have something wrong with me I get in

25:37

there I just feel just better. I bet you someone

25:39

knows if they have one in Auckland now they'll definitely

25:41

hit me up and be like, I bet they do.

25:44

Yeah, I'd like to try that. Yeah, I bet Auckland

25:46

has it. It's time consuming you know the whole experience

25:48

is two hours because it has to get up to

25:50

pressure then it has to decompress and you're in there

25:52

for 90 minutes so it's like

25:55

15 minutes getting up to pressure and then 15

25:57

minutes of decompressing at the very end. But

26:00

that's a great way to recover as

26:02

well. And I feel

26:04

like every, especially as you get older, every

26:07

edge you can get, sauna, cold plunge, hyperbaric,

26:09

everything, every edge you can get. Red light

26:11

therapy, all that. That's where I'm at now,

26:13

that's where I was this last camp. And

26:15

I feel like even the one before that,

26:18

and the one before that, I just remember

26:20

thinking like, how can I, it was actually

26:22

Eugene, he said, how can you make this

26:24

camp better? And I'll always find something

26:26

to do to make this camp better, the next one.

26:28

So that's like the last three camps. So

26:31

this one, I took it with the whole having

26:33

breakfast, having a chef help me actually. That was crazy

26:35

that you used to train with no breakfast. That's

26:37

so crazy. So that was my way, I guess. Then

26:39

I found out about intermittent fasting, and I realized,

26:41

oh, I've been doing that shit for years. I

26:44

was just doing it by, I guess, laziness or

26:46

accident. But it actually helps

26:48

though. Like wake up,

26:50

have two eggs, or

26:52

maybe he'll make sometimes like something with chia seed,

26:54

but normally eggs and a bacon

26:57

piece or something. She needs something.

26:59

Yeah, something, just to get the fuel, yeah. And

27:01

even Jordy from Fight Diatician, he

27:04

told me, yeah, you should definitely be having breakfast.

27:06

Cause he thought like you're crazy training the way

27:08

you do train. And some of my morning sessions

27:10

as well be grueling. And then I'll

27:13

go have breakfast. But I enjoyed it

27:15

that way cause I felt like more, one

27:17

thing is when I fight, fight day, my body doesn't want

27:19

to eat. He'll make me like

27:21

a nice plate of something delicious.

27:23

And my body's just like, nah,

27:26

every, so fight day I still try and

27:28

eat something, maybe at least an egg.

27:31

Cause you'll have pancakes, eggs, whatever, bacon, an egg and a

27:33

little bit of bacon. But my body just doesn't want to

27:35

eat cause it's just- But if you think you force yourself

27:37

to eat, that would be a good thing? Nah. No? So

27:40

I just, yeah, I think DC said the same thing as

27:42

well. One time he said he likes to fight hungry, so

27:44

that way he gets that edge. And I

27:46

feel that way when it's fight day. But when it comes

27:48

to training now, I definitely like to

27:50

have breakfast. I like the way it feels. I

27:52

can, like now I've done it for a few

27:54

months. I understand the benefits of

27:56

a healthy breakfast before you have a grueling

27:58

training session. Yeah, it just gives you- More

28:01

gas yeah aljo said that when he fought

28:03

pure yawn that he didn't eat first or

28:05

second one first Okay, and he said he

28:07

felt like shit. Well the deal fight. Yeah

28:09

Oh, you know I think the

28:11

time of the fight got pushed back I

28:13

forget exactly what the reasoning was or just

28:15

forgot to eat or just wasn't feeling it

28:18

because the anxiety fighting for the title You

28:20

know the whole deal and

28:22

he just felt it in the fight It

28:24

just was where and especially with a guy

28:26

like aljo who cuts so much weight Yeah,

28:28

you know aljo is so he was so big

28:30

for 35. Yeah, I remember running into him He was like 176

28:32

pounds like what the fuck. How are you gonna make 135? He's

28:34

so big. He looks good at 145 Yeah,

28:40

yes, I was bummed out that that

28:42

most bar evil. Oh a fight. Yeah,

28:44

well out because let me this weekend

28:46

Yeah, that's a very I thought aljo

28:48

is strong in 145. What did that

28:51

fight fall out? What happened aljo got

28:53

injured? Yeah, he got injured

28:55

and he thought he'd be able to work through

28:57

it But couldn't and there's you

28:59

know, there's a point of diminishing returns with these

29:01

weight cutting dudes Mmm, and I

29:03

think you know, there'll be something like they've got

29:05

the whole thing at one with the hydration claws

29:08

Mm-hmm is no matter what people was gonna try

29:10

and find a way Yeah It was gonna try

29:12

to find a way to sneak past the hydration

29:14

test or something that they could use to pass

29:16

it But I don't know how that works.

29:18

I don't know how they test for it It's never happened to me but

29:21

weight cutting even when I started fighting people used

29:23

to tell me going out to What

29:26

you 170 for you guys? Oh my god. I don't

29:28

know how the fuck can you make 170 back

29:30

when I was skinny before? Like I got really

29:32

brawler. I was maybe I could make maybe 80

29:34

kgs. That's close to 170 because 170 77 kgs

29:38

but Louis I ever go to was 80

29:41

as a as a kickbox and that was it Yeah

29:43

170 I die. I wouldn't even because

29:45

I've seen some of these weight cuts

29:47

with guys Like I'm girls. Oh,

29:49

bro. I went homes. I would make one

29:52

seven sidewalk. Oh, yeah You see her when

29:54

she was in the bat in a tub

29:56

crying. Yeah And only

29:58

Vera when they go and they Huddle around

30:00

them. It's where you where you can't

30:02

wait though. I'll say this thing for me when I can't

30:04

wait It's a

30:06

spiritual experience sometimes. It's a

30:09

weird experience because I've not just me I've seen

30:11

fighters who have Not

30:14

get delirious, but start saying things that you wouldn't

30:16

do wouldn't normally say not even in a bad

30:18

way But just the way they talk cuz you're

30:20

close to death. Yeah You

30:22

see the light yeah Really

30:24

are close to death. Yeah, I mean it

30:26

sounds ridiculous to say that and for someone

30:28

who doesn't understand what fighters Are going through

30:30

you go are you being hyperbolic, but not

30:33

really? Not really you really are

30:35

close to death if you keep going for a few more

30:37

hours. You'll die Yeah, especially that I mean I like I've

30:39

seen my way cuts are normally Pretty

30:42

tame not as bad because I think I'm perfect

30:45

for 185 But the

30:47

ones that I've seen guys lose a lot of weight

30:49

the day off and I see them how they are

30:52

And even when they go to the skill you see their face just

30:55

yeah, you never look too. Just destroyed I

30:57

always come underweight as well. I was what

30:59

do you normally wait like the week of

31:01

a fight week of a fight? if

31:04

I get to the fight location

31:06

say If

31:09

the wind then way me if I'm say Well,

31:14

that's 200. Yeah, that's easy. I'm not

31:16

cool. That's normally what I'm at. That's just a

31:18

few hard sauna sessions Yeah, but even not just

31:20

the water loading and then it's like my body

31:22

knows it's weird how my body does a day

31:25

My body is just like it

31:27

just knows okay. We're getting on the plane. You've done

31:29

it before it just knows Yeah muscle memory and I

31:31

get to the fight location. My body is like cool.

31:33

We're doing this and then the weight just starts to

31:35

go Did

31:38

you notice a difference when they didn't allow IVs

31:40

versus when they did allow I've never used it

31:42

you never used it I never use IVs. That's

31:44

the thing So so you never cut weight enough

31:47

where you were so depleted that you needed to

31:49

get those bags in you fuck out I like

31:51

to They

31:53

say that's the best way to rehydrate the

31:55

brain. Yeah, because it takes how many hours

31:58

if you do orally takes It's a long

32:00

time. Yeah, it's a different brain. And the

32:02

way it affects your chin. You're trying to

32:04

protect as you're fucking mugging, slushing around in

32:06

your brain. Yeah, because what

32:08

is the cerebral fluid? It's made of,

32:10

well I'm guessing a

32:12

lot of water, right? There's a lot of

32:14

water in there. Yeah, and the rehydration of

32:17

the brain apparently is the slowest, because the

32:19

blood brain barrier. That's the slowest, your

32:21

body's, your muscles rehydrate fairly

32:23

quickly. But still, it just

32:25

never makes sense to me that a person

32:28

is literally on the verge

32:30

of death 24 hours before a cage

32:32

fight. Let's go battle to the death. And then you

32:34

get head kicked in the fucking chin. Yeah.

32:38

I mean, look, I do love this game. And I

32:40

think weight cuts is always going to be a part

32:42

of it right now. But who

32:44

knows? Because even now we have height

32:46

differentials. Are we going to start discriminating

32:48

against that? OK, we only have height

32:50

classes. Is that the next? No,

32:52

that doesn't make any sense. Because you've got guys like

32:54

DC that, even though he was not even barely six

32:57

feet tall, he was a heavyweight champion, but he was

32:59

a tank. And he's the wrestling skills.

33:02

I think that the way to do

33:04

it really is to have more weight classes. I

33:06

think when you have the big gaps, like 85

33:08

to 205 is 20 pounds. That's

33:11

crazy. That's such a big ass gap. And

33:14

then 205, if you want to start fighting heavyweight,

33:17

and then you're dealing with guys like Francis, who's a

33:19

natural 265, that's such a gap. Does

33:23

your have the ones in between, OK, the ticket? 10

33:26

pounds. 165, 170, 175, 180, like that. They

33:31

could do that, but I think that's maybe a little too much. I

33:33

think 10 pounds. 10

33:35

pounds is reasonable. All the way up and forth.

33:38

25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 55, 85, 95, 205, and then maybe 225, and

33:45

then heavyweight. You have more chance. The

33:47

whole thing of 265 being a limit

33:49

for heavyweight, to me, is crazy too. Because there's bigger boys out

33:51

there. Wack Hunt used to cut down to

33:53

265. Yeah, crazy. Even

33:56

Francis did as well. Yeah, if

33:58

they did, I mean, they can just. I

34:00

think they talked about doing it. They

34:03

talked about doing it recently. Oh, maybe last year

34:05

I think they talked about adding more weight

34:07

classes, but then I never heard

34:09

anything I know California was flirting with it. Okay,

34:11

maybe that's what I saw. They should have it

34:13

everywhere There's too many too many gaps. They're too

34:15

wide like there's too many tweeners Yeah, you know

34:17

too many guys that are too small to fight

34:20

at 170, but they really can't

34:22

make 55 healthy Mmm, at least

34:24

I took this shit out Yeah, they

34:26

took finally Yeah, finally well who put

34:28

look I always thought that that's like

34:31

a group chat like decision just

34:33

say yo This is a dumb rule. Let's

34:35

take it out boom, but why does it take so long? Is

34:37

it because the Commission all over

34:39

the United States or whatever have to

34:41

get together or something? I don't know.

