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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! The

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Joe Rogan Experience. Train

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by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night,

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all day! Alright,

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hello. What's happening? Hey,

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great to be back. Thanks for

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having me. Your movie is really

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funny. It's really funny. By myself,

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laughing out loud, hysterically today. I

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watched it in the sauna, I watched it in the

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gym. I watched it, it

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was, it's one of the best comedies

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I've seen in a long time. There's so

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many moments that are so uncomfortable. That

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means a lot, appreciate that. That's what we're

0:39

hoping for. The

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Robin DiAngelo one, where you gave that

0:43

guy money for reparations and you got

0:45

her, she thought it was uncomfortable. Yeah,

0:48

that was kind of a... When

0:52

we had the idea for the film to talk

0:54

about race, we knew we needed to get Robin

0:56

DiAngelo. I didn't think we'd get her, because I

0:58

figured she'd be a lot more... Savvy? Yes,

1:01

savvy and cautious. But

1:04

apparently she has no idea what's happening outside of

1:07

her bubble at all. So

1:09

she didn't know who I was. I gave her my name, and she

1:11

had no clue. Wow. But

1:15

we kind of went into that

1:17

knowing what the end was supposed to be, if we could

1:19

get her. We came up with that idea, we went to

1:22

a bar the night before the

1:24

interview, and we came up with this idea, could

1:26

we get her to actually pay reparations to

1:28

Ben, our black producer? And

1:32

we had to kind of talk him into it. And

1:35

it was really just like, in

1:38

real time I was there for about two hours, and

1:40

it was an hour and a half of the most

1:42

mind-numbing conversation, where I'm just... None

1:45

of that's in the movie, because it's just me, like, fluff

1:48

questions. And I'm repeating back to her

1:50

own ideas, so she knows that I'm a safe person. It's

1:53

a safe space, and then you've got to build to it, and build to

1:55

it, and build to it, and then finally you get to a point where

1:57

you can do something a little weird. that

2:00

she'll probably go along with it. And she did. I

2:04

mean, you saw we go through a whole, we have a

2:06

whole series of exercises we wanna do with her. And

2:08

she went, she did it. She was game. So

2:14

that was, and that was

2:16

one of the first things we filmed. So after we got that, we

2:18

knew that, okay, we have a movie here.

2:20

I feel like you got your money's worth with her, seeing as it's

2:22

$15,000, but I

2:24

feel like you got robbed by the lady that got

2:26

upset about the mascot. 50

2:30

grand, you barely got anything out of her. Yeah,

2:32

that was, well, part of the point of the

2:34

movie is that's why we put the price tags

2:36

on the screen. We

2:38

want people to see how absurd it is. So in

2:40

a certain way, it was like, the

2:45

higher they quoted the price, we said, great, we'll

2:47

pay that. Because we want this

2:49

in the movie. Right. Because

2:51

if all these people had said, oh yeah, I'll do it for

2:53

free, or I'll do it for 200 bucks, just pay my travel,

2:55

doesn't really make the point. But

2:58

they all were quoting exorbitant prices,

3:00

and she was the most. And

3:04

then she basically said almost nothing, but it

3:06

was okay. No

3:09

one ever found out who the identity of the mascot

3:11

is? No, I don't think so. It would

3:14

have been hilarious if it was a person of color. Well,

3:16

it almost certainly was. It almost certainly was, because

3:18

if it was a white guy, they would have

3:20

thrown him under the bus. Yeah, they

3:22

would have. So the fact that they didn't, yeah,

3:25

it's probably something like Hispanic kid or something. And

3:28

you gotta imagine, you can't see real good

3:30

with that fucking costume. You ever put a

3:32

mascot costume on? I haven't,

3:34

but I can tell that there's little eye

3:37

slits. You can't even see what's below you.

3:39

Exactly. Duncan

3:41

and I did a whole podcast where we pretended to

3:43

be furries. We lasted, every

3:46

podcast we do, we dress up. We'll dress up

3:48

like Star Wars people or whatever, spaceship

3:50

people. We did a podcast as furries.

3:53

We kept the helmets on for maybe five minutes. We're like,

3:55

I can't fucking do it. And we both took them off.

3:57

We're like props to the furries. If you could run around

3:59

with this thing on, This is hard to do. Like

4:01

you can't see shit. You can't breathe. So

4:03

the idea that he missed those kids is

4:06

like. The furries are doing a lot more than running

4:08

around in those things too. So that's the. They are.

4:10

They are. I think they designed special ones for that.

4:12

Yeah. I don't even wanna know. But. Like

4:15

a hatch. But that's, it's actually a perfect example of

4:17

what these people do, these race

4:19

hustlers, that something happened, it

4:22

was a little bit unpleasant. Yes.

4:24

Not a big deal. There's a million ways to interpret that.

4:27

It's just a normal human thing that happens in the world.

4:29

Things happen that are a little bit unpleasant. You're disappointed. Your

4:31

kid didn't get a high five. Okay, it happens. But

4:34

for them, they have one

4:36

lens for seeing the world. And the lens

4:38

is through this left wing racial ideology. So

4:40

everything that happens is colored by that. Right.

4:43

And everything is understood through that lens. So

4:46

anything, I mean, you think

4:48

about Michelle

4:51

Obama when she was first

4:53

lady. She had multiple stories that she would

4:55

tell about as first

4:57

lady being discriminated against because

4:59

of her race, allegedly. And one of them

5:01

was, she was

5:03

in line for ice cream or something and someone cut in front

5:05

of her. And she told

5:08

this story in some interview, this very dramatic

5:10

story about, well, they didn't see her cause

5:12

she's black. And meanwhile,

5:14

it's like, we've all been cut lady. People have

5:16

cut in front of all of us. It's just

5:18

that if it happens to me at Walmart, I

5:20

don't think of it racially. I just think, oh,

5:23

this person's an asshole. Exactly. But for her, it's

5:25

all racial. So that's kind of. But that's a

5:27

crazy one to say that someone cutting in front

5:29

of you, a selfish act is somehow racist. Just

5:31

because, that's like looking for racism everywhere.

5:35

That kind of situation is so normal. That's

5:38

so normal that some dick cuts in front of you. Right,

5:40

exactly. It's an unpleasant thing that

5:42

happens to all people. And

5:45

if you're not in the kind of

5:47

race hustle or bubble, you don't see it

5:50

that way. But that's. But it's interesting that nobody

5:52

wants to call that out. Nobody wants to be reasonable. Nobody

5:55

wants to say, well, is that like, you just say,

5:57

oh, wow, you have to listen to it. That's part

5:59

of the problem. Like you can't say, are

6:01

you sure that's racist? Cause then you're a

6:03

racist apologist and then you're racist

6:05

by proxy. Yeah. And how do you know, so how

6:07

do you know what's in that other person's mind? How

6:10

can you ascribe motives to them? This,

6:12

it drives me nuts that this is what, this is

6:15

what we do now, where if someone does something or

6:17

says something, someone else is offended by

6:19

it, that person who's offended

6:21

gets to decide what

6:24

the intent was behind the other person's

6:26

action, to the extent that if

6:28

the other person says, this was my

6:30

intention, I'll tell you what it was. They don't

6:32

get to have a say in the intentions behind their own actions.

6:35

They are suddenly not authorities in

6:37

their own behavior. Exactly. This

6:39

other person who was the offended party gets

6:42

to inform you what you meant by that thing,

6:46

which is really what the, I

6:48

mean, the move is called Am I racist? But in

6:51

reality, there's

6:54

only one person who can answer whether you're a racist person

6:56

and that's you. And if

6:59

you don't think that you're racist, then

7:02

you aren't because racism is a thought process. And

7:04

if it's not in your head, then you're not

7:06

racist. You might

7:09

have stereotypical views about people of other

7:11

races, everybody does to some extent. You

7:14

might think things that are even insulting about

7:16

people of other races, but it's not racist

7:18

because racist means you hate people

7:20

of other races or you think they're inferior to you. But

7:24

you could be not a racist person

7:26

and think that whatever, Asians

7:28

are bad drivers. You could think that that

7:31

stereotype is true. Whether it's true or

7:33

not, you just happen to think that that's a true thing about

7:35

this group. Doesn't mean you hate them, doesn't mean that you think

7:37

that they're inferior. You

7:40

can say frat boys are annoying and not hate

7:42

men. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

7:45

And most of the time, these stereotypes, they

7:47

didn't just fall out of the sky, like

7:49

they're grounded in something. If they did, no

7:51

one would, it wouldn't make any sense. Right.

7:55

And nobody would be offended. That's the thing, nobody would

7:57

be offended by a stereotype. Right. That

7:59

really was not true at all. at all.

8:01

You're only offended because it rings true at

8:03

least a little bit because otherwise

8:05

it would just be absurd.

8:08

Which is why when you get, I mean in the movie we

8:10

go, there's a section where

8:12

we go kind of outside this bubble and

8:14

we go down, we talk to bikers at

8:16

a biker bar in the

8:18

south, we talk to the poor black

8:21

community in New Orleans. And

8:24

the only reason we did that was

8:26

just, let's find people who are not,

8:29

they probably didn't go to college so they

8:31

didn't get brainwashed there. They're not getting the

8:33

corporate DEI seminars. They're not reading

8:36

Robin DiAngelo or any of these people. What

8:39

do they think about this stuff? Are they worried

8:41

about systemic racism? Do they see everything as racist

8:43

all the time? And what we found is no,

8:45

they're just not even, they don't even

8:47

speak that language. When you say the

8:49

term systemic racism to them, they say,

8:51

well what do you mean by that? What is that? This

8:53

was something that, look, people are always concerned

8:55

about people being racist, but there's something that

8:57

happened in this country somewhere around 2012ish where

8:59

things really,

9:03

really ramped up. And it

9:05

just became

9:08

much more of a subject, a

9:10

subject that was like constantly around

9:13

worrying about racial bias and it

9:17

ramped up, right? It ramped up till you get

9:19

to the point where you do have some of

9:21

these race hustlers that are saying

9:24

everyone's racist. You must confront

9:26

your unconscious bias and you're

9:28

just constantly hearing about it.

9:32

I think you're right that it was around 2012. BLM

9:35

came into formation in 2013, I think that was

9:38

the Trayvon Martin thing. So

9:42

it's not a coincidence that it seemed like race

9:44

relations in this country were improving decade after decade.

9:47

They weren't perfect, but it seemed like they were

9:49

pretty good. Much better than the sixties. Yeah, the

9:51

nineties. I grew up in the nineties. It was

9:53

not perfect, but I

9:55

grew up in a diverse area. I went to public

9:57

school, a lot of people with different ethnicities and races.

10:00

We weren't talking about racism all the time. It was

10:02

basically fine. And

10:05

then something happened in the

10:08

middle part of the first decade of

10:10

the 2000s where it seemed like

10:12

things started backsliding. And that's right at

10:14

a time when Barack Obama was elected.

10:17

And that's not a coincidence. Like a lot of

10:19

people have noticed that, it's odd that we had

10:21

a black president and then all of a sudden,

10:24

now we're having race riots again. And

10:26

I think the reason is that when

10:29

you elect a black president, I didn't like Obama,

10:32

I didn't vote for him. I think his policies are terrible.

10:35

But you would think that at least one positive

10:37

you could draw from that is that, well, at

10:39

least that means that systemic racism is

10:42

not a problem in this country anymore. I mean, if

10:44

a black guy could rise to the

10:46

top of the system and run it, then

10:49

clearly the system is not racist against black

10:51

people. And in fact, was

10:53

overwhelmingly voted into that position by Americans. Which

10:57

is true, so that is evidence that America

10:59

isn't systemically racist against black people, but the

11:01

race hustlers don't want us

11:03

to draw that conclusion. They're worried that we'll look

11:05

at Obama as president and say, okay, well, racism

11:07

isn't a big issue anymore. And

11:10

that's a problem for them because there's a lot

11:12

of power, money and influence to be found in

11:14

the racist, racism narrative. So they had to kind

11:16

of like double up on their efforts

11:18

to convince us that America is actually racist,

11:21

which is why during Obama's term,

11:23

that's when we started getting all these race hoaxes

11:25

and the race riots and BLM. That's

11:28

when things like people started talking about microaggressions and all

11:30

this kind of nonsense, because they needed

11:32

to tell us that, yeah, you might think

11:35

that this issue is kind of solved now, but it's

11:37

not. Racism is actually worse than

11:39

you ever imagined. It's lurking everywhere. And

11:41

now we're at a point, yeah,

11:44

and then not long after that, they started

11:46

tearing down Confederate civil war monuments

11:48

and stuff, stuff that's

11:50

been there for like 100 years, which was

11:52

always weird because 100 years ago, people

11:55

could whatever, walk by a Robert E. Lee

11:57

monument and not care. a big deal to

12:00

them, black or white. Now

12:02

all of a sudden, it's

12:04

a bigger deal to us than it was to people

12:07

whose parents fought. They had grandparents who

12:09

fought in the Civil War or died

12:11

in the Civil War. They

12:14

were okay with it. And yet

12:16

for us, what, the wounds of the Civil War

12:18

are fresher or more raw for us than they

12:20

were for people a century ago? It makes no

12:22

sense. How are we less able to be

12:25

objective and non-emotional about the Civil War

12:27

than people who had family

12:29

members? I mean, slaves, ex-slaves were still

12:32

living back then. Well,

12:34

I think it's because it's just like a

12:36

religious ideology. Like when the Taliban started blowing

12:38

up those ancient statues of Buddhas. Do you

12:40

remember that? Yeah. Because like

12:43

they could, like they destroyed

12:45

things that were a part of human

12:47

history that we would have studied for

12:49

thousands of years. And they destroyed them

12:51

because they didn't go along with their

12:53

religious ideology. And I think part of

12:56

the woke thing is this

12:58

religious ideology that has

13:01

to be followed. And you cannot stray

13:03

from the lines. You have to stay

13:05

inside whatever this ideology is promoting and

13:07

telling you what to do. And

13:10

one of the things was that you had

13:12

to take down all these statues of terrible

13:14

people. And I remember Trump saying at the

13:17

time, well, the problem with that is like,

13:19

eventually they're going to take down George Washington

13:21

and everybody thought he was crazy. Like that's

13:23

a crazy thing to say. But once they

13:26

got past Civil War people, then they got

13:28

to who owned slaves and then

13:30

they got to taking down, they wanted to take

13:32

down statues of Thomas Jefferson and eventually did

13:34

get to George Washington. Yeah. And that was

13:36

always, it was always going to go that

13:38

way because George

13:40

Washington, the founding fathers owned slaves. Not

13:44

only that, but they were rebels

13:47

rebelling against a governmental

13:50

authority. And if they had

13:52

lost them, they all would have been hanged

13:54

as traitors and that's how they'd be remembered.

