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As it turns out, I have
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rather fond memories of
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quite a few evenings at the Ritz that
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I'd like to share with you. One
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in particular comes
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to mind when a
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very different side of the
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young Princess Elizabeth
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was revealed. And I'm
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sure everyone would love
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to hear about that.
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Yes they would, Lillie Burt, which is why
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I'm telling it. It would miss the point
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entirely of why we're all here tonight, to
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celebrate you. Welcome
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to the Crown at the Official podcast.
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I'm Edith Bowman and this is
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the show that follows the sixth
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and final season of the Netflix
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series The Crown, episode by episode.
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We'll be taking you behind the
1:00
scenes, speaking to many of the
1:02
creatives involved and diving deep into
1:04
the stories. Today
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we'll be talking about episode 8, titled
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Ritz. Whilst
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holidaying in Mustique, Princess
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Margaret suffers a stroke
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and is suddenly forced to reassess
1:18
her lifestyle. Margaret
1:21
is keen to recover in anticipation
1:23
of her glamorous 70th
1:25
birthday party. But the
1:27
Queen worries that her party-loving sister
1:29
will struggle to kick the habits
1:31
of a lifetime. As
1:34
Margaret's health continues to decline, she
1:37
finds herself slipping back into her
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memories, back to her
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secret night out with her sister during
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the biggest party in history, VE
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Day 1945.
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We'll cover specific events and scenes that
1:52
feature in this episode, so if you
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haven't managed to watch episode 8 yet,
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I Suggest you do that now or
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very soon. Coming
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up on this episode was the Cloud
2:03
C official. Protest. Will
2:05
hear from Director Alex Debussy as
2:07
others. you went for it because
2:09
was a newsgroup again and then
2:12
seen braces. That and that's what
2:14
I talk about actors and sister
2:16
likes to play air. Producer
2:18
Moss and Hottest and takes us
2:20
underground. To the think think that
2:22
was to very very hot sweaty
2:24
days as you say is not
2:26
crumb like can Anyways quite surprised.
2:29
And will say farewell to
2:31
Margaret with this fabulous, lazily
2:33
manzo. The Circle is absolutely
2:35
completes and not just my
2:37
circles but that I've seen
2:39
a stuff the Circle that
2:41
was. Semester. And Helena
2:44
and die. Fast
2:47
I sat down with Mariel Sir
2:49
Bani Clear to correlate this episode
2:51
with Peter Morgan. To
2:54
be honest, I would have my own
2:56
that society. Yeah, I love Margaret. I
2:58
loved The Sisters episodes Peters. To
3:01
create a t sucks
3:03
distinctive characters. Who you
3:05
really want to spend time with but basically
3:07
Elizabeth when she's with Margret system like that
3:10
that more fun so he's built up over
3:12
the series I guess I was really awful
3:14
tasting Elizabeth a mugger on that final best
3:16
their journey together a core system I'm really
3:19
close to so that interested me to that
3:21
same and at which feels really important in
3:23
the upset that seem assistance which I was
3:25
ready interested to explore and also just seen
3:27
I'm writing a fine Let's said for character
3:30
I want is has. Go out with ban
3:32
casting with it does equate to. Yes,
3:35
two episodes. what was the it in
3:37
the research with the Gods Tizzy, Eat
3:39
In and the Girls and Sisters. So
3:41
yeah well, it was an exciting idea
3:43
to use this nineteen Forty five eat
3:45
a soft spot because it just occurred
3:47
to me like oh my god this
3:49
is a massive Crown store and we've
3:51
never used that as like is just
3:53
way into the easier because it's so
3:55
extraordinary that they were actually out there
3:57
with the crowds on a something the
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map yeah like on a good thing
4:01
is that there's a certain amount of
4:03
information about at like Margaret herself was
4:05
interviewed about Sat and talked about it
4:07
being you know, the sink credibly. Joyous!
4:10
Night and about how she was jealous
4:12
as elizabeth that he she was wearing
4:14
her army uniform and margaret to southwest
4:17
civilian place to sell thought that since
4:19
thought about like grabbing her of the
4:21
servicemen. In. A week or few
4:23
details. last we know they went out
4:25
with Townsend's import see an various separates
4:27
Only know they join the crowd outside
4:29
the palace to call for the king
4:31
and we know that they went across
4:33
Queen Park and went to the Ritz.
4:37
It is. Not sources
4:39
good idea come on the voices
4:41
of he has to celebrate Senators
4:43
will will have ports to to
4:45
Tulsa with us. Because
4:48
six gave wrong. So we
4:50
know they went threats and I think
4:52
they're cousin talks about them doing the
4:54
conga three the restaurant as well as
4:56
well to do people upstairs and out
4:58
for the kitchens and that nobody noticed
5:01
to they were. That's.
5:03
Amazing when we got that basic
5:05
information and that kind of meant
5:08
that week said think about
5:10
what happened inside the Ritz and
5:12
we discovered that. During.
5:14
The whole of their secular war, there
5:17
were lots of so have some subterranean
5:19
nightspot stuff crops up all around in
5:21
these lands, in hotels in the basements
5:24
li so kind of summer seven bohemian
5:26
and a lot of fun stuff happens
5:28
artists, bohemian types so we thought well
5:30
there actually was a ball. Like
5:33
this could the pink sink in the basement.
