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The two attorneys, Wes Clark and
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Mark Downton, were feeling pretty good. They'd
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just gotten a 15-year-old kid out of solitary
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confinement. And that felt like a big
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victory against Judge Davenport. They'd
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also decided to team up for real, form
0:31
a firm of their own called Downton Clark. It
0:34
had no real office, no business cards.
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But it did have one very specific goal. The
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goal was to get out. Here's Mark.
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To not be juvenile court lawyers
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anymore. Because it was too much time
0:47
for too little money.
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And they needed the money. While
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the work at juvenile court was steady, the
0:53
pay was low as far as attorneys go. Court-appointed
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cases were capped at $50 an hour. Wes
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had law school loans and was still living
1:01
at his mother-in-law's house. Mark
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was a little more flush, thanks to a side
1:06
gig doing document review for higher-paid
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lawyers. But he also had a kid
1:10
and mortgages for his house and office.
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So they started a private practice that would
1:15
take civil cases, personal injury,
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business disputes. They
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knew it would take some time to really get established.
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But they had faith. They both
1:25
remember an early case Wes brought in
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from adult court that seemed promising.
1:30
It was a client of mine who, his
1:32
foot was injured during his jail
1:35
intake process. He ended
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up having the foot amputated.
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So we filed this lawsuit for like millions
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of dollars. And it turned out
1:44
fairly quickly we learned that
1:46
like his leg was supposed to be cut off before
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he ever went into jail. So
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that was our first one that we thought were going to be millionaires.
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Instead, they were out of pocket
1:55
about $400 for the filing fees,
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plus other expenses.
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And things only went downhill from there. So
2:02
there was like a slip and fall, and she
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had fallen down. Oh my gosh, we
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lost a lot of money on that case. And
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we had the sex offenders. That was a terrible
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case. Not a single one of those, that was terrible.
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Not a single one of those worked out.
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Most of their cases were duds right out
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of the gate. And even the ones that paid out
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didn't result in much. One
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client had so little money, she offered to
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pay Mark with a homemade painting of Lake Louise.
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This is in my bathroom right now. And it's
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while they're hustling to find cases outside
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the juvenile court that Mark and Wes
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got a call from a lawyer at the ACLU,
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asking if they wanted to take on some
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new clients. Some kids from a school
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called Hobgood Elementary, they'd
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been arrested for not stepping in to stop
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a fight. Wes had been reading
2:50
about the arrests, and he thought the whole thing
2:52
was just so absurd. A bunch
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of kids arrested on this vague charge
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of criminal responsibility, a
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charge that turned out to not even be real,
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and a few of the kids were even held in juvenile
3:03
detention overnight. It
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would be a pro bono case, and it meant going
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back to the Rutherford County juvenile court,
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going back in front of Judge Davenport. But
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immediately, Wes was like, yes, absolutely,
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we'll take it. Because... I
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knew that we were
3:21
already going to get the criminal charges
3:23
dismissed. And more importantly... I
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was definitely thinking about how
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we could sue somebody for what happened.
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Wes figured they'd sue the police, false
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arrest, and malicious prosecution. He
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began by reviewing the police's take
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on what happened. Following the arrests
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at Hobgood, in an attempt to address all
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the confusion and the outrage, the
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police department had conducted an initial
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audit. So Wes figured he'd
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start there with that report.
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So I clicked that, opened
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it up, and I didn't have high
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expectations for anything. written by
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the police department, right? It's always conducted
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the thorough investigation of ourselves and have
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found no wrongdoing is generally
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how that goes. But in
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this particular instance, the
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conclusion that they did nothing wrong
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is based on the assertion
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that they were following. And let me look here
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and see exactly what
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it says. Wes reads through
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the report in front of him. Yep, there
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it is. The line
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about discussion with DA
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and court regarding judicial
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requirement that requires
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juvenile suspects to be arrested
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and prohibits department
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from citing and releasing.
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It's jargony,
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but to Wes,
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that line said a lot. You
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see, in Tennessee, police have a few options
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when it comes to kids accused of minor offenses,
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like misdemeanors. Depending on what
4:57
happened, they can arrest a kid or
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maybe just issue a citation with
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a notification for the kid to show up in juvenile
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court for a hearing on another day.
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Or
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they can do nothing. Just send the
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kid home with a stern talking to. The
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police have discretion. But
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this line that Wes found, referencing
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a judicial requirement, requiring
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kids to be arrested and prohibiting
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police from citing and releasing,
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it seemed to be saying the police had
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only one option, arrest
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the kid. Wes was stunned.
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So here we've
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got a government police
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agency that pins
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not just the hobgood situation
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on this judicial policy, but
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every single kid in Rutherford County who
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is charged with a delinquent offense is
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arrested and they're subject to
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this policy. So immediately,
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I feel like I'm I'm on to something
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right like I'm not taking crazy pills
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because literally everyone is
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getting arrested and it is
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not limited
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to the cases I've personally handled. To
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Wes the whole thing seemed
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illegal and perfect for
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a big lawsuit. I just remember
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being giddy like a kid
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you know like this sentence this
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is fucking bonkers that this exists.