34:44

I don't understand how to take that

34:46

seems like a common-sense rule and especially

34:48

anybody who understands the power of elbows

34:51

Like this is not the most powerful elbow

34:53

No, it's just not and so to deny

34:55

that and to say that somehow or another

34:57

that can't be blocked. Well, that's crazy Yeah,

34:59

you could do that just as easy as

35:01

you can do that. You can block that

35:03

elbow facts Yeah, it doesn't none of it

35:05

makes any sense. There's a bunch of things

35:07

that are unrealistic in my opinion One of

35:10

them is not being able to

35:12

up kick from a downward position when a guy's on

35:14

top of you So of a guy's

35:16

on top of you and you're on your back Yeah,

35:18

and the guy has a knee down you can't up

35:20

kick that's silly Yeah, what do

35:22

you mean? That's silly that don't make any sense I

35:24

think you should be able to up kick when you

35:26

are flat on your back and he's on his knees

35:28

Yeah, you should because that's a real technique if you

35:31

have rubber guard like a flexible hips or whatever You

35:33

can just bring your leg and boom. Yeah, Anderson did

35:35

that to someone who do you do that to? Was

35:39

it no what's his name you should know calm me I

35:41

think You should know calm me.

35:44

Yeah, you got disqualified and not in the UFC. Oh Rumble

35:47

in the wrong or the yellow cage. Yes or

35:49

that that was a good knockout Right

35:54

Yeah, that technique like if you are

35:56

in a guy's guard and that guy

35:58

can elbow you in the face Punch

36:00

you in the face. Why can't he kick you in the face?

36:03

He should be able to lean back and up

36:05

kick you and it would make the guard way

36:07

more effective dangerous It's also more real here. It

36:09

is this one. Yeah, boom. Oh, she's a knock

36:12

out. It's a beautiful knockout That should be 100%

36:15

legal look at the hip dexterity. Yeah, look at it

36:17

like the way it just brought that

36:19

back Yeah, like an

36:22

axe kick from the outside. I think yeah, you

36:24

know what you're right. That's 100% a good technique

36:27

It should be legal and you should be

36:30

avoiding that if you're on top Yeah top

36:32

is an advantageous position anything the guy that

36:34

can do on bottom that is real for

36:36

like a real fight should be allowed Yeah,

36:38

it's not like you're cemented in this position

36:41

Like the idea of like not allowing soccer

36:43

kicks to a downed opponent what

36:45

I think about that is the cage I

36:47

think if you're pressed up against a cage that someone can

36:49

stomp you or soccer kick you there's no way

36:51

to move Yeah, sure But if you're in an

36:53

open space and there's a place to move all

36:55

those things should be legal because all those things

36:58

Are real techniques facts? But especially if a guy's

37:00

on top of you for guys on top of

37:02

you on his knees in your guard and you

37:04

can get a leg Back and stomp him in

37:06

the face. That's good. Yeah, that's a real technique.

37:08

That should be 100% legal The

37:11

one I like soccer kicks is just it

37:13

just looks cool But again, if you have some

37:15

pin against the cage and then even mean them

37:18

and was it one they go Okay.

37:20

Yes. Yeah, they allow it. Yeah, I don't even know

37:23

what the What the

37:25

discretion of the referee is to I think

37:27

it's if they're pinned against the cage that

37:29

he doesn't allow it exactly Okay, which makes

37:31

open space right open space soccer kicks go

37:34

Did you ever see the one where Roger

37:36

Huerta fought in one and got the one

37:38

of the worst soccer kick KOs ever? Maybe

37:40

bought some big Brazilian cat and this dude

37:42

soccer kicked him and it was like, oh

37:45

my god, like in the open space Yeah.

37:47

Oh, yeah, he had him rocked already. Yeah,

37:49

he's down like this and this dude just

37:53

The the look of it for I

37:56

guess the people who aren't really hardcore fans if

37:58

they see that they're like, oh And then it goes

38:00

back to human cock fighting. Okay,

38:02

but if that's true, how about Arani Aldana,

38:05

when she fought at the sphere, her whole

38:07

face is cut open. Oh, that was crazy.

38:09

Insane, they didn't stop the fight. And

38:11

it poor- Tough though. So tough. Yeah.

38:14

So here's the Roger Werther one. So

38:17

Roger's hurt, and Roger shouldn't have been fighting

38:19

at 170 anyway, and watch this. Oh

38:21

no. Boom. Oh yeah.

38:23

I mean, that one- I have seen this,

38:25

yep. Bro, that one can fucking kill you.

38:28

That one can kill you. I mean, that dude had

38:30

everything in that kick. He even held it for a

38:32

little bit, like, let him line it up. Just really

38:34

line it up. Full fucking goal. Ooh, that's

38:36

a rough one. That is bad, that is

38:38

bad. That's a rough one. But that's

38:41

a real technique. Legal. Yeah,

38:43

I mean it's- You can do it in real

38:45

life. Yes, that's the point. It's the sport of

38:47

fighting. And if it's a sport of fighting, and

38:49

you can't up kick a guy when you're in

38:51

your guard, because his knees on the ground, that's

38:53

ridiculous. Even the one, you've actually, was it maybe

38:55

you at the sphere, you mentioned it with the

38:57

Marab fight. They stood them up somewhere at the

38:59

end. And I was thinking like, yeah,

39:02

why they stand them up? Made no sense. Yeah, you

39:04

know, it was at the end. I think so, yeah.

39:07

I think Herb was alluding to they

39:10

want more action. I

39:14

don't know if he's getting pressure from someone

39:16

to have more action, but one

39:18

of the things that Herb said was, if

39:20

someone wants it, I

39:22

think he was alluding to some specific officials

39:24

and executives, whoever. He's like, if they want

39:26

it to look different, I wish they would

39:28

tell me, because like this is- Oh,

39:31

is Herb saying this to you? Oh, really? No,

39:33

no, no, not to me. He said it in

39:35

an interview when he was being criticized for trying

39:37

to get people to work and trying to stand

39:40

people up. So let me get this straight. He's

39:42

saying maybe some officials or someone would be alluding.

39:44

He's alluding to the fact that they wanted to

39:46

look a specific way. Ah, I

39:48

think I pick up what you're putting down. You

39:50

see if you can find his statement on it,

39:53

because it was interesting the way he phrased it.

39:55

The way he phrased it- Is that cryptic? Yes.

39:58

Okay. You know- put

40:00

someone under the bus, but he's

40:02

saying, like, look, maybe someone's saying to him

40:04

that. Exactly. And I think they are, because

40:06

he's always like, let's work, let's work. Sometimes

40:08

when it doesn't even make any sense, like

40:10

they're working. I remember when I was like,

40:13

yeah, he's on top. He just got him

40:15

down. He's actually trying to beat him up.

40:18

Sean was defending well, but still

40:20

saying, ah, true. That'd be interesting, though.

40:22

That would, that's,

40:24

when I say interesting, that's like,

40:27

shady. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's shady.

40:30

But it's what we were talking about at

40:32

lunch today, too, is that there's certain fighters

40:34

they want to win, because those fighters are

40:36

more exciting. Yeah. And I'm a

40:39

purist. I feel like there should be no

40:41

standups. Unless there's a violation,

40:43

unless someone does something illegal, there should be no

40:45

standups. I think if a guy can take you

40:47

down, like Marabh does, and just beat you up,

40:50

and you can't do shit, and even if the audience

40:52

is booing, that's the fight. Oh, shit, yeah. Sean wants

40:54

to get up. He's got to get up. I don't

40:56

think it should be, you can just hold him on

40:58

your full guard, and the referee just stands you up.

41:01

Because that's such an advantage for the striker. Yeah, big

41:03

time. To be standing up again. And you already have

41:05

an advantage of every round start standing up. Yeah. And

41:08

then you work so hard to get something to the ground, and

41:10

they go, OK, stand up. Yeah. I'm trying to think, have I

41:12

ever been in the position that they made me stand up? No,

41:15

not on top. But even

41:17

on the bottom, I always get up. I find

41:19

a way. That's the ego thing, because again, look,

41:22

I had to kill that to really be great

41:24

at this game. Because I knew for a fact,

41:28

I couldn't beat some nerds in

41:30

pajamas. So that was for me

41:32

my, OK, humble yourself

41:34

and learn how to grapple. And

41:37

then I sucked that first, and I got better. I

41:39

never have shown too much of my grappling skills,

41:41

because they never really put me in a position

41:43

to show as much as I need to. So

41:45

for me, I just like, cool. I'll just fucking

41:47

do a Derek Lewis, stand up, get

41:49

up, and just beat him up as much as I can. But

41:52

yeah, fuck. That is suspect.

41:54

If someone is, I actually

41:56

want to watch that. I'll watch it later on, Jamie.

41:58

Let's see what the statement is. you find it? So

42:01

far, I've only found that like Luke Thomas made a video and

42:03

he said Herb called him after he made the video. Interesting.

42:06

Luke Thomas. Who's that again? Luke

42:08

Thomas, the journalist. Okay. MMA

42:10

journalist. He spoke for a third. I'm reading

42:13

the closed captioning because I can't listen to

42:15

it. He said those instances. I'll

42:17

just play this. I guess this might be it. I don't

42:19

know if you saw her. Oh, Luke. Oh, my bad. Of

42:21

Herb. Ultimately, his appearance, but not

42:23

limited to those instances where he had

42:25

called for more work from Rob. What

42:28

I cannot do today is speak on

42:30

behalf of her. Ultimately, his opinions

42:33

and beliefs are his own and they are

42:35

his to tell whenever he elects to do

42:37

so. What I can do is

42:39

speak on behalf of my views. That's

42:43

not it. There was there was an

42:45

article where they had interviewed him. And

42:47

a statement from him. Yes. There's a

42:49

statement from Herb himself and he was

42:51

saying, if someone wants the fights to

42:53

look different, I wish they would tell

42:55

me. Damn. That suspect. Yes. That's a

42:58

that's a way that the way again, that's cryptic.

43:01

Cryptic. Yeah. That means they're they're they're telling you

43:03

I want more action. Okay, here it goes. I've

43:05

seen on social media. People have spoken about me

43:07

call calling the fighters for

43:09

more action. That's what

43:11

I've always done. I can tell you what I

43:14

tell fighters during the rules briefing. I tell

43:16

them anytime I'm going to interfere or

43:18

any intervention, I'm going to talk to you first.

43:20

Like if I'm going to stand you up, what

43:23

I'm going to say first is I'm going to

43:25

say let's work. I usually clap at what I'm

43:27

expecting from him is not

43:29

busy. If what I'm and what I'm expecting

43:31

from him is not busy work, I specify

43:34

I'm looking for effort to finish the fight.

43:36

So either you posture to where you could

43:38

set up fight any attacks or advance your

43:40

position effort to advance because it's not as

43:42

easy as just passing the guard. But effort

43:45

to pass effort to advance your position effort

43:47

to bring the fight to finish that rule

43:49

was put in place standing fighters up to

43:51

make our sport look the way we want

43:53

it to look. But he said

43:55

something else. It was more

43:58

if he goes as a referee. blah

44:00

blah blah blah. But

44:02

I mean, if that's what he said, I trust your

44:04

recollection of it. But

44:06

if that's what he said, that's still very suspect. And

44:08

that, you don't want to get this game. This is

44:10

one thing about the UFC is as real as it

44:12

gets, or MMA itself. This is what

44:14

it is. But if you have that happening,

44:17

then that's starting to seem

44:19

a little bit like, not

44:21

to take away, like it's the WWE or

44:23

anything. It's not that, but you are influencing

44:25

the course of a fight where a guy

44:28

has control. And we're a fighter.