5:35
The Ritz. So he so well what is.
5:38
Our taxes went on the. Ss
5:40
It's the way that. To assess
5:43
it seems incredibly sad. Watch and
5:45
Markets. House. Just see
5:47
an omelet. But. You have
5:49
the accent rocketed with his
5:52
brilliant tunisia in oh it's
5:54
like. It's shitty.
5:57
Is. The actual median, the hair and it.
6:00
This is bomb and see that the
6:02
night so brilliantly even feel when they're
6:04
at the table with queen Mom and
6:06
stuff and queens goose. What'd she say?
6:08
Tennessee in all those kind of little
6:10
moments. of thing worse Margaret's cause not
6:12
she might be kind of health
6:14
is going for seasonal we see
6:16
kind of soft cheeses elizabeth. Was
6:18
telling the story as a muscle.
6:20
The We the. You get back says
6:23
Edi and box if he does is
6:25
it's really cleverly and brilliantly to my
6:27
talks a little bit about on as
6:29
how you do that The character. That
6:31
seats has created a Margret Mean site is
6:33
really quite easy to write because she's a
6:35
noisy and see she and she wants to
6:37
join Science Fun in the darkest the situations
6:40
like is fun but this is more rebels
6:42
anyone else in the family says more willing
6:44
to say the stuff that no one else
6:46
wants to say yes says she's always fun
6:49
Spencer seem to see rupture that exists as
6:51
I guess I still like when you're writing.
6:54
Such. A sad story. It's
6:56
actually more. Saw this: the cancer isn't ceiling
6:58
like where the source himself and is.
7:01
Able to kind of loss of was going
7:03
on that such the moves that towards as
7:06
we we won't say we wouldn't fly rather
7:08
than them watch the x yeah and mother
7:10
sister guest in that way because. She's.
7:13
So funny. Yes or no. See, you've got the
7:15
relationships in the Sisters which is always been. They.
7:17
Know another so well as playful. They
7:19
like the mother doesn't he likes waiting
7:21
list as Op yeah, putting that in
7:23
this pretty tragic scenario just full of
7:25
our. We. See Margaret through the
7:27
easy to write for yeah you
7:30
also have less the muzzle and
7:32
minds. On. This season.
7:34
Haven't been a right now and Harrys. As A
7:36
and Five say solely Does the funny thing
7:38
that like when you're right for an enclosed was
7:40
we haven't seen playing the parts. Yeah it's
7:42
weird because you can't help but right? So the
7:44
old toss easy sets and then you see
7:46
them and then you're like oh wow they're amazing.
7:49
That's a totally different but they're amazing. Yeah,
7:51
and then you clans. That. Is will
7:53
be writing as the series is selling stealth
7:55
then. He starts to. Settle into
7:57
thinking of those actors as. The.
8:00
I don't prefer. Same for view is
8:02
it takes a while to settle in
8:05
the new costs but then because this
8:07
was the second season with the same
8:09
cost yeah totally hats less is Margaret
8:11
my head hurt his and form how
8:13
you write as and in what way.
8:15
Leslie brings new thanks to Margaret. I
8:17
feel like she gives us a glimpse
8:20
of her vulnerability and seen before so
8:22
she lets you see that tennis little
8:24
gap between have been really really funny
8:26
and then was underneath which is actually
8:28
she's very vulnerable person. Yeah. So there's
8:30
a real beaten that the way she plays
8:32
that you really feel fasting athletes and amazing
8:34
amazing A but then at the same time
8:37
still so incredibly funny and quickly said and
8:39
you will mess with her. He.
8:43
Suggests. I'm saying
8:45
is is it about seeing that
8:48
on the wind. Knocked
8:50
on the way out. Next
8:58
I wanted to ask Director
9:00
Alex Good Boss Seats about
9:02
working with Lesley Manville on
9:04
this incredibly moving episode. Over
9:07
the conversation you had to lazy with
9:10
the guards to before you started filming
9:12
this episode and what will he won't
9:14
eat and also would it be to
9:16
cost more? I think the first thing
9:18
for us was to math. What?
9:21
Does strokes would mean and where
9:23
they would appear and how much
9:26
he would does was very very
9:28
practical approach. First Cs have the
9:30
pleaded with you would be how
9:32
long that will be for how
9:34
long will take your we're habitation.
9:36
Yeah. So. Then diligence to
9:38
sort of follow and is would
9:41
be celts and not to jump
9:43
from one another and highly connected
9:45
then back to the heart. Size
9:48
not flashbacks to her memories of
9:50
of that night. A yeah, Exactly
9:52
where I would those memories com
9:54
man, how would they be See
9:56
you have warranted in that sense
9:58
during dinner says. So and
10:00
those things where importance and
10:03
it doesn't sisters. It isn't
10:05
it's it's it's about. Their.
10:08
Connection. And were oh
10:10
started I suppose how much
10:12
the secret stayed between them
10:15
men was that and represents
10:17
and I think of in
10:19
our conversations. Was. Very
10:21
much for the actors. Realized
10:23
it was very important to
10:25
understand. Not. Only how
10:28
physically that would have affected heard but
10:30
how. Much. In terms of
10:32
our psyche and psychologically and and
10:34
even memory wise you know you
10:36
get the T did and how
10:38
much you can not say the
10:40
things you say so always so
10:42
witty. And brilliant and
10:44
and this case you'd have to
10:46
slow down eventually. he her delivery
10:48
So those things are really thought
10:51
through and we we mapped out
10:53
and we we numeral as when
10:55
they would come. Fast.