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And as for the judicial requirement, Wes
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knew immediately who was behind it.
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That's just
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Davenport. Meaning, judge
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Davenport. There's no question
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that it could be anybody else. Two
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and a half years earlier when Wes first
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started taking cases in Rutherford County
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he'd done it because his buddies had told him there's
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always work in juvenile court. At
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the time he hadn't thought about why that might
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be but the longer he worked
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there the why seemed
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like a more and more important question.
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And now finally he felt like he
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was on the verge of answering it. From
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serial productions in the New York Times I'm Maribyrnite
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and this is the kids of
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River County.
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Episode 3, would you like
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to see the government?
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When Wes found this line about there
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being a judicial requirement to arrest
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a kid for any and all infractions
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it felt like a smoking gun. He
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thought he and Mark finally had what they needed
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to expose Judge Davenport.
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the
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person who oversaw the court and the
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jail, and also slap Rutherford
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County with a class-action lawsuit, something
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much larger than just this hobgood mess.
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I remember being super,
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super, super excited about it and just
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couldn't wait to talk to Mark
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about it. I
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wasn't very enthusiastic
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about it.
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Mark didn't share Wes's eagerness.
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I wasn't enthusiastic at all, you know, because
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Wesley would have ideas a lot, and
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some of them were not very good, you know, and
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he'd bring them to me and I'd look at them, and I'd try to...he'd
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get very excited, and I'd try to calm down and all that
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stuff, and I thought this was another one of those.
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Mark felt they had a better chance, focusing
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on a class-action lawsuit related to solitary
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confinement. They'd already gotten a favorable
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ruling on that issue. They should
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spend their time on that. So he
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waved Wes off. But Wes,
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he was still convinced. There's got
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to be something here. He figured,
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if Mark doesn't want to help me, I'll
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find someone who can.
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So he spoke to a lawyer he really respected
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who'd done some important cases involving police
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misconduct, a guy named Kyle
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Mother's head. Kyle's a good
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lawyer. He'll tell you so. And
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that's not all he'll tell you.
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I mean, like, I, you know, I am a... I
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am a very good-looking man. I'll just say that to you. That's
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how I would describe it. In
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juvenile court is actually when I first started being
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compared to Bradley Cooper.
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As you can hear, Kyle has a
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lot of confidence and for pretty good
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reasons. For one, he actually does
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look like Bradley Cooper. And two,
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he's won some big civil rights cases in Tennessee.
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And even though Kyle told me he found Wes
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to be, quote, very, very,
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very, very, very green. Five
9:53
veris. This case was too
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good to pass up. You know, I just, I
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just want it. You know, like, I want in
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on that.
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And I wanted to be part of that and I wanted
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to, you know, have a high profile
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case that felt important. Did
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it seem like a moneymaker? Yeah, but
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not like massive money, but like good
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money.
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Kyle laid out a plan
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for Wes.
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Let's first file a lawsuit on behalf
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of one of the Hopgood clients, then
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maybe through discovery in that case, we
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can find evidence that Judge Davenport
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really is telling police to arrest all
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kids in a way that violates state
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law. So in July 2016, the
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lawyers filed a lawsuit and a few months
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later, they got their first big round of discovery,
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an email link to a bunch of documents,
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internal memos from the judge, the jail,
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the sheriff's office and the police. As
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they started reading through the documents, they
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quickly found exactly what they were looking for,
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a series of policy memos
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written by Davenport to law enforcement
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about arrests. One memo
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said even kids accused of the most minor
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offenses, things like skipping school,
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smoking cigarettes or breaking curfew
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should be quote, taken into custody
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and transported to the juvenile detention
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center. There was no other
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option, no notice to show
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up in court at a later date.
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Nothing.
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The police had to arrest kids. Wes
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couldn't believe it was written down so starkly,
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just there in black and white. I
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remember thinking, how stupid
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could you possibly be to put
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this kind of a thing in
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writing in simple terms, and
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then send it out to
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a bunch of law enforcement agencies because it
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immediately to me appeared
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to be illegal
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in excess
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of her jurisdiction, borderline
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criminal
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because you're not going
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to be able to do that. directing law enforcement
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officers to commit mass illegal
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arrests of children.
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This explained so much why
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Rutherford County's police were arresting
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so many kids. But it
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didn't explain everything Wes had been seeing.
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Remember, for over
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two years Wes had been in court
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waving around the state's detention statute
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complaining that his clients were getting jailed
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when they shouldn't be. Tennessee
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law was really clear and narrow
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about when a kid could be locked up, generally
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for only the most serious charges and circumstances.
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With the memos,
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Wes now understood
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why these kids were being arrested
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and brought to jail for processing.
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But why were the county's juvenile jail staff
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also locking these kids up instead
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of sending them home? Well,
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Wes found the answer to that
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was also written down in black and white.
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They wanted to find out that Lynn Duke just like wrote the
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policies, you know, they got rubber
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stamped and implemented. Wes
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is referring here to Lynn Duke, the
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woman Davenport appointed to run the jail.