13:57

Thankfully they didn't. But so there's a,

13:59

it's actually, there's It's not that far

14:01

of a leap to go from one to the other. And

14:04

of course the issue is that everybody

14:07

who lived on earth prior

14:09

to about, certainly

14:12

prior to 100 years ago, is

14:15

racist by our standards today, every single one.

14:18

There was no one who lived on earth 100 years ago who

14:20

we would not consider racist anywhere

14:22

of any race. If you

14:24

go back 200 years or

14:26

earlier than that, almost

14:29

everybody either owned slaves

14:31

or was OK with slavery as an institution. You

14:34

go back 500 years and

14:37

there was nobody on the planet who

14:40

considered slavery to be wrong fundamentally.

14:42

They might have had issues with how slaves

14:44

are treated in some context, but it

14:47

took like thousands of years for it to ever

14:49

even occur to a single human on earth that

14:51

slavery is actually fundamentally wrong, which

14:55

is a crazy thing. And that's actually an interesting

14:57

thing you could talk about and think about. Like,

14:59

why is that? How could it be that it's

15:01

so obvious to us but some of

15:03

the greatest minds of history, they never thought of it. But

15:06

we can't talk about that because we have to talk

15:08

about slavery and racism as if they're exclusively white Western

15:11

phenomena. Well, I've

15:14

had friends that have a different perspective on

15:16

the Obama situation. And my friend

15:18

Willie was talking to me about this. And he was

15:20

saying that what happened was when you look, one

15:25

thing that we can be sure of is that

15:27

race is surreal. There are real racists in this

15:29

country. There's real anti-Black racists, anti-Asian

15:31

racists. There's certain people that have hateful

15:34

ideology in this country, just in certain

15:36

percentage of them in the world. So

15:39

those are real. And when Obama

15:41

became president, those people became more

15:43

emboldened. And he said that he

15:45

saw a lot more of that

15:47

online and a lot more attacks,

15:50

and especially in uncensored

15:52

online forums like 4chan and

15:54

places where you can kind of get

15:56

away with saying whatever the fuck you want. He said he

15:58

saw a lot more of that. on the streets

16:01

and he said this is probably why he

16:03

believed Michelle Obama didn't want to run for president

16:05

because she experienced so much of that hate

16:07

while they're in the White House. Forget about hate

16:09

for their their policies and

16:12

what you think about them as

16:14

president and vice and first lady

16:16

but the racism hate. So

16:18

his perspective as a black guy was like

16:20

you had to be a black person to realize

16:22

how angry people were that there was a black

16:25

guy who was president because that was real too.

16:28

It was real that racism in American

16:30

racial relations in America had changed radically

16:32

since the 1960s certainly since the 1920s

16:34

and 30s and

16:37

and over the years has kept getting

16:39

better but in his mind there

16:42

was something that happened where when Barack

16:44

Obama got into the White House that

16:47

the real hardcore racist got very vocal

16:49

and he experienced it and

16:51

I think this is akin

16:54

in some ways to what's going

16:56

on with anti-semitism online because

16:59

I think there's always been a certain amount

17:01

of people in this country and in the

17:04

world that are like deeply anti-semitic and

17:07

they just don't like Jews and

17:09

when something happens where all the

17:12

sudden now it's okay to criticize

17:14

Jews because of Israel's position in

17:16

Gaza and what they've done now

17:18

you see anti-semitism just pop out

17:20

of the woodwork. I think

17:22

there's something like that where people feel

17:25

emboldened to talk about things so like

17:27

maybe we just don't have an accurate account of

17:29

how fucked up some people are but

17:32

the general population and whether you're

17:34

conservative or whether you're liberal

17:38

everybody kind of agrees that racism

17:40

is a stupid thing there's amazing

17:42

people of all ethnicities and colors

17:45

and you should judge people like

17:47

Martin Luther King said by the content of their

17:49

character we all agree that but there's

17:53

a certain amount of people that are

17:55

always going to be racist but when

17:57

you start looking for it everywhere and

18:00

And saying everything is racist, first of

18:02

all, you are, it's an

18:04

insult to real racism. It's

18:06

an insult to the people that are the

18:08

victims of real racism. When you consider microaggressions

18:10

or cutting in line in front of you

18:12

to get ice cream, there's

18:15

people that are real victims of racism. And

18:18

pretending that everything is racist just

18:20

minimizes that and in fact probably

18:22

makes more people racist. It's going

18:24

to make a bunch of dumb

18:26

liberals drop to their

18:28

knees or give you money for reparations but

18:30

it's going to make a bunch of other

18:32

people really resentful and it just polarizes us

18:34

and drives people further and further apart. It's

18:38

just genuinely stupid. It's

18:40

a self-fulfilling prophecy and I think

18:43

that's true what

18:46

he said about, I'm

18:49

sure that when there's a black president that we

18:51

know there are real racists out there, they're anti-black,

18:53

they're anti-white racists but they're

18:55

out there and social

18:58

media was also really coming online around that

19:00

time so people had a forum to express

19:02

this kind of stuff. And

19:05

anonymously. Anonymous. And so yeah, those

19:07

people come out of the woodwork. I'm sure that did happen, I

19:09

don't deny that. The difference though

19:11

is that that

19:13

kind of racism is personal

19:16

and individual. It's

19:18

not systemic. It's not in the

19:20

system. And also

19:24

it's absolutely rejected by

19:27

society. It's absolutely rejected by polite society. So

19:29

there's a reason why they had to go to 4chan

19:31

or whatever to express those views because you can't come

19:34

out in public and say it and if you do

19:36

it, it'll be like the end of whatever your career

19:38

is, it's probably the end of it. And

19:40

that's kind of, that's

19:43

the most, when it comes to, as you said, there's never

19:45

going to be a time when there's no racists in the

19:47

world. So the

19:49

most you can do is, okay, we're not going to have

19:52

this stuff systemically. The system's going to treat

19:54

everybody equally. Great. So we've

19:56

got to go to the list. We've already done that. Actually,

19:58

we've gone too far because we have affirmative action where... Now

20:00

you're discriminating against white and Asian people, but so

20:03

anti-black racism is out of the system. Fantastic,

20:05

that's good. It's

20:08

not accepted by mainstream society. Great.

20:11

And then, so that's kind

20:14

of it. I mean, what else can we

20:16

do with this? You can't get inside people's

20:18

hearts and make them not feel things. Those

20:20

people are gonna be out there. They

20:22

know that it's not accepted in mainstream

20:24

society. And I kind

20:26

of think you could sort of

20:28

move on from it culturally to

20:30

other issues. It's not a major

20:33

issue anymore, but

20:36

they won't allow it. And you're right that

20:38

then it's got this pendulum thing where, okay,

20:41

well, if you go after white people and

20:43

you demonize them relentlessly,

20:46

then you do it practically from birth now through the

20:48

school system, some

20:51

of those white people are gonna end up being

20:53

stricken by guilt, and they're gonna walk around

20:55

feeling like they're guilty for something. That's the

20:57

white guilt liberal thing. But

20:59

then you're gonna have others who kind

21:02

of become exactly what you accuse them of being because they're

21:04

like, oh, you know what? If you're gonna

21:07

call me racist anyway, then you know what? Fine.

21:10

And there's gonna resentment that builds up and then you actually

21:13

create more of it, which I think they're happy about. If

21:16

actual racism is increasing in society, I don't know if

21:18

it is or not, but I think

21:20

the people that call themselves anti-racist are quite

21:22

happy about that. Well, business is booming. But

21:24

the other thing is like, think about Robert

21:27

D'Angelo, who you said just lives in her

21:29

own bubble and really didn't know who you

21:31

were and didn't catch on at any point

21:33

in time that any of this

21:35

stuff was ridiculous. Like, these

21:38

people, if that's all

21:40

you think about and that's all you, like, I

21:42

have friends that live in California and

21:44

every now and then I'll talk to them and

21:47

some politics issue will come up. And

21:49

they give me this fucking CNBC, they

21:53

give me this MSNBC, this fucking

21:55

propaganda viewpoint on something that's so

21:57

wrong, just so... and I just

22:00

go, okay, I can't, like

22:02

you're in. You're

22:04

in your bubble, there's no real

22:06

discourse. There's

22:08

no real, there's no discussions

22:11

about whether or not what these people are saying

22:14

is correct. It's just, you're a part of this

22:16

tribe and this is what you believe. And

22:19

I think that's the case with these anti-racist people

22:21

too. Some of them

22:23

might be like just hardcore grifters. Like

22:25

they could be playing three card money

22:28

or they could just get corporations to give them

22:30

money by saying that everybody's

22:32

racist. There's some people that are definitely like

22:34

that. But there's other people that are just,

22:37

that's their friend group. Like that's

22:39

their social circle. Their social circles, all people

22:41

believe this stupid shit and they all yap

22:43

it to each other and they say it

22:45

like it's a mantra and they pray five

22:48

times a day with it. You

22:50

know, it's really like a religious thing. I think it is

22:52

like a, yeah, I think you're exactly right about that. That's

22:54

why for me, the more, so

22:56

the grifters that are getting paid, why

23:00

they're doing it. Like they're getting paid. A lot

23:02

of them. A lot of them

23:04

are. And even when they're not, there's still power

23:06

and influence and they're being consulted

23:09

as kind of these moral gurus, which

23:11

is very, strokes the ego.

23:14

That's rewarding for the, the more interesting thing

23:16

is what about the people who

23:19

go to those people and

23:21

consult them as moral gurus? I mean, in the movie

23:23

we have this race to dinner where you got these

23:25

white women who sit around

23:27

a table and they invite these other two women,

23:30

Cybert Rau and Regina Jackson, to

23:32

come to dinner. They pay them to come to dinner

23:34

and call them racist for two hours. And

23:37

it's like, why would you subject yourself

23:39

to that? It's so, it seems

23:42

like the most miserable experience to

23:44

volunteer to be broken down and insulted and degraded,

23:46

which is what happened to these women. I mean,

23:48

I saw it. They were, it's like two hours

23:50

of them just getting, you're

23:53

racist, you're racist, you're racist. They

23:55

had to go around the table, confess their racist

23:57

sins. And

23:59

then they all, each go and they say what their

24:01

racist sin, like what's a racist thing you've done recently,

24:04

they all confess and I'm

24:06

listening to it it's like none of you have actually done

24:08

anything racist. I listen to all your stories, none

24:10

of that is racist. There's a woman

24:12

who said that she's married to a black guy and

24:16

she yeah he's

24:18

loud and she tells him to quiet down sometimes. What

24:22

wife has not said that to their husband. I

24:26

get that once a month. Right so what do they think? I

24:30

think my wife is racist. She could be. She

24:33

could be. She's sexist against me. Yeah.

24:35

She's sexist against me. So what are

24:37

they getting out of it? Well they're getting

24:39

out of it first of all they're terrified of

24:41

being called racist so they jump the gun so

24:44

they headed off at the path like I'm gonna

24:46

make sure I'm not racist so I'm gonna become

24:48

an anti-racist. You know I talked

24:50

about this before but when my kids were young

24:52

like my youngest

24:54

was pretty young when they

24:57

started doing this anti-racism thing at

24:59

the school where they said it's

25:02

not enough to be not

25:05

racist. This is actually right after we left

25:07

so it's right after like the George Floyd

25:09

things popped off. They said it's not good

25:12

enough to not be racist you have

25:14

to be anti-racist. You're talking about some

25:16

of these kids in

25:18

that school are six. Like

25:21

what are you saying? It's not enough. What

25:23

are you saying? You saying a six year

25:25

old has to be an anti-racist can't they

25:27

just play with their toys? Can't

25:30

they just go to the park and hang

25:32

out with their friends? Can't they just play

25:34

sports? Can't they just enjoy each other? Six

25:36

year olds don't give a fuck what color

25:38

somebody is. They don't. They all

25:41

just play together. They just want to play

25:43

with the people who are nice to them

25:45

and who they have fun with and laugh

25:48

with. And here you've got some fucking grifter

25:50

who latches themselves onto some school system that's

25:52

filled with all these terrified

25:54

liberals that are just terrified of being

25:57

called out for anything and they're all

25:59

the rules are changing and everybody's

26:01

like, oh! And so they

26:03

bend the knee. They bend

26:05

the knee. And with kids, it's so

26:07

insidious because, yeah, kids don't

26:10

care about race. They

26:12

notice it though, which is fine.

26:15

But then you give them like this complex

26:17

from such a young age, which is

26:20

so unnecessary. And that's why, I mean, I remember

26:22

when my oldest daughter was five, we were at the

26:24

mall or something and a black

26:27

family walked by. And she pointed

26:31

at them and said, why

26:33

are people black? Why

26:36

is their skin like that? She wanted to

26:38

know, why does skin color exist? How

26:42

do some people have different skin color than other people? And

26:45

of course, I told her,

26:47

to be polite, we don't point at people in public.

