0:00

And we did shoot in Kazakhstan, where

0:02

you really, you couldn't mess about with

0:04

your vehicles. And all the

0:06

crew and the safety people would take a

0:08

discovery, but they wouldn't take a raindriver. And

0:10

we'd have an afternoon whizzing round and round

0:13

the farm, see who could go fastest to

0:15

demolish most of Hertfordshire. I got down on

0:17

my knees and grabbed all the Stanley horses

0:19

I've got. And they

0:21

were both wetting themselves with

0:24

like, what are you doing? That

0:26

was a joke. Hello,

0:36

and welcome to episode 49 of

0:39

the Collecting Addicts podcast, that's my

0:41

dog barking. And he's excited because

0:43

Chris Cooper tells us that within

0:45

a couple of days, this is

0:48

the one year anniversary of us first

0:50

recording together, which is an

0:52

amazing accompaniment for all of

0:54

us, given that everyone's so busy apart from

0:56

me, everyone else has real jobs. So today,

0:59

we'll start with something of

1:01

medium temperature, but still pertinent to driving

1:03

in the UK, maybe America as well.

1:06

Why is, why will

1:08

the discovery form always rule?

1:10

Why whenever I see a discovery for do I go,

1:12

that's the best thing they've done in the last 20

1:14

years? Yeah. Now, this was

1:16

proposed by Bill Clifford, who I often go to

1:19

first, but this time I'm going to Chris Cooper,

1:21

who I believe, like me, is a great fan

1:23

of this car. I am. It's

1:25

peak Land Rover. It's

1:27

peak Land Rover. If the Ineos

1:30

Bombardier, Bombloader, Gums,

1:33

carriage, Grenadier thing is a

1:36

reverse TARDIS, this

1:38

is an actual TARDIS. It

1:40

is bigger on the inside

1:43

than you think it's going to

1:45

be. And it's better than the Discovery 3.

1:48

Discovery 3, some of the signing bits

1:50

of Discovery 3, I think a bit

1:52

neater, a bit simpler. But

1:55

it had that 2.7 V6 diesel

1:57

engine, which wasn't really quite up to the...

2:00

job. Although if you can

2:02

find a unicorn v8 discovery

2:05

3 manual normally

2:08

aspirated v8 that's the thing

2:10

that's the thing but just go for with

2:13

the three litre the sd6 so 258 horsepower if

2:17

it was a dog it'd be

2:19

a Labrador other dogs are

2:21

available other lovely dogs are available Neil

2:24

you've got a very very lovely Ridgeback

2:27

but occasionally you might want a Ridgeback

2:30

to bite something but

2:32

a discovery never would a discovery would never

2:34

bite anybody it would just want to help

2:37

it would just reach out its doors and

2:40

reach out to everybody say I can

2:42

do that I can help it'll be fine it'll

2:44

be no so Labrador whatever you want

2:46

to do I can do it is the

2:49

Labrador it's and it was a period

2:52

something what I've talked to boys about this and they said it's

2:55

not the problem is for the

2:57

the toff trucks trucks

3:00

for toffs Range Rovers is

3:02

that it's gone a bit discovery

3:05

five was completely I mean what's

3:07

that number plate thing that Jerry

3:10

it's you again that silly number

3:13

plate thing you can visualize discovery five of the

3:15

car it's a rare thing but actually you don't

3:17

need to speak so viewers

3:19

will now see what

3:21

discovery five is yeah

3:24

it is what it is

3:26

no friend about so

3:28

I think it's peak land rover it is it's just

3:31

the best thing it will always we've

3:33

got one we bought

3:35

it in yeah oh

3:37

god look at it yeah that's a

3:40

full unseen if ever you see one what's

3:42

the collective noun what's the collective noun for

3:44

more than one discovery five tell

3:48

us make it a gag it just

3:50

goes it's a way I'm

3:54

trying to be a bit more polite Discoveries

3:57

and you could get a very very briefly

3:59

you get. The discovery five in

4:01

green but then jury decided that

4:03

was far too rural. Unacceptable.

4:06

In the some point in the early two

4:08

thousand tens, Anybody has

4:10

anybody had a discovery for didn't have a rangy

4:12

as discovery from we got one point two thousand

4:14

and sixteen. he say that you have a say

4:16

that you want to do with a was somebody.

4:20

Once. When. I

4:22

was fast. I was want somebody. That's.

4:25

That I'm Cf. I mean, she's. You.

4:27

Actually, office and seventeen on key

4:29

when you were here when we're

4:31

going to tear gas ball. Lovely

4:33

com. Diversity of mine Calvin all

4:35

our lives father John had if if he

4:38

is me by saudi castaway universe ago and

4:40

we gonna buy. And will never

4:42

sell it. Will sort of make sure it

4:44

to go. So I think it's Peak Landrover.

4:47

It. Was the real Tardis discovery? Five

4:49

know the defender to defend and

4:51

ninety another. Love it. I would

4:53

annoy you. Love it. But.

4:56

That is a inverse Tavis about the

4:58

not the modern one. Yeah. The

5:00

but my all I can rarely I like

5:03

as well but it just discovery for his

5:05

unpretentious and it works and it's the right

5:07

say to get more in it. Pick.

5:10

Landrover. Yeah. I agree.

5:12

So. Let's speak to

5:14

avid love it. He probably. Doesn't.

5:16

Really give a shit about this

5:18

subject? No, I've. Never

5:20

been in one. Never

5:23

me like I'm every woman. I never have

5:25

to pay and one I've never needed to

5:28

own one. I'm

5:30

alright. thanks. What's.

5:32

I say to that over to admit this.

5:36

But as as stupid as passionately

5:38

about discovery both. Women

5:41

are pointless dispassionately. I have a

5:43

friend of mine who has two

5:45

boys and a peaceful read lab.

5:48

Has. Had one I mean for upset

5:50

years and used to transmit a bomb.

5:53

My. son and me a list to

5:55

up to football among the rare

5:57

occasion that my wife would say

6:00

to us, you had his

6:02

wife, so you had four adults, three

6:04

kids, seven of us sitting

6:07

as if we were in a lovely sort of,

6:09

I mean they are unbelievably big cars and with

6:11

two adults, we had two Coe and

6:13

Bella as well, we were absolutely fine, there were

6:15

little tiny details, this friend of mine is in

6:17

the motor racing business, he used to uh commentate

6:20

and now he does something else

6:22

but um he chooses his cars

6:25

very carefully, his father was actually

6:27

a work lotus driver and

6:29

um and uh competed

6:31

and won his class at Le

6:33

Mans back in the 60s

6:35

so he's, you know, daddy was very quick

6:38

and this guy's quite well known and he

6:40

chose this car because he really wanted something

6:42

that he could drive around in London with and do

6:44

a school drop but they've got this fantastic place up

6:46

in the lakes and they do a bit of

6:49

bit of off-roading there and

6:51

um this car is amazing, this

6:54

car is amazing, it does both but um

6:56

I will end with

6:58

the RAC reviews, rather fizzy assessment

7:01

of the car, they described it

7:03

as a solely wholes, clever

7:06

and classless masterpiece.

7:10

Well who wrote that, the RAC? Yeah

7:12

it's in the RAC review and I thought it was

7:14

beautiful because at that time it doesn't scream oh my

7:17

god at you when you see that in

7:19

London, fact that it really can work off-road,

7:22

those guys have sat down and gone no

7:24

no no, this is a Land

7:26

Rover just you know some old

7:28

version of it but it's that's an amazing

7:30

achievement. Yeah

7:35

it's it's more attractive you're

7:37

right um it's

7:39

remarkable that about

7:41

vehicle, I think we

7:43

now realize that we sometimes vehicles

7:46

become instantly iconic and

7:48

that that was for the moment it was released it was

7:50

just a brilliant piece of stuff it was a great piece

7:52

of proportioning, you just it just looked

7:55

right a bit like a race car sometimes you see a

7:57

race car I think that looks right it's going to be

7:59

fast discovery was always They were big, rarely.

8:01

Brokaw. Islands' go Chris Cooper that

8:03

are the faces that as it does

8:05

this go for is better looking the

8:07

this guy's rate some the much of

8:09

a disco three look a bit com

8:11

fisted and of aged really badly was

8:14

a disco full tummy still looks. Like.

8:16

He could have been built yesterday. I like to

8:18

discuss real. It's quite out of the interior of

8:20

this guy. Three if you look at it now

8:23

is a bit fisher price rises, disco balls with

8:25

dominant grip and it won't build. Roger those I

8:27

am. Is. A fantastic vehicle. The

8:30

I. Maybe. His.

8:32

The question and I'll post noted that as

8:34

a happy without doing so for the up

8:37

of this guy for because it's practice, it's

8:39

successor was so shocked. If if

8:41

the five had been magnificent. When.

8:43

We have forgotten about the for could we would

8:46

need to celebrate it because it wouldn't because it

8:48

wouldn't vote of how hit. Miss Landrover can be

8:50

pretty thick no. No,

8:52

I think the five zoom that the

8:55

five is almost invisible said so crap

8:57

the everyone's totally ignored it. Yeah, I'm

9:00

I always call this to beside a

9:02

controversial. I always call it the Discovery

9:04

Three. Because. The for

9:06

is the face less really. The big jump

9:08

forward was the three was net yet you

9:11

to see now the month he thousand three

9:13

or two thousand and four times I am

9:15

from an M on I bought one. And.

9:18

Two thousand and Five six. It was

9:20

all my stuff. First, Sort.

9:23

Of grown up, let's go to

9:25

a dealership and by a car

9:27

because oh shit, we've got children.

9:30

An alarm Syrian to grammarly is

9:32

not a sense of. Odour

9:35

car. Which. I.

9:37

Bought for that. Reason.

9:40

Of time to pick up Ruby

9:43

in two thousand from those puzzle

9:45

traded in a still live in

9:47

some in London at the time,

9:50

nail galley or lifted multiple. Helena

9:52

went to Salad Wise and tried

9:54

it in an M Three Sports

9:57

evolution. he thirty for twelve grand

9:59

and. It can. Yeah,

10:01

exactly exactly. We've all got these little

10:03

stories. This is definitely one for a

10:05

subject. loves his next. a next of

10:07

sixteen hundred quid and I got a

10:10

candy read deal a collection integrally for

10:12

door because I needed for the or

10:14

cause birth kid see in the bass.