11:01
Or was it not case of that
11:03
one must pass the next as I
11:05
was kind of us for the minimum
11:08
wage it's all over the think the
11:10
we're pleased we've seen because you i
11:12
tell you what happened that that's the
11:14
day night was shot outside London we
11:16
built that Piccadilly Circus which is phenomenally
11:18
great done by frame store and or
11:20
that you know idea but we did
11:22
do a lot of stuff that was
11:24
very much grounded in that we had
11:26
a sort of square like that and
11:28
and thankfully on that day Piccadilly at
11:30
a. Particular thing that makes it so
11:33
much V day because you have the
11:35
statue was covered by some kind of
11:37
construction that some they did for the
11:39
day so we did that and we
11:41
found some kind of reason street lights
11:43
sweet that we had been add to
11:45
it and the crown can give you
11:47
that only the crown. So we had
11:50
like three two hundred fifty extras on
11:52
that day all dressed in nineteen forces
11:54
costs him and we had those buses
11:56
and I had so all those things
11:58
so I had to two days to
12:00
shoot exterior and one to shoot some
12:02
in tears of what would be the
12:04
Ritz. yes ends. On. I
12:07
finish that's the last day which
12:09
I finished the worm one I
12:11
had to go straight to paris
12:13
to sued the next state are
12:16
seen for it's of one size
12:18
so those scenes was shot in
12:20
between or the scenes I saw
12:22
to of of migrants also just
12:24
a. A new on how brilliant
12:27
boon violin are as well as as the
12:29
young log in an illicit that is wow
12:31
the can a pipe and say that a
12:33
doing just yet. It's a great is a
12:35
great through line is so you can can
12:37
see them. I mean. In.
12:39
Terms of them as she looks like clear for
12:41
his wow, his kindness. Meant.
12:44
sits is else in countries. Like
12:46
just done like that kind of weird
12:48
facial stuff that they can do to
12:50
deeds. People on clay and it's like
12:52
none of that said if not says
12:54
that wow yeah is it's uncanny is
12:57
uncanny. I think the first thing we
12:59
sought with them was the one arriving
13:01
at the Ritz ah as the Ball
13:03
Room Cs and and it's to mom
13:05
is that I see I see just
13:07
clear for and says it says this
13:09
is such a brilliant actor so violent
13:12
that see actually I think she's studies
13:14
class the way that is not He
13:16
invites us to digest with. It
13:18
as that clarify a lead and then way
13:21
says well go with you to the in
13:23
cook rice was when it hits he doesn't
13:25
know yet if any goal ice how it
13:28
is it didn't do it mm our so
13:30
some has given that. As
13:37
long as the ones that so. I
13:47
love it's or highly you know Even
13:49
still, how's the high into the most
13:51
in this? This episode is around Margaret
13:53
and her her health. See. Never
13:55
loses that twinkle or day
13:58
comedic nature. The To. It
14:00
over there and unless his performance
14:03
the way she does size just
14:05
fantastic. Never lost. It's always there.
14:07
It's really brilliant. Is all
14:09
that on the page? or? Is part of that
14:11
Lessees? it's you know, interpretation and
14:14
brilliant performance and and playfulness with
14:16
this character I'd say is more
14:18
Leslie I think. Was. The
14:20
scripts gives you. A certain
14:22
things that you just because. The
14:25
good great thing about people's scripts
14:27
and and in this case Peter
14:29
and Mariel Sir Bani is that
14:31
they don't has you. Know.
14:34
What to seal? Is. Is
14:37
all says in the pays in terms of
14:39
dialogue. So you basically take. What? You
14:41
want and you put in and I
14:43
think. What for
14:45
me was for us is very important
14:48
and specially the editing process was that
14:50
again. How much do
14:52
you see? the regression and
14:54
then progression back to your
14:56
former selves And that was
14:58
given by. Her. Wits
15:01
and humor even when says comes
15:03
from the second stroke season that
15:05
dinner or lunch with willing mom and
15:07
agree month plus expenses for to say
15:10
it out and then and I also
15:12
gone with the days of you see
15:14
months ago that I received a laser
15:17
Tennessee A know that this is and
15:19
while he does go Cs and then
15:21
adding i know time he heard the
15:24
early to start singing again in
15:26
a whole lot of this you went
15:28
for it because was a newsgroup again
15:31
and. Then seen braces. That and
15:33
that's what I talk about. Actors
15:35
that says lines to play air.
15:38
As. Soon. As
15:40
I days of dead soon anyway.
15:42
I thought I might as well
15:45
as bad. Is
15:47
my seven has this This
15:49
this that and. I've. Decided
15:51
I want to set of as it
15:54
was Icepick Pass It. Was.
15:57
For it's. Nicholas.
16:01
Can. Revisit that. The.
16:04
We. Will. Come. With
16:07
such such. Pushed.
16:12
Moon.
16:14
Than. Me:
16:19
So. Sad I
16:21
missed some. Salsa.
16:26
Come on. This episode of the
16:28
crime, the Official protest. Who
16:30
hear more about Finding Lights Moments
16:33
and Princess Margaret? Final Years
16:35
with Actor Leslie Mann? So. Fast!