26:49

So I told her that. But then we

26:51

talked about it. It's OK to wonder

26:54

that. It's OK to notice that. I

26:56

think with these anti-racist people, if

26:58

I was listening to them, I should have, this

27:01

would have been an opportunity for me to give her

27:03

a whole lecture about racism and make her feel really

27:05

bad for noticing that and asking about it. And

27:09

then you create this complex. And

27:12

yeah, fast forward 20 years, and she's one

27:14

of these women at a race

27:16

to dinner. Exactly. It's

27:18

awful. But it's a

27:21

very potent thing. I

27:23

mean, white guilt, the fear

27:25

of being called racist. It's hard for me to understand

27:27

because I get

27:29

called racist all the time, 50,000 times a day.

27:33

And it just rolls off my back. I don't care because

27:35

it's just it's unknown. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't

27:37

mean anything. But for

27:39

you and I, it doesn't mean anything. But for

27:41

a lot of normal people, especially. It's a

27:43

death sentence. Right, to be called that. It's

27:46

the worst thing in the world. They're

27:48

terrified of it. They'd

27:50

rather they literally rather be called anything than

27:53

racist. Yeah. And then so

27:55

for them, once you those kinds of

27:57

people, the

28:00

threat, when being called racist

28:02

is a threat, you can get them to do anything.

28:05

And we've, I mean, spoilers

28:07

or whatever, but in the movie,

28:10

the last thing in the movie when I do

28:12

my own anti-racist workshop with these people, and they're

28:14

all real people, and

28:17

we get them to join in on some

28:19

things that are really like morally

28:21

repugnant because

28:24

they're terrified of being called racist publicly. They

28:27

can't stand that thought. And

28:29

the other thing that happens with kids is if

28:32

you have a thing like you're telling the

28:35

kid they have to be anti-racist, well, some

28:37

kids are going to use that as a

28:40

platform to increase, you

28:42

know, whatever social cred that they have, and

28:44

they get feedback from it. It's

28:47

positive feedback, and they get very vocal, and the more

28:49

vocal, the more people are impressed, and the more work

28:51

they do, the more people are going, you're doing great

28:54

work. And then you get what's essentially like

28:56

the racial version of Greta Thurnberg. Like

28:59

what is that lady? That lady's moral

29:01

outrage at what have you done? How

29:03

dare you? And everybody's like, yes, we

29:06

like what you just did. And so now you

29:08

do it all the time. And so now somehow

29:10

or another, a 16-year-old kid travels all over the

29:12

world telling everybody they're bad, flying

29:15

around in jets, telling everybody they're bad

29:17

for ruining the environment. And she gets

29:19

to feel... Morally

29:21

superior, morally superior, virtuous. And for

29:23

a child to be in a

29:25

position where they become virtuous is,

29:28

you know, they love that. They

29:30

love that. To be in a position where they can

29:32

lecture adults. Yes. Or adults are looking

29:35

to them as authorities. Yes. College

29:37

kids love to do that. The moment they're out of

29:39

their house, the moment they don't have their parents telling

29:41

them what to do anymore, now they can tell other

29:43

people what to do. And it's just like, it's

29:45

one thing that you see online from

29:48

people who have been bullied in the past. People

29:52

that have been picked on and fucked with,

29:54

boy, they like to do it to people,

29:57

like online, on Twitter mobs. They like to

29:59

jump in. And I know a lot of people

30:01

that have, I've known a lot of people that have

30:03

engaged in these things. I've known them personally.

30:06

These feeble, weak, terrified

30:08

men, and they say

30:10

the most heinous things

30:12

about people, like uncharitable,

30:14

not knowing like what kind of

30:16

response these words are going to

30:18

have in that person. And

30:21

they bully these people because they've been hurt. You

30:23

know, it's that hurt people, hurt people thing. That's

30:26

what it is. They don't think it's

30:28

as bad as bullying, like in real life,

30:30

bullying is terrible. You're going to hit somebody? How dare

30:32

you, you fucking monster? Well, you're emotionally

30:34

scarring people online every day and you

30:36

think you're doing it through this. It's

30:40

like one of the things, Elon's

30:42

talked about this, that one of

30:44

the things that Woke does, it

30:46

allows really mean people. This ideology

30:48

allows really mean, shitty people to

30:50

have a virtuous way of expressing

30:52

that. Yeah, I

30:54

think that's right. And also the internet,

30:58

I mean the whole idea that the internet isn't real, you

31:00

hear it all the time. That's why I hate

31:02

when people say, well, Twitter isn't real life. And

31:05

I understand what's meant by that when people say that, but

31:07

it actually is real life because these

31:10

are human beings who are communicating with each

31:12

other. Now, there are bots too, but if

31:15

you're a human being on Twitter saying something,

31:18

that's real life. It's not fake. This isn't

31:20

happening in some kind of dream world.

31:24

But then people think that, well, okay, if I just say

31:26

this on Twitter, I put it in a YouTube comment section

31:29

and it's this heinous, awful thing. It

31:31

doesn't count. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person because it's not real

31:33

life. Which is like, that's like

31:37

writing on a loose leaf paper, calling someone a

31:39

piece of shit and handing it to them. And

31:42

then they get mad at you and you say, hey man,

31:44

it's the paper, it's not real life. It

31:46

just happened on the paper. It's

31:49

a method for communicating. And

31:51

so I think people have been conditioned

31:54

that in this world, it's like a moral exception.

31:56

So you can do and say whatever you want

31:59

and you don't have to feel bad. about it. And then it

32:01

turns people into sociopaths after a while I think.

32:03

I think it does too. And I also think

32:05

it ramps up anxiety in a huge way for

32:07

the people that are actually engaging in it. You

32:10

know, the people that actually do it, I

32:12

think they're just fully anxious all day long.

32:14

And I think it's terrible for mental health.

32:17

Even if you're like quote unquote winning these

32:19

verbal battles online that you're engaging in, I

32:21

think it's terrible for everybody. It's

32:23

really terrible for the people that are

32:25

just like all day long negative. Like

32:27

there's an arguing with people. Like why

32:29

do you want that in your life?

32:31

That's a very unusual position to be

32:33

in where all day long you're in

32:35

conflict. That's only war. In

32:37

the real world, most of the day,

32:39

there's no conflict. That's why conflict is

32:42

so uncomfortable because it's so unusual. If

32:44

you're used to conflict with people all the time and you see

32:46

some guy and he's like, fuck you. No, fuck you. But

32:49

if you're not used to someone saying, fuck you. And then all of a

32:51

sudden, hey, fuck you. And you're like, what? Like you're

32:53

terrified. You're freaked out. Like what's going on? Oh my

32:56

God, this is conflict. The kind

32:58

of conflict, verbal conflict that people engage

33:00

in online all day long has the

33:02

same sort of effects on your psyche.

33:04

You are perceiving the world to be

33:06

this. This is one of the things

33:08

that's so polarizing about this particular election,

33:10

right? That people are willing to

33:12

accept propaganda because it feeds into

33:15

their view of the world, which

33:17

is that they're engaged in this

33:19

moral battle, good

33:21

versus evil. And both sides think they're good and

33:23

both sides think the other side is going to

33:25

be the end of the world. And

33:28

it's accentuated heavily by mentally

33:31

ill people that are on

33:33

Twitter all day long. Yeah,

33:36

I'm one of them. So

33:38

he's fine. But

33:40

I mean, I am guilty of some of this. I

33:43

do. I'm on it way too much, first of all, but

33:46

I, but then I have my excuse, which is as

33:48

part of my job, your job. I

33:51

do often think if I didn't do this for a living at all, I

33:54

don't think I'd be on any of this stuff. I think

33:56

I'd be off everything. Yeah. If I was

33:58

not a quote unquote public. I would be

34:01

off everything. Because I don't know if you have

34:03

a problem. If I go on vacation or something and I'm

34:05

taking time, I have no issue putting it down. I

34:07

have no compulsion to look at it. In fact, I

34:09

have to, when I come off vacation, it's effort to

34:11

get back, it's like, okay,

34:14

I got to get back into this again. It

34:16

takes me a couple days, and then after a couple days, now it's a compulsion

34:18

again. But I have to

34:20

reignite this weird compulsion to constantly look at

34:23

my phone. I have a

34:25

problem, too, in that I'm a comedian and

34:27

that I'm also a gold miner, right? So

34:29

what that means is when I'm going through my

34:31

newsfeed, my newsfeed is the thing I'm the most

34:34

addicted to. I'm mining for gold. Like, what's going

34:36

on here? What'd they do? They did what? They

34:39

fucking what? And I need those.

34:41

Those are really important to me. Because

34:43

those can be my next hour of

34:45

standup. Those can be, they're chunks. And

34:48

it's not every day. It's like, I can go

34:50

through 30 days of nonsense and just not one

34:52

thing. But every now and then, there's a chunk

34:55

of gold in there. I'm like, oh, I got

34:57

one. And then I put that in my notes

34:59

and I justify endless

35:02

scrolling to get to those gold

35:04

nuggets. But if you didn't do any of this

35:06

for a living, if you just worked at Lowe's or something and you

35:08

know, do you think you'd still be? The

35:10

problem is I'd still be me. And I still have this

35:14

really intense curiosity. I'm

35:17

really curious about all kinds of things. There's so

35:19

many subjects I'm really, really interested in. I

35:22

mean, I would for sure still be paying

35:24

attention to science

35:26

issues and space travel and

35:29

new discoveries in the universe. And there's a

35:31

bunch of stuff that I would just be,

35:34

ancient history, ancient civilizations. I would be, there's

35:36

no way I would not be fascinated by them because they

35:38

almost have nothing to do with my job. Yeah,

35:40

I think I would be the same, but I don't

35:42

think I'd feel the need to, I

35:45

would like to absorb all that interesting information, but I

35:47

wouldn't feel the need to say, hey world, here's what

35:49

I think about this. Right. I would just absorb it.

35:51

The problem is if you do and you do it

35:53

just once and then you get feedback and then people

35:55

say, hey, I really like what you posted. And like,

35:57

oh great. And then all of a sudden you're

35:59

connected. And then you're like looking for this

36:01

feedback so you're trying to post things to get

36:03

likes and you're trying to post things to get

36:05

reposts and get comments and You're engaging in the

36:07

comments and now now it's now you're fucked now.

36:10

You're locked into this weird Ecosystem

36:12

with these people you don't even know they might

36:14

be all stupid They might be all

36:16

you know really annoying people that you would avoid in real life

36:18

like if you work with them You're like go. There's Tom and

36:21

get the fuck out of it, and you go to the other

36:23

side of the office But now

36:25

you're engaging with them people that you

36:27

avoid having conversations with you are now

36:30

Like in mortal combat

36:32

with words on Twitter It's

36:35

fucking stupid and not only that but their

36:37

engagement with you is is cheap. It's uh

36:40

They don't care that much So even

36:42

if someone gives you positive feedback, and they say oh that was

36:44

a great tweet They've forgotten about it

36:47

two seconds later Right you're just they're just scrolling you're

36:49

just the latest thing they saw and then they're scrolling

36:51

and they've already forgotten about it They don't care if

36:54

they cuss you out because they're mad at you same

36:56

deal. They forgot about it two seconds later, so Yeah,

36:59

I guess it could be kind of intoxicating you get

37:01

the engagement, but then it

37:04

doesn't matter and that's one of the That's

37:06

one of the things that makes it so so toxic

37:08

is how sort of like nihilistic all is that's why?

37:12

This was this never was an issue before but now I feel like when

37:14

I go on social media I'm

37:17

constantly seeing these Horrific

37:20

videos of people dying like

37:23

snuff films are

37:25

all over social media now

37:27

and it feels like a relatively recent

37:30

development and That's

37:33

really horrible what it does. I don't even think

37:35

we quite understand what it's doing to our minds

37:37

I actually think we are are all traumatized from

37:39

it I don't use the word trauma loosely, but

37:42

what's what's traumatizing is not only are you seeing somebody die?

37:45

But it's a context. It's like You

37:49

see this horrible video someone just got shot, and

37:51

then you keep scrolling and

37:54

a second later you're Reading

37:56

something about whatever you know a celebrity

37:58

news or you're one watching a cat

38:00

video. Right. So it's like

38:02

this, it's this horrific human thing that happened, but

38:05

for you it's just content, you absorb it that

38:07

way. And

38:09

I don't know, after a while of

38:11

just absorbing human suffering in this way,

38:13

it's gotta mess with your mind.

38:16

Of course it does. I mean,

38:18

you're the product of what you take in, even

38:20

if that information is like low

38:22

impact, it's not the same impact as being there

38:24

when the hit men show up and gun the

38:26

guys down in front of the cafe. I've

38:29

seen these videos where it's just mass

38:31

shootings. This one video I saw

38:33

the other day of some gang violence situation,

38:35

these guys drove by, gunned these guys down,

38:37

and then the guys started shooting back and

38:39

they were all shot while they're shooting back,

38:41

and then the car backs up and then

38:43

they gunned them down more. Yeah, same. It's

38:45

fucking crazy. Same that way. But it's not

38:47

the same as being there. If you were there, that would haunt

38:50

you for the rest of your life. If you were across the

38:52

street and you watched that happen, you watched these people die, it

38:54

would haunt you for the rest of your life. But

38:56

it just, you get a little blip. Instead of getting 100% dose,

38:58

you get a little 1% dose, a

39:01

little 1% dose, and you get them all day long. And by

39:03

the end of the day, you're just like, what the fuck is

39:05

the world? Yeah. But

39:08

it's the thing, it kind of should haunt you for the rest

39:10

of your life. Right. It's a horrible

39:12

thing to see. But it's like Twitter in

39:14

that it's not a full experience. Like

39:17

the full experience, if you were having the kind

39:19

of exchanges that some people have with each other

39:21

where they're just ruthlessly insulting and shitty to people,

39:24

if you were having those in person, there's a

39:26

high probability that that's gonna lead to violence. Actual

39:29

violence. Like if two men are in

39:31

a room and one man starts insulting

39:33

this other person really viciously

39:36

and talking about their life and their family and all

39:38

kinds of crazy shit that people do online, there's

39:41

a probability, it's more than 0% that

39:44

this is gonna result in violence. But

39:47

there's zero possibility of it online.