10:16

Yeah, But then we oversee realize that's

10:18

not very sense for winnable a discovery

10:20

three and I think that was such

10:22

a leap forward. it was really the

10:24

know that that. The. Jump

10:26

into the modern era and it I

10:29

think that threes much prettier than the

10:31

for nice to buy new study. An

10:33

interesting thing on when we know it

10:35

may be a little bit over over

10:37

tough on our friend Jerry. Jerry didn't

10:39

design the three but he saw a

10:42

fucked up before you other facade you

10:44

the fall. It's better. Now.

10:47

It. Doesn't is not authorized to buy

10:49

me a ring is not at home

10:51

console way. I think it's completely clean

10:54

both it's hear it in terms of

10:56

it's symmetry is pure nurse. It's of

10:58

where I'd capability to see just standing

11:00

there. You can see this thing to

11:03

go across mountains I think garbage saucy

11:05

with the for. The. Grills a

11:07

it fussy, The as for his

11:09

his his opposed to for this is this is

11:11

one of the few com companies it was willing

11:13

to. Shamelessly. Hang on

11:15

to it's iconic vehicle, the Defender whether you call

11:18

it back in the diaper. That.

11:20

The decades and decades and decades I think that

11:22

that some okay with a to free the for

11:24

the basics a basic shenyang yeah okay or if

11:26

it if I think it was iconic and up

11:29

and at the such such as Out Access. But.

11:31

I wonder why that had rabbits and say well it's

11:33

less of a big of this baby like this to

11:35

the next says he is for they should I love

11:37

as a misstep as a mustang evidence. And

11:40

if that the new defender really is

11:42

the evolution of that it is admitting.

11:44

Yeah, evidence at the depends on how

11:46

does that fit into your theory of.

11:49

Car manufacturers always know what we want to.

11:51

They would get it right even if we

11:54

don't know that they do. Not.

11:56

Either or the other side. Isaac I I

11:58

think they noble. The. We. have done

12:00

credit for, of course they make mistakes, but

12:03

I think the worst thing they could do

12:05

is to clinic customers

12:09

in order to make cards. If you make what a

12:12

customer told you they want at that time, or

12:14

you take that information too seriously, you don't know what

12:16

sort of day they've had. Also, when you go into

12:18

a clinic, you go into the mindset of thinking of

12:21

trying to be clever, want to make a statement. If

12:23

you walked in and said, just make the one you

12:25

made before a bit better, they wouldn't believe you, but

12:27

that's what most of the times we want to say.

12:31

I think the bit, even

12:33

now, because at the weekend I had to do something,

12:35

I had to move a go-cart at

12:37

the weekend, like a racing go-cart,

12:40

boys have views and I occasionally go

12:42

in. And if you

12:44

put the third row down, which you

12:46

have down most of the time, the boot floor is

12:48

completely flat, you put the middle row

12:50

down, the boot floor is completely flat. It's

12:53

clever. Can't do that in a

12:55

defender, the current defender. I

12:58

like the interior as well on that three and

13:01

four thing. Yeah, it's

13:03

just... Yeah.

13:05

Yeah. Any Land Rover,

13:07

I've never been in a professional situation where

13:09

it was afforded the same respect as a

13:11

Land Cruiser. We did a couple

13:13

of shoots in Africa, and we did

13:15

shoots in Kazakhstan where you

13:18

really, you couldn't mess about with your vehicles. And

13:20

all the crew and the safety people would take a

13:23

Discovery, but they wouldn't take a Range Rover. Yeah.

13:26

So, you know, it's... Yeah. Yeah.

13:29

I think it's iconic. And I think, you know, if Land

13:32

Rover is wondering what they should do with the

13:34

next Discovery, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? Yeah.

13:37

We're here for you. Well,

13:39

I think the defender's doing that job now, but I'm sure

13:41

they can, yeah, I'm sure there's

13:43

a gap between Defender and Range Rover, isn't there?

13:47

Yeah, there is. I'm sure there

13:50

is. Because I heavily expect fantasy,

13:52

long wheelbase defenders. It's quite a bit of

13:54

kit now, isn't it? It's a lot of

13:56

money, but it still isn't quite as roomy

13:58

inside. That's the problem. Well,

14:01

they're trying to, I suppose, yeah, I suppose the

14:03

strategy was let's have a McCann stroke KN

14:05

thing that's a bit, but

14:08

that isn't really what discovery

14:10

five did. No, you got

14:13

caught between the worst of both worlds.

14:15

Yeah, it is. It's pick land rover.

14:17

It's the Labrador. Every home should have

14:19

one. Edward,

14:22

even yours. Yeah,

14:25

I'll have the Labrador. I'd buy one now

14:27

if I could, if I could, you know,

14:29

we're all we're all searching every week on

14:32

on notable noticeable websites, which

14:34

I can't name, but for

14:37

a manual foot V8. Yes,

14:40

if you have a low mileage manual

14:42

V8 do get it. Unfortunately, they just

14:44

don't exist is not the reason why

14:46

there was briefly in the disco for

14:49

there was five litre normally

14:51

aspirated. Yeah, yeah. Oh,

14:54

they did do that. Did they? I think they

14:56

were mainly left hand drive. Yeah.

15:01

And they all went but the you know, those who

15:03

know have got their I think it

15:05

was a four litre 4.2 no re aspirated 4.4.

15:09

And then you might have a BMW engine or not

15:11

was the finally to the BMW. It wasn't BMW engine.

15:14

TVR. 2004

15:18

56.

15:24

That was a Jaguar engine. Yeah, I

15:27

think it was the four four. Okay,

15:29

so some common corrected. It was a 4.4.

15:32

Wasn't a BMW 4.4 was it wasn't that

15:34

no, no, the four. No,

15:36

the 4.4. The

15:38

old surgeons in Harry Harry. Was it a

15:40

four for the four foot five? Fabulous

15:44

bottle of burgundy. Right.

15:48

Okay. Arrow. Somebody

15:50

else. So this

15:52

is proposed on a message

15:54

from a good friend of mine who's

15:56

currently on holiday in the

15:58

Maldives where I think he's just He's just

16:01

getting very wet and blown around the place.

16:03

So to T, I'm sorry that you're having

16:06

a windy time, but your suggestion of who

16:09

would your five motoring heroes be to

16:11

invite to dinner party, both

16:13

dead or alive, I thought was rather good. And it could take

16:15

up a bit of time, but we've got a bit of time,

16:17

so let's go on with it now. Let's

16:20

start with Edward Lubbitt. First of all, would you cook for

16:22

them or would you take them to the canteen? That's

16:26

a very good question. It would have to be the canteen,

16:28

Chris. As you've given me

16:30

the choice, then it'll be the canteen. So

16:34

most of

16:36

them are alive, one of them is not. James

16:41

Hunt. Okay. Kimi

16:45

Reichenan. You

16:47

know where I'm going with this? Yeah.

16:52

Not to the canteen. I've put

16:54

John McGinnis. God.

16:58

Chris Harris. So,

17:03

so far, I've got, and I'm obviously

17:05

at the table as well, so there's

17:07

six of us. So

17:10

we all turn up a bit early.

17:13

That's only four. That's only five. No,

17:16

that's four so far. I've got hundreds,

17:18

and the six is coming. So we

17:20

all turn up early. And

17:23

because we met at the pub down the

17:25

road first, get a few in before we

17:27

go for dinner. That's called pre- We

17:31

sit at the table. Chris

17:33

is already behaving appallingly, and

17:35

I'm happy to apologise to the staff

17:37

at the canteen, saying, look, I'll try and

17:39

keep them in check. And we're waiting for

17:42

the final guest as a bit

17:44

of a surprise. And of course, this

17:46

person would always turn up fashionably late.

17:49

And he arranged to

17:51

have the trees cleared outside

17:54

the canteen. So he could land

17:56

in a helicopter. And Out of the

17:58

helicopter, he gets in the- Those beautifully

18:01

tailored suit and Luca

18:03

di Montezemolo war on

18:05

and on there and

18:07

set. set the table

18:10

with these five. Hop

18:13

up read through of

18:16

athletes up after. I

18:19

had woken up but but says

18:22

all in this but says going

18:24

to set up a video of

18:26

matches can imagine it from understand

18:29

job again it's sort of a

18:31

love it. Fights

18:35

that there is less. Go for

18:37

Chris Cooper's. Site. Ah

18:39

to spies was boys. And

18:42

or suggestions which is almost just like

18:44

I'll find didn't take on this. Was

18:47

a stuff and battle. Bianca

18:50

Hamilton. Tony Roles and

18:52

Donald and Malcolm Campbell on it. Too

18:54

many behave his fancy. Or

18:56

the was can land roger

18:58

Penske. Attracted. To.

19:01

Pay for the whole thing it when order the

19:03

mice. I was. I.

19:05

Supposed to decide on a little chat. British.

19:08

Rally legends of all died

19:10

too young. For

19:13

to cloth twenty pounds. Colin Mcrae.

19:16

Richard. Burns all taken from us.

19:18

There's a young. Tony Pond

19:20

probably for the younger viewers jobs going

19:22

to come up. He.

19:24

Was infrared? It really. Is

19:27

a visit him in all of them they were all.

19:30

Moot point, laid back, In.

19:32

Their way. They were all

19:34

asa us, the Gods, And.

19:38

The. Whole point of a dinner party is he will do

19:40

with some p We have fun with. A.

19:42

Who are there to prove anything to anybody

19:44

else you just wanna have fun with? So.

19:47

Why? Do I do? But no. around the

19:49

fall. Dwimoh. Guess to

19:51

come on, invite them over the phone. And

19:53

at the bottom of the farm actually you

19:55

gotta win comes is our bosses homes Little

19:58

by. Runs. the length is a farm And

20:00

at one end of it is a beautiful little dingle

20:03

dale type. We call it dingle dale. Beautiful

20:06

sort of little opening with some trees. And you can

20:08

put a big wartime old mess

20:10

tent in it. And

20:13

we'd have a barbecue. And the other person I'd

20:15

invite would be David Richards. That's a bit self-serving.

20:17

He's a mate and a colleague of mine. But

20:19

the reason why we'd invite David, because I think

20:21

he's worked with all of them.

20:23

I'm not sure about Roger Clark, but the rest of

20:25

me clearly have served Richard Collins. That's cool. And I

20:27

think he was a co-driver for Tony Pond in the

20:29

late 70s. So

20:32

apart from wanting David, David could pay for the whole thing. Sorry,

20:35

David. Because he's a

20:37

fantastic host. He runs two hotels out in Cornwall.