44:30

And the referee is the guy officiating the fight.

44:32

So if he's getting word from someone, the

44:35

way he said that, someone, that's, yeah. I

44:37

think he was saying, if someone wants me to, if

44:40

they want the fight to look different, I wish they

44:42

would tell me. But that's what I'm saying. When he

44:44

says someone, it's like, who is he? Who's that someone?

44:46

I don't think the referee's job is to instruct a

44:48

fighter to do anything other than follow the

44:50

rules. And if you can hold a guy

44:52

down, I feel, I'm the worst with this.

44:54

Cause I think you should start in the

44:56

same position you ended the last round. Cause

45:00

I think it's one fight. I think it's one

45:02

fight. It's not five fights. So if an advantage

45:04

for the striker is always standing up. So if

45:06

a guy gets you down and has your back

45:08

and the round ends, I think he

45:10

should have the exact same position in the

45:12

exact same place on the octagon floor when

45:14

the next round starts. Cause he earned that

45:17

position and you didn't earn the standup. So

45:19

if you're standing up, standing up

45:22

for a guy like you is a giant advantage. Yeah,

45:24

I'm like, I'm biased. I'm gonna be like, ah, fuck

45:26

that. That's the- Yeah, of course. So the audience would

45:28

be, the audience would be like, shut the fuck up

45:30

bro. You fucking pussy rules, shoot. It

45:32

does make sense when it comes to pure fighting.

45:35

Cause even, the

45:37

pride had 10 minute rounds, the first round.

45:39

You know, that's cool. I'm saying, look, some

45:42

things, like I'm glad

45:44

this, they've taken out the way, but again, bring

45:47

back tournaments just for one night. Let's

45:49

see who's a real bad ass. Yeah,

45:51

that would be crazy. I've done a kickboxing. I've

45:53

never done it in MMA. I've done an unboxing.

45:56

Well, I might bring back a tournament. So like, let's see who's

45:58

really about this. Cause we have to- fight,

46:00

get the adrenaline dump, and you

46:02

go back and sit down, sit down for ages and

46:04

then eventually have to warm up again. I remember that

46:06

I've done it a few times. I've won a few

46:08

of them. It shows

46:12

this. Yeah. Like this. You know what

46:14

I mean? Well, it's also built-in drama over the

46:16

evening where people watch a guy fight once and

46:18

now he's going to fight a second time. And

46:21

that was always wild about the early

46:23

days of the UFC, watching those tournaments.

46:25

And pride as well. Did that

46:27

a lot. But yeah, that'd be fun. I think it'd

46:29

be for like, oh, they did it once

46:31

though. Glory did it. Remember

46:33

Last Man Standing? That was crazy. They

46:36

fought three times that night. The UFC

46:38

did it once with the flyweight, the

46:40

inaugural flyweight title. And I think it

46:42

was Mighty Mouse and Ian McCall in

46:45

the final. No,

46:47

I got it wrong. They fucked up the decision because

46:50

it was meant to be a draw and they'd have

46:52

one more round in Sydney, I think. Yeah.

46:55

And then they were meant to. But then

46:57

they gave, they fucked up the decision. But

46:59

that would be crazy though. They go, okay,

47:01

cool. The judges have it this,

47:03

that. It's a draw. We're going to one more

47:05

round after a crazy fight like that. That would

47:07

have had the whole place just cool. Well, that's

47:09

what Glory does. Yeah. One more round. And you

47:12

see look in the guy's face like, oh, shit.

47:14

Yeah. I've had that too. But

47:16

that's where this comes in. Yeah. Yeah.

47:18

You have to just like, cool. Let's go. Get back

47:20

in the corner. That's, is

47:23

that one of the most difficult things to like

47:25

change your mindset in mid-fight. Like if something throws

47:27

you off. Mid-fight. Ooh. Do

47:29

you remember what I'm bringing up specifically

47:31

is you remember Tim Kennedy and Yoel

47:33

Romero? Oh, when, get up,

47:36

get up. Yes. Yeah. So Tim Kennedy

47:39

had Yoel Romero fucked up. Fucked up. And

47:41

then they put Yoel on the stool. They

47:43

threw ice on the floor. They fucking, he

47:45

kept sitting on the stool and Big John's

47:48

telling him to stand up and he's still

47:50

sitting down and Tim Kennedy's walking around going,

47:52

what the fuck? This fight should be stopped.

47:54

Fight's over. Yeah. The fight should have been

47:56

stopped. But then Yoel got up

47:58

and then he stopped him afterwards. Yeah. but he

48:00

had a good solid 35 seconds

48:03

extra recovery time, which when you're hurt

48:05

is huge. Ice on the floor as

48:07

well. Tim said it fucked with his

48:09

head, and it was his mental weakness

48:11

that he didn't, he thought he was

48:13

angry, they're robbing me, this is bullshit,

48:15

I had him, I should have won,

48:17

the fight should have been, the

48:20

round started, the minute was up, I could have

48:22

got on him and I could have finished him,

48:25

and so in his head he lost

48:27

focus. It does happen, like

48:29

I said, even with me pointing at the ground in

48:31

that moment, any small lapse

48:33

in judgment, you just need 30

48:35

minutes or 25 minutes of focus, so

48:38

in that point, yeah, I can see how that would get

48:40

to him. Yeah, that would get to

48:42

him, because you're like, what the fuck, they're about

48:44

to screw me out of this one. Exactly, and

48:46

they did, and so then he's got a fight

48:48

again while he's going, motherfucker, this shit already been

48:50

over, so instead of concentrating completely on being in

48:52

the present, in the fight, you're thinking I got

48:54

fucked. Anderson versus Bisping, when Anderson 31, was

48:57

on the case celebrating, and then if, I think it

48:59

was her, but whoever, you're like, yo, get down here,

49:01

this and that, right, right, right, right, then you have

49:03

to be like. Which could have been over if Anderson

49:05

just followed up with one or two more shots, that

49:08

would have been it. It's like when you're talking about

49:10

Jalen Turner and Hannato Marcano, he drops him, has him

49:12

fucked up, and then walks away, like it's a chaos.

49:14

I literally went like, because I was front, I

49:17

went to 300, I'm such a fan, I was there from

49:19

the first fight, that's why I like to wear that as

49:21

a badger on, I'm like, yeah, I was there, and I

49:23

watched that, and I was just like, why?

49:26

He had eight more seconds, he could have

49:29

just done something and taken him out. Hannato's

49:31

fucked up too, he was very bad. Yeah,

49:33

but. And Jalen can crack. He's tough. Oh,

49:36

he's so big for 55, so long. I

49:38

think he's also really talented as well, he's

49:40

fast. He's smooth, like

49:43

when he fought Dan, I, you heard that

49:45

shit. Yes. Bro, that kick, when I heard that,

49:47

and Dan grabbed his waist, and

49:49

then Dan had his neck at the end of

49:52

the round as well, I lost my voice. That's

49:54

the one where Dan broke his arm, right? Yeah,

49:56

just a scratch. And he kept fighting. He is

49:58

a savage. Trust me. I love watching. him

50:00

come back into the top five now. I love it.

50:02

I love that he did that. I love it. I

50:04

love who he is as a person because look Dan,

50:06

I see him every

50:09

day most days and he's a

50:11

guy that you don't know what to expect.

50:13

Like out of nowhere, boom, he

50:15

just customized himself for all these

50:17

tattoos. Yeah, crazy. That's badass. Yeah,

50:19

he just covered himself. I think

50:21

he's in Spain because you know

50:23

Oscar Willis, the Mac life reporter,

50:26

he's fighting Berenacle this

50:28

weekend I believe or maybe next weekend in Spain

50:30

but Dan's gonna go there and corner him. I'm

50:33

like fucking Berenacle boxing

50:35

or MMA? No, boxing. That's

50:38

not for me. I can fight, look

50:40

if I have to get into a fight whatever sure but like

50:42

for me, I'd

50:45

rather not. I'll pass on that but that's the kind of

50:48

shit that Dan loves. Dan's like yeah let's do that shit.

50:50

He wants to do that shit. He wants to

50:52

be like yeah he just loves fighting. Masvidal's got

50:55

that whole MMA league where it's all Berenacle MMA

50:57

which I like because it doesn't make sense to

50:59

me that you don't cover your shins or your

51:01

knees or your elbows but you do cover your

51:03

knuckles. I just don't like the knuckles because you

51:05

see again, the mooch knuckles still there. This can

51:07

cause more damage like cuts.

51:10

Yeah, oh yeah, oh

51:12

yeah. Slice is you open. Exactly.

51:15

Guys get sliced up. So if

51:17

I, if gloves I guess they

51:19

protect literally like I don't the new gloves as

51:21

well. I think I've

51:23

only fought once in a new gloves now. I might

51:26

give it a maybe one or two more but

51:29

I'm like the old gloves just they

51:31

didn't really protect the wraps protect your

51:33

hands but the old gloves they

51:35

felt like rubber like tire rubber and

51:38

I think they were just dangerous like

51:41

dangerous to hit with if you hit someone with

51:43

those it's like bang these new gloves they

51:45

feel like a little bit of a memory foam.

51:47

A little softer. Softer and I don't know about

51:49

this whole curve thing they don't really curve I

51:51

can still do that and then I try not

51:53

to do that I'm uh you know whatever but

51:55

still this I

51:58

wait and see. Listen man

52:00

the best gloves for sure are Trevor Whitman's.

52:02

Yeah, the best gloves. He made the best

52:04

gloves They're the best. I've got see if

52:07

you can pull them up the onyx is

52:09

that the onyx one? Yeah, I've got the

52:11

big ones Bob never ever has MMA gloves

52:13

Yeah, they curve so it's curved so your

52:15

hand is in this position So if you

52:17

want to do this you have to open

52:19

them up, but it's still you could do

52:21

that for grappling It's all the same but

52:24

they're in a curved position and I think

52:26

that would avoid so many eye pokes so

52:28

many so many You haven't really been

52:30

I poked too many times Nah,

52:32

only time wasn't training really bad one

52:34

was in training, but not not not

52:36

in a fight. No Avoid

52:39

that as much as I can have another thought on

52:41

that. So what you think of this I feel like

52:43

they should cover the fingers. I thought why that with

52:45

like a mitt Oh, it's going over the top with

52:47

like a round surface like a little back glove mitts.

52:49

Oh Like

52:52

that's Trevor Whitman's. Okay, that's the onyx

52:54

gloves. Those are the best

52:56

gloves Trevor Whitman's a fucking genius man

52:58

He makes incredible gear has he ever

53:01

brought this idea to yeah, they were

53:03

in negotiation, but I think Trevor went

53:05

crazy He wanted like oh no money

53:08

Something according to Dana at least that's

53:10

his version. Okay, it's not a train.

53:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he but

53:16

Regardless of all that he makes the best

53:18

gloves. They're the best MMA gloves of all

53:20

time by Bart Barnum Yeah, I got the

53:22

big ones watch. I'll hit him up. See

53:24

if I can get those ones just to

53:26

try them out It's also the best foam

53:28

like he uses the most high-tech foam some

53:30

most expensive foam Like everything and he

53:32

makes them on by hand like I've

53:34

seen him. Yeah, I've seen him stitch that he's

53:36

passionate about it. But um, yeah

53:38

these new ones I'm so far at

53:40

fighting with them. I still prefer the

53:43

the old ones. You think they're more

53:45

damaging? Yeah Like

53:49

I get it I Don't

53:51

like to get hit so maybe that's why I'm

53:53

biased with it But when I hit song with

53:55

those I feel it causes more damage. Mmm, and

53:57

I mean I can't cause damage. I call some

53:59

damage on DDP with those ones but I still

54:01

want to try them maybe one more time just

54:03

to feel them. They felt different. Yeah,

54:06

it felt different. I can definitely

54:08

tell. Even the raps, when

54:10

I was squeezing my raps into them, I

54:12

was like, okay. Just

54:14

took a while but I still got in but I'm like, alright

54:17

cool, grab. I like to test the grip strength to make sure

54:19

I can hold someone but yeah,

54:22

we'll see. I don't know why the fingers have to

54:25

be exposed because you never do this. There's

54:27

no reason. No reason to

54:29

have the fingers ever in this position. Every

54:31

time you grip, you're gripping like this. Or

54:34

you're gripping like this. Also, it would prevent joint

54:37

manipulation. Small joint manipulation.

54:39

It's almost like a webbing that

54:42

just covers that. Why can't you just have a

54:44

thin piece of leather that goes over the fingers

54:46

and then something that's curved around the top? Like

54:49

you said, like those bag mitts with the thumb

54:51

out. Yes. So even if you

54:53

do get poked in the eye, you're getting poked

54:55

by a large thing instead of a finger. It

54:58

goes all the way into your eye and fingernails.

55:00

Yeah. So the nails would be covered. Even

55:02

if you trim your fucking nails, that's still a hard

55:04

surface that could scratch the shit out of your cornea.

55:07

Then you got toes. I've seen people get kicked

55:09

in the eye even in training and infected the

55:11

eye as well. Oh yeah, man. Yeah, I've seen

55:14

that. Toed nails. But nah, I mean

55:16

that makes sense. I

55:19

think people are scared of change. Even with

55:21

these new gloves, that's why I'm trying to be like, let

55:23

me give it one more shot. I'm not

55:25

going to say I'm against them. I

55:27

just feel, the

55:30

other gloves would just, they had that thing

55:32

on them. Well, Mike Wendell, John,

55:34

he lost an eye. Oh, that's why he

55:36

wears the shades. Exactly. From

55:38

holding pads from somebody. So he was

55:40

holding pads and someone missed and caught his eye with

55:42

their toenail. I do that too, if that happened to

55:44

me. PTSD. Yeah.

55:47

Fuck, man. Just

55:49

the possibility. Just so we know that it happened to one of

55:52

the top trainers in the sport. Yeah. And

55:54

it's not just a freak accident. Right. I

55:56

try and keep my nails like.

56:00

Trim just because I don't want to I've done it

56:02

before by accident on someone and I've caused I think

56:04

I call it Hi, and then they did

56:06

something and then yeah, and I got or not on me on

56:08

them It's happened to me as well, but I felt bad when

56:10

I did it on a person I had this skin in my

56:12

nails and I was like yeah my bad. So

56:14

they gave Yeah, cut your nails,

56:16

but still that's not a bad idea. I would

56:18

fuck with that I feel like it

56:20

wouldn't affect the grappling at all Yeah,

56:23

and it definitely would help I

56:25

pokes which are the biggest problem. I pokes

56:27

are a giant problem So

56:29

many guys have gotten eye surgery now. I mean

56:31

Belal's had three eye surgeries. Yeah, and remember when

56:33

he got put away Yeah,

56:36

that's right. Yeah Fuck. Yeah,

56:38

I can imagine you can make you can change the

56:40

culture. I feel like it should

56:42

be done And I don't think it's bad. I don't

56:44

I don't see any negative to cover in the fingers

56:46

and I see only positives Yeah, and I don't think

56:48

it would do It's just

56:50

real simple piece of leather here. I get you

56:53

the tips Measure the fighters

56:55

hands, you know, some guys are very long fingers

56:57

I'm cuz they're short fingers measure the fighters hands

56:59

build a custom glove. That's not hard to do

57:01

same thing I having glove size. I'm sure someone

57:03

will make it now or someone made that before.

57:06

I don't think so Yeah, I don't know if

57:08

anybody that's made that but that should be the

57:10

way they do it because that would eliminate a

57:12

Enormous number of that's a money-making scheme

57:14

run I have someone decides to make that and then

57:16

put it out there as a prototype You're like look

57:18

this actually works with them and then they go I'm

57:20

patenting that boom I

57:23

have all kinds of crazy ideas. I'm like get

57:25

rid of Fair

57:31

enough because also like I'm not Interested

57:33

in making the fight more exciting. I'm

57:36

making I want I'm interested in what's the

57:38

best what actually works I'm a

57:40

purist. I want to see what was the

57:42

actual effective technique Like there's sometimes like when you

57:44

see in jujitsu tournaments where guys are doing

57:46

something like they're in a 50-50 position Like

57:49

this guy could punch you in the face kick

57:51

you in the face. So easy. This is not

57:53

a good Self-defense position.

57:55

Yeah, and you see it in a leg

57:57

lock stuff guys are accustomed to doing that

58:00

and they're literally face down holding onto

58:02

an ankle and the dude just boom,

58:04

boom. One of my boys, Nate

58:07

Law, he just fought in his,

58:09

I think third pro fight. The

58:12

guy had a leg lock and Nate posted

58:14

this quote from Chillsun on after the fight about

58:17

if a guy is holding onto your leg, just

58:19

posture up and punch him in the face. That's

58:22

what Nate did and won the fight. So yeah,

58:24

I mean, the whole leg lock game, I

58:27

know some stuff with X-Guard and whatnot, but I don't

58:29

really fuck with it too much because I get scared

58:31

because the commitment when I hold onto someone's leg and

58:34

then you just expose, unless I'm like a Craig

58:36

Jones type who I just know. As a wizard.

58:38

Yeah. The thing about leg locks is you have

58:40

so little time to react. If

58:42

you don't tap, if you, there's such

58:45

a brief, especially like an inside heel hook, there's

58:47

such a brief amount of time you have before

58:49

your shit is just blown with smithereens. It's just

58:51

fine, this is fine, this is fine. Pop, pop.

58:53

And it's gone. Rips apart and then you're fucked

58:55

for nine months. Even if I'm rolling with people,

58:59

if I don't trust that person or if I just feel like, oh, just

59:01

go, yeah, cool, tap. Because ego's not worth

59:03

it. I don't try and hold onto shit

59:05

like that. Especially leg locks. Do you have

59:07

a hard time like that, with people trying

59:09

to get a name for themselves, training with

59:11

you? Yeah. Yeah, so that's

59:14

for me, look, it's not even, if

59:17

I go to a new gym, I pick and choose

59:19

who I go with. And it's not like an ego thing because I

59:21

don't want to get my ass whooped. It's just like, I don't know

59:23

you well enough that, and sometimes you

59:25

see people, they salivate, like, oh, it's

59:27

my chance. I got

59:29

my shot now. But now sometimes, and grappling

59:33

with some people in the jujitsu class, they'll

59:36

just, lower belts, they'll be like, I'm

59:38

good, thank you. You know what I don't like?

59:41

When I see a dude sitting out around and

59:43

waiting while you're exhausted, and then they go,

59:45

do you want to go? Like, bitch, I watched you,

59:47

I'll call him out. I watched you just sit down

59:49

for 10 fucking minutes. Oh, you'd get that as well,

59:51

too. Why didn't you just jump in? Why

59:54

weren't you just rolling right now? You want to

59:56

roll fresh? Yeah. Is that what this is?

59:58

Yeah. And you like, call him out

1:00:00

on it, Yeah, I just go now. I'm good.

1:00:02

Thank you, and I'll get someone that I actually

1:00:04

trust cuz yeah, it's not it's just I Know

1:00:08

the feeling as well cuz I'm sure that's all will

1:00:10

tap me or do something I'll just let go and

1:00:13

then it's like that I know when it's real and it's

1:00:15

general like good job, and I know the one when it's

1:00:17

like They

1:00:19

like you I'm gonna yeah Here

1:00:23

we go, but again, that's the thing I talk about ego, and I

1:00:25

had to kill that Before I

1:00:27

started training grappling cuz it was just I

1:00:30

sucked right like nah I get taps one

1:00:32

thing I definitely will get is a submission

1:00:34

in the UFC before I'm done I

1:00:36

will I will choke someone out like a

1:00:38

guillotine or a red naked. I like guillotines,

1:00:41

but I've It's learning

1:00:43

how to find the sweet spot for

1:00:45

me the sweet spot when I get it and when

1:00:48

I get it It's not even

1:00:50

a bulldog choke. I get really good at those Some

1:00:52

I can find the spot and I just cuz

1:00:54

I got the frame for the best person at

1:00:57

our gym Dan hang man That's his shit. He

1:00:59

grabs your neck You're

1:01:01

going like it's like yeah find a way out.

1:01:03

You can't cool tap, but yeah

1:01:05

I like using guillotines though, especially on

1:01:08

on wrestlers cuz yeah, just let them know

1:01:10

okay This is always a threat. This is

1:01:12

always a threat, but again. It's something

1:01:15

I've been working on But eventually before

1:01:17

I retire you'll definitely see me get a submission

1:01:19

well It's interesting because you're a specialist. You know

1:01:21

you're one of those guys So like you didn't

1:01:23

come in with a full MMA experience you didn't

1:01:26

start as an amateur MMA fighter You were a

1:01:28

kickboxer And so you I remember when you and

1:01:30

I first started talking online or I reached out

1:01:32

to you on Instagram Yeah, and you were like

1:01:34

I'm gonna wait a little while. I'm gonna just

1:01:37

do this right Yeah, which is I thought was

1:01:39

very intelligent because you could have just jumped in

1:01:41

like many guys do and then they get UFC

1:01:44

throws you in with a wrestler you get exposed

1:01:46

and now you're so far behind the curve It

1:01:49

takes a long time to build up your confidence

1:01:51

and your momentum again because you got smothered

1:01:53

in your first fight Yeah, that was 2015. I

1:01:56

believe I haven't sent a DM today. I

1:01:58

say just give me one shot just get me

1:02:00

to the cage, I'll do the rest. And look,

1:02:02

I would have, but I'm glad I took

1:02:04

my time. And it was good for

1:02:06

me just to fight different people from Ukraine,

1:02:09

China, Brazil,

1:02:12

all different types of places. And then experience

1:02:15

different styles. And that way I felt confident enough

1:02:17

when I got to the USC. My first fight,

1:02:19

shout out Rob Wilkinson, good

1:02:21

guy, good friend of mine now. And

1:02:23

yeah, he tried to take me down constantly. And

1:02:25

I was able to withstand that because of the

1:02:27

work we did. And Andre, Andre Paulette, my resting

1:02:30

coach, a lot of

1:02:32

drills. Just drills, wall work

1:02:34

constantly. What year

1:02:36

did you start that? What year did you start

1:02:38

grappling training? I started in 2010, but I was

1:02:40

meant to go into MMA straight away. But there

1:02:43

was just so many kickboxing fights. And I kept

1:02:45

on getting kickboxing fights that I was just too.