39:49

It's just a free shot. And

39:52

that's a part of the problem as well, is that it's

39:55

not a real human interaction.

39:58

So you're getting like these little doses. of

40:00

shittiness from people, but you're not getting this one

40:02

burst where you and this guy are about to

40:04

throw down because he's like,

40:06

he's insulting you to the point where like this

40:09

person is actually dangerous. Like this is actually,

40:11

this person hates me. Like this could

40:13

be a real bad situation here. And

40:15

I think much like that

40:17

exists on Twitter where you have these little

40:19

shitty interactions, it's like 1% of real hate

40:22

and it just adds up over time. That's

40:24

the same thing as seeing violence, seeing

40:26

all these executions, seeing all these botched

40:29

robberies, seeing all these people that get

40:31

murdered in some third world

40:33

country. You

40:35

just get a little tiny piece of it

40:38

all the time and it normalizes it. It's

40:41

probably really, really bad for us.

40:45

Do you pay attention to what people say about you online? No. You

40:48

never do that? No. You never

40:51

search for Joe Rogan and never? Nope. Nope.

40:54

Shouldn't do it. Yeah. It's

40:56

not good for you. It's not good for you because I've done it on occasion.

41:00

It's nothing but if you want

41:02

to just destroy your self

41:04

image, you could do it pretty quickly. Well that's what

41:06

they want. That's what people want to do when

41:08

they say things like that. Like this is my opinion. And

41:10

you know, a lot of it is like really out of

41:12

line. Like a lot of it is

41:14

just like the worst possible, like I said before, like

41:17

the least charitable takes, the least

41:19

nuanced, this ridiculous caricature of

41:21

a human being just to

41:24

try to demonize

41:28

them to make yourself look

41:30

virtually or virtuously superior.

41:33

It's just dumb. It's a dumb way for people

41:35

to communicate and the kind of people that do it are

41:38

all losers. There's no like really

41:40

exceptional, fascinating people that engage in that kind

41:42

of stuff. Well the thing that gets me,

41:44

I don't mind, when people insult

41:46

me, I don't care. I'm

41:49

used to it. It's the lies.

41:51

Like when I see something about myself that's

41:54

just a straight up lie. Totally

41:56

made up. And then it picks up

41:58

traction and people are sometimes. It could be

42:00

someone photoshopping a tweet that I never said

42:03

or whatever, anything. That

42:06

stuff still

42:08

bothers me. Then

42:11

I try to tell myself, it shouldn't bother me. But at the same

42:13

time, it should. It's normal for a

42:15

person to be bothered when you're

42:18

being lied about and other people are believing

42:20

a lie. I think it's a normal human

42:22

reaction that I'm like, I don't want... That's

42:24

not fair. It's not true. You

42:26

could attack me for things that I really have said and done. You

42:29

can't do that. That's not true. But

42:33

then at a certain point, you just have to sort of give

42:35

into it and realize this is the way the internet

42:37

works, I guess. Well,

42:39

it's also who knows who's doing it. And at

42:42

this point in time, we have to accept the

42:44

reality of propaganda. And

42:46

that there... We've talked about

42:48

this ad nauseam, but I'll say it again.

42:50

There was an FBI, a former analyst did

42:53

some sort of a study on Twitter where

42:56

he was estimating the amount of bots

42:58

versus... This is right around the time when Elon was

43:00

saying that it's more than 5%. He

43:02

said he thinks it's about 80%. He thinks

43:05

80% of the accounts. Yeah, 80% of the

43:07

accounts are fake accounts, which

43:09

just stop and think about if you're

43:11

in a country. Let's

43:14

imagine you want the politics of

43:16

America to swing in a certain

43:19

direction because we most certainly

43:21

do this in other countries. We

43:23

don't have to educate people on

43:25

the long history of interventionalist foreign

43:28

policy where we have gone in

43:30

and installed new leaders

43:32

of countries and organized

43:35

all kinds of shit. So we

43:37

do it, and we do it, and we know they do

43:39

it. But isn't it like the cheapest way to do it?

43:41

Wouldn't it be to do it on social media? And

43:43

if you did it, why would you do it like one account?

43:45

Why wouldn't you have a million accounts? I would have a million

43:48

accounts. Like you just got to get a computer

43:50

that keeps making new accounts. When

43:52

you run a program, it's not the most difficult thing

43:54

to do. For people that know how to actually code

43:56

operating systems, you don't think there's someone out there that

43:58

can code a computer program. that can

44:01

operate millions of different Twitter accounts

44:03

and you run it through some

44:05

sort of AI

44:07

that you've developed some large language model on

44:09

things to say about MAGA or things to

44:11

say about abortion or things to say about

44:13

Conservatives or things to say about liberals and

44:16

you put a fucking American flag and you're

44:18

a little bio and or you put a

44:20

pronoun thing he her zeezer whatever

44:22

it is and then you just

44:25

flood the internet with fake anger

44:27

and fake discourse and

44:29

you lie about people and you

44:32

Anytime there's a post about anything controversial you

44:34

insert something in there that gets people even

44:36

more riled up You could

44:38

get people you could swing the vote you could

44:40

swing the vote in one way or another especially

44:42

with fence sitters With people that are

44:44

not sure like I don't know is Trump really

44:46

the answer and then you get online and you

44:49

see all this hateful shit or you

44:51

might get on a MAGA forum you know the There

44:54

are they are eating cats He

44:56

was telling the truth ABC's biased and you could

44:58

swing it one way or the other and I

45:00

think they're all trying to manipulate it all

45:03

these foreign Governments and I think internally in

45:05

the United States I'm sure there are groups

45:07

that are doing it too that are manipulating

45:09

things in one way or the other in

45:12

a disingenuous way because it's Available and

45:15

I don't know how to stop it. I think the only

45:17

way for you to not personally be

45:19

really Affected

45:22

by it is you have to understand that it

45:24

exists and then you have to Recognize

45:27

that you know some of these takes are not

45:29

even real human beings So instead of saying Jesus

45:31

Christ people who think that way go Maybe

45:34

not like maybe this isn't maybe there's a few

45:36

people to think that way But you're being led

45:38

to believe that it's a huge movement of people

45:40

when it might not be but the problem is

45:42

when it Even if it's

45:44

fake people are so stupid that even if

45:46

it's a fake thing That becomes

45:48

a bit of a movement online with fake

45:50

dumb people will jump in there and then

45:53

it'll become a real thing Yeah,

45:55

like you're aware of the the

45:57

free bleeding movement that Chan

46:00

pushed. Yeah, I

46:02

think I heard of that. It became kind of

46:04

real, didn't it? It became real, that's what I'm

46:07

saying. Or flat earth is the same thing. It

46:09

became a joke if people were fucking around at

46:11

first. We've known the earth has not been flat

46:13

for a long ass time and

46:15

then... But now that's totally real, right? Now

46:17

it's totally real. Now there's massive groups of

46:19

people that think the earth is flat. Which

46:21

isn't... I can't. I can't. I don't

46:24

know how that... Yeah. Yeah, you can't. But

46:26

the thing is, that's how dumb people are.

46:29

That you can have a fake thing and

46:31

say it enough times and enough people jump

46:33

in and be on board with it

46:35

and then it becomes a real thing. And then you don't

46:37

even have to use propaganda anymore.

46:39

These morons are doing it for you. The

46:42

thing that gets me about the flat earth thing is... Because

46:44

I didn't realize that it was a real thing until, I don't know, a

46:46

few years ago. I did. I

46:49

posted something about it. And

46:51

all these comments from real

46:54

people that... What gets

46:56

me is... Well, you have the people that say, yeah, I think

46:58

the earth's flat. And that's... You're just really stupid. But

47:01

I was more fascinated by the

47:03

80% of people who...

47:06

80% of the flat earth crowd.

47:08

80% of them, their take was, well, I'm not saying

47:14

the earth is flat, but I'm

47:17

open to it. I'm open to the

47:19

possibility. I get it if

47:22

you're just completely stupid and you got sucked into

47:24

this cult thing. But what I

47:26

don't get is how can you be on the

47:28

fence about the shape of the earth?

47:31

Well, it's just people that really are not

47:33

educated. That's number one.

47:35

And people that believe that there's

47:38

a collusion that's so large that

47:40

all of the space agencies from

47:42

Japan, from China, from Russia, all

47:45

of them are liars. That

47:47

all of them are colluding together to hide

47:50

the true shape of the earth. Because if

47:52

we really knew the earth is flat, then

47:54

it always is connected

47:57

to some sort of a Bible thing. it's

48:00

the firmament and they believe that we're

48:02

hiding the fact that God is real

48:04

and somehow there's some mass

48:07

conspiracy that all these world governments and

48:09

every person that ever was involved in

48:11

the space agencies, they've all hid from

48:13

us. Yeah. And

48:17

the moon landing, you're not a... you

48:19

believe in the moon landing, right? I used to believe in the

48:21

moon landing. You don't anymore? I had a joke in my act

48:23

about it that before COVID, I would have told you vaccines are

48:25

the most important invention in human history and after COVID, I'm like,

48:28

I don't think we went to the moon. Yeah,

48:30

I know that was in your act, but you actually think

48:32

that. I think there is a less than zero possibility that

48:34

we did not go to the moon. Oh my gosh.

48:37

I know. Why do you think we went to

48:39

the moon? Because it's exactly what you just said about... there's

48:42

a lot of reasons, but the

48:44

main thing is what you just said about the earth. The

48:48

vastness of the conspiracy that would be

48:50

required to fake that, it's

48:52

so vast that it's just... it's

48:55

a lot more incredible to believe that we faked it

48:57

than to believe that we just went... and go into

48:59

the moon, don't get... it's a massive achievement. But

49:04

I think the greatest human achievement of all time. But

49:07

even so, to fake it, would he be

49:09

even more massive? Because

49:12

not only would you need all of

49:14

these space agencies and all the different

49:16

whatever people and American institutions to be

49:18

colluding, but you'd also need foreign

49:20

governments, including adversarial foreign governments, who

49:23

at this point certainly would know we faked it and for

49:26

some reason haven't blown the lid on it. So

49:28

they're letting us take this achievement that

49:30

they know... why haven't the Russians come

49:33

out and say... All those things you're saying

49:35

are true. I don't argue with any of the things

49:37

you're saying. But one of the things that

49:39

I think you have to consider is if

49:41

it's not possible for human beings

49:44

to safely go through the Van

49:46

Allen radiation belts and out into

49:48

deep space without much protection and

49:50

face the temperatures that are on the surface of

49:52

the moon, which get up to 250 degrees and

49:54

250 degrees below zero in the shadows. There's

50:00

no environment there. It's hostile,

50:02

beyond belief. Micro meteorites

50:04

are flying into the moon all the time. They're

50:07

flying through space all the time. We've

50:09

never had a single biological

50:11

organism go out into deep space,

50:13

pass the Van Allen radiation belts, and then

50:16

come back to Earth and come back alive,

50:18

except human beings during the

50:20

Apollo missions. Every single

50:22

space station mission, every single space

50:24

shuttle mission, all of them are inside

50:26

350 miles from the Earth's surface. The

50:30

only time human beings have ever been past

50:32

that and through the Van Allen radiation belts

50:34

was the Apollo missions. We

50:36

were the only humans that were ever able to

50:38

do that. The Russians never figured out how to

50:40

do it. No one else figured out

50:42

how to do it, but the Apollo astronauts. We

50:44

did it seven times, six successfully, from 1969 to

50:47

1972. If

50:51

you said to me, do you think that they

50:53

could fake the moon landing today, I would

50:55

say no. I would say no, no, no, no. People

50:57

are going to be able to track it. It's

51:00

very easy. They have satellites.

51:03

They're going to know everything. But

51:05

in 1969, the technology was so

51:07

crude that when they first showed

51:09

the Apollo 11 landing, they

51:12

didn't even show a direct feed to the

51:14

networks. So like if you're on CBS News,

51:17

you don't get a direct feed. What you

51:19

do is you point a camera at a

51:21

projection screen. So that's why the film looks

51:23

so shitty. The camera is pointed to a

51:25

projection screen where you see the astronauts jumping

51:27

around on the moon. And you

51:30

see this weird, grainy

51:33

third generation image, right?

51:37

And we did it, and we have never done it since.

51:39

And we've always said we're going to do it, and

51:41

no one's ever even come close. No one's ever

51:43

even gone into deep space since 1972. We

51:46

also haven't been trying. We haven't been trying. But

51:49

we always talk about going back, including Herbert

51:51

Walker Bush talked about going back. George W.

51:53

talked about going back. They all talk about

51:56

going back, but nobody ever gets anywhere. Well,

51:58

I think that's because we lost

52:00

the spirit and

52:02

hunger for discovery. We didn't just lose that. We

52:04

lost all the technology from the Saturn V rocket.

52:07

They don't even have that anymore. In fact, they

52:09

don't even have the original film. They

52:11

erased all the original footage of the Apollo

52:13

missions. So you just have copies of everything.

52:15

You could develop the technology again. You can

52:17

do all that. Sure you could. If

52:20

you can get through the Van Allen radiation

52:22

belts into deep space with human beings and

52:24

have them safely come back. But I think

52:26

what you're describing to me, all that does

52:29

is highlight how incredible the achievement was. If

52:32

they did it. Right. If they did

52:34

it. Well, here's the main point. There's

52:37

no evidence because saying

52:40

that it was a hoax is

52:42

an assertion of it's not just

52:45

denying an event. You're asserting a whole

52:47

other event that you say happened instead.