20:39

I'm a big fan. So forgive me for my

20:41

self-interest. And

20:45

he would bring some toys

20:47

for us to play with. He'd

20:50

bring the pro-drive hunters that are currently,

20:53

fingers crossed, in the hands of Sebastian

20:55

Loeb, possibly about to win the Dakar

20:57

Rally, as we're recording this

20:59

week in Saturday. So you

21:01

have Roger, Tony, Richard

21:03

Burns, Colin, David,

21:05

and me trying to keep order. And

21:08

we'd have an afternoon whizzing round and round

21:10

the farm, see if you can go past

21:12

this, demolish most of Hertfordshire in

21:15

these two wonderful pro-drive hunter

21:17

off-road monsters.

21:20

And then in the evening, we do a barbecue. I

21:23

can't cook, but I can do a barbecue. And

21:25

we have a barbecue and a few beers down the

21:27

bottom valley. Nobody could hear us. Nobody

21:29

could see us. That

21:32

would be a dinner party from heaven. That's

21:34

what I'd do. That's very good. Nice. Clearly

21:37

you're disqualified because you actually came up between you and

21:39

the boys. You came up with about 15 guests. Yeah,

21:42

so, yeah. You know, but hey, this is a

21:44

fantasy. Neil

21:47

Clifford. This

21:50

was a tough one. This is one of the toughest

21:52

ones I've had to think about, actually. And

21:55

I concluded, and I'm

21:57

four dead, one alive. I

21:59

don't know. whether that's. So

22:02

am I actually same thing? Yeah, me too. No,

22:06

no, I'm three dead too. I'm sorry. Okay. And

22:11

I did the people and then after

22:13

it, I worked out why they asked

22:15

thus and as

22:17

I've mentioned many times before too many times,

22:20

I'm dyslexic. I don't really read stuff. I

22:22

look at pictures, but there are there

22:24

are five journalists

22:27

who I do enjoy reading and therefore

22:30

they may they obviously

22:32

do something to my

22:34

brain to make me concentrate and

22:36

make me read that others don't

22:40

and they are Alan Clark obviously

22:44

wasn't just a journalist. He was an

22:46

alright general legend as

22:48

a member of Parliament, but I've

22:50

read his book hundred times Dennis

22:54

Jenkinson who you

22:56

know, we're just a total legend very

22:58

early on and I caught

23:00

him later, but love the chat. LJK

23:03

set, right? Be

23:05

it that I read I read a lot. I

23:07

don't understand any of it or certainly

23:09

about 5% of what he

23:12

writes. It's more

23:14

about the character. I'm

23:16

so I'm so sad that I was

23:18

never even just able to meet him

23:20

for two minutes. Russell

23:23

Bolgin because for me

23:25

he was the guy of the 90s. He

23:28

was the guy of the 90s and I

23:30

it sounds a little bit sort of subservient

23:33

or blowing smoke up his

23:35

ass Chris Harris, but I

23:38

don't know it's not just about the

23:40

way Chris writes and Chris writes better

23:42

than he says he does and everyone,

23:44

you know, everyone I speak to is

23:46

in Georgia book. Chris it's more about

23:49

having you there as a character because

23:51

you would orchestrate the whole thing beautifully

23:53

and we'd be in the with we'd

23:55

be in the Guinea Grill in

23:58

Mayfair in the private diaspora. room

24:01

and massive steaks and

24:03

beautiful really decadent red wine,

24:05

roast potatoes, cauliflower, cheese, sticky

24:07

toffee, you know, it will

24:09

be like a billion calories

24:11

and four million bottles of

24:13

red wine. And I couldn't

24:16

do that without having Chris there because he would be able

24:18

to. I'm not going to know as conductor, I like that. I'll

24:20

take that. Yeah, you

24:22

can conduct the whole thing and it would just,

24:24

you know, I'd pay a lot of money for

24:27

that. What I do here really just keep it

24:29

here. But also

24:31

you would laugh a lot and it would just

24:33

be brilliant fun. Yeah, it wouldn't

24:35

you wouldn't miss us at all, would you? I mean,

24:38

the rest of us. Yeah, of course, I wouldn't.

24:40

Yeah, we're invited. And that's a lovely group. I

24:42

like this one. This is I manage. I

24:48

was thinking about different

24:51

aspects of

24:53

cars and conversation and and

24:55

time. And I was

24:57

thinking about somebody could be

25:00

technical, somebody could be witty, somebody

25:02

who was a little bit like me from

25:04

the outside, who'd contributed in no

25:07

sort of way, even though she probably

25:10

had no idea at the time what she was doing. So my

25:14

main guest would be my first guest would

25:16

be Professor Sid Watkins. And

25:19

I loved him. I got

25:21

to know him for two or three years. And

25:23

the last day I met him was

25:26

four days before he died. Wow. And,

25:30

you know, he was he was very special man. And

25:32

I love him because he was so irreverent. And

25:35

he was a little repository of

25:38

secrets. Oh, my God. Did you

25:40

know him? Did

25:43

you know him sort of medically, professionally

25:45

or motor? No, no, if I'd met

25:47

him, if I had met him as

25:49

a medical student or a junior doctor, I'd be a

25:51

neurosurgeon. There is no way I'd have

25:53

had anything to do with I mean, he was Just

25:56

so far beyond the legend. We Just you know, you meet.

26:00

The media player can each piece

26:02

interesting. I met him obviously to

26:04

Santa. And he used

26:06

to introduce made in formula one of

26:08

the federal Neurosurgical. that's why does have

26:10

been There was nowhere near as such

26:12

would train someone of have ever. Your

26:15

little segue. He introduced me to

26:17

Stirling Moss. Different stories. Tend

26:20

to his list for the lift

26:22

wasn't and of ankles and full.

26:25

Surrender. That was Silverstein. two thousand

26:27

and ten and somebody we'll Sir

26:30

Stirling in a wheelchair had a

26:32

blanket. On and isa com

26:34

a lot of enemies meet you t

26:36

I wanted to easy to. Stay.

26:40

Say. That stylings has been a smallish

26:42

the sustaining So what to say? says.

26:45

Standings and if they think is and

26:47

examine his ankles the hate to. Admit

26:50

it's it's V A.on my knees and

26:53

grab hold of stuff. If it got

26:55

a male they must say that could

26:57

be. Equipped with. What?

27:00

You to fit in. America.

27:06

He knows he knows everything

27:08

by everyone. Everyone. And

27:11

his to to be fantastically industry.

27:13

he loved memorandum saw a drop

27:15

the what Is My Second. Biggest.

27:19

Definitely. Has

27:21

been dead for a while but it be dark and

27:23

Padgett. I.

27:26

Would love To me the person

27:28

who financed about the blow up.

27:30

And. Side step for back can. She.

27:34

Sat down and thought we needed to win them

27:36

all and that was the way to Dad. And

27:38

she put her win money and to And

27:41

I love. People. Like last,

27:43

something she could to ship ship. she

27:45

was no K driver. This isn't something

27:47

that she could ever have experience personally.

27:50

But. She pirates blow a program and

27:52

you know through thick and thin.

27:55

And I think she would have been fascinating.

27:57

She looked at what was the castle. She

27:59

looked. It was in

28:02

Ken. It

28:05

was in Ken. She lived in this magnificent

28:07

castle. She

28:11

was just, she was cool. She made that

28:13

happen. But I think that's massive.

28:16

The guy I think he would keep us

28:19

laughing at Frostedden would be Clive James. It

28:22

just could write anything

28:24

very, very clever, brilliant. Brilliant

28:27

Italian speaker. I didn't

28:29

get to know him very well. And

28:31

he was of course the ultimate F1 guru. His

28:34

sort of comments on those early F1 tapes.

28:37

Which is so, so pissy and brilliant. In fact,

28:39

you read one of his books, what he tells

28:41

you about, do you remember the Las

28:43

Vegas Grand Prix of I think it was either, well

28:45

it could only have been one of two. So

28:48

it was either 81 or 82. He

28:50

said that Princess

28:52

Stephanie was there. She was going out with Alan

28:55

Frost. And they were filming, it was 81. It

28:58

was 81, Clive James in Las Vegas. And

29:00

he said, you know, at that time they just couldn't film her.

29:03

All the footage they had there to kind of destroy.

29:06

And it was just a hell of a, hell

29:08

of a circus. The

29:10

next guy can't speak English. And the fifth person

29:12

would have to do some translating. But

29:14

it would be wonderful just to have him. Because

29:17

of his aesthetic sense. And that's

29:19

Marcello Gandini. He's still alive. I

29:22

could just listen to him. I've seen

29:24

so many YouTube interviews with him. He

29:27

goes about the process of design,

29:30

how he literally imbues every curve,

29:32

every arc. Just sees things in

29:34

a way that we don't. And I'd just love to

29:36

have it. And of course,

29:39

Ed would love it. It has to have the

29:41

fifth. And it has to be Luca. And

29:43

this is where this dinner is. I thought

29:45

he invited me. I would if we did

29:47

Chris's. How

29:50

does he feel? No,

29:54

it has to be Luca. And you would do this

29:56

dinner. this

30:00

amazing, yeah

30:03

the lovely terrace behind his

30:05

villain, Bologna, but even better than that,

30:07

they've got a pizza oven in this

30:09

kind of area, sort of roof on

30:11

it, and to have

30:13

fresh pizza, a

30:16

bottle of Montezemolo red or

30:19

two or ten with these

30:21

characters on a Sunday evening,

30:24

candlelit and President Montezemolo's garden

30:27

would be my dream dinner. Beautiful.

30:30

All of these I want to be present

30:32

at. I've overlapped a bit, but not as

30:34

much as I thought. The only

30:36

name I'm going to repeat is not what

30:38

is not, there were two mentions, I want

30:40

someone that's gone really fast

30:43

and just just speed for the sake of speed, so I

30:45

want Malcolm Campbell there, because

30:47

it's a discipline that I've never, I'm

30:50

too scared to take part in it, I just, these

30:52

people that were so driven just to go fast and

30:54

knew what the risks were. Yeah, it's a good one.