16:38
I met producer Mark Hottest and
16:40
says been a huge part of
16:42
the crime since the beginning. Did
16:46
you ever imagine that your journey with
16:48
it would last for nine years? Oh
16:50
my goodness. I mean I come from
16:52
a have a family small all republicans
16:55
and it's kind of like the notion
16:57
of and it would be interested the
16:59
royal family. Three curious to me yeah
17:01
and soon became obsessed as health benefits.
17:04
So he sure made you interested in the
17:06
history and the stories and the kotick. So
17:08
very much so and just the whole
17:10
come across Jews and Christians in the
17:12
and the pressures of Boots on the
17:14
on the royal family yeah that was
17:17
a Ceos as issues factor to. Think
17:19
that's almost a representation of.
17:22
Soon. As things I wanted to ask you this
17:24
why you think it's resonate with the audience. So
17:26
well While The Crime is such
17:29
a popular show around the world
17:31
for to was would in season
17:33
sing in a way it is
17:36
essentially because it's a family drama.
17:38
It's about sammy relationships that all
17:40
of us can identify with across
17:43
cultures. but it's a family dynamic
17:45
that has this added almost like
17:47
a straitjacket of all the establishment
17:50
and cause to school pressures that
17:52
surround it which makes it even
17:54
more dysfunctional. So. I think. We.
17:57
All fascinated by dysfunctional families I think.
18:00
The reassurance and an away
18:02
the roles of strap on
18:04
strike miss been probably see
18:06
exemplary assumption family because the
18:08
Sam yeah I'm it's impossible.
18:10
impossible constraints appear on the.
18:12
Here it's the final season. Is
18:14
how does it feel. See. That
18:17
it's the end of it's coming
18:19
to the is really hard. It's really
18:21
hard. I mean of see for
18:23
all of my career I've been freelance
18:26
so I've been imitates. It's been
18:28
a very fancy a life of three
18:30
months here, six months there, a knife
18:32
to stun, nine years. Ah it's the
18:35
best I've ever. really. Had a
18:37
long permanent job athletic Verizon. the he
18:39
has assistant and might say a
18:41
personally is also very difficult. My wife
18:43
died or two months into the
18:45
beginning. Of the show. So I
18:47
started in August twenty fourteen and
18:50
she died in December and the
18:52
show was an enormous. It's like
18:54
a life raft for me and
18:56
and some as an excuse my
18:58
of displacement and and kind of
19:00
postponing sayings and to come supplements
19:02
myself through the show and now
19:04
I realize lunges later that part's
19:06
i've got a can of does
19:08
Also sick of our as well
19:10
he suggests that she the whole
19:12
thing on again a major home
19:14
because the show was just. So
19:16
all encompassing I'm it was who
19:19
sleep absorbing as you can imagine.
19:21
So this as well. It's a
19:23
rare beast in the sense that
19:25
so many people who were. Repeat
19:29
offenders and kept coming back.
19:32
That that shows how much they enjoyed.
19:34
Expedient marry him. I see of men aren't
19:36
so there's a lot of people I'm going
19:38
to really really Miss is hugely. The.
19:40
What's up with the political? Science
19:44
and also everybody went so
19:46
well together is assumed to
19:48
see like. Most creative.
19:51
Industries in it has it's
19:54
fair share of Kenneth Egotists
19:56
and Narcissus. but seriously, I.
19:59
Would say. Crime. On
20:01
the whole had none of this in
20:03
three hundred people plus working on it
20:05
and every one of the process is
20:07
the lights and that's an incredible racing
20:09
and the i think the reputation spread
20:12
across the country and sense of people
20:14
with talk about to cry know how
20:16
the wants to own it because it
20:18
seems as if the joy from show
20:20
and it once. They
20:23
see for listen to this you only go
20:25
into the might not be fully aware of.
20:27
The Room the rules of. Pretty sad
20:29
because. System produces can do
20:31
different things on a production. Yes, we
20:33
specifically what does your rule as a
20:35
producer on the show and both my,
20:38
my most, my experience and my greatest
20:40
strength is as insists Director of Cynicism
20:42
directives thirty years and so I can
20:45
mail the to rules together. Some a
20:47
very much a kind of producer onset
20:49
because I'm actually the first A D
20:52
onset sickly Black seen. I worked very
20:54
well together I think for him it
20:56
was good. set. Decisions to
20:58
be made pretty quickly. Yeah, without
21:00
having to kind of committee about
21:02
it. Will kind of decisions. I knew this
21:05
A in terms of give it as you an example of
21:07
what kind of decision should be. With can make
21:09
on the Grind Well for example,
21:11
in the i'm Nineteen Forty Five
21:13
stuff, I mean there was a
21:15
whole big conversation Mahoney Us: We
21:17
do that because to do the
21:19
street sequences, we're crowds very difficult
21:21
central London at six doing something
21:23
like a crime which is attracting
21:26
so much attention. And it was
21:28
my suggestion that we go to
21:30
have. And I only knew
21:32
how is a possibility because but fifteen
21:34
years ago I settled on Royal Night
21:36
Out between dark General Director yes I
21:39
did the initial schedule for that and
21:41
I remembered them talking about solace a
21:43
possibility So I moved to decide to
21:45
have been to which was quite big
21:48
thing because it's it means overnight for
21:50
the crew is a for our travel
21:52
so it has soon search repercussions yes
21:55
but it was the right decision on
21:57
land like we did it and I
21:59
think. Those elements of see an
22:01
episode eight to ninety four fi sequence
22:03
of the walking from the Palace to
22:06
the the Club and then returning. I
22:08
think they went really well. I think
22:10
cats are they can A crazy carnivalesque
22:12
atmosphere of T Night. Live.