52:50

And there is evidence that we

52:53

went to the moon. Now someone

52:55

who's a skeptic might say, it's not enough

52:57

evidence or it's not good evidence. There's like

52:59

evidence. There's eyewitnesses. There's people that went and

53:01

came back and told us. There's

53:04

footage. There's a lot. There is

53:06

evidence. But there's no evidence of the

53:08

hoax. No one has come and said,

53:10

here's my affirmative evidence that

53:12

this hoax happened. It's

53:14

never happened as

53:17

far as I'm aware. No one's ever provided that evidence. I

53:19

see what you're trying to say. The

53:22

evidence that they went to the moon,

53:24

there's a bunch. There's moon rocks. That's

53:27

one. There's lunar reflectors that they placed

53:29

on the moon. That's another. And

53:32

there's a couple of problems with those. First

53:34

of all, the Soviets put laser

53:38

reflectors on the moon as well. And

53:40

also, the moon itself, in many places where

53:42

you shine lasers on it, it bounces back

53:45

by itself. The reflective quality of the moon,

53:47

the reason why the moon is so

53:49

bright and white in the sky when the sun hits it, there's

53:51

a certain amount of, you get a

53:53

certain amount of bounce back off of different things

53:56

with lasers. There's

53:58

some photographs that are interesting. What

54:00

was it was the India? What was the

54:02

one where they got the most high resolution

54:05

photos of the lander? Wikipedia

54:07

right now of all third-party evidence

54:09

of the Apollo mission one

54:12

of things that's interesting is they gave a moon rock

54:14

to Was it

54:16

a prime minister of Holland is that what it was

54:18

which one was the moon rock they gave it turned

54:20

out to be petrified wood So

54:22

the Apollo astronauts gave a moon

54:24

rock to some foreign dignitary and

54:27

it turned out to be a piece of petrified

54:29

wood They

54:31

do have samples of moon

54:34

rocks that came from the moon But

54:36

we also have those on earth in fact, we're on

54:38

brawn in 1968

54:41

I believe went to an artica. There's all

54:43

these photographs of him in Antarctica Antarctica is

54:45

a great place to take moon rocks because

54:48

Antarctica is just just gigantic sheet of white

54:50

and you can spot the meteorites in the

54:52

ground. So this is the photo And

54:55

this is from what what is this from? What

54:58

is the So

55:00

this is an India India Indian space

55:03

research organizations I don't know how to

55:05

say that word Shandrayaan

55:07

to orbiter captured

55:09

images of NASA's Apollo 11 and

55:12

12 landing sites and lunar modules

55:14

from a hundred kilometer altitude Apollo

55:17

12 image astronaut boots tracks are still

55:19

even visible due to the recent interest in

55:21

another post I shared decided

55:23

download out of view the raw

55:25

imagery So that looks like there's

55:28

some kind of thing on the

55:30

moon. It's pretty good evidence. It is

55:32

evidence of something's on the moon It's not evidence of

55:34

human beings went through the moon. See

55:36

we have things that are on the moon. We

55:38

have things on Mars right now Well, I think

55:40

it's things that were we would shot things into

55:42

space for sure Yeah, but it's evidence. It's

55:45

not proof in and of itself, but it is

55:47

evidence Listen, I'm not saying we didn't go to

55:49

the moon What I'm saying is the subject is

55:52

complex and it's not even a little complex. It's

55:54

really complex There's a documentary called the

55:56

funny thing happened on the way to the moon this

55:58

guy Bart Sabrel. He's been obsessed He was

56:00

a yes on the show too. Been obsessed about this his

56:02

whole life and absolutely believes that we never went to the

56:04

moon. And there's

56:07

enough shit that you go, okay, if he's

56:09

right about any of these things, it's weird.

56:12

One of the things was some of the photographs of the

56:14

moon, they ran through one of those AI

56:17

detectors that can tell you whether or

56:19

not something's false or artificially generated. And

56:23

it showed different images from, I think it

56:25

was a Chinese satellite of the moon. They

56:27

said this is legitimate, but then it got

56:29

to these Apollo images and they said these

56:31

have been doctored. This AI program, they ran...

56:33

Who's a Pussa? This AI program that they ran... All the images

56:35

or a few of them? A few of them. But

56:38

then other ones were found to be authentic. I don't think so.

56:40

I think they only ran a few images through. See

56:42

if you can find those Jamie. Find what they

56:44

did. Again, this is not saying that we didn't

56:47

go to the moon. It could be. And

56:49

this was a fact with the Gemini 15 program

56:52

where Michael Collins, there was a

56:54

photograph of Michael Collins that they

56:56

took in one

56:58

of his training exercises where he

57:01

had those packs

57:03

that they put on where they can move around while they're doing

57:05

moonwalks, not

57:08

moonwalks, spacewalks outside of where they're connected

57:10

by a tether. And

57:12

he was in this harness and

57:14

manipulating this device. And what they

57:16

had done is taken a photograph

57:18

of him training and then someone,

57:21

probably some overzealous PR person, had

57:23

taken that photograph and then blacked

57:25

out the background and tried

57:28

to pass it off as a

57:30

really clear photograph of him out

57:33

there on a spacewalk, which is probably very difficult

57:35

to get. You'd have to have another person at

57:37

the camera frame it right. They had this photo.

57:39

They're like, look, he did it. Let's just

57:41

pass this off as the real thing. Which

57:43

is, you're also talking about the Nixon administration

57:46

where they were just full of shit constantly.

57:49

Yes. Yeah.

57:53

So there's different video where they

57:55

ran it through and they

57:57

said it was real and it was that it was a

58:00

the Chinese program, but

58:02

when they ran the American ones, the American images,

58:04

they said that they were doctored. Again,

58:06

it doesn't mean that we didn't

58:09

go to the moon, but it does mean, okay,

58:11

there's that. That's weird. Have

58:13

you ever seen the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference? Yeah.

58:16

It looks like a hostage video. It looks like

58:18

a bunch of guys who don't want to be

58:20

there. They look real fucking nervous and they look

58:23

real deceptive. If you watch that video, it's weird.

58:26

But I think that's just, that's the temperament it requires

58:28

to do something like that. It's crazy. It's

58:31

almost suicidal to go to the moon. You

58:34

have to be barely even a

58:36

human psychologically to

58:38

do it. That to

58:40

me is just like, and they just went through this whole experience, but

58:42

who knows what that does to the human psyche? To

58:46

even just be in the vastness of

58:48

space, even on the space station, I

58:50

feel like that would change me as

58:52

a person. Not necessarily for

58:54

the best. There's actually a psychological condition

58:56

that they talk about, this sort of

58:58

understanding that we're all connected. It's

59:02

akin to a religious experience that many astronauts get

59:04

when they go up to the space station and

59:06

look down at the earth and go, oh my

59:08

God, what are we doing? We're all together in

59:11

this thing and we're so alone in the universe.

59:13

For us to be fighting over these trivial differences

59:15

and these stupid lines in the dirt that we

59:17

draw, when we are just clinging

59:19

to this ball in the middle of everything. So

59:23

then what would you say, or someone who is a

59:26

full on believer? Not a full on believer.

59:28

Someone who is a full on believer in the moon hoax.

59:31

What would they say to my

59:33

other point that there

59:36

is evidence we went to the moon, you can try to nitpick

59:39

the evidence. There is zero evidence

59:41

of a hoax because that's a whole other

59:43

event that would have had to have happened.

59:46

There is no evidence at all, not one

59:48

sliver of evidence ever of that hoax having

59:50

ever happened. But

59:53

I think that's a weird way to frame it. Is

59:55

there evidence of a hoax of

59:57

the JFK assassination that... Harvey

1:00:00

Oswald acted alone? Do you think there's evidence? Well,

1:00:03

but the event itself being that

1:00:05

JFK was killed happened. Right,

1:00:08

but that's not the conspiracy. So the

1:00:10

conspiracy is, did he act alone? And

1:00:13

is there evidence that he didn't act alone? What do you think?

1:00:18

I'm very skeptical that he acted alone, yeah.

1:00:20

Right. But I don't know what happened.

1:00:22

I don't know exactly what happened, nobody does. Exactly. Same

1:00:25

exact perspective. Same exact perspective

1:00:27

about this moon thing. It

1:00:30

may have happened, but this

1:00:32

was a time of deep deception in

1:00:34

the American world. This is a time

1:00:36

after Operation Northwoods, this is a time

1:00:38

after the Kennedy assassination, this is a

1:00:40

time, I mean, this is

1:00:43

a weird fucking shaky time in terms

1:00:45

of propaganda. This is after Eisenhower warned

1:00:47

about the military industrial complex. This is

1:00:49

like, there was a lot of deception.

1:00:51

Gulf of Tonkin incident. There's a lot

1:00:53

of open deception that the American

1:00:55

people were being subject to. And then there's this

1:00:57

Cold War between us and Russia. This

1:01:00

space war for superiority. We

1:01:03

wanted it so bad, we brought in Nazis. But

1:01:06

I think, I mean, the JFK is an

1:01:08

interesting example. Because

1:01:10

yes, there are things that I'm skeptical of that are claimed that

1:01:12

I don't really have evidence that the thing didn't happen, or that

1:01:15

it didn't happen the way they say, but I'm still skeptical. So

1:01:17

I get that. But it

1:01:19

feels different to me because the JFK

1:01:21

assassination did happen. The question is,

1:01:23

how did it happen? But

1:01:25

if we're going to assert that a

1:01:28

major historical event and probably

1:01:30

the greatest, the most significant historical event in history over one

1:01:32

of them did not happen at all,

1:01:35

no one did it, then like I

1:01:37

said, so what you're actually

1:01:39

claiming is that some other thing, they

1:01:42

went somewhere and they pulled off this hoax and they planned

1:01:44

it and they did, like an event happened where they were

1:01:46

faking it. And so

1:01:48

what I would want to see,

1:01:51

has anybody come out, any whistleblower ever

1:01:53

to say, hey, I was involved in

1:01:55

the shoot or I'm in Hollywood,

1:01:57

I talked to a guy who was there. Well,

1:02:00

that's not even evidence. Real

1:02:03

evidence would be some sort of documentation, some

1:02:05

sort of a way to go

1:02:07

over like there's a

1:02:12

binary code that shows the distance between

1:02:14

the Earth and the lunar module at

1:02:16

every stage of the journey. But

1:02:19

that's missing. That stuff's

1:02:22

missing. All the tracking data, they can't find

1:02:24

it. All the original footage

1:02:26

is missing. And that could just be people who

1:02:28

are really bad with historical items. That's possible. But

1:02:32

to say that faking

1:02:34

the moon landing would be a bigger

1:02:36

achievement than actually going to

1:02:38

the moon, I would say

1:02:41

only if people could actually go to the moon. So

1:02:43

here's the question. Can we really, everyone

1:02:46

wants to dismiss it, can we really

1:02:48

send a biological entity into space, go

1:02:50

through that radiation, which is thick,

1:02:54

covering the Earth and have it come back alive? Well,

1:02:58

supposedly, this is

1:03:00

the only time people had done it. And supposedly,

1:03:02

the way they did it was by going through

1:03:04

the top area of the Earth where

1:03:08

the Van Allen radiation belts, it's like kind

1:03:10

of like a doughnut that covers the Earth.

1:03:13

It's not uniform. And there's

1:03:15

an area at the top where you can go out. But

1:03:18

according to Bartz and Braille, they didn't go that way

1:03:20

because you would have had to launch from Antarctica to

1:03:22

do that. It's not really possible that that happened, that

1:03:24

they went that way. So

1:03:26

he thinks that if they did go through that,

1:03:29

there is no other examples of living things

1:03:34

that have done that and come back alive. And they've

1:03:36

known that this is an issue. They've known that this

1:03:39

Van Allen radiation belt, which is this

1:03:42

band of heavy radiation that covers the

1:03:44

Earth and protects us, they've

1:03:46

known that it's out there because they tried to blow

1:03:48

it up once. There was a

1:03:50

thing called Operation Starfish Prime where they launched

1:03:54

one of several nuclear bombs

1:03:57

into the radiation belt to try to blow

1:03:59

a hole through. it and

1:04:01

unfortunately that happened 60 67 maybe

1:04:03

was starfish prime

1:04:05

but it did the opposite

1:04:11

effect why did they do that just for the

1:04:13

wanted to see what happens and giggles well they

1:04:15

were they had so much power and you know

1:04:17

you've got nuclear bombs and you can't blow people

1:04:19

up but you're still doing studies so they're doing

1:04:21

tests all throughout Nevada and they I mean that's

1:04:23

what killed John Wayne John Wayne got cancer because

1:04:25

he was working on a set doing a Western

1:04:28

right next to where they were blowing up nuclear bombs the

1:04:30

like 200 people on his on

1:04:33

his on the set got cancer starfish prime

1:04:35

high altitude nuclear test conducted by the United

1:04:37

States a joint effort of the atomic energy

1:04:39

Commission and the Defense Atomic Support Agency

1:04:41

July 9th 1962 so this is like while Kennedy

1:04:46

was in office they were trying to figure

1:04:48

out how to we will get to the

1:04:51

moon not in this decade but in the

1:04:53

other or whatever he said high altitude

1:04:55

nuclear test so the thing you did

1:04:58

unfortunately was it supercharged

1:05:00

the bands and it

1:05:02

made it much have much more radiation

1:05:05

not only that it it blew

1:05:07

out power in some parts of Hawaii

1:05:09

I think I think it cooked

1:05:11

it cooked a few satellites right we

1:05:13

talked about this the other day it cooked a few

1:05:16

satellites okay so can I ask this though do

1:05:18

we have examples we're

1:05:21

saying well we don't know if a human can go

1:05:23

through the right I would

1:05:25

say well we do know because they did if they

1:05:27

did well but

1:05:29

if we're gonna we know they sent people into

1:05:31

near-earth orbit that's a fact we know that well

1:05:34

how do we know that if we don't know

1:05:36

I mean maybe this because we actually can see

1:05:38

that we can see where they launched

1:05:40

you can follow the trajectory you can know

1:05:42

about the propulsion units that they use you

1:05:44

know about what they were trying to accomplish

1:05:46

and you could watch it so my question

1:05:48

is have we tried to

1:05:51

send humans through the radiation belt and

1:05:53

not been able to has that

1:05:56

happened they never even tried that they

1:05:58

just did it Right.