1:02:49

Also, I like fighting kickboxing. So I was just like, I'll just

1:02:51

take this fight, take this fight. But I was always grappling on

1:02:53

the side, like low-key grappling on the

1:02:55

side. And eventually, I

1:02:57

think, I can't

1:02:59

remember what year my first year of MMA fight was.

1:03:03

Would have been 2014 maybe, or 13. And

1:03:07

then I started taking it more seriously. I'm

1:03:09

a purple belt now, but I'm like, I'm

1:03:11

a purple belt. I know I'm dangerous, but it's

1:03:13

like, eh, I'm not like, there's levels. There's levels

1:03:16

to belts. There's some purple belts, blue belts who

1:03:18

can kick my ass. But

1:03:20

yeah, I do enjoy it though. I

1:03:22

love grappling. I feel like

1:03:25

a ninja cat when I'm grappling, and I'm on that

1:03:27

flow state. I just feel like I just, it's fun

1:03:29

to play with. But then again, I've

1:03:32

only ever shown cases of brief, like

1:03:35

again, who's one, not just the Paraire

1:03:37

Fight, Madison Square Garden, Gastelum.

1:03:39

I had a triangle on them. Tavares,

1:03:42

I had a guillotine at the end of the round,

1:03:44

some other ones with the Kimura traps. But

1:03:46

yeah, just no one's really put me

1:03:48

in that position to make me have to really

1:03:51

use my offensive grappling. But again, when I get

1:03:53

taken to the ground, fuck, I'm just

1:03:55

gonna stand up. If kickboxing was

1:03:57

as big as MMA, do you think you've ever

1:03:59

done MMA? That's

1:04:01

a good question. Fuck.

1:04:05

Okay, money-wise, probably

1:04:08

ego. Because I just knew a

1:04:10

fucking nerd in pajamas could kick

1:04:12

my ass. I just, I can't

1:04:14

have that. Honestly, it's

1:04:16

just, I just know like some dude

1:04:19

can beat me and he doesn't

1:04:21

have to even throw a punch. In

1:04:23

the back of my mind, it's still, that's why sometimes

1:04:26

when all these, you know, boxes, you know, like, like

1:04:28

back in the day when

1:04:30

it was USC versus boxing or whatever, I was

1:04:32

like, well, this is

1:04:34

real fighting. Like, do you want to see what the

1:04:36

baddest person on the planet is? Fight.

1:04:40

No one's telling you you can't use your weapons, but

1:04:42

you want to take away all my weapons. And that's

1:04:44

why I don't think I'll ever box again, because I

1:04:46

just think it's too limiting. Even kickboxing,

1:04:48

I feel like, it'd

1:04:52

be really hard for me too, because it's too limiting. I

1:04:54

do like aspects of grappling that I can use in

1:04:56

a fight, but yeah, nah,

1:04:59

I like full-fledged fighting. I think it's

1:05:02

a healthy ego. I just knew I have

1:05:04

to really humble myself so I can learn how to fight

1:05:07

these guys at their own game. So

1:05:09

yeah, that's why. I like how one

1:05:11

FC has everything. They have grappling matches,

1:05:13

they have kickboxing matches, they have Muay

1:05:15

Thai matches, and they have MMA matches.

1:05:17

I think that is the way to

1:05:19

go. And I really wish the UFC,

1:05:22

I know they're invested in this slap fighting shit, but

1:05:25

instead of that, have a kickboxing league. I

1:05:29

think they don't think that people would get

1:05:31

into kickboxing. I think they're wrong. They just

1:05:33

did the one in Denver for one FC

1:05:35

recently, went well, and the fights are

1:05:37

crazy. A lot of knockdowns,

1:05:39

a lot of action-packed stuff. If it

1:05:41

was just marketed the right way with

1:05:44

the UFC's marketing machine, easily,

1:05:47

easily it would be one of the

1:05:49

biggest leagues. Because everybody loves KOs, everybody

1:05:51

loves stand-up fights. And you're gonna... It's

1:05:53

slap fighting. There's a lot

1:05:55

of KOs there. But you're

1:05:58

gonna get real KOs because... They

1:06:00

can't grow no one can grapple. Yeah, you

1:06:02

can't grapple So you're gonna get people that

1:06:04

are forced to stand up and you could

1:06:06

then attract the greatest strikers in the world

1:06:08

like one FC Is doing they're getting all

1:06:10

these tie killers, you know these rod tanks

1:06:12

all these like elite TIE fighters and they're

1:06:14

all coming over and they're fighting

1:06:17

in the cage now And I feel like

1:06:19

there's an opportunity for that for a kickboxing

1:06:21

league in America That would be hugely successful

1:06:23

if like the UFC machine got behind it.

1:06:25

Yeah, you know, Joey past out of that

1:06:27

I think he did. Yeah, I did cage.

1:06:30

Yeah, cuz I watch gloves I watched both fires

1:06:32

with Brad Riddell I think or the first no

1:06:34

the first one with Brad Riddell that was a

1:06:36

second one. Sorry That was the one I watched

1:06:38

that cage fighting great fight crazy

1:06:40

if I ever know John lost He just showed me

1:06:42

who he is. But yeah, I think he did start

1:06:45

Cage Muay Thai. Yes, that was this I think it was

1:06:48

his thing. He should have trademarked

1:06:50

that shit Yeah,

1:06:52

well Muay Thai with little gloves is different

1:06:54

too, right? You know, there's blocks you can't

1:06:56

use you just shielding. Yeah, I remember with

1:06:58

the big gloves I always talked about it

1:07:00

as well. I always felt my striking was

1:07:02

better for MMA I always

1:07:04

felt it was better for me because I was like nice you can just do

1:07:07

this That's yeah,

1:07:09

you just block whatever hit. This is who's

1:07:11

tough Right, but

1:07:13

with the small gloves you can get around the

1:07:15

guard the hand traps are different Mm-hmm. So I

1:07:18

always just felt like yeah my striking would excel

1:07:20

better in MMA. I wasn't as Not

1:07:23

I'm tough, but I wasn't as just like tough

1:07:25

for no reason. Yeah. Thank you. Like I

1:07:27

use my brain Yeah, I was just tough

1:07:29

for no reason like boom. Okay, you hit

1:07:31

me hit me hit you hit you Yeah,

1:07:33

that's not my style I always felt I

1:07:35

was slicker the way I moved the way

1:07:37

I set traps and that's why I like

1:07:39

them It may strike him better. It's kind

1:07:41

of crazy about the Dutch, right? Like what

1:07:43

is it about them that makes their style

1:07:45

so savage because if you go back and

1:07:47

like watch like Ramon Decker's or Rob Came

1:07:49

in or Ernesto who's yeah. Oh my god.

1:07:52

There's some of the culture. Is that what

1:07:54

yeah? I think it's the culture of the stock

1:07:56

because you I've seen some of the gym spas.

1:07:58

That's how they heard. It's insane over. Yeah Kaleel

1:08:00

was talking about it. Kaleel was telling him the

1:08:02

way he went up the train over there years

1:08:04

back and he's like, I can't fucking do this.

1:08:07

These guys are going hard every day.

1:08:09

For zero dollars. Yeah, zero dollars. What

1:08:11

do you get paid in glory? What

1:08:14

do the best fighters get paid in glory? What is like?

1:08:17

I wasn't getting paid that much. What does

1:08:19

Rico Verhoeven get paid to defend his heavyweight

1:08:21

title? I think he probably gets more than

1:08:23

most. He's still in glory, right? Yeah. Okay,

1:08:26

yeah. Yeah. I kind of fell

1:08:28

off them after they robbed me off

1:08:30

the fucking belt. I was just like, yeah, whatever. I don't care

1:08:32

about their own one. Yeah, or the Jason Wellness fight? Yeah, after

1:08:34

that I kind of fell off. I thought you wanted to fight

1:08:36

too. Yeah, I know. It's one of those things. Look, I'm glad

1:08:38

things happen the way they have in my career because it always

1:08:40

gives me an opportunity to come back or

1:08:42

rise again and showcase my spirit, my fighting spirit.

1:08:44

Not just in the cage, but as

1:08:46

a human being. So all the

1:08:49

things that have happened to me in my

1:08:51

career when it comes to losses or setbacks,

1:08:53

I just go, cool, let's

1:08:55

see what I can do next. Right. Even

1:08:57

look, the DDP fight, Shlicklin' Fight. What's another

1:08:59

one? Well, Pereira, I got that back. Yann

1:09:02

when I feel like that was a side

1:09:04

quest, I'm just kind of like, man, that's

1:09:06

cool. And I never hold on to them.

1:09:09

I never hold on like, I

1:09:11

need to get this. It's like, nah, this is

1:09:13

fine. Like the Alex one, I was cool if

1:09:15

that never happened. But then he

1:09:17

decided to chase me and I was like,

1:09:19

cool, let's do it. The Yann thing is

1:09:21

a crazy situation, right? Because Yann goes to

1:09:24

a split decision with Pereira. It's

1:09:26

a great fight. It's a tough fight.

1:09:29

He has that crazy fight with Ankeliah. It goes to

1:09:31

a draw. And then no one's

1:09:33

talking about him. Everyone's talking about contenders in the

1:09:35

Light Heavyweight division. Like, what about Jan Beovich? Get

1:09:38

him in now before he's too fucking old. I think he's

1:09:40

already in his 40s, early 40s. I

1:09:43

think he won the title that old. Wasn't

1:09:45

he like 39 or 40 when he won the title? He

1:09:48

was, I'm trying to think. I just

1:09:50

feel like he's being disrespected. Like

1:09:52

he's just not getting the attention.

1:09:55

If you look at his performances, the guy's

1:09:57

not had a bad performance. There's not one

1:09:59

fight. That was boring. There's not one fight where he

1:10:01

wasn't trying to win. He's not

1:10:04

a wrestler Contenders

1:10:09

Animal and he's out of

1:10:11

the conversation like they're talking about on

1:10:13

Kalei of fighting, you know, like oh

1:10:16

Alex is avoiding on Kalei of so he takes Khalil

1:10:19

Alkali of and Jan Boho which went to a

1:10:21

fucking draw like what about that? Like what about

1:10:23

him? Yeah, maybe cuz he doesn't

1:10:25

make as much noise cuz I don't really see

1:10:28

him On there as

1:10:30

much anymore. What does it say? Ah Okay,

1:10:33

are we supposed to fight rocket? Shoulder

1:10:37

injury he's hurt right now. Oh shoulder surgery

1:10:39

so that but that was January. So that

1:10:41

was ten months ago Yeah,

1:10:44

must be well, that's about the amount of

1:10:46

time especially when you're dealing

1:10:48

with shoulder injuries, man Those fucking things take

1:10:50

forever and go see fucking what's his name

1:10:52

Briggs? But yeah, I'm glad I got

1:10:54

some today though. Thank you for that. I actually feel better.