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For years, the jail had an informal system
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for its intake process. If
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a jail staffer wasn't sure what to do with a kid,
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put them in jail or let them go, well,
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they could call administrators like Duke
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or even Davenport who would tell
13:23
the jail staff what to do with the kid.
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Lynn Duke declined to talk to me for this
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story. But in a deposition,
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she said the problem with this informal system
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was that it was exhausting. Jail
13:35
staff had just too many questions for
13:38
administrators like her, especially
13:40
after work hours. So
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in 2008, Duke and her team put together
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a new intake policy called the
13:46
filter system, a quote guideline
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jail intake officers could refer
13:51
to when deciding to keep a kid or
13:54
release them. It was
13:56
a two column chart
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on one side was when to release.
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On the other was when to hold, i.e.
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hold a kid in jail. But under
14:05
that section, many of the reasons listed
14:08
were in direct violation of actual
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Tennessee law. For instance,
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this so-called filter system
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said kids would be held any time
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a victim alleged an injury, even
14:19
just a scratch, a kid could get jailed.
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The most disturbing category, though, was
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also the most vague, and it
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echoed something less than heard a lot in Davenport's
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courtroom. According to the filter
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system, any kid would be held
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if they were considered, quote, a
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true threat.
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That's the line. That phrase,
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true threat,
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if deemed true threat to
14:46
themselves or the community, they could detain them for
14:49
anything, regardless of what the charge
14:51
was. But nowhere in the jail's manual
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did it actually say what a true threat
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was. There was no definition.
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It was up to the ranking jail staff
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to decide whatever that phrase meant.
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So this true
15:05
threat analysis was the
15:08
made-up sort of standard that they
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could use to detain a
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lot of kids that shouldn't be detained.
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West didn't know just how many kids had been
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wrongly arrested over the years because the
15:19
police followed Davenport's memos, or
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how many kids were wrongly jailed by Lynn
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Duke's filter system. So
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just to get a sense of how big this could
15:28
be, he went into his own files
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to look back at all the kids he'd represented.
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So what I did was I sat
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down in my office and
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about a third of my files
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ended up as, you know,
15:44
these people have claims.
15:46
From what West could see, about a third
15:48
of his old clients were either arrested
15:50
or detained illegally, some both.
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And he was just one lawyer out
15:55
of a dozen or so who regularly worked at the
15:57
court.
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Plus,
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West had only... been there for two years. The
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filter system had been on the books for eight.
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Davenport had been on the bench for almost 20.
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How many kids were caught up in
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this?
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Um, I was 16, yeah. It
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was when I was 14 years old. 15 years
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old. 9th grade. I was like 11 or 12.
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Like I was 12 years old the first time I
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got arrested.
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How old were you? Seven.
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Oh my God.
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I talked to 25 people, now
16:31
adults, who told me about being arrested
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or locked up as kids in Rutherford County.
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I got into a farted school. We
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went in a store and decided
16:42
we were gonna steal sunglasses in magazines.
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I just ran away. I ran away.
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I spray painted a penis on a wall.
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The kid named Zeb
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was in 9th grade when he got charged
16:55
with petty theft for taking a portable speaker
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from his grandma. I remember sitting on
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my bed and I hear a knock at the door and I kinda
17:02
go towards the door
17:03
and all of a sudden they come in
17:05
and they said, Mrs. Smotherman, you're under arrest for
17:08
theft and put your hands behind your back.
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And I asked them, I said, man, how long am I gonna be
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arrested for for this? He said, for a year, for all
17:15
I care.
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Grace, 16, was at a
17:20
party with some friends. We were just sitting on
17:22
the couch when all of a sudden we hear a knock
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at the door and we
17:26
go to the door and it was the police and
17:28
they came and they arrested
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us. They said it was a noise
17:33
complaint, it was why they came. But then
17:35
they saw that there were alcohol
17:36
bottles and no
17:38
adults present. So the police arrested
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Grace and her friends for underage
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drinking. And
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there was Thomas, the fifth grader,
17:47
arrested for truancy. I didn't want to
17:49
go to school and my mom drove me
17:51
up there like, you gotta go to school. And
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I got out to walk up to the school
17:58
and I tried to turn around and run. I remember
18:01
I was crying. I was like, I don't want to go here. I
18:04
remember the principal, he
18:06
grabbed me and threw me in a chair and said
18:08
on me until the cops came.
18:10
So he put you in a chair and he sat
18:13
on you?
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He literally sat on me and
18:17
grabbed my hands until
18:19
the police showed up and then
18:22
they arrested me that day.
18:27
Then
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the seven-year-old was horsing around
18:30
with his older brothers in a vacant duplex
18:32
and they made some holes in the drywall. Sometime
18:35
after that, the police came to their house.
18:39
My mom said that they
18:41
weren't going to take me in,
18:44
but since they thought
18:46
I had
18:48
contributed to what was done to the
18:50
house, they were like, well, he
18:52
needs to learn his lesson.