1:06:01

That's what's even crazier. But how do we know they did

1:06:03

it? If they

1:06:05

only time they did it, the last time they did it was

1:06:07

1972. You

1:06:10

don't think that's a little weird? Not

1:06:12

really. No, no, no, listen, listen. Even

1:06:14

if they did go to the moon, let's say, I'll

1:06:16

say they went to the moon, it's fucking weird. Everything

1:06:20

from 1969 is easier, cheaper, and

1:06:22

faster to reproduce today except

1:06:24

the moon landing, except space travel. I just don't think

1:06:26

there's a will. But we thought, what? I don't

1:06:29

think there's a will. How much fucking resources there is

1:06:31

on the moon? Do you know how many valuable minerals

1:06:33

are on the moon? And trillions of dollars of things

1:06:35

that are very difficult to find in the United States

1:06:37

are on the moon? I don't think the American ...

1:06:39

The people, in the

1:06:42

1960s, the American people cared deeply about

1:06:44

going to the moon. I don't think

1:06:46

that these days, I think we should

1:06:48

care about that, but most people don't care about ... If

1:06:51

we found out that we didn't have to

1:06:53

dig for lithium, that we

1:06:55

could just go to the moon and pull giant

1:06:58

chunks of it out and not have slave labor

1:07:00

and no one has to feel bad about using

1:07:02

your iPhone. You don't think that

1:07:04

they would do that? Of course they would

1:07:06

do that, if they could. If you could have a

1:07:08

mining station on the moon, no problem at all, totally

1:07:11

safe, of course they would do that.

1:07:13

Yeah. And I think ... It only takes two weeks

1:07:16

to get there. People mine in

1:07:18

northern territories, like people in mine

1:07:20

in Canada in these horrible conditions, fucking

1:07:22

freezing cold out. It

1:07:24

probably takes a lot of time to get

1:07:27

to a point where you can do that

1:07:29

consistently. Right, but it's so valuable. The

1:07:31

idea that they wouldn't do that and they haven't done

1:07:33

anything even remotely close to that since 1972 is weird.

1:07:38

I agree that it's ... I

1:07:40

mean, weird makes it sound necessarily nefarious.

1:07:42

I think it's ... No,

1:07:44

just weird. It's very

1:07:47

unusual. It's unusual technologically. It's

1:07:49

incongruent. It's incongruent with technological

1:07:51

progression. We

1:07:53

have that with everything else. Everything else. Phones

1:07:55

are in your fucking pocket now and they

1:07:58

have more computing power than the entire cluster

1:08:00

that they used to launch

1:08:02

the Apollo program. The

1:08:04

Apollo program was a fucking giant room full

1:08:07

of computers. Your phone is significantly

1:08:09

more powerful than that. Everything

1:08:11

else got better, except that. We thought that people were going

1:08:13

to be going to space all the time. You ever watch

1:08:15

that TV show Space 1999 when you were a kid? You're

1:08:19

younger than me. There was a stupid show called Space

1:08:21

1999 and they thought, boy, by 1999 we'll

1:08:24

be flying around spaceships and people will be living on

1:08:26

the moon. Every time

1:08:28

they've done in the past, after the

1:08:31

moon landings, every time they did any

1:08:33

sort of science fiction movie, it always

1:08:36

involved colonies already established on the moon

1:08:38

and on Mars and people traveling.

1:08:40

Because we thought that was going to

1:08:42

happen. Orville and Wilbur Wright, right? Think

1:08:45

about the launch of the first

1:08:47

airplane and then the launch of

1:08:49

the Apollo program. It's only like

1:08:51

60 years. It's

1:08:53

kind of crazy. The launch

1:08:55

of the first airplane ever

1:08:58

and dropping nuclear bombs out

1:09:00

of an airplane is only like, what is it,

1:09:02

50 years? I think it's something

1:09:04

like 50, something kooky. Yeah. 50,

1:09:07

60 years. That's nuts. I agree.

1:09:09

But then now you have supersonic jets, like 100 years later. Now

1:09:12

you have insane capabilities of

1:09:15

like Air Force fighter jets.

1:09:17

Unbelievable power and maneuverability

1:09:19

far beyond anything anybody would

1:09:22

have possibly imagined when Orville

1:09:24

and Wilbur had that stupid

1:09:27

fucking bird looking flimsy thing.

1:09:29

So everything progresses technologically, except

1:09:32

... Well, but

1:09:34

here's what I would say to that. Except traveling

1:09:36

to other planets. I would say two things. Number

1:09:38

one, I think that it just, it does

1:09:40

take ... Yeah, we're kind

1:09:43

of spoiled by the fact that there was

1:09:45

this burst of incredible technological advancement. In everything.

1:09:48

Right. In automobiles. It doesn't necessarily

1:09:50

... Not every facet of technology is going

1:09:52

to continue at that pace forever into an

1:09:55

infinity. So I think it does take,

1:09:58

especially if you take a historical perspective, a longer term

1:10:00

historical perspective, it just takes a while to get from one

1:10:02

thing to the next. It hasn't even been that long. I

1:10:04

mean, 1969 was not that long ago from the historical perspective.

1:10:11

And especially if you want to do the next thing, I mean,

1:10:14

what's the next thing? The next thing is to go to Mars.

1:10:17

Most people agree. That's

1:10:19

so much far exponentially farther away

1:10:21

and harder to do. And

1:10:24

so if it takes decades more to figure out

1:10:26

how to do that, that doesn't seem that crazy

1:10:28

to me. And the second thing I'll say

1:10:30

is that I do think, I get

1:10:32

your point about resources on the moon, there's a reason to go back.

1:10:34

I agree, practically

1:10:37

speaking. But it's

1:10:39

just true that it requires a

1:10:42

society that deeply values

1:10:45

exploration for its own sake and is willing

1:10:47

to make the sacrifices, is willing

1:10:49

to send people

1:10:51

off to do things just for the sake of

1:10:54

exploration, knowing that they might die. I think we

1:10:56

have almost no appetite for that

1:10:58

now. Maybe

1:11:00

the Challenger explosion was, you could

1:11:03

point to that as the time when we sort of

1:11:05

just, we have no appetite for people. We

1:11:07

don't want people to die for this anymore. I see what you're saying. Here's

1:11:09

the problem with what you're saying. The American people don't

1:11:12

get to say, and whether or not we do things,

1:11:14

like they don't get to say, and whether or not we make

1:11:16

a space shuttle. They don't get

1:11:19

to decide whether or not we establish a

1:11:21

new space station. No one

1:11:23

talks about it. They just do it. We

1:11:25

barely get a say in how much money goes to Ukraine.

1:11:28

Yeah, but it's got to be funded. Right, but how much is

1:11:30

funded to go to Ukraine? All of a sudden, they

1:11:32

had $175 billion plus to fund this proxy war. Who

1:11:39

decided that? It wasn't the American people.

1:11:42

It wasn't, but politicians are the ones who

1:11:44

decided. People vote for those politicians. Unfortunately, there

1:11:46

are a lot of Americans who are basically

1:11:49

okay with sending money to Ukraine, which they

1:11:51

shouldn't be. It's insane. I agree with you.

1:11:53

The point is, is that if you

1:11:55

had a skillful politician who got on

1:11:57

television and explained that we have found

1:14:00

terrified of getting Under

1:14:03

the sights of the intelligence agencies And if

1:14:05

you have top-secret clearance if you're involved in

1:14:07

some sort of a project like look at

1:14:09

the Manhattan project People kept their fucking mouth

1:14:11

shut they they knew they had

1:14:14

they were working on something of Importance that

1:14:16

was above and beyond their need to yap

1:14:18

about shit, but you but for the moon

1:14:20

landing you would need way more people involved

1:14:22

I don't know more institutions because you actually

1:14:24

have a real space program so the space

1:14:26

program is not fake right so let's just

1:14:28

assume I'm a non-believer. I

1:14:30

would tell you that the space

1:14:33

program was absolutely real the Saturn

1:14:35

5 rocket was absolutely real the

1:14:38

Modules though the way they were able to parachute

1:14:40

down into the ocean a hundred percent real they

1:14:42

did go into space But how far

1:14:44

did they go this is the real question and Bart

1:14:48

Sibrel the guy who made this

1:14:50

documentary he asserts that they went

1:14:52

somewhere into Earth's orbit Like

1:14:55

you know in space But not through

1:14:57

the van island radiation belt radiation belts

1:14:59

and not to the surface of the

1:15:01

moon and back and that they had

1:15:03

video footage that they had done in

1:15:06

some Scenario

1:15:08

some people think it's in the Nevada desert

1:15:10

who knows what it is But they had this footage of

1:15:13

people bounce it around and they said they got it on

1:15:15

the moon And then they brought this back does

1:15:17

yet, but does he have any evidence of? That

1:15:21

event occurring what would he say

1:15:23

well? I know they only went so far and came

1:15:25

back because I because of this well he

1:15:27

has a bunch of different things and one

1:15:30

of them is the one that's like very

1:15:32

hotly debated and it's the Different

1:15:35

light sources in the photographs so a lot of

1:15:37

the photographs from the surface of the moon have

1:15:39

intersecting light Intersecting shadows

1:15:42

so you have a shadow that's going this way and another shadow

1:15:44

that's going that way indicating more than one Light

1:15:47

source or a close by light source. That's

1:15:49

you know coming in not something That's you

1:15:51

know thousands millions of miles away like the

1:15:53

like the Sun There's

1:15:55

those there's the photographs. There's the photographs that

1:15:57

run through AI he has this other video

1:16:00

of what looks like them filming

1:16:02

the earth through one of the

1:16:04

round portal windows with everything blacked

1:16:06

out in the cabin and

1:16:09

then they pull down the things that

1:16:11

were blocking off the other light sources

1:16:13

and the cabin floods with light and

1:16:15

it looks like they're in near-earth orbit

1:16:17

and it's very confusing because you're like

1:16:19

well what is that video what exactly

1:16:21

is going on there because if they

1:16:23

really are in deep space and they

1:16:25

really are filming this small image of

1:16:27

the earth because that's all they can

1:16:30

see from 200,000 miles out well why

1:16:34

when they take those things down does it

1:16:37

look like the whole cabin is filled with

1:16:39

light why is it why does it look

1:16:41

exactly like they're in near-earth orbit that

1:16:43

but that still goes back ever seen it the

1:16:47

specific you want to see it sure for

1:16:49

shits and giggles yeah because we're in

1:16:51

the middle of this stupid conversation it's a fun one

1:16:54

it's one of the most fun of all

1:16:56

conspiracy theories because if they did it

1:16:59

wow first of all if

1:17:02

they killed the president wow and they it seems

1:17:04

like they kind of did that so if

1:17:06

they did this too like what else

1:17:09

did they do like what other hoaxes were played

1:17:11

on on the American people if this is real

1:17:14

that's why it's fun I'm not saying it's real but

1:17:17

it is is a fun one it's

1:17:19

not as simple as the earth is

1:17:21

flat that's a stupid one but this

1:17:23

is a fun one this is a

1:17:25

fun one because you're you're dealing with

1:17:27

the kind of power with complete control

1:17:29

over the media complete control over newspapers

1:17:31

and what they reported the interest of

1:17:34

you know national security the

1:17:36

Cold War with Russia the space

1:17:38

war with Russia we

1:17:40

wanted it so bad we brought in some of

1:17:42

the most heinous human beings that

1:17:44

have ever lived to run our

1:17:46

NASA program yeah it's not as

1:17:49

it's not as dumb as flat earth but it

1:17:51

does remind to me it reminds me of to

1:17:53

me it's in the vein of like Sandy

1:17:56

Hook was a hoax no no

1:17:58

no that's heinous Let's not morally

1:18:00

not more. Let me show you the video. Let me show

1:18:02

you the video Jamie you got that Funny

1:18:05

thing happened on the way to the moon. No, but I

1:18:07

can't is he hiding it. I know

1:18:10

it's available. Sure sure I I'm

1:18:13

not even I have to figure out exactly what the videos I'm

1:18:15

looking for Proof I

1:18:17

know I'm trying to I'm digging through I pick

1:18:19

a video. I try to find it's not in there I have to

1:18:21

find another video. It's not like okay. You'll

1:18:23

find the exact name of the video Okay,

1:18:26

you'll find it he'll find it once he does

1:18:28

again, I'm not saying we didn't go I'm saying

1:18:31

this is a fun one And it's a weird

1:18:33

one There's there's a lot

1:18:35

of weirdness to it. Isn't it similar? Okay,

1:18:37

because a lot of this comes from It's

1:18:40

such a it's it's such an incredible

1:18:42

feat That's so difficult to do that. It's hard

1:18:45

to believe anyone actually did it sure which

1:18:47

I can understand that mentality

1:18:50

But the thing is you can go back in history and

1:18:54

you could look at In for

1:18:56

the sake of discovery and exploration you can look

1:18:58

at what other men have done hundreds of years

1:19:00

ago That arguably is more

1:19:02

impressive than going to the moon like what

1:19:06

I mean You

1:19:08

name it like take any take any famous

1:19:10

Explorer from like the 1500s to the 1800s

1:19:16

And whether it's Magellan or James Cook or

1:19:18

Christopher Columbus or any of them What

1:19:22

they were able to do navigating this vast

1:19:24

ocean going to play having no modern technology

1:19:26

at all Being able to go

1:19:28

from where they're starting point hit some little tiny

1:19:30

island Somewhere and then go around and navigating a

1:19:33

world that they don't even know what it looks

1:19:35

like. They have no maps They have no GPS.