30:57

I just love him, so I'm going to go for

30:59

Malcolm. I've said it

31:01

before, I'll say it again, Ari Vassanin is

31:03

just, he's my hero, I

31:05

just think he's amazing, and I think he's a

31:07

natural raconteur, so this is a difficult one. I'm

31:09

not just, I don't think you just go for

31:12

your heroes, you've got to imagine what they'd be

31:14

like around that table. Absolutely, totally. So I think

31:16

Ari, I don't know, I've read a bit about

31:18

Malcolm Campbell, I think he'd be up to the

31:20

task. Ari Vassanin,

31:22

yes. The third one is a bit

31:25

weird, but I wanted someone from the

31:27

motor racing era where they risked

31:29

it all, but who isn't the

31:32

obvious character, but who I think wrote the

31:34

best motor sport book of all, and that's

31:36

the unfair advantage, I want Mark Donahue there,

31:38

because I think that book demonstrates

31:41

that in the right company, he

31:43

could speak about the sport and about how human

31:45

beings interact with speed and racing way that no

31:47

one else can, and at the very least, I

31:49

want to ask him, how did you write

31:51

that book? It's so good. The

31:54

next one, I'm amazed no one's mentioned it so far,

31:56

but I think he might be the most influential person

31:58

in the motor industry in our times lovely cars

32:00

and that's Ferdinand Pierre. Why wouldn't you want Pierre

32:02

for? He'd probably tell us all what to do,

32:05

he'd tell us how we could sit, what colour

32:07

we could use and he'd feel underneath the table

32:09

to make sure there were sharp edges for our

32:11

fins to bump into and he'd disconnect

32:13

the air conditioning I'm told as well because he

32:15

hated it but Pierre just has to

32:17

be there because he's the boss. You can take

32:19

everything away. So you did the Audi Quattro, the

32:21

917, the Veyron, just

32:24

about every fast 911. It's not a bad

32:26

CV is it? No. And the

32:28

only person I want from the modern era there is

32:30

someone who until recently I wasn't even a fan of.

32:32

In fact I'd say he was one of my least

32:35

favourite F1 drivers for a long time because I

32:37

couldn't quite understand the way he did things but

32:40

now I think he might be an absolute legend and

32:42

that's Sebastian Vettel. I think

32:44

Vettel would be the best vinigas

32:47

because he's clearly interested

32:49

in the subject, he's clearly very

32:51

funny, has a great sense of humour and I

32:53

think he'd have some great stories to tell. So

32:55

strangely if someone said to me which F1 driver

32:57

it would be, I wouldn't even think about it,

32:59

it would be Sebastian Vettel. Yeah I think that's

33:01

a really good call. That's my group. Yeah

33:04

I think that's a really good call. I think it's

33:07

funny how Sebastian's gone the

33:09

low point of that wheelbanging

33:12

road-racing and bakou where

33:15

he literally wanted, you know he almost

33:17

did a Dan Ticton on

33:19

Lewis Hamilton and he went from that

33:21

to where he is now where

33:24

he's clearly, he's always been funny, makes a

33:26

mind of what Red Bull said, he's just

33:28

really very bright and very funny. The

33:31

Campbell thing is interesting isn't it? I can't

33:34

remember, you just go down wormholes since that's what

33:36

I knew, I remember on Sunday evening I ended

33:38

up looking at a lot of stuff

33:40

about Donald Campbell. So in 1967 he

33:44

died on, is it Coniston water? On

33:50

the second run of two runs to

33:52

set a new world water speed record

33:55

it's estimated that on the second run where the thing

33:57

took off and he was killed he was

34:00

doing 330, 300, some little corrects in the comments.

34:04

That would still be faster now

34:08

than the current world water speed

34:10

record. That's how fecking

34:12

dangerous and sketchy. That

34:15

is yeah, unbelievable.

34:18

Campbell's what were they

34:20

like? Just something

34:22

about guys who will do crazy

34:25

speed on water. You remember,

34:27

you know what killed Peroni wasn't

34:29

a Ferrari. It was just, you

34:32

know, talking cows, parvo. By the way,

34:34

if you wish, we revisit this and

34:36

we'll ask the fellow addicts, the

34:39

people that didn't crack their lists because I've got 20.

34:44

My mouth and Campbell was so nearly

34:46

Craig Breedlove. Did you read his first

34:48

book? Yeah. Amazing

34:50

character. Google here masters

34:53

Craig. Art Arfons, the other guy. Those

34:58

two who were just trading in the

35:00

late sixties, mid late sixties, just trading

35:02

the land speed record. Have

35:05

a look. Google Donald Campbell's E-Type.

35:07

He had a matching E-Type to

35:09

his boat and it's DC7

35:12

registration number parked on

35:14

the lake next

35:16

to the boat. I mean, his boat

35:19

number was K7. Just

35:22

mega cool. Yeah, right. We're moving on.

35:25

So we go to something definitive and lovely to

35:28

something that could end up being quite weird. How

35:32

to be a passenger in a car. Are

35:36

you a good passenger in a car? Are you a bad passenger

35:38

in a car? I can't even look at Chris Cooper in this

35:40

because I've ridden shotgun so many

35:42

times and I have to towards that role differ

35:44

quite severely at what one is allowed to do

35:46

or not. What is it authorized and what is

35:48

not? First of all, I'm going to go to

35:50

someone who probably didn't even think about this, Edward Lubbock. What's

35:54

your strategy when you're a passenger in a car? Well,

35:58

first of all, on the track. I

36:01

think I've covered this but

36:03

the last time I'll

36:06

be a passenger on a racetrack was

36:08

at Yas Marina almost

36:11

two years ago with you

36:13

monkey okay and that

36:17

says a lot because I trust you

36:19

being a passenger in a car but

36:22

I don't need to put myself at risk being a

36:24

passenger in the racetrack on

36:26

a car and they confirmed

36:28

to me that day that I won't be

36:30

doing it again so it's

36:35

quite exhilarating. Well, something went wrong. No,

36:38

no, no, I know you didn't. What were

36:40

you in? Say that again. What

36:42

motor vehicle were you in? We

36:44

were in the most incredible 991.2

36:47

GT3 RS. The

36:53

price of the car, the

36:57

price of the special options on the

36:59

car would twice the

37:01

value of the original list price of the

37:03

car. Did

37:06

you do the whole circuit? Did you

37:08

do the whole circuit? Yeah, we did.

37:11

I went out, the circuit's amazing and

37:13

Chris was not really pushing

37:16

it but it's a very quick circuit. That's

37:19

a problem, Chris. I'm not going

37:21

to get all morbid here but clearly there's been

37:23

some pretty awful stories in the past. Someone

37:26

that Chris knew particularly well from Monaco

37:28

that didn't survive being a passenger

37:30

in a car in a racetrack and I just

37:32

thought this is just not a place I need

37:35

to put myself in. Can

37:37

I just clarify? The

37:39

extras on this

37:41

991.2 GT3 RS were twice

37:44

the base price of the car. If

37:47

the base price was 150, the extras were 300. Was

37:51

this blue whale penis skin on

37:53

the little flat on

37:55

the bed? You can easily go crazy if

37:57

you accept. In

38:00

particular, you don't normally

38:02

see tinted coloured carbon on

38:04

a 911. Every

38:07

bit of carbon on this car was

38:09

tinted in colour inside and out. Plus

38:13

leather to some... His

38:15

collection is just amazing. And

38:18

afterwards, Edward offered him about 160g for the whole... Yeah,

38:21

you lost those options, mate. I'll give you 150g,

38:23

I'll give you this for it. Anyway,

38:27

on the road, I've got

38:29

to say, I'm rarely a passenger. That's

38:32

a really important statement in this. I

38:35

do think many of us are, very often. I'm

38:39

rarely a passenger. And

38:42

when I give

38:44

my friends the opportunity to drive

38:46

my cars when I'm in them,

38:51

I want them to experience what

38:53

I experience, the performance, the cornering,

38:55

the braking. So I

38:57

encourage them to drive the car in

39:01

a spirited manner. What

39:03

I don't need them to do is test

39:05

the grip levels in a corner. That's the

39:07

only thing I manage with them, is

39:10

just making sure they're not trying to see

39:12

what the front end or back end grip

39:15

is like on a car. And

39:19

that's all I've really got to say on the subject. I

39:21

don't like being a passenger. Yeah.

39:24

Chris Cooper. So

39:27

I think the art of being a good passenger is

39:30

finding a way of combining coaching

39:34

skills, navigation

39:37

expertise, and

39:41

general operational expertise

39:43

and knowledge in how to set up

39:46

the car. I

39:49

think also acting as a spotter,

39:52

so telling the driver what they

39:54

might have missed,

39:56

be it other road

39:58

users or traffic signals,

40:01

or directions, offering a

40:03

running commentary. Oh, yeah. They're

40:06

doing well and not well. Oh,

40:08

yes. So, but most importantly,

40:10

most importantly, imbuing a sense

40:12

of understanding in the

40:14

driver, as to the body

40:17

language that they as a driver should convey

40:19

in the car that they're driving. So

40:22

I do this with Lynn quite a lot, actually,

40:24

and she absolutely hates it. I like that. I

40:31

can just imagine you leaving home

40:33

with being in the passenger, but

40:35

before you even got a

40:37

single Dell at the bottom of the gully

40:39

or valley or whatever it is, she jumps

40:41

out and swaps over. You can fucking drive.

40:44

That is exactly what I'm saying. I

40:47

just realized, I mean, you have missed

40:49

your vocation. You should just basically, you

40:51

should be a driving examiner. Can you

40:54

imagine? I wouldn't get out of

40:56

the test center. So the bottom

40:59

of my driving instructor, instructor. Yeah, the bottom

41:01

of the lane here, the single track lane,

41:03

the bottom lane here, there's now some traffic

41:05

lights, which is the main of the modern

41:08

world. Why can't you just have giveaway signs and

41:10

people work anyway? Some traffic lights here.

41:12

There's a little gap just

41:14

before where the T-junction hits the main road. And

41:17

if you're waiting there, you can just get into

41:19

the, so you're back to the front of the

41:21

queue. And I think

41:23

that's an okay thing to do because it then

41:25

conveys to somebody, you're going to make progress. Otherwise,

41:28

you're sort of sat there. When

41:30

lights go green, is it me? Is it you? You,

41:32

me? So I find

41:34

myself saying to Lynn, actually,

41:36

you can get into that space. The lights are about to go.

41:38

You get it. Go on. Go

41:41

on. Get in there.

41:43

Get in there. Yeah. And

41:46

she says to me, do you think, how

41:48

do you think I cope when

41:51

you're not in the car with me? I said, you know

41:53

what? I have no idea. I have no idea. So

41:58

the only person, actually, I haven't. Actually,

42:00

I do do with everybody. I tend to take

42:02

over, I mean, monkey said before, I will take

42:04

over the controls. Because

42:07

I'm a bit dyspraxic.