18:58
It varied as the reasons for the
19:00
arrest were the people I spoke to
19:03
were usually thrown into the back of a police cruiser,
19:06
often in handcuffs and taken to the
19:08
same place. They
19:10
arrested
19:10
us and took us to
19:13
the juvenile detention center. The
19:18
cop, she said that in normal
19:20
instances she would call our parents
19:23
and have them come pick us up, but
19:25
she wanted to teach us a lesson. She
19:28
was going to keep us in there until Monday
19:30
and this was a Friday night.
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He cuffed us and gave
19:36
us a ride down to the juvenile detention center,
19:38
which, as you know, is like
19:41
a real deal,
19:43
almost like a prison in my
19:46
opinion.
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When they took us in,
19:51
they were just looking at my date of birth and stuff and
19:53
they were like, well, you're very young,
19:55
a little too young. Interesting.
20:08
Once the jail staff decided to keep a kid,
20:11
here's what would happen next. They
20:14
started doing paperwork intake stuff, you know,
20:16
they mugshot, check you for injuries,
20:18
that kind of thing. The intake of it
20:21
was you have to strip down naked in front
20:23
of this weird, I'm sorry for the language,
20:25
weird ass man. He has
20:27
to watch you naked, take
20:30
either extremely cold shower or
20:32
extremely hot shower. So you
20:34
really feel like your integrity
20:36
is completely taken away from you.
20:38
Yeah, like just ice
20:40
cold water and just getting
20:43
sexually humiliated verbally
20:46
by a large police officer telling
20:49
me to like spread my cheeks, talking
20:52
about like my like penis shrinking. That's
20:54
gross. Yeah, tell me about it.
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That was scary at first, you know, they
21:04
maybe put on the little jumpsuit and I remember
21:08
being so little, the jumpsuit didn't even fit
21:10
me. It was a short sleeve jumpsuit
21:12
that went past my elbows. I
21:15
never experienced something like that before at such
21:18
a young age. So it's like something new to
21:20
me.
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And I was doing
21:23
a lot of crying and stuff.
21:25
I was screaming too because I
21:28
mean, I didn't know where I was. I didn't even know
21:30
I was in jail. I felt like
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I didn't do that wrong. I don't deserve to be locked up. I'm
21:35
just mad. My momma died. I'm sad.
21:37
I'm hurt.
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Y'all should be trying to help me soon. Miss Al-Nagamita.
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You have toilet, shower, bench,
21:51
bed, nothing. You
21:54
did fall asleep. You have to stand in corners.
21:58
You don't get any books. And you're forced to go to bed. to
22:00
sit up all day long. You
22:02
can do push-ups, sit-ups. You
22:05
can work out, but other than that, if you
22:07
lay down, they come yelling, you threaten to,
22:09
like, yank you up and then put
22:12
you on lockdown.
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Lockdown, you might remember, was
22:18
the county's term for solitary confinement.
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15-year-old Quinterious Frazier was
22:25
once put on lockdown for eight days
22:27
straight. Like, I'm
22:29
sitting in there just looking at myself, thinking
22:32
a lot of crazy, bad thoughts. Like,
22:36
I wanted to, like, really take my life, because
22:39
I'm in there and I'm just cold
22:41
and I'm just stressed. And then it got to the point where when
22:43
I started thinking those thoughts, I would read the Bible,
22:46
because that's all I had was a Bible.
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Kids told me about their struggles to get
22:53
their basic needs met.
22:54
Here's Grace, the girl arrested
22:57
for underage drinking. While
22:59
I was there,
23:00
I started my period and
23:02
they refused to give me any kind of tampons
23:05
or pads or anything. So
23:07
I basically sat in a bloody
23:08
jumpsuit for two full
23:10
days while I was there.
23:13
Dylan was 15 years old when
23:15
he went to jail.
23:16
It was the first time he'd ever been in trouble with
23:19
the law. I had asked them for my medication.
23:21
They weren't going to give me that. They weren't going to give me my retainer, which,
23:23
you know, is one thing, because that's metal. But my
23:26
psychiatrist prescribed medication for
23:29
my bipolar disorder and my depression. And
23:32
so there's just a lot of constant
23:35
anxiety and stuff. And so to be in there without this
23:37
medication, now I'm manic depressive
23:39
in this cell. And that's
23:41
either got you bouncing off the balls or wanting
23:44
to sleep all day. And you can't do either of them. You're stuck
23:46
in a box.
23:46
And so it's a real, it's almost like a four
23:49
day panic attack.
23:52
I remember on the fourth day, I was starting to
23:55
get really manic and out of control.
24:01
At some point, the kids would go
24:03
before Judge Davenport for their hearing,
24:05
where they'd find out if they'd
24:07
be released or stay in jail
24:10
even longer.
24:11
They had us
24:14
shackles from our feet to our arms
24:17
going into court.
24:18
I just remember staying in there, and I'm
24:21
pretty sure I had hank, I guess they're not
24:23
handcuffs if they're around your feet, but
24:25
shackles.