1:19:37

They have nothing at all. I

1:19:40

cannot conceive of How

1:19:42

they could have ever done that? I don't know how

1:19:44

in the world not knowing what the

1:19:46

world looks like having no map having no GPS

1:19:48

having no modern navigation whatsoever how in the world

1:19:50

could you possibly get on a ship in

1:19:52

you know launching out of France or Portugal

1:19:54

or wherever and Make

1:19:57

it anywhere across the ocean. How could you

1:19:59

I don't know how you could It's incredible,

1:20:01

but it's incredible, but we know that it

1:20:03

happened. Okay, it's incredible But it

1:20:05

doesn't come it doesn't compare because they do it now

1:20:07

easily So anybody can

1:20:09

get in a ship right now and travel you

1:20:11

can get a small boat That

1:20:13

you have enough resources and you have enough gas

1:20:16

and you could travel through these routes you can

1:20:18

do it It took them hundreds of years, but

1:20:20

you can do it right now. So it's way

1:20:22

easier to do now, right? So it's something that

1:20:24

they did that's incredible. No doubt

1:20:27

no argument, but something that could be reproduced

1:20:29

today easily But at

1:20:31

least at least possibly I wouldn't say easily it's it's all

1:20:33

it's a task But it also took centuries to get to

1:20:35

the point where it could be easily But

1:20:38

it got better right after each one did

1:20:40

it because they had maps now and then

1:20:42

they also used their sextants and they understood

1:20:44

constellations in a way that most people don't

1:20:46

today and Sextants are if you actually use

1:20:49

them correctly and you understand which way the

1:20:51

the tides go and which way the the

1:20:53

water currents are going Which way the flow

1:20:55

is happening. They had a deep

1:20:57

understanding of the currents of the earth They knew

1:21:00

travel rains like travel lanes and they knew

1:21:02

which ways they could go with ships So

1:21:04

applying that to the open ocean applying that

1:21:07

to the these continents. They weren't even sure

1:21:09

were there It was very iffy very dangerous

1:21:11

very courageous But once they did it Then

1:21:13

everybody else could do it easier and then

1:21:16

they started doing it better and better and

1:21:18

then people started coming to America and then

1:21:20

Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh and now here we are and now

1:21:22

anybody can get in a boat anybody with

1:21:24

enough resources Can have a boat

1:21:26

that can travel those routes? No

1:21:29

one can just say I want

1:21:31

to go to the moon today and get

1:21:33

their private Mooncraft and fucking shoot

1:21:35

off into the atmosphere and land on the

1:21:37

moon So no

1:21:40

one's done that since 1969. That's

1:21:43

a recent occurrence in

1:21:45

terms of like human history But

1:21:47

not technologically the technology from 1969

1:21:49

is not even it's like cave people shit compared

1:21:52

to what we have today So

1:21:54

you really can't compare the

1:21:56

courageous amazing deeds of these

1:21:58

early explorers From

1:26:00

200,000 miles away and even though

1:26:03

they are filming it by blocking out all

1:26:05

the lights and filming it through this window

1:26:07

That actually is the the earth.

1:26:09

That's actually what it looks like when you're in

1:26:12

deep space. You could say that too You

1:26:15

just don't know and that It's

1:26:17

it's hard to figure out what's what it's hard

1:26:19

to figure out what's what when you see a

1:26:21

video like that You just go hmm. Okay. What

1:26:24

is that? and

1:26:28

I don't think it's impossible to

1:26:30

fake people going to the moon. I think

1:26:32

it'd be very difficult It would require

1:26:35

a lot of people to be on board, but

1:26:37

I also think it could be compartmentalized The

1:26:39

people that make the rockets they they you are

1:26:41

design You're what you're doing is you're making a

1:26:44

specific part and this guy's making another part and

1:26:46

you have the engineers put this thing together And

1:26:49

you launch this thing into space the people that

1:26:51

would have to know are the people that are

1:26:53

actually charting the trajectory of the

1:26:55

Apollo mission the people that are

1:26:57

actually talking to the astronauts and explains them

1:26:59

what to say during the press conference the

1:27:02

people that are engineering the

1:27:04

whole thing and you could probably get

1:27:06

away with doing something like that with a few hundred people

1:27:08

and you could get a few hundred people of High-ranking

1:27:11

people that have top-secret clearance keep their

1:27:13

mouth shut you could I would just

1:27:15

need I Would

1:27:18

need some kind of solid evidence of

1:27:20

that to believe that's true. Yeah me

1:27:22

too this to me There

1:27:24

are some things that we call conspiracy theories that

1:27:26

I think are you know clearly true

1:27:28

There are some things that we call conspiracy theories that I think

1:27:31

are maybe true But

1:27:34

there are conspiracy theories that to

1:27:36

me are just that they're just they're

1:27:38

just they're not even theories

1:27:40

really They're just kind of like fanciful

1:27:44

Whatever projections

1:27:48

and The ones that I don't find

1:27:50

convincing are where they they usually

1:27:52

start with There's

1:27:54

a so-called official narrative of a thing that happened

1:27:56

mm-hmm. There's a couple of things

1:27:59

about what actually happened that are

1:28:01

kind of weird. And

1:28:03

we look at that and go, that's a little bit weird. And

1:28:06

then the conspiracy theorists, in that case, they come in

1:28:08

and they find these little tiny

1:28:10

cracks, if you want to call it, and then inside

1:28:13

the cracks, they shove this whole like Hollywood

1:28:16

cinematic narrative that they have created

1:28:18

to explain what's actually like

1:28:20

a pretty tiny crack. You don't need

1:28:22

this whole thing to explain that. So

1:28:25

with the moon thing, I mean, one of the first, weird

1:28:30

aspects of the moon landing that I think

1:28:32

started kind of the conspiracy theories about it

1:28:34

was the flag,

1:28:36

the fact that the flag's moving in the picture. And

1:28:39

so yeah, it's like, when you look at that, you don't really understand, you look at

1:28:42

what that is weird because there's no wind on the moon. But

1:28:44

then you understand that, okay, for example,

1:28:46

when you put the flag down, it

1:28:48

creates reverberations, it makes the flag

1:28:51

move, it's gonna move for longer because

1:28:53

there's no gravity. So

1:28:55

there's an explanation for that. But

1:28:58

if you're the conspiracy theorist, then

1:29:00

you take the flag moving and you just let, you're

1:29:02

like, nope, the whole thing

1:29:04

is bunk. Have you ever seen the

1:29:06

video footage of the astronaut hopping by

1:29:08

the flag and the

1:29:11

breeze of him hopping by makes the flag

1:29:13

wiggle? He

1:29:15

doesn't touch the flag at all, the flag is

1:29:17

completely stationary, and the astronaut hops by the flag,

1:29:20

and as he hops by the flag, the flag

1:29:22

wiggles. Okay, are we saying that wouldn't happen

1:29:24

on him? No, it wouldn't, there's no air. Yeah,

1:29:28

okay, I haven't seen that. Oh, we'll show it to you.

1:29:32

It's weird, listen, what

1:29:34

you're saying is entirely correct. Everything

1:29:36

you're saying is entirely reasonable and correct if they

1:29:38

actually can get through the

1:29:41

Van Allen radiation belts. If they can, this

1:29:43

is stupid, this whole thing's stupid. But if they can't really

1:29:45

do that, and they never have done that, and the only

1:29:47

time they say they've done that is these missions, it gets

1:29:50

real weird. And

1:29:52

since they haven't done it since then, it gets real weird. And

1:29:55

it's not just that, there's other

1:29:57

video, it's not just the one where the guys. So

1:32:00

he's gonna hop by. Okay.

1:32:05

See that? Yeah, but he could have

1:32:07

hit the flag. Yeah, but he didn't. Look, look at the distance. Look

1:32:09

how far away he is from it. Pull

1:32:13

it back again. Oh. See

1:32:17

where he is? So he's in

1:32:19

front. He's way in front of

1:32:21

that thing. He paps by and it wiggles. I

1:32:24

don't know. He's in the suit. The suit's pretty clunky. Yeah,

1:32:26

but he's not close to it. Look at the perspective. Let's look

1:32:29

at it in slow motion. So watch, he

1:32:31

hops by. It just wiggles in the breeze.

1:32:34

That's a breeze, dude. So

1:32:36

that might not have actually happened on the moon, okay? That

1:32:38

might be footage that they filmed in Nevada desert. And the footage they

1:32:40

got on the moon got all fucked up. And so they tried to

1:32:43

pass that off on people and they thought that no one would know.

1:32:46

It doesn't necessarily mean we didn't go to the moon.

1:32:48

But that does look weird. And

1:32:50

it's just not, it's not one thing. If that

1:32:52

was the only thing, you'd be like, oh, well, I'm gonna go to the moon. It's

1:32:54

not one thing. If that was the only thing,

1:32:56

you'd be like, oh, well, who

1:32:59

knows? But there's a lot of them. He

1:33:02

could have hit it. I mean, he's close. It's

1:33:04

possible. It doesn't look like he hit it. It looks like a

1:33:06

breeze. Yeah, but

1:33:08

then the other part of this is that they, so what?

1:33:10

The people that went through all the struggle to fake the

1:33:12

moon landing, how would they

1:33:14

miss these things? Well,

1:33:16

I don't think they thought people would catch it.

1:33:18

First of all, you're dealing with a time where

1:33:21

there's no VHS tapes. You're dealing with the internet,

1:33:23

right? So you show it on television once. You

1:33:26

get to choose what gets shown and what doesn't get shown. You film

1:33:28

a bunch of shit. That's how

1:33:30

they got that footage of them inside the craft, filming through

1:33:32

that circular hole. Because they don't

1:33:34

air everything on television, but you have archives. So

1:33:37

you have all these archives and these kooks go through the archives.

1:33:40

They find things like that.

1:33:42

Okay, but that doesn't even mean that that was

1:33:44

actual moon footage. That could

1:33:46

have been some of the training footage. I'll tell

1:33:48

you what would convince me to, not that it's a fake,

1:33:50

but at least would make me open to it. One

1:33:53

thing that would shake my faith considerably in the

1:33:56

moon landing, if Elon

1:33:58

Musk were to come out and say, and say,

1:34:00

yeah, I don't know about this moon landing thing. Then,

1:34:02

okay, fine. Because, and I'm not saying this is my

1:34:04

whole reason for believing it happened, but Elon Musk, first

1:34:07

of all, if the moon landing was fake, he knows it was, he knows

1:34:09

it was fake. Sure. He's the richest

1:34:11

man in the world. He's shown zero

1:34:14

concern for, you know, propping up

1:34:16

official narratives at all. Right. So

1:34:18

he's a guy that would know if it's faked,

1:34:22

would, there'd be no reason for him to continue

1:34:24

that narrative if it was fake. In

1:34:26

fact, he could even say, you know, they faked it. I'm gonna do it for

1:34:28

real. I'll be the first one to go to the moon because they faked it.

1:34:32

And he hasn't said that. So I also find that to be pretty

1:34:35

compelling. The fact that he, as someone who wouldn't know,

1:34:37

let's say the problem is that you and

1:34:39

I, most people that talk about this, we have no like

1:34:41

direct access to knowledge

1:34:43

about space. This is all being given to us by

1:34:46

other people. So

1:34:48

you got to go to people that are actually working with

1:34:50

this stuff. And

1:34:54

so the fact that he has no time for this theory

1:34:57

at all, I also find to be persuasive.

1:34:59

It's good. It is persuasive, definitely.

1:35:01

But also he has a contract

1:35:03

with NASA and he has to

1:35:05

be very careful about what he says and does.

1:35:07

And for him to say something incredibly insane, like we

1:35:09

never went to the moon, even if he believes

1:35:11

it, that would be a big

1:35:14

risk with zero reward because there's no way to

1:35:16

prove, as you've said, there's no way to prove

1:35:18

that we didn't go to the moon. And

1:35:21

to say that we didn't go to the moon is

1:35:23

a kook take. Like that's, what the fuck is wrong

1:35:25

with you? You could say stupid things

1:35:27

like that when you're a comedian who's a podcast host. But

1:35:30

if you have contracts with

1:35:32

NASA and you run SpaceX and you are

1:35:34

legitimately making some of the greatest breakthroughs in

1:35:36

space travel that human beings have ever known,

1:35:39

like what they're doing with those Falcons, when

1:35:41

they have them land, fucking insane. Insane, come

1:35:43

back and land. We've never been able to

1:35:45

do that before. And it's all because of

1:35:47

Elon. I mean, if

1:35:50

he really is going to get people to Mars,

1:35:54

something is going to be addressed

1:35:56

eventually as to, you

1:35:59

know, if, if. If they do it and they pull it off

1:36:01

and it's easy and comfortable, okay, we

1:36:03

probably did it in 1969. If

1:36:06

they go to the moon and there's no problem going through

1:36:08

the Van Allen radiation belts with no particular

1:36:11

insulation other than what the spaceship had,

1:36:13

maybe. Yeah, they probably did

1:36:15

it. Well, I will say, I

1:36:17

don't even, the moon landing hoax idea

1:36:19

is, it's barely even a kook take

1:36:21

anymore. I think it is, but you're

1:36:24

probably in the majority with your take on

1:36:27

it. The

1:36:29

last time I talked about this publicly,

1:36:31

I got absolutely ripped

1:36:33

to shreds. Of course. I mean,

1:36:35

it felt like 99% against, and it's going to

1:36:38

happen again in response to this

1:36:40

conversation. 99% against you? Yeah.