22:33
There brilliant. Movements I think across the
22:35
hill. Where. For. A
22:37
moment or for seen that we almost
22:40
a pile of. The. Crime
22:42
world does not look as
22:44
them that there are slightly
22:47
outside of what we expect.
22:49
And I think that that wonderful
22:51
seen in pink think beneath the
22:53
Ritz. Is one of those. On.
22:56
A production level of cool in
22:58
that together with the extras to
23:00
Done Sin is the choreography. all
23:02
that fun stuff the way that
23:04
it's short way to show. Some.
23:07
I took the lead a nice one
23:09
of us him give her a really
23:11
big shoutout for Poly Bennett who is
23:13
a choreographer. That sues
23:15
vitality and energy of that. Sequence
23:18
is done to her. I
23:20
think what we did is
23:22
to says is be facilitated.
23:25
Everything she needed To me that work
23:27
life So you know you do shows
23:29
where you have a Korean frame and
23:32
they get like two hours have it's
23:34
a slow a while when my senior
23:36
say it but rothys we set up
23:38
we had a huge marquee on the
23:41
back not we set up proper rehearsals
23:43
with it's He dances of which there
23:45
were lots of t dances. It wasn't
23:48
a big refill them with of maybe
23:50
a hundred and ten other supporting artist
23:52
yeah but there was probably about twenty.
23:55
Twenty Five. Ah, dances
23:57
Yeah, I am. poorly.
24:00
The opportunity of just probably really
24:02
exploring that's and Alex as a
24:04
director was really happy for her
24:06
to do that. Just explore it
24:08
to insane to have fun of
24:10
it's is Brazilians. He was the
24:12
perfect direct for day a big
24:15
big party see me Mardi Gras
24:17
just slows or his sister same
24:19
scene at a bus pass in
24:21
that respect every she'll sit in
24:23
the Cynics club in Charing Cross
24:25
Law which is a beautiful club
24:27
is great place. a tiny space.
24:30
And it involves day. Incredible amount
24:32
of. Zane some
24:34
everybody calls because it was so
24:36
close phobic down then so full
24:38
of people and tells the city
24:41
offices getting hysterical and as you
24:43
can imagine this is also a
24:45
pools into action. Lots of other
24:47
departments is costing the palms efforts
24:50
and then and then the crowd
24:52
makeup department a mean it is
24:54
a lot of people's done excuse
24:57
my work and then Cyprus musicians
24:59
yeah the. Name is it was it
25:01
is. It's hard for Joyce and shall I
25:03
not until I snow one's gonna come away
25:05
so so mean that with us without a
25:08
smile on her. Die they are and it
25:10
was to very very hot sweaty days as
25:12
as you say is not Korean like and
25:14
anyways quite surprised that it works but it
25:16
works brilliantly I think. His
25:22
assets. And
25:40
finally. Here is our
25:42
Princess Margaret for the spinal
25:44
time. The. Wonderful! Lesley
25:47
Manville. Alessi
25:50
so great to get to chat t that
25:52
Naga again and this to form is
25:54
in this. Final season sight. To
25:56
see you know and that it's That's it.
25:58
That's it with his character. The I
26:00
feel like I've really done
26:03
her at this extraordinary time
26:05
with her life which was
26:07
less show we. But
26:10
more about the internal. Turmoil.
26:13
And loneliness that she was telling says
26:15
so. I guess I'm all right with
26:17
saying by but it's a of see
26:20
a massive part of mine my life
26:22
not just at the two years of
26:24
doing it. Burns says a huge amount
26:27
of time the I knew before that
26:29
that I was gonna play her own
26:31
reading all the books and just basking
26:34
in. Margaret Land was some
26:36
so pleasurable and interesting and funny
26:38
and obviously I always loved the
26:40
series anyway and going back when
26:43
I knew I was in the
26:45
player I'm watching the Nesser and
26:47
Helena and just watching the whole
26:49
staying and the kind of real.
26:52
In my bones thrill
26:55
of knowing that. I.
26:57
Was gonna take on that. Tone
27:00
and do Margaret to the
27:02
very end matter how nice
27:04
to her dying days. But
27:06
what I was never prepared
27:08
for. Was. Quite
27:12
extraordinary. Script.
27:15
That Peter Morgan wrote
27:17
for Margaret. And Elizabeth and
27:19
was so wonderful about it is that.
27:23
It's. A
27:25
very personal and intimate love
27:27
story about these two sisters
27:29
vs that they're Elizabeth Ann
27:31
Margaret but they're not the
27:33
queen and a princess that
27:35
two sisters and the scenes
27:38
are just quite beautiful and
27:40
so that's been and mazin
27:42
privilege to do specially with
27:44
either my long time friend
27:46
Imelda. This is a beautiful
27:48
energy of the to view
27:50
he knew on screen and
27:52
and that history and friendship
27:54
genuine friendship. He had comes. through you
27:56
know in your performance is not want to eat.