42:09

I can't do left and right. Everything's left,

42:11

whether it's right or left. So I have

42:14

to point. So on our many

42:16

journeys going across Europe, I would sit

42:18

in the front of the car because monkey would prefer

42:20

to. I don't have to say that's fair because he's,

42:23

whatever people might sort of like to

42:25

imagine about monkey, he's

42:28

a bloody impressive road driver and obviously

42:31

super fucking fast on the circuit. But

42:33

as a road driver, that last bit

42:35

going to the Nürburgring, because we've

42:37

usually got something a bit tasty, I think I'm actually

42:39

going to enjoy this. I'm not going to say a word. I'm

42:42

just going to see and it's just super smooth and

42:44

it flows, it's lovely and so forth. But on

42:46

the motorway to there, all bets are off. No

42:48

monkey, it's that way. It's that way. And I will literally

42:50

put my hand in front of his face. Let's

42:54

let you interrupt here because I'm aware of a

42:56

lot of this. The

42:58

first thing you need to know about Chris Cooper is to enjoy

43:00

his company in a car, you need to really love him very

43:02

much. Otherwise, it won't make sense to you

43:04

and it might come across as being a little bit

43:07

domineering. But what he's got this

43:09

dyspraxia thing with direction, these

43:12

are called the fingers of truth and justice in

43:14

the car. So wherever they went, you followed those.

43:16

Otherwise you got told off. But if he's sitting

43:18

in the passenger seat of a right-and-drive car, if

43:20

he wanted me to go right on the motorway,

43:23

he would cover my eyes with

43:25

his arm. And it would take a

43:27

while to realise that I couldn't see where I was

43:29

going. Quite often, well over 120 miles an hour. This

43:31

arm would shoot out and go that way. And

43:35

the running commentary was always wonderful. So first of all, he'd

43:37

get in the car from the start and get in the

43:39

car and he'd adjust all controls to suit him. So if

43:42

I had it set and the temperature was good for me,

43:44

it would all be changed. Well, you had it wrong. Now,

43:46

this had never ever happened to me before. But because he

43:48

was paying for my racing and was being lovely, I wasn't

43:50

going to argue. And it taught me a lesson. I don't

43:52

care now. If people get in the car, I don't care

43:54

what they do. Not that they don't change something terribly,

43:57

it's fine. So Chris would take

43:59

over. would do is he'd

44:01

give a running commentary and the running commentary

44:03

started out by being really

44:05

really busy. He would literally tell me what I

44:07

was doing but as he got to know me

44:09

better in the years went on and he got

44:11

quite tired of even his own humor he

44:14

decided to make it

44:16

more sparse and then everything that's sparse

44:18

hits harder much harder so

44:20

what would happen is I think we could there

44:22

could be 20 minutes when we wouldn't talk about

44:25

my drive-thon or he wouldn't acknowledge anything. It would

44:27

be mid chat that he'd say you

44:30

could have done that better or

44:33

he'd say that didn't

44:35

go very well and these

44:37

really these utterly they're just

44:40

crucifying phrases would just come out of nowhere and I'd

44:42

go oh my god I've got that wrong but I

44:44

do you know what if

44:46

you've got someone who's driving you respect this is becoming

44:48

a bit of a mutual fellatio session but he's obviously

44:51

a very talented driver if you've got someone that you

44:53

respect in the passenger seat you take

44:55

their criticism and I think one of the things we'll get to in

44:57

a minute is the

44:59

mismatch is if the person that's sitting in the

45:01

passenger seat is either too good or too bad

45:03

a driver compared to the other one you've got

45:06

fireworks because one of you has to bite your

45:08

lip when no one puts it what's going on

45:11

but with with Chris I'm the first person I've

45:13

ever allowed and the last person ever allowed to

45:15

sit there and tell me whether I'm the bad

45:17

driver or not but he wasn't he wasn't shy

45:19

he wasn't and

45:22

the most important thing is you've got to like

45:24

the same stuff on the radio yeah

45:27

or the player and you and I are

45:29

both complete addicts for cabin pressure yeah

45:32

we listened to it again and we

45:34

had that trip back from the ring from

45:36

yes uh for Ricard

45:38

yeah in the Porsche press car

45:40

the 9 9 the gen 1 9 9

45:43

1 rs lg we did it exhale the xlg

45:45

car and we did it in one hit because

45:47

we thought we'd learn in Ricard in the morning

45:49

of a tractor he thought bollocks just drive home

45:51

now so we spent the second half

45:53

a day just driving home on

45:55

the day of the very first time you appeared

45:57

on top gear tv driving a yellow

46:00

TDF which you'd driven at Paul Ricard the

46:02

previous autumn. I listened to cabin

46:04

pressure and everything else and we just it was

46:06

one of my favorite ever drives as a passenger.

46:09

We actually spit it a bit but it was

46:11

just lovely because we both liked

46:13

the same stuff and

46:15

I did a bit of coaching. I think let's

46:18

just see what no Clifford says but I

46:21

don't I'd like to think I talk by Richard St. George's

46:23

M and I'm not a good passenger but actually there

46:26

have been times when I've really enjoyed being a passenger.

46:28

So look what do you do? I

46:30

don't I cannot name a time

46:33

that I've enjoyed being a passenger. I mean

46:36

funny because I was sort of

46:38

contemplating this why is this why

46:40

you know because it's

46:42

because I think if you enjoy

46:44

driving you're

46:47

sort of annoyed that someone else is driving

46:49

and you're not and you're a passenger and

46:51

you're not the thing that

46:53

you love almost most of all

46:56

is your it's been taken away from you someone

46:58

else doing it and if and I'm

47:01

the what

47:03

does someone call me the other day? I'm the

47:06

connector. I'm the organizer

47:08

of often our sort of

47:11

mates trips the Le Mans driving

47:13

to the Pyrenees or whatever and

47:16

I coordinate it all and I make it all

47:18

happen and book the house or whatever and

47:21

I say to my um actually

47:24

my PA does a lot of it sounds terribly

47:26

wanky doesn't it and she says well how many

47:28

of you going? I said well there's 11 well

47:31

how many how many bookings on the Eurostar do

47:33

you want well obviously 11 you

47:37

know there's 11 blokes and

47:39

11 cars the worst thing

47:41

would be if you

47:43

had to go with another bloke in

47:47

your little trip that you've you know takes

47:49

you like three months to organize it you

47:51

do it every year if you're really lucky

47:53

I think post Covid it's all gone tits

47:55

up all of that stuff isn't it we

47:57

all like to be a bit more alone

48:00

now than we used to. I

48:02

think it's terribly sad. We need

48:04

to do more stuff together with

48:07

blokes not being passengers driving silly

48:09

places. So the only time I'm

48:11

really a passenger is with with

48:13

my blessed wife. And what

48:15

I tend to do is be very annoying

48:17

for her because I'm worried about the wheel

48:20

hitting the curb or you know, is she

48:22

actually seen the car on the right when

48:24

she's over. So I tend to

48:26

sort of keep my mouth shut, be a

48:28

bit annoying and feed her wine gums is

48:30

about the only constructive thing I can do is

48:32

unwrap speed. Yeah. And

48:35

you know, because we're not clever

48:37

enough to buy these Edward Lovett style water

48:39

bottles. So we get the big two litre

48:41

revenue and you've got to keep taking the

48:43

lid off for her and you know, giving

48:46

her water and then giving her another Murrayman

48:48

or something. So about the only constructive thing

48:50

I do as a passenger. Really?

48:54

Passengers. I don't mean that

48:56

much driving. How much passenger do you do? I

48:59

can, you know, get passengers a bit and I

49:02

think music, you know, whoever said that, I

49:04

think that's so important. If you, the

49:07

driver has the veto. I mean, that's

49:09

the big deal about it. I don't

49:11

think the driver can. So if you're

49:13

a passenger, for example, with

49:16

my sister, who's 14 months

49:18

younger, and he's about 13, it's

49:21

a very, very painful experience.

49:23

Listening to basically the

49:26

cable or its English equivalent.

49:28

That's very annoying. Secondly, for a while,

49:30

she and her husband had a very

49:33

nice 911 convertible, but I've

49:35

never been convinced she ever learned

49:37

how to change gear. And

49:40

that was particularly painful in that car. So

49:42

it's such a beautiful car. I mean, she's

49:44

the only person I know let's go of

49:47

the throttle before she changes up rather

49:49

than going the other way. And

49:51

the other thing I did, I was going to have breaking

49:53

points. Absolutely terrifying. So my

49:56

big thing is you're sitting there

49:58

trying to shut the throttle. up,

50:00

you're being driven somewhere, you can have

50:02

a drink, she maybe won't. And what

50:04

you're doing is you're constantly breaking and

50:07

then she starts to spot it. She

50:09

can see your right neck twitching. And so

50:11

they go, is there something

50:13

wrong with my driving? No? You just

50:15

sit there? No, nothing at all. What are you doing?

50:18

What do you do? And then

50:20

the other thing that she does is

50:23

she knows where she lives very, very well

50:26

and she will often go the wrong way, up

50:29

a one-way road. And

50:32

then everyone does it. It's

50:41

not something I'd say, I've been

50:44

a passenger with Mr Harris. I don't

50:46

know if you remember vaguely telling me off,

50:48

but remember when we were in Italy and we

50:51

were driving and I was convinced we were in

50:53

the wrong lane. It sort of says it. Oh

50:55

yeah, yeah. I was just hanging different lanes. No,

50:58

no, it was great. You turned around very cool

51:00

and you said, I've done this for a bit,

51:02

oss. It's

51:05

not my first

51:07

barbecue. Yeah. I

51:09

think the passenger is interesting for me.

51:12

There's a sweet spot for me. And

51:14

I realised that most of the time I want to

51:16

be, if I'm not driving, I want the person driving

51:19

to have a few

51:21

roles. Have I got to be someone that I'm so

51:23

interested in being in the company of that I don't care if

51:26

they're a good driver or not. If

51:28

it's someone, if it's a sporting hero of mine

51:30

or someone that I just wanted to meet, I

51:33

wouldn't give a shit if they could drive as

51:35

well. It would be a chance to have uninterrupted

51:37

contact with them and not privileged. So I'd be

51:39

okay with that. I

51:42

didn't need it to be either a great driver or

51:44

it needs to be someone who's in control of a vehicle that

51:46

I wouldn't be allowed to be in unless they were driving it.