1:36:42

Against your take. So most people think that we

1:36:44

didn't go to the moon. It

1:36:47

seems- Maybe that's your followers, bro. I

1:36:49

think if you get the overall internet, it would go

1:36:51

the other way. The overall internet,

1:36:54

most people would think you're a kook for

1:36:56

even entertaining the idea that we never went to the

1:36:58

moon. Maybe, but it seems

1:37:00

like it's shifting drastically. A lot of that is

1:37:02

people just have lost all faith in our institutions,

1:37:04

which I understand. Yes. So people

1:37:06

are, I mean, that was kind of the point of your bit,

1:37:09

that people are, once you see that this is a lie, this

1:37:11

is a lie. Yeah, yeah,

1:37:13

exactly. That is happening, and I'm totally sympathetic to that

1:37:15

part of it. But

1:37:19

I just think that the moon landing is, there's

1:37:21

a lot of good evidence for

1:37:23

it. And also, this

1:37:26

is an emotional argument. Yeah, it's an American thing. It's

1:37:29

one of our greatest achievements as Americans. Sure. You

1:37:31

got to pry that from my cold, dead hands. I

1:37:34

mean, you got to

1:37:36

really show me something to make me

1:37:38

willing to give that up. I would tell you that

1:37:41

one of our greatest achievements is faking the

1:37:43

moon landing. I

1:37:45

could be. I think it's an amazing

1:37:47

achievement. I think it's an amazing achievement.

1:37:50

It's akin to turning Kamala Harris into

1:37:52

the most compelling presidential candidate since Barack

1:37:54

Obama. There's things that they

1:37:56

can do with propaganda and spin that are

1:37:58

truly amazing. her become

1:38:00

this like celebrated character when just a few

1:38:02

months ago everybody was upset that she was

1:38:04

on the ticket and oh my god if

1:38:06

Joe Biden dies and she becomes president people

1:38:08

are freaking out now all of a sudden

1:38:10

everybody's like yes she should be president. That's

1:38:12

also wearing off though I mean that's... You

1:38:14

think so? I don't think so. She

1:38:17

doesn't have she had they were able to

1:38:19

make her into a sensation a political sensation

1:38:22

for about

1:38:24

a month I don't

1:38:26

think she has that anymore I don't think

1:38:28

people are because you got it you can hype

1:38:30

somebody up and you can turn them into the

1:38:33

next political savior through really good branding they

1:38:35

did that with Obama but you

1:38:38

got to have something that's be something they at least

1:38:40

have to have charisma I mean Obama had charisma so

1:38:43

you at least have to have that with a... If you

1:38:45

have a politician who has charisma then the media can come

1:38:47

in they can do the rest and they can turn you

1:38:49

into... Well she certainly has charisma when she has planned speeches

1:38:51

and she gets to read off a teleprompter and maybe that

1:38:54

thing in her ear what do you think about that? I

1:38:56

think that's legit. It could be.

1:38:58

You see the company has responded? To

1:39:02

the... Yeah. What did they say? They said

1:39:04

they they definitely didn't deny it and they

1:39:06

said it looks very close to like what

1:39:08

our device is and I go to their

1:39:11

website it might be on their website they

1:39:13

might have somebody sent me

1:39:15

something and I just

1:39:18

looked at it briefly I'm like oh this will probably come

1:39:20

up today I wanted I want to see it in real

1:39:22

time because whatever the website is

1:39:24

of the company that makes that thing

1:39:26

they've apparently addressed it on the website

1:39:32

but is that illegal? I

1:39:34

don't know if it's illegal but it's incredibly

1:39:37

unethical. Unethical for sure but also

1:39:39

if they pulled that off with

1:39:41

earrings like fucking amazing and

1:39:45

it would explain because she she stayed

1:39:47

on script really well amazingly well amazingly

1:39:49

well Does

1:39:53

it say anything about the presidential debates? The

1:39:57

companies definitely responded maybe it wasn't their website maybe

1:39:59

it was social... media. What is the name of the

1:40:01

company? Okay,

1:40:04

Google Nova audio earrings

1:40:07

response to presidential debate.

1:40:13

Nova audio earrings response to

1:40:15

presidential debates.

1:40:20

It might have been a troll. That's

1:40:22

why I wanted to see it in real time to find out what

1:40:24

the fuck it is. But see if there's a website where

1:40:27

they responded because I think they did

1:40:30

respond. I

1:40:32

could find it. I know I saved it. Company

1:40:37

says Kamal's earrings strikingly

1:40:39

similar to its Bluetooth device. Okay,

1:40:42

there it is. Strikingly similar

1:40:45

to its Bluetooth device

1:40:47

offers to make ones

1:40:50

for Trump. Imagine if

1:40:52

Trump starts wearing earrings. First

1:40:55

of all, that would never work because you can't tell him what to

1:40:57

do. Yeah, he would never. He's free balling. We

1:41:01

do not know whether Mrs. Harris wore

1:41:03

one of our products. The resemblance is

1:41:06

striking and while our product is not

1:41:08

specifically developed for the use at presidential

1:41:10

debates, it is nonetheless suited

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for it. Okay,

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there you go. To ensure a

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level playing field for both candidates, we are currently

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developing a male version and will soon be able

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to offer it to the Trump campaign. The choice

1:41:24

of color has been challenging though as orange

1:41:26

does not go well with a

1:41:28

lot of colors. That

1:41:34

company's funny. They're funny. That's

1:41:36

a funny company. I

1:41:38

would buy their shit. Bulletproof earrings for

1:41:40

Trump. Yeah, right? Yeah,

1:41:43

I mean, how crazy is the

1:41:45

conspiracy theory that he didn't actually get shot? That

1:41:48

he cut his ear like a pro wrestler.

1:41:51

Yeah, that's another or that it was shrapnel,

1:41:53

which to me would make even less sense

1:41:55

because yeah, it's a very minor injury because

1:41:57

she just got nicked. But

1:41:59

if it's. Shrapnel, you would expect, you know,

1:42:02

the marks all over his face. Right.

1:42:05

Or not. You know, the thing is

1:42:07

shrapnel could be a small piece of shrapnel. You

1:42:09

know, shrapnel's not uniform, right? So if it hits

1:42:11

a railing, which apparently there is some shot, there's

1:42:14

some video footage of, because I think

1:42:16

there was nine shots fired total. Yeah.

1:42:19

Was that what it was? Something like that.

1:42:21

Something crazy like that. What about that though?

1:42:23

Trump sustained two centimeter wide gunshot wound

1:42:25

to his ear. Okay. The

1:42:28

thing is, ears heal pretty quick. Yeah, and two centimeters.

1:42:30

I mean, you can't see it. Yeah. I

1:42:33

saw holes from when I got my ears pierced. Oh yeah, but

1:42:35

that's different. That's a hole. This

1:42:37

is a scratch. Like, ears, like, I've gotten my

1:42:39

ears fucked up a bunch of times from jujitsu,

1:42:41

and they heal pretty quick. It's

1:42:44

foreheads heal quick, ears heal quick. Things

1:42:47

around your mouth heal really quick. There's

1:42:49

parts of your body that have a lot of

1:42:51

blood vessels, and they heal pretty quick. He's old,

1:42:53

which is odd for him not to have a

1:42:56

scar, but it's not inconceivable that it could just

1:42:59

scratch the surface, and that would cause a lot of

1:43:01

blood. Like if you get a forehead cut, forehead

1:43:04

cuts are crazy. You just pours blood on your

1:43:06

face. But if you get a cut like on your

1:43:08

knee, it doesn't even drip. You

1:43:11

have to have a real cut on your knee to

1:43:14

be dribbling blood down your shin. The

1:43:16

forehead is filled with blood vessels,

1:43:18

as I think are the tips of the ears.

1:43:21

So I think it would bleed a lot, and

1:43:23

it might be a minor injury that bleeds a

1:43:25

lot, and it could heal in

1:43:27

a few days. Also it wouldn't even ... Even if

1:43:29

he didn't get hit with a bullet, which he did, but if

1:43:32

he didn't, it doesn't make a difference.

1:43:34

He still got shot at. It doesn't

1:43:36

change what happened. People behind him, one

1:43:38

guy died, and other people got grievously

1:43:41

injured, terribly injured to the

1:43:43

point where it's going to affect them for the rest of their life. The

1:43:46

more bizarre thing about the shooting is that

1:43:48

it's only been two months since it happened,

1:43:51

right? Two months. Not

1:43:54

even two months. It's been like a month and

1:43:56

a half, and we've

1:43:58

moved on like it never happened. It never

1:44:00

happened in two weeks. In two weeks they

1:44:03

stopped talking about it. It's had no political

1:44:05

impact whatsoever. Nuts. He

1:44:08

got no polling boost from it. Reagan

1:44:10

got like 12 points briefly. Which just shows you the

1:44:12

polls are full of shit. Probably.

1:44:16

Yeah, full of shit. I mean they are

1:44:18

full of shit, but also it would not

1:44:20

shock me if, because we're so easily distracted,

1:44:23

if people really did just forget and don't care a week later,

1:44:25

two weeks later. Well, as long as it's not

1:44:27

in the news and it's not in the news. You

1:44:30

don't care about it. Also, there was

1:44:32

no press conference. So that's

1:44:34

kind of crazy. There was no disclosure

1:44:36

of all the information about this young

1:44:39

man's prior history, what led him to

1:44:41

this. They

1:44:43

went to his apartment and it was

1:44:45

professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in

1:44:47

his place. There's also

1:44:49

this bizarre thing where there's a, you

1:44:52

know how they get ad data where you could track

1:44:54

where phones have been? Just one

1:44:56

phone was going from outside of the

1:44:58

FBI office in Washington, DC to

1:45:01

where this kid is multiple times.

1:45:05

So how did this kid get these explosive devices?

1:45:07

How did he get up on the roof? How

1:45:11

did they not flag him? And you see a

1:45:13

guy walking around with a rangefinder a half

1:45:15

an hour before the event. That guy is

1:45:18

going to jail. Like what are you talking

1:45:20

about? There's two reasons for a rangefinder. You're

1:45:22

trying to shoot something or you're using it

1:45:24

for golf. If you're not playing

1:45:26

golf, then you're trying to shoot something. That's the

1:45:28

only other reason for a rangefinder. Yeah. And

1:45:31

that was like three hours before. Yeah. They knew

1:45:33

about that kid. They were

1:45:35

aware that he was there. He somehow or another

1:45:37

got on the roof with a rifle. The whole

1:45:39

thing sucks. It stinks to high

1:45:41

heaven. And then they cremate him. He's

1:45:44

gone. They get his body. Someone

1:45:46

snatches his body like five or

1:45:48

six days after the event. And 10 days

1:45:51

later, he's cremated. The whole

1:45:53

thing is nuts. Like who is this kid? How

1:45:55

did he do this? Why did some 20-year-old kid

1:45:57

take shots at the president? Why didn't

1:45:59

he have a scope? This is one where

1:46:01

I'm totally open to conspiracy theories only because there's

1:46:03

not even there's not even like an official narrative

1:46:05

for it They've basically told

1:46:07

us nothing. So we're left

1:46:09

to fill in the blanks Not only that think about how

1:46:12

perfect it would have been for a

1:46:14

plan to assassinate someone if you

1:46:16

do get this lone crazy kid

1:46:19

You give them whatever. I mean, there's been no

1:46:21

toxicology examination of his body that's been released, right?

1:46:23

So who knows what the fuck this kid's on

1:46:25

if you're gonna try to convince someone to go

1:46:28

shoot the former president You'd probably dope him up

1:46:30

with some crazy shit, right? And then that would

1:46:32

be in his system and then would be like

1:46:34

be able to trace. Okay, how

1:46:36

do you get this? Let's and let's talk to all

1:46:38

the people that are on his cell phone all the

1:46:40

people that are in his email Let's investigate and find

1:46:42

out where the fuck you got this stuff that he's

1:46:44

on when he shoots at the president You don't hear

1:46:46

a peep out of that so this

1:46:49

guy somehow or another figures out how

1:46:51

to get on the roof take these

1:46:53

shots and Then they

1:46:55

kill him now if he shot and

1:46:57

hit Trump if Trump didn't turn his

1:46:59

head of that pivotal moment What they're

1:47:01

talking about and it's a headshot Trump

1:47:03

is dead the world's in chaos and

1:47:05

this kid's dead Seconds later

1:47:07

and then it's like that crazy

1:47:10

kid who shoots the president and that's

1:47:12

it and then Okay.

1:47:15

Now who's gonna run as a Republican

1:47:17

who's in the world's in chaos? Yeah,

1:47:20

it would have been a perfect plan If

1:47:22

that kid just pulled it off Yeah,

1:47:26

I mean and I just I

1:47:28

can't I Think about I

1:47:31

when I do a like a college speech. We'll have a

1:47:33

little we'll have a few security guys there and

1:47:37

There's no way if someone showed up with a rangefinder

1:47:41

They would not get in the building Anyone that

1:47:43

looks vaguely suspicious with any kind of bag is getting

1:47:45

flagged and I got like, you know Three or four

1:47:47

guys and I'm just a guy. I'm

1:47:49

like just a guy giving a speech at a college That

1:47:52

never would have happened. It could not have happened. They

1:47:54

would have flagged especially three hours ahead of time So

1:47:57

how does that happen with the president u-nighters or former

1:47:59

president? kind

1:52:00

of story from their perspective, because

1:52:02

they look at him as a monster, this

1:52:04

monstrous figure, and the

1:52:07

media deliberately created this. They gave him all

1:52:09

the attention, they sucked all the oxygen out

1:52:11

of the room for every other

1:52:13

candidate, because this is the guy they

1:52:15

wanted, and they thought we were

1:52:17

gonna annihilate him, there's no way he's gonna win a general

1:52:19

election, and of course he won, but, and

1:52:22

I think that's one of the reasons why ever

1:52:24

since then, they haven't been able, the media, they

1:52:26

just can't, they hate him

1:52:28

with an extra passion, that they have

1:52:30

not had even for other Republican presidents, and I

1:52:33

think a lot of it is, it's

1:52:35

like this, they're projecting, because

1:52:38