27:59
You and will. They have for each other I
28:01
think. Great. When you have that was
28:03
someone does you get so much
28:05
the nothing? yeah you don't have
28:07
to kind of citizens work out
28:09
how how that sets in a
28:11
warm sun and summa Yeah no
28:13
Margaret Elizabeth A funny that boasts
28:15
funny women mean obviously Margaret lead
28:17
a life that gave her so
28:19
many more occasions to revel in
28:21
that humor and have she and
28:23
naughtiness and of course Elizabeth spend
28:25
to licensing to rain all of
28:27
that in and be proper. but
28:29
you you get to see them.
28:31
Twinkling. Together Yeah, it's It's
28:34
quite something. With the Ritz Saudi
28:36
we see Elizabeth kind of. The
28:38
memory kind of put fuck and
28:40
it's been kind of ignite. It's
28:42
by Margaret, mention it and then
28:44
it comes up time and time
28:46
again. Is she seems determined to
28:49
tell this secrets yeah, that they've
28:51
hired. For most of
28:53
their life. Why do you think? It's.
28:55
Been written like that for. Her to reveal
28:58
this. Yeah, you get the ceiling
29:00
very much that that Elizabeth does
29:02
not Muslim This story to be
29:04
told Well, I mean it's got
29:07
Margaret naughtiness written all over it,
29:09
but I think it's. The.
29:11
Deeper significance of it is
29:13
that. Well, on
29:15
some levels it's Margaret saying we're
29:18
not so dissimilar Doesn't use just
29:20
have to. Live. A different
29:22
life because of the role that you've had
29:24
to play and responsibilities that you have. But.
29:28
I think it's mainly because
29:31
Margaret. Wants. People to
29:33
know that. There
29:35
is that side in Elizabeth.
29:39
Because. Pretty much everyone
29:41
apart from the real in
29:43
a circle and Elizabeth's. Buried
29:45
his friends. See the
29:48
queen. That's what they see
29:50
him. And they don't see the
29:52
woman who. Did. Something
29:54
rather wonderful and so
29:56
that time daring and
29:59
risk gay and bow
30:01
to. An fun
30:03
here. I mean not the Elizabeth has
30:05
had a life as. Have
30:08
no such. Yes, that's not
30:10
so much. Certainly the public
30:12
perception? Yes. And. I
30:15
think it's. Also. About saying.
30:18
You. Know. We. May be. Different
30:20
in a lot of ways that there
30:23
is this little seed that of you
30:25
and I being quite similar. Sloth.
30:28
And night. To. Remember.
30:31
Was a member almost
30:34
last year. And
30:36
Bond. With seven. Months
30:39
sandia. The
30:42
real you. The.
30:44
You that you gave up in order to be
30:46
the other You. Is
30:49
A so I. Didn't.
30:51
Miss A, She was so much fun!
30:55
Loving man. Who
30:58
even is? Her health is deteriorating and.
31:02
Your Margaret hasn't lost that
31:04
ability to. That's. Enough
31:06
that kind as and try to kind of
31:08
them whether that's with a comment or try
31:11
to tell the story about the Ritz this
31:13
night that the hide it the way as
31:15
and and it's only a little kind of
31:17
twinkling her i that she's she's just want
31:20
to get one over on her sister. you
31:22
know. So the very last moment on rye
31:24
I'm even when she's ill you know, the
31:26
upper i assume up and. That.
31:28
Level of real genuine would naughtiness
31:31
Now, especially with her sister. Yes,
31:33
you know it. It just didn't
31:35
diminish even through her illness. and
31:37
I. And as I get that
31:40
if you are that person, I
31:42
st Margaret must have been incredibly
31:44
angry about the thought of having
31:47
to leave the world's Yeah and
31:49
not just because she loves. To
31:51
like. That because I
31:53
think she must have felt that
31:56
says last two decades of her
31:58
life were a little. I'm Oh,
32:00
you know, she didn't have what
32:02
other people in the early had.
32:05
She didn't have the longevity of
32:07
a relationship. The. Solidity if
32:09
somebody who you may not share
32:11
a bed with every night as
32:13
Elizabeth and sell it didn't but
32:15
somebody who's that? Yeah, we'll use
32:17
and she didn't have that under.
32:20
Was lonely through her and
32:22
I know so that thing
32:24
as being. Ill
32:26
and. Looking ill.
32:29
Yeah Minister iconic images Her in
32:31
the Chance the Colonials her with
32:33
the glasses. And you
32:35
know she said that. She did.
32:38
She almost covered every fists of
32:40
her face that was posted because
32:42
she didn't want men to see
32:44
her know. What
32:46
was your preparation for that site
32:49
is it into intensities? She went
32:51
to earn a number of strokes
32:53
that had different effects on heart.