51:49

And outside of that, unless it's one of my children, or

51:52

I'm getting pissed, I don't really

51:54

want to be in the passenger seat. I have to say, I'm

51:56

not very good at it. I'll give you

51:59

a good... I don't... passenger very often at

52:01

the moment the only time I really

52:03

passenger is when I'm giving my son

52:05

a little go in the car because he's not he's not

52:08

he's about to test soon

52:10

so yesterday I went to a little drive in in

52:13

the Gulf that we have and

52:16

we were just out in Bristol going around L plates

52:18

on just going around around and I as

52:20

we're going down a particular residential part

52:22

of Bristol I said to my eldest I said

52:25

um that's a plain clothes

52:27

car no there's a few of those around and

52:29

quite often there the armed response units as well

52:31

around here so I says not to see that

52:33

they're out and about looking anyhow about three minutes

52:35

later I spot the fact this thing's done a

52:37

year Ian is now following us and I thought

52:39

it's an outside chance he spotted me but that's

52:41

weird and he wants to have a chat I

52:43

don't really see that we're in a Gulf it

52:45

was not a fancy car so

52:47

I start making sure we're going round and round

52:49

in quite large circles on the streets and

52:52

this thing follows us down every weird little turning and I

52:54

think might have had enough of this what's going on till

52:56

we pull over on a main road in Bristol and

52:58

it pulls up behind us so I jump out

53:00

confidently and I go towards the police officer who's

53:03

already walking towards me quite confidently so I say

53:05

is there a problem he said yes this

53:08

vehicle number eight comes up on

53:10

a national register of vehicles involved

53:12

in serious crime and I went okay

53:16

and I didn't know what to say really I said well well it is

53:18

it's a bit of a problem actually and okay

53:26

I said I hate saying this but

53:28

you recognise me so I do anyhow

53:30

he then said there's

53:40

another problem it's not insured I went

53:43

okay so my son is now thinking this is

53:46

the worst driving lesson I've ever had I don't

53:48

know what is the worst but

53:51

I'm the passenger but I'm supposed

53:53

to be in control but my poor

53:55

son has all these redhaws

53:57

read through lucky devices as they can

53:59

Okay, the insurance thing is a clerical error.

54:02

My insurer had written the number plate down wrong on

54:04

the insurance document. I had the insurance document, but it

54:06

had the wrong number plate on it by one letter.

54:08

You can tell that. Oh, wow. And so, and he

54:10

very kindly let us go. But

54:12

this is the worst bit. How about this? Imagine being

54:15

that age, and because it was

54:17

flagged on the computer

54:19

system as a vehicle potentially involved

54:23

in serious crime, the number plate's being closed, obviously.

54:26

Every police car in the area was

54:29

flagged to join them. So

54:31

by the time this had stopped, there

54:33

were several police cars behind us. That's

54:35

fantastic. But we

54:37

were parked on a hill. We had a

54:40

hill start away with all these police

54:42

cars behind him. And I sat there and I looked

54:44

at him, I said, what's that? I don't know what

54:46

to say, but he really doesn't want to fight this

54:49

up. And I said to him,

54:51

he let go of the car and

54:53

let it roll him back. He's panic.

54:56

We'll laugh about it forever. But

55:00

I'll do that as a passenger. But

55:02

the rest of the time, I think Neil Clifford

55:04

is absolutely right. I think if

55:06

you love cars, and there's

55:09

only one species that outside of this, and

55:11

David Richards is one of them, a co-driver,

55:13

I can't, there's another episode in co-drivers. I

55:15

don't think they are wonderful, but they're mad.

55:17

But unless you're one of them, you

55:19

want to operate the machinery because you're in love

55:22

with the machinery and operating. It

55:24

doesn't matter whether you're a Neil Clifford who

55:26

says, tires make no difference, and steering field

55:28

made up, or you're like me who's into

55:30

all that stuff. Fundamentally, you like operating machinery.

55:34

That's what finds us all, I think. Yeah,

55:36

I'm jealous. If I'm a passenger, I'm basically

55:38

just pissed off and jealous. Yeah, I think

55:40

that's right. And I manifest that by taking

55:42

over. Yeah, but I think I'm

55:45

the same. Okay,

55:47

very good. This one, we're getting

55:49

on a bit here. So we're going to go, this next

55:51

subject is very interesting.

55:55

Gunther Seiner has left

55:57

his role at Haas

55:59

F.E. one. He left

56:01

last week in the press release, used the

56:03

phrase with immediate effect, which is never a

56:05

nice thing to eat. What

56:08

do we make of Gunther? What do we make of

56:10

his impact on the sport and the role

56:12

he played in the post-drug survive era?

56:14

Manish, what would you say? I

56:18

think this is a very

56:21

tricky one actually as a

56:23

subject because Gunther actually has

56:25

been around quite a long time. It

56:27

was Niki Lauda who brought him into Formula One

56:30

and that was sort of 20 years

56:32

ago. And then he off he goes

56:34

to NASCAR and he's done, you know,

56:37

he had a carbon composite company with

56:39

other USF1 except he wasn't. But the

56:43

whole preamble really

56:45

gets you to how he ends up and

56:48

what a strange team in

56:50

a way passes because

56:54

it's just not a normal Formula

56:57

One constructor. You know,

56:59

my understanding is that very, very

57:01

early on it was

57:03

his business concept, which was

57:06

basically in a rule saying we can have as much

57:08

a Ferrari as we want. So

57:11

I'm going to go and see Stefano and have a chat

57:13

with him because he was running Ferrari and say, does this

57:15

work for you as a business model? And

57:17

Stefano's like, it does go and get the money

57:19

and we've got no problem. So you've got this

57:21

very strange team, but, you

57:24

know, originally, I mean, it's

57:26

got three bases. So they're going to run

57:28

the team out of England, but then it's

57:30

got the design and the arrow actually at

57:32

Maranello. In theory, there are Chinese

57:34

rules between it and Ferrari, but, you know, who knows

57:36

whether you go for a pizza with a good mate

57:38

around the corner. I mean, I don't know. And then

57:41

you've got this sort of base in

57:43

North Carolina. And I think

57:45

in some ways, that is the impossible job. And I

57:47

think if you look, their

57:50

best season is their first season, because it's got

57:52

a Ferrari in it. And after

57:54

that, the FIA is squeezing every, you know,

57:56

the rules are getting tighter and tighter. And

57:58

of course, you know, You don't make a

58:00

car, you don't have that level of expertise, I think

58:02

it can only go in one direction. But

58:06

I suppose the

58:08

question is, how do we feel

58:10

about why Gene

58:13

Haas crossed the button? And

58:15

there are a couple of things which seem quite tough,

58:19

actually. First of all, this man

58:21

has been around and he's achieved

58:24

what he's achieved. I

58:27

think he said that

58:29

he was fired in a way over

58:32

the phone that meant he couldn't say goodbye

58:34

to the team, which

58:36

I think is very harsh when you've really

58:39

been a founder of the team. Yes, you're

58:41

an employee, but you are a founder, and I think that's

58:43

very tough. And

58:46

to refer to Haas's results as embarrassing,

58:48

I get it, but they

58:50

have a peculiar business model.

58:53

So the question would be, what next?

58:56

And this guy, Ayuk Amatsu, has taken over.

58:59

And he used to be Roman Grosjean's race engineer

59:01

back in the day. So you're kind

59:03

of wondering now, they've got a technical director,

59:06

they've got a team boss who's effectively a

59:09

race engineer. We've done that route

59:11

before, but not though, haven't we?

59:13

It doesn't work. Well, so you

59:15

do wonder. And I think all

59:18

I'd say is that if this is all puckering

59:20

the team up for a sale, and behind

59:25

the scenes, maybe there was a kind of

59:27

big disagreement about should we sell or not,

59:29

then fair enough. And

59:32

the converse line is what Bernie said about

59:34

him in June 2023. He's

59:37

a very famous guy, famous

59:39

for losing, which he didn't like at all. I

59:42

just, you know, have to. He

59:44

said about Jean House or Gunter. Oh,

59:47

sorry, I thought he said it about Gunter. Yeah,

59:50

yeah, yeah. I thought he said about Gunter.

59:52

I wouldn't have thought he'd say that about

59:54

House, but I've always wondered kind of what

59:57

is it the House were doing in Formula One? I

59:59

mean, it's great. being lucky in your first year with

1:00:01

the small haul and reasonably lucky a

1:00:03

couple of years later, but you know, it's

1:00:06

tooling around in ninth or tenth when

1:00:08

that's not necessarily your core business. You've got NASCAR

1:00:10

team, you've got a machine tool business, I don't

1:00:12

know why you do it. Yeah,

1:00:16

Neil Clifford, do you care? I

1:00:18

just like the fact he swears a lot. You

1:00:22

know, he probably was the star

1:00:24

of the Netflix thing, wouldn't he?

1:00:27

Yeah, I know, you know, I, in

1:00:29

a way, because I don't know that much about

1:00:31

the whole thing, I'm

1:00:34

a normal spectator of F1, trying to know

1:00:37

a bit more because I have to sort

1:00:39

of talk about it a little bit. I

1:00:41

think he was the star of that show

1:00:43

to many respects, because you're like, what a

1:00:46

character. And we all like characters, don't we?

1:00:50

I don't, you know, clearly have no idea why

1:00:52

he was fired. I've seen the rumors about it

1:00:55

being sold and all of

1:00:57

that. Yeah, Gene Hasse's note, I mean,

1:01:00

maybe you will do. Yeah, but you

1:01:02

can imagine, you know, as an owner

1:01:04

or a leader with going

1:01:06

to work for him, you can imagine, even

1:01:09

if you love him, I can imagine you being

1:01:11

also very pissed off with him because he's probably

1:01:15

quite unmanageable as a character.

1:01:17

If you've got to manage, you

1:01:20

know, the responsibility of managing people and all

1:01:22

of that, he might drive you a little bit

1:01:24

mad. I could quite easily see you having a

1:01:26

bit of a sort of ding dong on a

1:01:28

few issues. And it's

1:01:31

a shame because he seems to be an

1:01:34

immensely likeable chap on the- Did you

1:01:36

find another spot in F1? I suspect

1:01:38

he will. Yeah, yeah. Well, you'd give

1:01:40

him a job as a commentator immediately,

1:01:42

wouldn't you? But I'm sure you don't

1:01:44

earn two or three or five million

1:01:46

quid doing that. Well,

1:01:49

yes, if Liberty have their

1:01:51

way, they'll make sure he's in there just

1:01:53

so he's a part of the next series

1:01:55

of giants tonight. What do you think? It's

1:01:57

not a huge surprise, is it? We

1:02:02

met him very briefly because

1:02:06

he was at the Nürburgring 24, I

1:02:08

think he was at Nürburgring 24 Iris

1:02:10

in 2002. How

1:02:14

do you remember this stuff? I don't even know what my

1:02:16

name is. How do you remember that? Well,

1:02:18

because if you're a bit weird

1:02:20

and dyspraxic like me, you can

1:02:22

associate stuff with you. I know

1:02:24

that it was 2002 because that was

1:02:26

the year that I made you wear that

1:02:29

ridiculous coloured polo shirt that you

1:02:31

wanted your whisky diaries with. And actually one of

1:02:33

my sons said to me, because he saw it

1:02:35

recently, that whisky diar thing he did in

1:02:37

that car in the COVID, with the

1:02:39

challenge consulting and the catering 24-hour

1:02:41

polo shirt. And even when my

1:02:44

boy said to me, Dad, what were you thinking

1:02:46

of when you made Monkey wear that? Well, it

1:02:48

was the colour of diarrhoea, anyhow. Carry on. It

1:02:50

was a bit pooey because

1:02:53

Martin Leach, who was in

1:02:55

the other auto car, that

1:02:58

test was focused. A

1:03:02

mate of mine who used to help

1:03:04

run Martin Leach's go-kart a million years

1:03:06

ago had left Raynark to go

1:03:08

on pop. And I went to

1:03:11

see Martin because I sat next to

1:03:13

him part firm mate, right into that race. And

1:03:15

the focus happened to be next to us that your mate,

1:03:17

Steve Sutcliffe, was also in. So,

1:03:19

hello, Martin. I'm in the other car that's just

1:03:21

beaten you. While

1:03:24

we're here, my mate John

1:03:27

from Raynark needs a job, and you've

1:03:29

got Jaguar. And he said, yeah, actually,

1:03:31

Gunter's here. And Gunter

1:03:33

was just become technical director of – but before

1:03:35

that, he was in the Ford Rally team. So

1:03:37

he was a technical

1:03:39

director for the Focus, Colin McRae time.