1:10:57

Yeah Not from the stem cells.

1:10:59

I liked it from the just the drip I go

1:11:01

earlier. But yeah the stem cells the ones I had

1:11:03

in my My

1:11:06

ankle yeah, they worked I went to

1:11:08

Mexico. Yeah, it's a game-changer It's

1:11:11

a game-changer and we're getting fucked here in

1:11:13

America where it's very difficult to get the

1:11:15

same kind of treatment that you can get

1:11:17

in Mexico and in Panama what they can

1:11:19

do here is much more limited. Hopefully in

1:11:22

the future They'll release those limitations. But in

1:11:24

America, you're dealing with a lot of corruption because Surgeons

1:11:28

pharmaceutical drug companies They don't they're gonna lose a

1:11:30

lot of money if they have stem cell treatments

1:11:32

because there's so many different things that it could

1:11:34

fix Even though Briggs was just talking

1:11:37

about what he said on here just going at

1:11:39

them. Mm-hmm And that went viral which is good

1:11:41

I just told him bro put out a tweet

1:11:43

and say I would never ever kill myself ever

1:11:46

I think that's a smart thing to do He

1:11:49

just put that sweet because we start with

1:11:51

those guys pharmaceutical companies they will find anything.

1:11:53

Yeah, you guys like crash whoopsie Oh, how

1:11:56

did that happen? Yeah, fuck those one

1:11:58

was the one for me. I put that to it out one

1:12:00

time because I kind of got a little paranoid. So

1:12:04

I did this interview with Oscar Willis right and

1:12:07

I started talking about the whole

1:12:09

this is when Epstein just got arrested and

1:12:12

I was saying like well Epstein just got arrested

1:12:14

right and then Oscar goes yeah it's funny how

1:12:16

the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case

1:12:18

is getting more attention than that and I'm like crazy

1:12:20

isn't it? So this Epstein guy just sold

1:12:24

kids or whatever traffic them to these rich

1:12:26

oligarchs and whatnot I I was like what

1:12:28

happened to them what happens to those people

1:12:30

where's the list? And then I

1:12:32

didn't think anything of it but then it went

1:12:34

viral and then every year since it goes viral

1:12:36

at least twice or three times I'll see it

1:12:39

just circulate again and I'm just like oh fuck

1:12:41

so then I went on Twitter and I said

1:12:44

I would and I'll say it again look I

1:12:46

will never ever kill myself I've never even

1:12:48

come close I mean

1:12:50

we all think about it sometimes like when I was

1:12:52

working this job it just had like a passing

1:12:55

fleeting thought like oh if I just jump over

1:12:57

this bridge and hurt my leg I don't have

1:12:59

to work for the next six months because I

1:13:01

hated my last job but I would never ever

1:13:03

ever ever kill myself I'm not that I'm not

1:13:06

built that way and I've been there before when

1:13:08

I think 2013 I realized is this

1:13:10

how people feel before they killed themselves like

1:13:13

the how sad they were and I was like

1:13:15

man that's sad that just made me feel sad

1:13:17

for those who actually go through with it yeah

1:13:19

but yeah anyway I would never kill myself just

1:13:21

in case well there's enough people commenting on the

1:13:24

Epstein case that I don't think you have to

1:13:26

worry but yeah the people that are in the

1:13:29

position to actually know the people's names

1:13:31

on the list those people are probably

1:13:33

in trouble yeah because that's a crazy

1:13:35

piece of information to have and the

1:13:37

fact is that no one's been tried

1:13:40

no one's been brought no one's been

1:13:42

discussed we know who went there

1:13:44

we know flight logs no one

1:13:46

talks about anything there's no effort to

1:13:48

prosecute there's no effort and then you

1:13:51

have Ghislaine Maxwell who's in jail for

1:13:54

sex trafficking to who

1:13:57

that's who you have to have you have to have done

1:13:59

it to but there's no effort

1:14:01

at all to uncover that. Yeah, what I'm saying

1:14:03

now this year, it's kind of crazy how this

1:14:05

year started off with what's his name, Cat Williams

1:14:08

on Shannon's shop. He

1:14:10

starts talking, spilling the tea, sipping the

1:14:13

cognac. Yeah. And then now this

1:14:15

whole P Diddy thing. Sometimes you have to

1:14:17

tell Diddy no. Oh man, bruh. Yeah, it's

1:14:19

crazy. Oh man. Sean Diddy Combs alleged list

1:14:21

of accomplishes to be revealed soon. The names

1:14:23

will shock you, attorney says, whoa. I think

1:14:25

he's gonna sing, eh. I think. I

1:14:27

think he has to sing or he goes to jail. I'll tell you what I'm

1:14:29

saying. God protects me. I'm

1:14:31

so glad God protects me. Because

1:14:35

look, if I got invited

1:14:38

to the white party, I'd have gone. Especially if

1:14:40

you didn't know. Of course, no one know. No

1:14:42

one knew. If you don't know, you're just a

1:14:44

celebrity and you know, oh, Jennifer Lopez is gonna

1:14:46

be there. Oh, Rick Ross is gonna be there.

1:14:48

Everyone's gonna be there. That would be a cool

1:14:50

place. I wanna meet those people. Facts. And

1:14:52

I just wanna be there having fun partying, but then

1:14:54

they start to, apparently, they said that we're using, I'm

1:14:58

gonna guess it's like ketamine because they said horse

1:15:00

tranquilizer. And they're putting in people's drinks and the

1:15:02

champagne and then getting them all loose. Yeah. I'll

1:15:04

tell you a secret. It's just us two, right?

1:15:06

Yeah. After I

1:15:08

knocked out Pereira in Miami, we

1:15:11

went to Tutties the next night and they were

1:15:13

like, yo, P Diddy wasn't here watching your fight

1:15:15

last night. I was like, wait, word? Crazy. And

1:15:18

I went and checked my DMs and I saw, oh, shit, he hit

1:15:20

me up. And he was talking about two

1:15:22

months later, I wanna do an interview or whatever. And

1:15:24

I said, here's my manager's number. Pop

1:15:26

cool. Nothing ever came off it. But

1:15:28

again, that's why I said, God be protecting me. Right.

1:15:30

Because who knows? Like you never know, oh,

1:15:33

yeah, we're having this party later on. Yeah,

1:15:35

that's cool. Cool, cool. And then they start to

1:15:37

like, you know, you find some chick, you pull

1:15:39

on you and then boom. Oh, how was that

1:15:41

15 year old? Like, wait, what? Right. And

1:15:43

you filmed. Yeah. I

1:15:45

heard about that. Yeah. He had apparently

1:15:47

allegedly cameras all over the house and

1:15:51

a hundred. A thousand bottles of baby

1:15:53

oil. Yeah, what? Nobody's that ashy,

1:15:55

bro. A

1:15:57

thousand, but also by the way, that's shit.

1:16:01

Coconut oil is better, fucking water-based lubricant,

1:16:04

but baby oil is acidic as fuck, Johnson

1:16:06

and Johnson's. Like, that's demonic, bro. Like, why

1:16:08

would you use baby oil? Even if you're

1:16:10

fucking dudes, nah! Probably started out with it.

1:16:13

That's all the bottles. No, that's AI. That's

1:16:16

got to be AI. That's got to be AI. I

1:16:19

don't know if it's AI. I think that's real. I think it was

1:16:21

lube and baby oil. I think he had a variety

1:16:23

of different substances. Who

1:16:25

counted that? It was 1,000. Look at that. One,

1:16:28

two, three bottles of baby oil. Imagine having 500

1:16:30

bottles. Five hundred six bottles of baby oil

1:16:32

on the wall. Imagine having 500 bottles and

1:16:34

going, we need to go for a

1:16:36

fucking target run. Oh, man. The fact that it said it

1:16:39

was fucking, what did you call it, Costco? And Costco goes,

1:16:41

nah, we don't sell that shit. What

1:16:43

is this? Defaced AR-15s? Interesting. What does that mean?

1:16:45

Does that mean they scratch the serial numbers off?

1:16:47

Scratch the serial numbers off? Yeah. Whoa,

1:16:50

that's a serious crime. That's a serious

1:16:52

crime. But again, see, he's in cahoots

1:16:54

with Epstein. And

1:16:57

then... Is he in cahoots with... Was he

1:16:59

in cahoots with Epstein? Or was it just

1:17:01

a similar type of an operation? No, no.

1:17:03

They were friends. Really? Yeah. Because Epstein had

1:17:05

a fucking... on Miami as

1:17:07

well. That really private, rich estate

1:17:11

in Miami. So they were all in cahoots as

1:17:13

well. But again, I think he's going

1:17:15

to sing. Isn't it

1:17:17

crazy? That was always the conspiracy theory,

1:17:19

tin foil hat thing. Oh, there's a

1:17:21

place where the elites go to fuck

1:17:24

underage kids. What? What's his name? Alex

1:17:26

Jones. He was right. He was right.

1:17:29

He was right about a lot of things. Almost

1:17:31

everything. Almost everything. Fuck up that

1:17:33

one. But

1:17:36

almost everything else he was right. But you

1:17:38

got to realize that that guy had been

1:17:40

in uncovering real conspiracies that

1:17:43

the media had not covered

1:17:45

for fucking decades. And

1:17:48

he was literally having like a psychotic break because

1:17:50

of it. Because he's just drinking all the time

1:17:52

and dealing with the stress. How would you... Even

1:17:54

Kanye, imagine you trying to tell people something. And

1:17:58

then no one believes you and they call you crazy. I'd

1:18:00

go crazy just trying to explain to people even I

1:18:04

Can imagine the frustration the

1:18:06

frustration of trying to explain to someone and you're like no

1:18:08

this is really happening This is and they're like yeah, whatever

1:18:10

you this and that and I went down the rabbit hole

1:18:12

in 2020 I'll tell you I did I had

1:18:14

to and For me

1:18:16

it was just like I

1:18:19

could see the fuckery. I could

1:18:21

look this is The

1:18:24

mark of the immigrant that's right here.

1:18:26

If you look at any immigrants just like that little dot Kiloid

1:18:29

it's from a vaccine. We all had as As

1:18:32

kids all over Africa. I can't remember what

1:18:34

it was for. So I'm not opposed to

1:18:36

vaccines but when someone's

1:18:38

trying to force you a cohort

1:18:41

coherst you or whatever into Taking

1:18:45

something that you're like, you know something

1:18:47

just doesn't feel right about it. You know

1:18:49

what I mean? Yeah, but again, I grew up

1:18:51

in Nigeria. I know how

1:18:53

corruption works, right? So, I mean, I'm a

1:18:56

lawyer Biden citizen You

1:18:58

know I'm saying I did my part whatever

1:19:01

but still I just knew something was afoot

1:19:03

so I Yeah,

1:19:05

I did my part. I played the game cuz it's all

1:19:07

a game. I got offered different ways

1:19:09

to play the game But I was like, I'll

1:19:12

find my own way and I did so yeah

1:19:14

stay pure which is good Yeah, this

1:19:16

whole thing was just money It

1:19:19

was just they were trying to convince everybody that

1:19:21

needed a vaccine because they wanted to make enormous

1:19:23

amounts of money and they Pulled it off and

1:19:26

then now with all the information that's come out

1:19:28

all the deaths Yeah, I saw that

1:19:31

show died suddenly or whatever. Yeah, and

1:19:33

you see the blood clots from

1:19:36

the same time that the vaccine go pushed Excuse

1:19:39

me, and then everyone just goes. Oh Hello

1:19:43

carry on my dad's like again,

1:19:45

I'm frustrated in a sense bottle say it cuz like

1:19:48

we fucking told you yes, but

1:19:50

then You're I

1:19:53

don't need an apology knowing he's an apology but

1:19:55

kind of like everyone just oh well I guess

1:19:57

that's that and then carry on with the fucking

1:19:59

life. I was told talking to a dude last

1:20:01

night who's a veteran who was telling me that

1:20:03

the hospital where these veterans get treated they

1:20:06

literally told him we are not allowed

1:20:08

to make a connection with any of

1:20:10

these adverse side effects to the vaccine.