24:25
Oh, the shackles. Yeah. We
24:28
had our feet, and our parents were there, and
24:30
all my friends' parents were there, and they had all
24:32
four of us come out there. So, obviously,
24:35
just
24:36
had been in there for two days and been crying
24:39
and looking a
24:41
mess, and
24:43
I was just embarrassed.
24:47
What do you remember about the judge?
24:50
She called our parents up
24:52
and made them stand in a
24:55
single file in front of her and said,
24:58
that because of what they were doing as parents,
25:00
that this was the problem with Rutherford County.
25:03
She treated us like we were beneath her, you know? That
25:05
there were kids like us running around
25:07
the street. She treated us like we were scum.
25:10
The one thing I remember
25:12
she said is that she said that I was a threat
25:14
to myself and my society.
25:17
Yeah, she told me that I was a menace to society.
25:19
I was deemed infamous, is
25:22
what she called me. I think she had a gavel
25:24
to it and hit it, that you're staying
25:26
in juvenile, so I was deemed to take
25:28
you out.
25:29
Something about that. I wouldn't see Rutherford County
25:32
again until I was an adult and out of her courtroom.
25:42
As for seven-year-old Brandon,
25:45
Judge Davenport sent him back to jail
25:47
for another week. For
25:50
me, I feel like it was like a dream that
25:52
never happened, but it actually happened.
26:04
With two key pieces of evidence in hand,
26:06
the arrest policy and the filter system,
26:09
Wes knew they had the makings of
26:11
a massive lawsuit,
26:12
just the kind of case he'd been dreaming of.
26:16
These policies had been in the books for
26:18
years, and now seeing just how
26:20
many of his own clients were affected,
26:22
it didn't take much imagination
26:24
to ponder the scope of it all.
26:26
Four, five, six thousand
26:29
kids maybe,
26:30
all of whom were now potential plaintiffs.
26:33
So I started calling
26:35
those kids and their parents and
26:37
just telling them, hey, I'm Wesley,
26:40
good to talk to you again, I hope things
26:42
are going well, would you like to see the
26:44
government?
26:45
When a handful said yes, that they were
26:47
prepared
26:47
to be the named plaintiffs for a class
26:50
action, that's when things got real.
26:53
Even Mark, who dismissed all this early on,
26:55
was by now fully on board. This
26:58
was now a huge case. It was a huge
27:00
case.
27:02
A case that could finally hold the county
27:04
responsible for its juvenile justice
27:06
system and make a difference
27:08
in the lives of the kids there. But
27:10
let's be honest, these guys are also
27:13
plaintiffs lawyers, and they also
27:15
saw the potential for their lives to
27:17
change. We did think that
27:19
we were going to make more money
27:21
than we'd ever made on anything, because
27:23
it was such, it seemed so obvious
27:26
to us that this was
27:28
a gross deprivation
27:31
of the civil rights of thousands of children.
27:34
And how could that not be worth millions of dollars?
27:37
$30 million, I think is what Wesley and I would throw around.
27:40
The guys now knew, with all their hard
27:42
evidence, that they had a powerful story
27:44
to tell in court about the illegal
27:46
things Rutherford County and Judge
27:48
Davenport had been doing to kids. But
27:51
for years, Judge Davenport
27:54
had been telling her own story. And
27:56
that story held a different kind
27:58
of power.
28:00
We're later
28:03
on.
28:24
Good
28:27
morning to you. Welcome into the action line
28:29
from WGNS. This morning
28:32
we're talking about the Rutherford County Juvenile
28:34
Court System. Judge Donna
28:36
Scott Davenport is our guest this
28:38
morning. Good morning to you. Good morning, Bart. Good
28:41
to have you with us today. Thank you. Judge
28:44
Davenport wouldn't talk to me, so I
28:46
wasn't able to ask her directly any of my questions,
28:49
which were all variations of the same question.
28:52
Why? Why order law
28:54
enforcement to arrest children
28:56
when they shouldn't? Why allow jail
28:58
staff to lock them up when they shouldn't? But
29:01
there was a place where for 10 years
29:03
Judge Davenport shared many of her views
29:06
on all things juvenile court.
29:08
WGNS Radio,
29:10
Rutherford County's Good Neighbor Station.
29:13
On the first Tuesday of every month, she
29:15
could be heard chatting with host
29:16
Bart Walker III. It is a
29:19
sunny day out today. It is. Even though if we got
29:21
a little snow coming in, that's okay. We're always
29:23
open for business down on South Church Street.
29:26
I've listened to 70 hours worth of these radio
29:29
broadcasts. And in the process,
29:31
I've come to understand something
29:33
of Judge Davenport's worldview. A
29:35
worldview with a healthy dose of nostalgia
29:38
for
29:38
a simpler time. We don't
29:40
have that old traditional
29:43
family sit down at dinner. How was
29:45
your day? A time when society
29:47
had better values. And we continue
29:49
to go downward with our
29:51
morals and our ethics. Back
29:54
before things like cell phones and video
29:56
games infiltrated kids' lives.
29:59
with the video games and now we've
30:02
got the phones and the games, with that
30:04
comes increasing aggression. And
30:06
I've been here so long that I do see the
30:09
increase of our violence.