1:03:42

He's got a bit of a Joss Capito career

1:03:44

move, I think, John. There's a bit of that,

1:03:46

isn't there? There's a bit of that. But I

1:03:48

just – you know, it's a results-orientated business. And

1:03:51

I suspect Gene probably got a

1:03:54

bit fed up thinking, does he really care? Has

1:03:56

he really – he's a funny character. He's from that

1:03:58

part of Italy. the,

1:04:02

because he sounds Austrian, you think, he's

1:04:04

a German or Austrian name, but he's

1:04:06

Italian. He comes in that bit of

1:04:09

Italian Dolomites that Austria

1:04:11

and Italy have traded over. That's probably

1:04:13

a polite way of putting it. The

1:04:15

South Europe. Yeah.

1:04:18

Yeah, exactly. So I

1:04:20

think it's probably, it's a results-orientated

1:04:22

business. They've seen how

1:04:24

James Vowles has started to revitalize Williams-Hymn,

1:04:27

which might be Pansissier, who knows. And

1:04:29

I'm probably just thought, you know what, we're going,

1:04:31

no, we're going backwards. They had a great car

1:04:33

on Saturday. They had made no, they just went

1:04:35

backwards on Sundays. So very

1:04:38

sadly, I suspect. They always last. They

1:04:42

weren't in quality, they were very,

1:04:45

quite often they were in Q3. Yeah. Niko

1:04:48

Hulkenberg, who

1:04:52

was... Was he the most overtaken driver

1:04:54

this year? Exactly,

1:04:56

because he was qualifying versus his race. And

1:05:00

I think the most overtaking driver

1:05:02

was Sergio

1:05:05

Perez. Yeah. Because

1:05:07

he was always starting near the back because he

1:05:10

helped up Saturdays. Yeah. Yeah.

1:05:13

Niko Hulkenberg was the most

1:05:15

overtaken. So yeah, it's, I

1:05:18

suspect you're right. I mean, he, you

1:05:20

know, he made famous a new way of

1:05:22

saying the F word. Fucking. Yeah, he's great.

1:05:25

Gunther Focking Steiner. Yeah. Edward

1:05:28

Lovett, what do you feel? I

1:05:30

don't feel much. If they could just

1:05:32

fire a few more people during the

1:05:34

off season, so we can

1:05:37

mix it up a bit for this

1:05:39

season to come, that would be nice.

1:05:41

Yeah. We won't

1:05:43

get that, unfortunately. I think, part

1:05:45

of the interesting thing to me is the sort

1:05:48

of cult of personality and celebrity because it's

1:05:51

the only time in my life where I've been

1:05:53

very connected to a sport, towards what

1:05:55

I knew about, a bit about a sport, because I wasn't

1:05:57

watching Driver to Survive, and I haven't really watched much of

1:05:59

it at all. The emergence

1:06:01

of Gudsteiner, the celeb,

1:06:03

was totally bizarre to me. So you watch him

1:06:05

sort of, it was

1:06:07

amazing watching commentators and people's reaction to

1:06:10

him change over the last three

1:06:12

years. But of course, I wasn't aware why it

1:06:14

was changing. Yeah, there's a bit of reverence towards

1:06:16

him and a bit of sort of how cool

1:06:18

he was. But I'm just thinking he just runs

1:06:20

the team getting nowhere. And I couldn't really understand

1:06:23

why he was, you know, everyone wanted to

1:06:25

talk to him. But now I do. I can watch

1:06:27

a couple of episodes and I can see, I'm trying to

1:06:29

go nil. It's hilarious. Yeah, it's funny.

1:06:32

But it's, I think, and the reason why I

1:06:34

asked, I think I wanted to talk about it

1:06:37

is, it

1:06:39

exposes the paradox of Formula

1:06:42

One and of motorsports. It is much

1:06:44

as if there's any sport

1:06:46

that never really wants to celebrate failure

1:06:49

or people that are part of failure,

1:06:51

it's Formula One. And

1:06:53

the Gunter might be the first example of someone

1:06:56

who became a celeb. I think that's right. But

1:06:58

for being a part of the slow end, you'll

1:07:01

never, you'll never fetch it. Every other small

1:07:03

hand is Eric the Eagle or Eric the

1:07:05

Eel that breaks the mold. Formula

1:07:08

One has never celebrated slovers.

1:07:10

It's always, it's always found

1:07:12

it offensive and unprofessional.

1:07:14

Loser-ish. Yeah, there's no, there's no way

1:07:17

around it. And Gunter was the first

1:07:19

person, I think, to embody celebrating

1:07:22

being at the non-pointy

1:07:24

end. I wonder

1:07:27

whether that sat well with the

1:07:29

sport or not. I suspect it

1:07:31

probably did, but didn't sit at

1:07:33

all well with the bloke who was employing it. Yeah,

1:07:36

I think I could imagine that you'd wake up one day

1:07:38

and think, well, why don't you have

1:07:40

this? If I got my tech people

1:07:43

to do a simple word association Google

1:07:45

search now with, if you type in

1:07:47

half F1, what's the first word you

1:07:49

say, it would be Gunter. Yeah.

1:07:52

I think he'd be a bit pissed off with that

1:07:54

after a time. Amazing. There's just

1:07:56

one teeny tiny counter argument, something

1:07:59

he said yesterday. transparent of

1:08:02

an interview he gave. And he said, no matter

1:08:04

what you think of Drive Survive, he

1:08:06

was instrumental in keeping

1:08:09

the team alive after COVID because

1:08:11

of the sponsorship they got. He

1:08:13

did do that. Text on his fame. So

1:08:15

his exposure, if it's not gonna be on track,

1:08:17

it's gonna be at the end of the year

1:08:20

on 10 hours of television. And

1:08:22

I think he's hit the paradox rather than head. Is

1:08:25

this sport or

1:08:27

is this the show business? And

1:08:29

you've got it. If you can't win, the best

1:08:31

way to do it deflect with a bit of

1:08:34

swear of you. And

1:08:36

you got the sponsors, you've got the air

1:08:38

time. You're there. Right,

1:08:41

we're gonna move on to two car garage. I've got,

1:08:46

I'm gonna miss out a couple of words. Is

1:08:48

this, it begins under the radar cars. Is that

1:08:50

the one? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

1:08:56

I can't, I've got it wrong. Cause someone read it out to

1:08:58

me because I've screen grabbed it wrong. Yeah. Okay.

1:09:01

Thank you. Andrew Hurst cars. It's

1:09:05

a recession year. Yeah. You're

1:09:07

looking for two under the

1:09:10

radar cars, which won't attract

1:09:12

too much attention on the road.

1:09:14

One must be a coupe slash

1:09:16

two doors brackets, no convertibles. What?

1:09:21

No convertibles, two

1:09:23

door coupe and

1:09:25

the other a four door saloon

1:09:28

sedan for our medical cousins

1:09:30

or an SUV. As

1:09:33

you are a very successful entrepreneur,

1:09:35

the budget is unlimited. Both

1:09:38

cars must be on sale today

1:09:40

slash new as safety

1:09:43

boys and girls is a concern. Most

1:09:46

importantly, Andrew tells us choose

1:09:49

the paint colors wisely. I like

1:09:51

that. I forgot the paint colors

1:09:53

bit. Andrew will be so

1:09:55

upset. All

1:09:57

right. Actually I know my pain. Go

1:10:02

on, say metallizato with that little nasal

1:10:04

thing you do. Go on. Metallizato.

1:10:07

That's all the way I thought you were

1:10:09

going to say. No, that's not the way.

1:10:12

I can't remember the nasally way I said it.

1:10:15

Metallizato. Okay, I'm going first.

1:10:18

Now, this

1:10:20

is so unimaginative. And I look and sound

1:10:22

like part of their press department, but I'm

1:10:24

going straight to crew. I'm

1:10:26

getting in there quickly because I reckon Clipper might be

1:10:28

following me up the M5 and the M6 quickly, and

1:10:30

I want to get there before he does. And

1:10:34

I'm going to double dip. I'm going

1:10:36

to buy a Conti GT, as the two-door, and

1:10:38

I'm going to have myself a spur as the

1:10:40

four-door. I don't want the SUV. They're

1:10:43

both going to be in Brewster, and they're

1:10:45

both going to have Cahiba Hyde, and they're

1:10:48

going to be fully optioned. They will not have

1:10:50

any kind of personalized number plate, so they won't

1:10:52

look like their his and hers cars, or hers

1:10:54

and hers, or his and his. But

1:10:57

I just, for me, right now, bent

1:10:59

the answers every single question I ask

1:11:01

about my everyday motoring. Which

1:11:04

bit of under the radar does... I was

1:11:06

going to ask that. I mean, how under

1:11:08

the radar? They're under the radar, aren't they?

1:11:10

He might be under Dubai or something like

1:11:12

that. If they're under the radar in Dubai.

1:11:14

That's great. They were going to spot it.

1:11:16

It's a recession year. You're

1:11:18

looking for two under the radar cars.

1:11:21

You need to think about the budget. He's

1:11:24

unlimited. No, there we go! It's going to be

1:11:26

growing. If you're into

1:11:28

cars, which bit's more important?

1:11:30

Under the radar or no

1:11:32

budget? Sorry. No budget.