1:20:13

Even ones that are listed as vaccine

1:20:15

side effects they're not allowed to make

1:20:17

that connection because they mandated the vaccine.

1:20:19

Yeah. And this is the real problem.

1:20:22

The reason why all these corporations and all

1:20:24

these people don't want to talk about it

1:20:26

is because they mandated their employees to get

1:20:28

vaccinated. Yeah. So they even though there's no

1:20:30

liability for the vaccine manufacturers because they're exempt

1:20:33

which is part of the problem why they

1:20:35

fucking propose all these things anyway but then

1:20:37

you're not allowed to make the connection with

1:20:39

the problem these people are having and

1:20:42

the fact that they got vaccinated two three times

1:20:44

you're not even allowed to say that this might

1:20:46

have been the cause of it. They're not even

1:20:48

allowed to bring up that

1:20:50

connection. That's so they have to just treat

1:20:52

whatever this side effect of the vaccine is

1:20:55

without talking at all about the vaccine and

1:20:57

not give any connection to it. Isn't that

1:20:59

funny? It's through the looking glass. Yeah. It's

1:21:01

like we're living in the matrix man it

1:21:03

really is it's like there's complete mind control

1:21:05

and the idea of mind controls like no

1:21:08

mind controls not real of course it's happens

1:21:10

I've seen it so many bots bro like

1:21:12

sometimes I move through life and I

1:21:14

feel like look we are all born like

1:21:17

as players in this game but everyone gets kind

1:21:19

of programmed through so you know

1:21:21

schooling or whatever education system society and

1:21:23

then they just become bots and

1:21:26

I can see it as well I guess because

1:21:28

when I was bringing it up and I'd say

1:21:30

something even people I really love and trust sometimes

1:21:33

and then did instantly what they call it agent

1:21:36

Smith syndrome and they just like no

1:21:38

actually this and that right right right

1:21:40

I might. You know why

1:21:42

that is because they got vaccinated and they

1:21:44

told people to get vaccinated and they don't

1:21:46

want to believe they made the bad decision

1:21:49

and they don't want to believe they coerced

1:21:51

other people into making a bad decision so

1:21:53

they want to come up with all sorts

1:21:55

of reasons why all these health problems and

1:21:58

all these and then the the overall All

1:22:00

to all cause mortality increase which is

1:22:02

through the roof in some age brackets.

1:22:04

It's 40% Increase

1:22:06

in all cause mortality strokes cancer heart

1:22:08

attacks all these things have gone through

1:22:10

the roof and no one is

1:22:12

making a connection Must be just

1:22:15

you know the food people

1:22:17

eating would just ignore It's just money even

1:22:19

some people like that did get it. They

1:22:21

tell me they regret getting it Yeah, so

1:22:23

many times I regret getting it I had

1:22:25

to because if not my job

1:22:27

was gonna fire me then I had and the the

1:22:30

fucking gaslighting thing our former fucking

1:22:32

Prime minister she did oh, I don't

1:22:34

believe we I don't believe we coerced

1:22:37

anyone into getting it I don't know

1:22:39

and you just I'm like bitch You

1:22:41

literally said if you can't if

1:22:43

you don't get this you can't go grocery

1:22:46

shopping Yeah, can't go to restaurants. You can't

1:22:48

work can't work so your livelihood

1:22:50

gone But then we didn't I don't think

1:22:52

we forced anyone we didn't force

1:22:54

your hand like when people did that's the ultimate

1:22:56

form of gaslighting You're just like in

1:22:59

our face the pressure was incredible Yeah,

1:23:01

it was incredible And you know I

1:23:03

felt it in the weirdest way because

1:23:05

I saw people lying about me on

1:23:07

CNN I was like this is great

1:23:09

the horse tranquilizer thing they yeah, they

1:23:11

was horse dewormer. They change the color

1:23:14

of my face They made me look

1:23:16

yellow and sick on television I'm

1:23:18

like if you do that to me and by the way No

1:23:21

one gave a fuck that I got better real

1:23:23

quick That was the craziest part about it isn't

1:23:25

this supposed to be about recovering from a disease

1:23:27

here You got a guy who's recovered in three

1:23:29

days, and it's telling you all the shit He

1:23:32

took and you're lying you

1:23:34

still try to like superimpose that

1:23:36

sepia kind of filter The

1:23:39

one that got me so because we

1:23:41

still traveled during 2020 I

1:23:43

did four of those in my queue quarantines

1:23:46

the one where you go back to your own country Uh-huh,

1:23:48

and then you have to quarantine in the hotel for

1:23:50

two weeks Before

1:23:53

you get led back into society My

1:23:55

coach usually did nine a lot

1:23:57

of those he even told me Israel that last one

1:24:00

Luckily the last one he was able to do it in his

1:24:02

house, but then his family had to go live somewhere else for

1:24:04

two weeks. He was just grateful he had it in

1:24:06

his house. My last one, I

1:24:09

remember I went outside for our

1:24:11

fucking daily outside

1:24:14

for what, 40 minutes or whatever. Sometimes

1:24:17

we get shipped onto

1:24:19

the playpen on a bus, like prisoners

1:24:21

or whatever. And then I

1:24:23

remember everyone was doing these circles, just walking in a circle. And

1:24:26

I almost did a full circle one time and I was like,

1:24:28

what the fuck am I doing? And

1:24:30

then I went back into my room and I stayed in my room

1:24:32

for the remaining 11 days, because

1:24:36

I just felt like this was too much. And then

1:24:38

also the one that got me was third

1:24:41

one. This lady had a kid

1:24:43

and she may be paraplegic or

1:24:45

whatever. She had a neurological

1:24:47

disease. And then the kid had

1:24:49

a seizure while the mom was

1:24:51

having the smoke somewhere. The kid had a seizure.

1:24:54

And one of the guys went and helped

1:24:56

the mom with the kid and the

1:24:58

officer that helped the mom with the kid, they

1:25:00

put him in quarantine for three days because he

1:25:02

didn't have the correct PPE gear on. So

1:25:05

that let me know, this

1:25:07

isn't about looking after people.

1:25:09

It's about punishing this guy for disobeying the law.

1:25:12

Because he didn't have it. So wait, oh,

1:25:14

someone's having a seizure. Hold up, miss. Let

1:25:16

me go put on this fucking overall and

1:25:18

tape my gloves on this. While this kid's

1:25:20

dying. Exactly. And they punished him for that.

1:25:22

So that let me know, like, okay, this

1:25:24

is fuckery. This is a foot. I remember

1:25:26

when Dan Hooker had fought over here and

1:25:28

then there was a picture of

1:25:30

him being on the side of a fence looking

1:25:32

at his daughter. It was heartbreaking.

1:25:35

He couldn't see his daughter for like

1:25:37

two weeks. You usually had the same thing. He had

1:25:39

a newborn at the time. So I have a picture

1:25:41

of him with his wife and his son on the

1:25:43

other side as well. And then

1:25:45

he was separating families, all that kind of stuff.

1:25:47

Look, I like my

1:25:50

alone time. I love, I might seem like a

1:25:52

social butterfly, and I am, I can do both,

1:25:54

but I love my alone time. And I like

1:25:56

being inside, but when

1:25:59

you have two. much alone time that's bad. I didn't

1:26:02

like that because then you start to go in your head

1:26:04

with all these other things. I mean

1:26:06

I didn't go crazy but there was

1:26:08

I was I was dancing on the

1:26:10

edge. I enjoyed it. People on Twitter

1:26:12

lost their fucking mind because they were

1:26:14

on Twitter all day long locked in

1:26:16

their house during quarantine for you

1:26:19

know months and months at a time

1:26:21

just literally getting mentally ill. Just

1:26:23

reading Twitter and attacking people and then blaming

1:26:25

all these people that are unvaccinated on all

1:26:27

the problems of the world. They just put

1:26:30

us against each other. Yeah constantly. I

1:26:33

just hope people don't do that again.

1:26:35

I hope people realize like hey that

1:26:37

was no one benefited from that. No

1:26:39

one got better. No it didn't help

1:26:41

anybody survive. It was all bullshit. I

1:26:43

hope there's another lockdown. But yeah

1:26:45

just for like a month I think okay look

1:26:48

every year at least for two weeks

1:26:50

or even some places maybe a month just all

1:26:53

right shut everything down everyone go it was good.

1:26:55

Like you get to spend time with your family

1:26:57

or the people you live with and realize do

1:26:59

I fuck with these people or do

1:27:02

I not? And they also built like

1:27:04

build relationships and relationships things like that

1:27:06

the whole world got better the fucking

1:27:08

ocean got cleaner. So I think it's

1:27:10

good. Lockdown was good for that when

1:27:12

it was okay but not

1:27:14

for extended pairs like six months or

1:27:16

whatever. It's terrible for the economy. Even

1:27:18

a lockdown for a month is terrible

1:27:20

for the economy. It takes a long

1:27:22

time to recover. When everything seizes and

1:27:24

you're not getting any packages and like

1:27:27

right now there's a teamsters and longshoreman

1:27:29

strike in America which means all the

1:27:31

docks all the shipments are coming in

1:27:33

no one's moving nothing everything's locked

1:27:35

down. I think it's the order of Amazon for

1:27:37

two weeks. No no no no no no no

1:27:39

no no. Eventually that's all gonna lock down. Eventually

1:27:41

there's gonna be nothing. If these

1:27:43

guys keep going it's gonna cripple the economy. Right

1:27:45

now it's only been a couple of days but the

1:27:48

the head of the Longshoreman's Union was talking

1:27:50

about what effect it's gonna have and you

1:27:52

basically say I want to do it because

1:27:54

they want more money. Okay. They they feel

1:27:56

like they have a more valuable position than

1:27:58

they're being compensated. And this is the best

1:28:00

way they can negotiate. Like, you guys need

1:28:02

to understand how valuable we are to your

1:28:04

society. You take us for granted. You don't

1:28:07

want to give us what's fair. And so

1:28:09

we're gonna fuck you. True. And they haven't

1:28:11

had a lockdown like that since 1977. Fifty

1:28:13

years, apparently. Yeah. Damn. I

1:28:15

guess that's a real one. It's a real one. It's a

1:28:17

scary one, too, because they

1:28:19

have immense power and they haven't flexed

1:28:21

it before. And they're flexing it now. And

1:28:23

they're flexing it, like, right before an election, which

1:28:25

is who knows what kind of

1:28:27

effect that's gonna have. Because if the economy tanks

1:28:29

because of that, and they can blame Biden and

1:28:32

Kamala Harris, you know, it could get crazy. Yeah.