30:11
The main thing that I... During the years Davenport
30:14
had this radio segment, juvenile
30:16
crime in Rutherford County was actually
30:18
on the decline.
30:20
But statistics be damned. According
30:22
to Judge Davenport, things were getting worse
30:24
every year, and she was seeing younger and
30:26
younger kids coming into her courtroom. We
30:29
are having younger children
30:31
that need assistance.
30:33
And we do not have programs
30:36
for children 11,
30:37
10, 9, 8, 7. And
30:40
we
30:41
are locking... You
30:44
have seven year olds now? I've locked up one
30:46
seven year
30:47
old in 13 years, and that was
30:49
a heartbreak.
30:50
But eight and nine year olds in
30:53
odor are very common now.
30:54
That sounds scary. I mean,
30:57
that sounds like kindergarten.
31:00
Part of the problem was parenting. Judge
31:03
Davenport said many parents were simply
31:05
unwilling to do what was necessary to
31:07
keep their kids safe. You need to be
31:11
monitoring what they do. Do
31:14
not let them lock their bedroom door and not
31:17
allow you in. And some
31:19
parents, they'll say, well, what do you want me
31:22
to do? Well, take the door off the hinges.
31:24
Oh, well, that's a good idea. Well, they
31:27
don't need to be driving. Well, disable
31:29
the car. Take the car keys. Don't
31:31
have your keys out where they can take them.
31:33
Common sense. We
31:36
need a Department of Common
31:38
Sense.
31:41
Listening to these radio segments, it sounded
31:43
to me that Judge Davenport saw
31:45
herself as part of that Department
31:48
of Common Sense, waging a battle
31:50
against the decline in civility and morals,
31:53
the increase in entitlement and aggression.
31:56
And the detention center was a vital tool
31:58
for keeping kids
31:59
going down that path. And they
32:02
know if they break the law there's going to be a consequence.
32:04
And they're going to be detained, possibly.
32:07
They're going to be held for a while. And they are going to be held
32:09
accountable for their action. And there is
32:11
no more slap on the wrist. They're
32:14
going to see some consequence.
32:16
And I'd like to think that that's
32:18
part of it and that we will
32:21
use our facility to detain you.
32:28
Davenport
32:28
bragged about the detention center
32:30
all the time. The great staff there.
32:32
The great programming. How state of the
32:35
art it was. She called it a dream
32:37
come true. And even opened it up for
32:39
tours.
32:40
You have an open house coming up
32:41
soon. Yes, you know we're always excited
32:44
about our open house. And you can bring your
32:46
family. We do
32:48
like to wet your whistle there and give you a little
32:50
piece of cake. People have two
32:52
tours. As for the kids who
32:54
are held in the jail, Davenport
32:56
liked to refer to them as hers.
32:59
As in, I'm seeing a lot of aggression
33:01
in my nine and ten year olds. In
33:04
fact, her role as a stand-in parent
33:07
was pretty explicit.
33:08
In watching you, you
33:11
act like a proud parent. Well,
33:13
I've been called the mother of the county.
33:16
I am very proud
33:18
of them because that's my job. To
33:21
push them and shove them and fuss at
33:23
them to know what's important and help
33:25
shape their lives and have them
33:28
a future. Listeners
33:29
to the radio show would sometimes
33:31
call in to praise Judge Davenport's
33:33
work. We just wanted to call in and
33:35
tell Judge Davenport how much we appreciate
33:38
her and wanted to thank her for everything
33:40
she does. You're a very good judge. You're very
33:42
fair. How you doing? Very good job. I'm
33:44
really impressed. This is Judge Campbell. I
33:47
just want to say thank you for your years of leading
33:50
the young people of this county. You've done a heck
33:52
of a job.
33:53
What I love doing every day. Well,
33:55
I know it is. It's
33:58
like in one reality, there was a lot of people who were in the county.
33:59
lawyers, Wes and Mark, and
34:02
now Kyle, who were saying, the
34:04
way you've been running this operation is against
34:07
the law. And it's pretty clear.
34:09
The state says exactly when to arrest
34:12
and jail a kid. And you in the county
34:14
have ignored what the state says and
34:17
made up your own rules. But
34:19
on the other side was Judge Davenport,
34:21
who is confident in her own criteria.
34:24
And then you look to see if they are a risk
34:26
to themselves or a risk to the
34:28
community. And if there is a finding
34:30
that they're a risk, then we
34:32
can hold them. We don't use
34:35
our facility as punishment. We use it
34:37
only as detainment if they're a risk
34:39
to themselves or a risk to our community.
34:42
If they pose a risk to themselves or
34:44
this community, we will utilize our detention
34:46
facility. Special thank you
34:49
to Judge Nala Scott Davenport for
34:51
joining us this morning.
34:56
Stay with us. We're going to check on the weather.
34:59
We'll be back.
35:12
In the spring of 2017, nine months after Wes, Mark,
35:15
and Kyle filed
35:17
their lawsuit, they
35:19
got their chance to put the two versions of
35:21
reality side by side in
35:23
a different courtroom where a different
35:25
judge presided.