32:55
Physically hardy speech and and you
32:58
performance is extraordinary. So delicate, beautiful
33:00
and ten. During the we the Secret
33:02
Three those. What? Was you can
33:04
as and of preparation for that is well
33:06
and also with Alex you director you know
33:08
about. That as well as and how
33:10
to navigate that journey for. Her. It
33:13
was a tough journey to navigate
33:15
as an episode is not as
33:17
long as he st and you
33:19
know it really does very, very
33:21
delicately abuses you say chart her
33:24
declines. That stance is a very
33:26
complex sing. So I spoke to
33:28
speech therapists. I spoke to experts
33:30
who work in stroke units, medical
33:33
teams who bring people, round off
33:35
the strokes and sort of get
33:37
them walking and talking again. And
33:39
I spoke to about two or
33:41
three. Stroke victims to had
33:44
had different levels of severity
33:46
with their strengths and ah
33:48
so that was some. Quite
33:51
difficult leg yes because they are
33:54
one gentleman the I spoke to
33:56
everything was there. it was like
33:58
oh the words were. He had
34:00
every thought was in his head. But.
34:04
She couldn't say sins and the
34:06
frustration that he went through. So
34:08
it's it was some. Fascinating
34:11
to do that. And Nick who's
34:13
on of our dialect coaches came
34:15
with me to those sessions just
34:17
to have that person that to
34:19
see. I'm on a trip. And
34:21
you know and then I worked with
34:23
the hair and makeup. Team. How
34:26
we would deal with somebody? Say
34:28
Cst when they had a very
34:30
bad stroke. Yes, as collapse as
34:32
as mouth collapse and as I
34:34
collapse and we wanted to go
34:36
to thaw and if we thought
34:38
it was too much with you
34:40
know we'd pull back end. So
34:42
as I say, there's all these
34:45
degrees of it really. But the
34:47
thing that is so beautiful about
34:49
the script that he's written, he
34:51
could have just written us a
34:53
tragic script. Yeah, but he's written.
34:55
A script where you absolutely see
34:57
the Margaret that you saw been
34:59
next to do in episode one.
35:01
You see that Margaret now yet
35:03
still. you're absolutely right. You can
35:06
see that products us yes and
35:08
all that a Cs spare for
35:10
was still kind of patients through.
35:12
Yes, I mean that's. What's
35:14
been wonderful about playing Margaret is
35:16
because it's like in season as
35:18
a few characters I've played by
35:20
you can sue to say well
35:22
she's sources a bit of everything
35:25
is as you know she is
35:27
center and wants to be. Gorgeous.
35:29
And the life and soul of the
35:31
party. But then she's also. The other
35:33
side of it is this person who's
35:35
going. Okay, right So here
35:38
I am. What's happening to my going
35:40
to see today? The Diaries M T
35:42
A though the dogs here or have
35:44
a drink? it's It's just so brilliant.
35:46
But I do, so that's what you
35:49
said. First of all, I feel. The.
35:52
Surf is up so he completes
35:54
And not just my circles but
35:56
that I've seen a stuff the
35:58
circle that was. Vanessa and
36:01
Helena and I say one I
36:03
was talking. To someone like this
36:05
for the scene standards. Which is when
36:07
she sex and first cigarette in see
36:09
find one in a coat pocket and
36:11
it's almost like this orgasmic react. Ceasefire
36:15
has a cigarette and it's
36:17
so. It's such a great
36:19
movie is such. A great performance.
36:21
And it was at yeah, it was
36:23
it a button that the great thing
36:25
about working with Alex capacity mean we've
36:27
had amazing directors on this. I've had
36:29
a brilliant time with Alex Debussy. He's
36:31
been. Just. Oh.
36:34
So insightful and to
36:36
says little little things.
36:38
And because we. Had
36:41
a good relationship, were always talking
36:43
about a scene and testing about
36:45
moments and it's so I sell.
36:47
I had this absolute Freedom units
36:50
and a moment like thought you
36:52
know you com. You. Could
36:54
you know? Be. Pedantic.
36:57
Unscripted and of it, but. I.
36:59
It was just is. he's hunting for
37:01
cigarettes and she finds one in six
37:03
Six com It's It's who's been a
37:05
chain smoker all her life, has to
37:07
suddenly been told not to smoke ever
37:09
again. And and it's so great that
37:11
you said the weather we've got that
37:13
he finds in an old smelly Just
37:15
kits and it's a really crumpled up
37:17
old. Cigarette. That's probably all dried
37:19
up. Know. Listen, sushi kind of the i'm
37:22
kind of like straight hundred. Hours. In
37:24
in the coat pocket. About all
37:26
of us. Who
37:29
was it like so many was last seen
37:31
to the moussa you know having his last
37:33
moments together attempts I find it really hard
37:36
to talk about and to say was serving
37:38
losing an emotional a me i cry or
37:40
anything and way but it was just there
37:42
was a kind of. Know
37:44
seen a kind of some. So
37:47
way. But the great com on
37:49
those days you know we would
37:51
just really just we just knew
37:53
how to do those seen yet
37:55
you know it was some. Very.
37:58
Special. Doing it. The Noda
38:00
and. You I have sisters
38:03
so I understand that relationship isn't
38:05
really well. Yes, it does. Some
38:07
of the best scenes that I've
38:09
ever had to do in my
38:11
career, so they mean a lot
38:13
to me. A
38:15
little you. Oh
38:25
far as who stopped is. What?
38:29
Have you up and out of here in new
38:31
friends know? Phases.
38:36
Serious. And Thirty. Seconds.
38:39
He'll it. Of
38:43
Hans here all night.
38:48
The can't see where is the in. All
38:51
see a nursing. Vote
38:55
is. This.