1:28:35

I will see. When that start, like, a week ago? A couple

1:28:37

days ago. Oh, really? I think it

1:28:39

was October 1st. Shit. Yeah. Interesting.

1:28:42

I always like it when... Look,

1:28:44

I love America, but I like watching it from New Zealand.

1:28:47

I love... Like,

1:28:50

when I come here, I love the food, like,

1:28:52

the fucking, you know, Shake Shack, or just delicious.

1:28:55

Like, last night, it took so long for this burger,

1:28:59

something, Austin, to get to our hotel. But then when

1:29:01

it got there, we just smashed, like, all these smash

1:29:03

burgers. I ate three of them. So

1:29:05

good. And I go back home and I eat clean, and

1:29:07

I get my body right again. But here, I love it.

1:29:10

Even when Trump won, I was

1:29:12

stuck here for... in San

1:29:14

Diego for about eight weeks. That's when I went

1:29:17

to Atos Jiu-Jitsu, and I got really, really good

1:29:19

at Jiu-Jitsu for a while. Me

1:29:22

and my teammates, we just thought, like, when Trump

1:29:24

wins, we need to have food for four days,

1:29:27

because it's going to be fucking crazy. The

1:29:29

street's going to... Because from where we are

1:29:32

in New Zealand, the camera only shows you

1:29:34

this. So, Trump wins. We're

1:29:37

looking outside like, okay, it's safe, cool. Everyone's...

1:29:39

And nothing's really happening. You see,

1:29:41

you know, Trump flags on someone's lawn,

1:29:43

Biden, whatever on someone's lawn still. It's

1:29:46

fine. But then someone

1:29:48

explained to me that even the capital riots in

1:29:52

D.C., they face the cameras this way. If you just turn

1:29:54

the cameras this way, you'll see the rest

1:29:56

of the street just normal. So, from

1:29:58

New Zealand, when we see what's happening here... It's

1:30:00

just the biggest craziest sitcom and

1:30:03

again, I said, I love America, but I like watching it

1:30:05

from New Zealand But I do enjoy

1:30:07

being here. But again watching it from

1:30:09

New Zealand We have our own chaos to deal with

1:30:11

but this one is just juicy. It's a different kind

1:30:13

of chaos The whole world's watching that's what's different because

1:30:15

America is such a weird country that the whole world

1:30:18

is watching when we have elections even look Trump

1:30:20

just got almost assassinated twice twice

1:30:23

twice what second assassination attempt. No. Yeah There's

1:30:25

a guy who got caught with an AK

1:30:27

47. He was hiding in the bushes for

1:30:30

12 hours Got in a shootout with

1:30:32

the Secret Service. I missed all this Yeah, because they took

1:30:34

it in and out of the news in like a heartbeat

1:30:37

He there was a shootout. No that's

1:30:39

the the Secret Service shot at him.

1:30:41

He fled I don't think

1:30:43

he shot at the service. He fled

1:30:45

and then they caught him Well, he's

1:30:47

before after the after after after I

1:30:49

see so this is a guy who's

1:30:51

a real lunatic He went over Ukraine

1:30:53

to fight for the Ukraine forces. It's

1:30:56

a crazy person Okay, and this guy

1:30:58

was somehow or another armed to the

1:31:00

tits even though it's illegal for him

1:31:02

to be carrying a gun he's a

1:31:04

convicted felon and he Almost

1:31:07

assassinated Trump and it was out

1:31:10

of the news cycle in a couple of days.

1:31:12

I missed that completely I didn't even know about

1:31:14

it. Oh, they gloss over it. They don't give

1:31:16

a fuck But again, how do you gloss over

1:31:18

that the one with when he got shot and

1:31:20

he just turned his ear crazy There's

1:31:22

so many things fucked up with that, you know I I mean,

1:31:25

I'm sure you've already talked about this other people But just the fact

1:31:27

that it's just they apparently saw him

1:31:29

on the roof for one nine minutes or something

1:31:31

Yeah, I had and just watched him my so

1:31:34

many things. I just go Everything's

1:31:36

wrong. It wasn't really Secret Service. A lot of

1:31:38

those are Homeland Security the lady with the gun.

1:31:41

Oh, yeah fumbling with the gun

1:31:44

Full panic. Yeah, the whole thing was madness and

1:31:46

the fact that that went out of the news

1:31:49

cycle real quickly, too Nobody cares about the fact

1:31:51

they almost killed that guy now. It's about the

1:31:53

debate It's about the yeah, and they

1:31:55

went right back to calling him a threat to

1:31:57

democracy a threat to our society and like hey

1:32:00

Who was that kid? How did he die?

1:32:02

What happened there? How did he get

1:32:05

a hold of those detonators? How did

1:32:07

his apartment get completely professionally scrubbed when

1:32:10

they went to that kid's house? There was no silverware.

1:32:12

His house was professionally scrubbed. And he lived by himself.

1:32:14

Isn't he a teenager? 20 years old Meanwhile,

1:32:16

he was in a Black Rock commercial. Black

1:32:19

Rock the company. Yeah, he was in a

1:32:21

Black Rock commercial. Okay. And then Yeah,

1:32:24

dude, there's so much to that story And

1:32:26

here's the thing if he kills Trump and

1:32:28

then they kill him who knows it's

1:32:31

all lost It's all in the wind. Yeah,

1:32:33

Oh lone shooter a crazy person Unfortunately

1:32:36

got a hold of Trump, you know, we

1:32:38

need to do take everyone's guns Yeah, this

1:32:40

gun violence is a real problem in this

1:32:42

country, you know, it's also a problem mind

1:32:44

control Like what did you do to that

1:32:46

kid? What drugs was he on? No toxicology

1:32:48

examination? They burned his body in 10 days

1:32:50

really I took a hold of that even

1:32:52

bury him. Oh, they fucking cremated his ass

1:32:55

See, yeah, this is what I like. I just get

1:32:57

the popcorn. Yeah, it's nuts It's a

1:32:59

crazy because he would have been Lee Harvey

1:33:01

Oswald too I mean, just like really Harvey

1:33:03

Oswald allegedly shoots JFK Jack Ruby

1:33:05

walks up to him. Bam shoots him He's

1:33:08

dead. What happened? Who knows? That's the whole

1:33:10

magic bullet theory again I've gone down the

1:33:12

rabbit hole to a point where I saw

1:33:14

that it might have been the driver. Yeah,

1:33:17

no, no, okay So

1:33:19

with this exactly Yeah, that's

1:33:21

bullshit multiple shooters for sure most likely people

1:33:24

in the grass You know and most likely

1:33:26

probably somebody from where Oswald was as well

1:33:28

It might even been Oswald Oswald might have

1:33:30

taken a shot as well. I saw this

1:33:33

video See this is that you can't trust

1:33:35

shit these days. No, bro. I swear next

1:33:37

year I think next year

1:33:39

it'll be when it's like you have to really

1:33:42

know what you're watching I'll have

1:33:44

to question everything because now it's fingers text

1:33:46

I can kind of that's a bullshit and

1:33:48

also there's a little texture is a texture

1:33:50

with the AI videos and I'm

1:33:52

like that's AI I know yeah, next year better

1:33:54

and better. Yeah, I got a piss. Let's take

1:33:57

a leak real quick. No worries. I'll take it

1:33:59

piss as well I'm talking about my documentary. It's

1:34:03

great. So we're talking about what we're talking about before.

1:34:05

Oh, we just went on a tangent about fucking chemtrails

1:34:07

and shit. Yeah. No,

1:34:10

but I was just telling Jamie about my documentary. I said like,

1:34:12

you should watch it as well. I said, even if it wasn't

1:34:14

about me, I'd still

1:34:16

recommend it because it was a well-made, not

1:34:19

so sporty, sporty films. Like one of the

1:34:21

best pictures I got sent was this lady

1:34:24

knitting on a plane and

1:34:26

then watching it. And I thought

1:34:28

that was like an old lady. Not

1:34:30

her demographic, watching M&M. She's watching me through the documentary knitting

1:34:32

because it was something that, it

1:34:35

was different. When

1:34:38

did they start filming this? They

1:34:41

came on board, ooh, 20, ooh, 2018. We

1:34:47

started talking. And then they

1:34:49

came on board with

1:34:51

their cameras. But Jeff St. Leo, who

1:34:53

is my videographer, works

1:34:55

for Zuck now, literally does

1:34:57

everything. But yeah, he had a lot

1:35:00

of behind the scenes footage. And

1:35:02

we just put it all together, talking about my

1:35:05

kind of rise

1:35:07

in this game, but also dealing

1:35:09

with the, I guess the pressures of

1:35:11

all this, you know? Because

1:35:14

no one, there's no book on how to be famous. I

1:35:17

had to learn this on my own. I had to learn

1:35:19

this myself. What was the most difficult part of it for

1:35:21

you? For me, I think

1:35:23

people, I just didn't expect that. I knew I

1:35:26

wanted to be, when you grow up,

1:35:28

I want to be rich and famous. The MTV

1:35:31

Cribs era, the Pimp My Ride

1:35:33

era, I thought, yo, when I'm rich, I'm gonna

1:35:35

have seven cars, one for every

1:35:37

day of the week. I'm gonna have this many houses. Have

1:35:40

real estate now, differently. But also, I only

1:35:42

need two cars. There's all these

1:35:44

other stuff that comes through. Also, I'm not a

1:35:46

car person like you. I just like Hot Wheels.

1:35:49

But, but, now I can buy

1:35:51

one of them. Don't you have the McLaren though?

1:35:53

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My best reaction when

1:35:55

I wrapped it was, I love seeing little boys

1:35:57

be like, when

1:35:59

they see it. Yeah, but not put it back to black, and

1:36:01

I'm gonna do something different to it later on with some airbrushing.

1:36:04

Not me, my guy, Matty Bro. But

1:36:06

yeah, it was just people.

1:36:08

There's even a bit in this documentary where

1:36:12

they would just film me one day, and then

1:36:14

these kids are like, they

1:36:17

just drove by my house and, ahh,

1:36:19

oh my God, and they beat the horn. They kinda gave me

1:36:21

a fright, and they came to my door. And

1:36:24

then the camera was filming, so it's in the documentary, and

1:36:27

I explained to them, oh,

1:36:29

it's cool, let's take a photo, right, right, right. But

1:36:31

then it got to a point where it'd be like 9 p.m., 10

1:36:34

p.m., and then, oh,

1:36:36

it's the Hub Endo home, because my house, my

1:36:38

front door was accessible to the street. That was

1:36:40

my first house I ever bought. Now,

1:36:43

David lives there, that's his home, and I live

1:36:45

in this fucking complex that has a gate and

1:36:48

a code, so if you have to get to my front door, you have

1:36:50

to be there. And yeah, just

1:36:53

dealing with people was the main thing for me,