35:27
It was a preliminary injunction hearing
35:29
where they would present all the evidence and say
35:31
to a federal judge,
35:33
hey, while
35:33
we know this lawsuit is still going to take
35:36
a while to resolve,
35:37
in the meantime, Rutherford County is illegally
35:39
arresting and jailing kids.
35:42
Can you force their hand?
35:44
Make them stop using these policies immediately?
35:47
The attorneys had uncovered a hefty bit of evidence
35:50
to present.
35:51
The memo is outlining the arrest policy,
35:54
the jail's manual laying out the filter system.
35:57
There was also some striking data from the county
35:59
and the state. state that they found too from
36:01
just a few years before. It
36:03
suggested that Rutherford County
36:05
had been jailing kids at 10 times
36:08
the state average.
36:10
They also had depositions.
36:12
Judge Davenport in a deposition told
36:14
the lawyers that when she'd issued her arrest
36:16
memos, it was never her intention to take
36:19
away a police discretion. But
36:21
a sheriff's deputy in his own deposition
36:23
said essentially,
36:24
well, that's how his department interpreted Davenport's
36:27
memos. It was why they arrested kids
36:29
for even the most minor offenses. It's
36:32
our policy to obey court orders and
36:34
not be in contempt of juvenile court, the
36:36
deputy told the lawyers. Jail
36:39
staffers testified that they were
36:41
trained on the filter system, that
36:43
they could be quizzed on it when up for a promotion
36:46
or disciplined for not applying it
36:48
as written. One said,
36:51
we were told when in doubt hold them,
36:53
because
36:53
it's better to hold a kid that should have been released
36:56
than release a child that should have been held.
36:59
Now
37:01
inside the stately halls of Nashville's federal
37:04
courthouse, the federal judge would
37:06
weigh the lawyer's evidence
37:08
and he would decide what reality they
37:10
were living in.
37:11
Judge Davenport or the laws.
37:14
Here's Wes. It was surreal.
37:18
Like I remember I'm waiting
37:20
outside the courtroom before the hearing
37:23
is to begin. And the
37:25
county's lawyers are there and a couple
37:27
of the other witnesses are there. And then
37:29
suddenly Judge Davenport walks
37:32
up and I'm like, oh my God,
37:35
there she is. And it was
37:37
such a different context from
37:39
how I had previously
37:42
encountered her. And like she was
37:44
here to have to give an accounting for
37:48
the policies that she
37:50
had implemented at this place. And
37:52
so I was at
37:55
the counsel table and I only examined
37:58
one of the witnesses during that. that hearing, partially
38:01
because Kyle was not impressed with my
38:04
deposition skills, but
38:06
I watched as
38:08
he examined Duke.
38:12
Again, Duke being Lynn
38:14
Duke who ran the jail and put
38:17
together the filter system. As
38:19
he examined Duke and Judge
38:21
Davenport and in
38:24
that really thorough, meticulous
38:27
way, like he wouldn't let them avoid a question
38:30
and if they tried to just talk around
38:32
his questions, he would just ask it again
38:35
and nail them down to the
38:37
reality of what
38:40
they had been doing here and of the reality
38:43
that this two pages of
38:45
statutory mandate
38:48
that I had been carrying
38:50
on about years before that, they
38:53
now had to explain why
38:56
they weren't following it and
38:59
they simply couldn't. Judge
39:01
Davenport, she just could
39:03
not give a straight answer that
39:06
made any sense about why
39:08
that statute wasn't being followed and
39:12
in that context, everyone
39:15
in the room realized how absurd it
39:17
was that the
39:19
statute wasn't being followed. It was the
39:22
inverse of the
39:25
review of the statute in the juvenile court.
39:30
Yeah, dig into that a little more. You'd spent years
39:32
waving the statute
39:35
around, telling her you're not following
39:37
it and now
39:39
she's on the witness stand in a federal
39:42
court
39:44
and she's having to explain why
39:46
she didn't follow it. Yeah, it was
39:48
so satisfying. I
39:51
remember grinning, I remember just feeling
39:53
my cheeks from the
39:56
musculature attention of me grinning for
39:59
the entire time. she was trying
40:02
to give some cohesive
40:04
explanation for the detention
40:07
policy. And at
40:09
first I was like worried, is there something we
40:11
don't know? Is there some like
40:13
brilliant legal strategy they're going to employ
40:16
here today that we just didn't see coming? And
40:20
whenever she started talking about the
40:23
safety of the kids in the community as
40:26
the standard, I knew
40:28
that like this
40:30
was it. She was going down. And
40:33
I remember looking up at Judge Waverly
40:35
Crenshaw as a very imposing
40:39
intellect and figure. And
40:42
I'm like watching him observe her
40:44
testimony. And I remember he held
40:47
his face with his hand and like his elbow
40:49
was down. He was taking notes. And
40:51
then at some point
40:53
he just set his pin down
40:55
and put his hands and crossed them in front
40:57
of him and didn't take any more
41:00
notes. And I was thinking that's
41:03
a good sign that
41:05
he's already made
41:07
up his mind as to the
41:09
testimony that's being presented by this witness.