1:11:35

Yeah, it does, yeah. I was going

1:11:37

to answer this with... You've

1:11:40

missed a massive opportunity if you've got budget, because there

1:11:42

was no budget. Over to you, Mr Cahiba. So

1:11:45

we can hear you drip on about some shit

1:11:47

clothes that you're going to buy, so that you

1:11:49

have to be more kind. You

1:11:52

can fuck what I thought. Hello,

1:11:55

Andrew. I've

1:11:58

chosen... chosen the

1:12:01

under the radar and M2 comp.

1:12:06

So I'd sent a lit show and

1:12:08

get literature to spend all the money

1:12:10

in the world on, including painting

1:12:13

it or doing that lovely rapid

1:12:15

does in BMW two eight seven

1:12:17

code Mauritius blue. Is

1:12:22

that quite is that dark? Is that Mauritius? These

1:12:24

are supposed to be new cars, aren't they? Yeah.

1:12:26

New come. Yeah. Well,

1:12:29

they don't do a competition. Yeah.

1:12:32

So what's the current M2 then? Sorry. You've lost.

1:12:35

You lost. Oh,

1:12:37

picky. Oh, well, and the other one, all

1:12:39

I can hear is a bloody droning noise. Reminds

1:12:47

me of too many times. The

1:12:50

other one would be a B3 Alpina

1:12:53

B3 wagon. Big loss. Dee

1:12:55

dee cald under the radar

1:12:58

Alpina green to that

1:13:00

tobacco interior color M2 comp comp

1:13:03

M2 non comp new one Mauritius

1:13:06

blue B3 wagon. So

1:13:09

just to be clear, the second one said it was a four

1:13:11

door or an SUV. Nothing about being allowed

1:13:13

in a state car. Carry on. I didn't read that bit.

1:13:15

Yeah. Yeah. I have caught that up. All

1:13:19

in all, two minutes to forget for Chris

1:13:21

Cooper. I have to move on. Let's

1:13:24

move on to Neil Clifford and we'll leave

1:13:26

Chris. And I'm not a successful entrepreneur. So

1:13:28

Chris RTQ Cooper. Can

1:13:31

you say that? No,

1:13:34

Clifford. No, Clifford. Are you going to

1:13:36

say within the rules or not? Yes.

1:13:38

Yes. In fact, I'm talking about real

1:13:40

life. I've just recently done this not

1:13:43

to sound successful entrepreneur, but I've certainly bought

1:13:45

the two cars that I'm now going to talk about. Oh,

1:13:47

I like it. Carry on. Yes. I'm

1:13:49

buying an Alpina. Yes. And

1:13:53

I did note just at

1:13:55

the end in time as you read it out

1:13:57

that it wasn't about a touring. So I. I

1:14:00

didn't read that bit, even though I read it out.

1:14:02

In real life, obviously, I've got a touring. In fantasy

1:14:05

world, I took our garage, I'm having

1:14:07

a saloon. Yeah. I'm

1:14:10

having a B5, because I just, they're not

1:14:12

big enough, those threes for me. I like

1:14:14

it. I agree with you, I agree. Yeah,

1:14:16

I'm with you on that, yeah. Yeah, I

1:14:18

think it's B5, saloon, no stickers,

1:14:23

probably anthracite, chocolate, leather,

1:14:26

clear glass, obviously, no badges,

1:14:30

lovely. And then I'm gonna, and

1:14:32

these almost match these cars, don't

1:14:34

they, in terms of words, an

1:14:36

alpine. Yeah. I'm

1:14:39

gonna buy a little alpine, because I think that

1:14:41

is the most under the radar sports car. Yeah.

1:14:45

I have bought one, I don't have it yet.

1:14:47

I'm looking forward to get it. It's with the

1:14:50

in Litchfield, it's coming on Monday. I'm very excited.

1:14:52

I've lowered the seats, I've put the spaces on,

1:14:54

I've got those little thingies, the

1:14:56

life, 110 life things. I'm

1:14:58

about four years behind on this car, and

1:15:03

I'm really looking forward to it, actually.

1:15:06

So, and I think they are very

1:15:08

under the radar, low key machines of

1:15:10

pleasure. They are, they are. Good

1:15:13

choice. I'm

1:15:16

afraid I fucked this up completely. You

1:15:20

can't really back it up. You can't really make the best of

1:15:22

it than RTQ up there. Oh, I did it. I

1:15:24

did the bit that I missed out. I just saw

1:15:27

the word, because I saw it in my phone. Both

1:15:29

cars must be on sale today. I

1:15:31

feel somewhere. I didn't

1:15:33

see that stroke new. He's

1:15:36

a concern. So, you've

1:15:38

bought a Lamborghini Countash as a

1:15:40

one. Safety is a concern. I

1:15:45

did buy a car with an airbag. So my first one

1:15:47

would always have to be a 456M GT in

1:15:51

Tour de France blue. You

1:15:54

know, naturally leather, and it does have, it

1:15:57

does have an airbag. I'm going to get the one with the...

1:16:00

big exterior.

1:16:02

Now my second one, I was thinking, boxy

1:16:05

cars are always under the radar. If

1:16:08

a car looks like a

1:16:10

box, it's

1:16:12

under the radar. And if

1:16:14

a car is boxy and looks a

1:16:16

bit old and 70s,

1:16:19

it's very under the radar. So

1:16:21

I picked, I found this on

1:16:24

Kidston's website. He sold

1:16:27

this a few years ago and it

1:16:30

is a 77 Monteverdi

1:16:33

375 straight. Yeah, that's a great car.

1:16:35

In a metallic blue with red seats.

1:16:37

I think people would walk off that

1:16:39

and go, nah. That was Simon's own

1:16:42

car, that one. I'm

1:16:47

not sure that's under the radar. Get

1:16:51

a bit of dog dick leather inside there. Manish,

1:16:54

Manish, remember, remember, the most important part

1:16:56

of this was, the most important part

1:16:58

was the limitless budget. Forget the under

1:17:00

the radar thing. Don't forget about that.

1:17:03

The great people really missed a chance

1:17:05

here. Do I look like I'm bothered?

1:17:07

I actually am quite bothered.

1:17:10

Edward, what are you going to

1:17:13

do? I've taken this quite seriously.

1:17:15

Save us. Well,

1:17:18

fine. So my two door coupe is

1:17:20

going to be brand new. I'm

1:17:22

sure soon to be delivered,

1:17:25

you might be able to

1:17:27

get one in Germany, Mercedes

1:17:29

AMG GT, because they've sort

1:17:31

of pulled back on the aggressive design

1:17:34

of that car, haven't they? They tried

1:17:36

to make it more sort of standard

1:17:39

Carrera 2 911. So that would be

1:17:41

my understated

1:17:44

sports car coupe. And

1:17:46

then my new car is going

1:17:49

to be one of these Toyota

1:17:51

Century SUVs. I've

1:17:54

got a hanker into one of those. Yeah, I

1:17:56

like that. The real thing about these buses now,

1:17:59

haven't you? No, that's not really a

1:18:01

fuss. I just, I watched a video. It's

1:18:03

just, I just like the story of the

1:18:05

original Century. And if they do, they get

1:18:07

one of those then. Well,

1:18:11

just you wait till this jumper changes in

1:18:13

a minute. That's

1:18:20

all of us done, isn't it? Okay, let's

1:18:22

go for some quick music. Edward

1:18:25

Lovett. I don't know the

1:18:27

artist, but I'm going to tell you in

1:18:29

two seconds. Hold on, call it. The song

1:18:31

is called Ferrari. It's out at the moment.

1:18:33

I thought it seemed like an appropriate song

1:18:36

to accompany the movie. And

1:18:39

I think by here it's by James Hype

1:18:41

and Miggy Dela Rossa. There

1:18:46

we go. I like it whenever

1:18:48

he says the names, Manish just looks round as

1:18:50

if someone's farted in the room. Right, Manish, who

1:18:53

are you going to go for? I

1:18:56

don't know if someone's picked this before, but

1:18:58

I heard this yesterday and I just remembered

1:19:00

how grand it was. And in a

1:19:02

car, I have heard it is all

1:19:05

along the watchtower, Jimi Hendrix. You've

1:19:08

become with mail and that's who

1:19:10

you are. It's

1:19:15

good. Chris Cooper. Again,

1:19:18

I'm not sure we've had this, but, and

1:19:21

I can't quite believe this is true. This

1:19:24

year marks 40 years since

1:19:27

Van Halen released the album Jump.

1:19:33

40 years and the eponymous title

1:19:35

track Jump. We have both

1:19:37

chosen that twice already, I think. Who cares?

1:19:39

It's 40th anniversary. We're bloody having it again.

1:19:42

Van Halen's Jump. It's one

1:19:44

of the greatest songs. OK, Neil

1:19:46

Clifford. If you've got three

1:19:48

older brothers, you're like, I have. I

1:19:50

was the last attempt of a girl. You're

1:19:53

bound to have three older brothers that are all

1:19:55

into the who. Yeah.

1:19:57

Therefore, I am a who fan. And

1:20:00

who's next to the best album and behind

1:20:02

blue eyes is just a great. Yeah.

1:20:07

So I was having a think of the color

1:20:09

of the day, who are my favorite female singers,

1:20:12

the ones proper warblers, not not pop

1:20:15

singers, but they some of them obviously don't

1:20:17

pop songs. And I reckon

1:20:19

in my disk, this woman is in the

1:20:21

top five Annie

1:20:23

Lennox, I think has just gone when she

1:20:25

when she was on proper super

1:20:28

unleaded late 80s, early 90s. And

1:20:30

she was she's been to Littfield and she was like, Matt,

1:20:32

stay 3.5 for she was on it. And

1:20:37

I reckon on one of her solo albums,

1:20:39

there's some called Little Bird when she really

1:20:41

gets going. Nice. It's a karate

1:20:43

tune. Get it on. Get it on. It's

1:20:47

it's fantastic. Really, really great

1:20:49

tune. So that

1:20:51

was episode 49 of the collecting and its podcast.

1:20:54

And we're not about to record the next episode 50

1:20:56

immediately after this. We're not in any way having a

1:20:58

simple change of clothes. So I'm now going to make

1:21:00

my change of clothes to do the record because everyone

1:21:03

wants it to be so that no one spots the

1:21:05

button. We've done it. So if I hang on a

1:21:07

minute, we've got to go over the next episode. You

1:21:09

know, just stop to put a start to the next

1:21:11

one. OK, we have to do a very quick pause

1:21:13

so we can do an edit. OK, and

1:21:16

then go to stopping now.