38:59
There's a minute or and
39:01
name was his her. Adoptive
39:05
tell me you aren't eating the
39:07
in. Would
39:10
rather. Not hungry.
39:14
When I bought you these. So
39:17
favorite. Sham
39:20
Tarts. You. Know
39:23
you thought. I
39:26
would you describe their relationship is
39:29
easy. Elizabeth Ann Margaret finishes with
39:31
so many sister as rivalry is
39:33
jealous see it as ah yeah
39:35
will consider and what the Queen
39:38
says no to was Margaret and
39:40
the fact that this forgiveness there
39:42
in a way through the years
39:45
that it's not. it hasn't affected
39:47
the relationship know, But I think
39:49
that happens with systems. I'm at
39:51
my experience. You know you're so
39:54
close to them and therefore you.
39:56
Feel you have the right
39:58
to criticize. You
40:01
can say all of these things because it's
40:03
not like a marriage or a boyfriend that
40:05
you. You might say this stuff and then
40:07
it would be over and you might never
40:10
see the state this person is in your
40:12
life is forever. So
40:14
there's a cop blogs about how
40:16
you can be with them. And
40:19
I think that Elizabeth
40:22
really recognized the complexities.
40:25
And how hard it was for Margaret and.
40:29
Me: She makes such speech, doesn't see
40:31
all the and has a Thursday's yeah
40:33
I mean that whole section of the
40:35
determination did this part is gonna hop
40:38
and she's she's waited. New shoes. Yes,
40:42
It is as it's the terrible the
40:44
as far as pln her ankles she
40:46
bent on close as horrible did
40:48
you speak to anyone who had been
40:51
around her at that time to
40:53
for funnily enough I know people. Because.
40:55
She mixed in this industry yes like
40:58
this. You know I do know quite
41:00
a few people who you haven't. They
41:02
do regaled me with stories about. The
41:05
times that they met her. Yeah,
41:07
my best friend has a photo
41:10
of her parents with Margaret. I
41:12
think they're in mustique. I
41:14
use seats away So we lost said that you
41:17
nearly matt hard in the sticks Yes, that that
41:19
was like some not telling you that such as
41:21
a story is that if you need see I've
41:23
got a fun while and I suspect that was
41:26
her happy place. Listen it because yeah Elizabeth even
41:28
says that in it and one of the yes
41:30
we says okay that's why you'll get where are
41:32
you going to mustique at the weekend for you
41:34
to hire your happiest yes we see was I
41:37
suppose there was a breed them you know I
41:39
mean. The. Pressure you
41:41
can't allow any you you know,
41:43
not when they were young which
41:45
is a beauty of. The.
41:48
Seeing them young in episode Eight, they could
41:50
go out and they weren't recognize because the
41:52
media was nothing like what it is now.
41:54
Yes, and lots of people didn't have to
41:57
will. People generally didn't have televisions that weren't
41:59
televisions really. The until the coronation
42:01
so you could be anonymous, but
42:03
not so in the latter years.
42:05
And you know every time you
42:08
step outside that door. You've
42:11
gotta be Princess Margaret! To
42:13
go to be on. And
42:15
I think that's why Margaret just is a
42:17
lot it would they all did but you
42:19
know Margaret to sort of to do
42:21
loads of swallow raise and people round is
42:24
in his of the have a safe place
42:26
but mustique was that really with knobs on
42:28
because she could just. Be
42:31
in the see. Nobody would
42:33
have the her yes. Last
42:38
and sick with sites
42:40
not an easy, Jordan
42:42
watches as a. Royal.
42:49
I've. Put your
42:51
finger as. A
42:54
lot. Easier.
42:58
To take it is it away from her when
43:00
you when you and have you finished with this
43:02
part is that something from slurred and. About this
43:04
this kotick have that that through the
43:06
real the real person that it's based
43:08
on his well that you're like oh
43:10
i think it's all. Quite close
43:12
Still, Yes, because I have.
43:15
Not played other characters over the two
43:17
years, but. See. Seen
43:20
their absolutely and to his
43:22
is the longest. Will.
43:25
Absolutely the long I mean I've done plays, the.
43:28
Them. The most I've ever done a
43:30
play for is five months. I've
43:33
never had somebody in my
43:35
bones said two years so
43:37
I think is gonna take
43:40
some processing. Yeah and I
43:42
think that I might. Go.
43:46
And read the books again. More
43:48
the books I read. The. For
43:50
in the beginning ear tourists to do the
43:52
research. not ages to do the research as
43:54
I read them in such as that of
43:56
lazily oh god what a great books think
43:58
it would be nice. Known.
44:01
To. Go back. Because
44:04
when you read a book in you're
44:06
doing research you know it's at the
44:08
enlisted Old Marcus. I'd put in a
44:10
specially every page was marked and that
44:12
was day glo pad everywhere and to
44:15
a degree you don't go back that
44:17
much. It's almost about the process of
44:19
reading it for the first time and
44:21
going all that since stance somehow by
44:23
osmosis. it go eight go again. but
44:25
I'd love to go back to those
44:27
books not they've all got the tags
44:29
still and just read them without the
44:31
pressure of housing says creates her. Anymore,
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but hopefully. The
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other thing I was hate from her
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phenomena. I'd love one of those
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and also it might make me up my game
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Alex Cabal see a nanny or
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