41:13
Up until now, had you ever
41:17
contemplated what Davenport's
41:20
motivations were?
41:23
Yes.
41:24
And we knew that it
41:27
was not that she was somehow
41:29
pocketing money off of any of this. Like we
41:32
knew that was not what was happening. So
41:34
the question still remained like why
41:37
do this? What's
41:40
the benefit? But the
41:43
answer to that question I believe is just
41:45
power.
41:47
That this bureaucracy
41:51
that she was the chief
41:54
administrator over, this
41:57
was all kind of wrapped up in her identity.
42:01
Do you think she didn't understand
42:03
the statute or do you think she cared
42:06
more about power than the statute? I
42:10
think that it is impossible
42:13
for her not to have understood the statute
42:16
because I explained it to her
42:18
on dozens and dozens of occasions
42:21
and I don't think she's dumb. I don't
42:23
think she's an idiot. It doesn't
42:25
take 170 IQ
42:27
to understand how that statute applies
42:29
in that context and I don't
42:37
know what exactly is in her mind. I
42:40
just know that that is not
42:43
a realistic possibility.
42:51
The hearing lasted only one day and then
42:54
the lawyers waited for a decision. If
42:57
Judge Crenshaw rejected their request for
42:59
an injunction, that could kill the entire
43:02
case. It would mean the lawyers were
43:04
out months of work and thousands
43:06
of dollars. Even more,
43:08
Rutherford County would likely continue to jail
43:11
kids at an extraordinary rate.
43:14
It took about a month until one day
43:16
having just finished
43:17
a medical appointment and sitting in his car
43:20
in the parking lot, Wes got a notification.
43:23
The judge's ruling was in.
43:26
Only Wes couldn't read the order on his phone.
43:28
So I remember flinging the phone into the
43:31
passenger's seat and I'm like backing
43:33
up out of the parking lot and I'm trying
43:35
to use the voice dial to yell at my
43:37
car to call Mark down and
43:40
I'm just dying
43:42
to get back to my office so I can actually
43:44
open the order up and see for myself.
43:47
But Mark picks up and he's already
43:51
got his hands on the actual
43:53
order. We're basically
43:56
like school children who've
43:59
just gotten a free holiday
44:01
or something. I mean... Needless to say,
44:03
they'd won. We're screaming,
44:06
like, can you believe it? We did it, we did it, blah blah
44:08
blah, you know? They're
44:11
so fucked. I think we probably said that two
44:13
or three times at least. They
44:17
are so fucked.
44:21
Judge Crenshaw found that the kids
44:23
were, quote, suffering irreparable
44:25
harm every day through Rutherford
44:28
County's illegal detention of them. He
44:31
ordered the county to stop using the filter
44:33
system immediately. He
44:35
also said the arrest policy likely
44:38
violated state law, but he
44:40
ruled it wasn't a constitutional issue, so
44:43
it was out of his hand. That
44:45
said, police departments in the county
44:47
eventually stopped following Davenport's
44:49
policy anyway.
44:50
For Wes,
44:56
he told me Judge Crenshaw's ruling
44:58
was the best thing he'd ever read in his entire
45:01
life. For so long,
45:03
he'd complained about Judge Davenport and
45:05
what her court and detention center were
45:07
doing to children.
45:09
The arrests, the jailings, and
45:11
for so long he felt like he'd failed.
45:14
Failed to get anyone to see what he did.
45:17
Now, finally, his
45:20
reality had prevailed. What
45:22
had been happening to the kids in Rutherford County
45:25
was wrong. The
45:28
next step in the lawsuit
45:29
was to make the county pay for it. That's
45:33
in the last episode of The Kids
45:35
of Rutherford County. you
46:02
The Kids of Rutherford County
46:04
is a co-production of serial productions,
46:07
The New York Times, ProPublica
46:09
and Nashville Public Radio. It
46:11
was recorded by me, Mera Van Night,
46:14
with additional reporting from Ken Armstrong.
46:17
The show was produced by Danos DeMette
46:20
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46:22
Navarro, editing
46:24
from Julie Snyder and Jen Guarra,
46:27
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46:28
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46:31
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46:33
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46:34
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46:36
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46:39
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46:42
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46:45
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additional fact checking by Naomi Sharpe,
46:50
sound design, music supervision and
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mixing by C.B. The
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original score for our show is from
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The Blustein Company.
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Susan Westling is our standards
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editor and legal review from
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Dana Green, Alameen Sumar
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and Simone Proton. The
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art for our show comes from Pablo
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Delcon. Additional
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production from Janelle Peifer. Mac
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Miller is the executive assistant
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for serial.
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Sam Dolnick is the deputy managing
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editor
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of The New York Times.
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Special thanks to Katie Mingel, Mike
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Comite, Aaron Rees, Bianca
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Gaver, Jordan McCarley and
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Rob Robinson. The Kids
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of Rutherford County is produced by
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Serial Productions in New York Times.
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ProPublica and Nashville
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Public Radio.
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you
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