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28:16 – Sitting outside on this blustery winter morning talking about Mike Karels, Gordon Bell, Dave Ross, and Jim Kloss, with some trademark digressions and a hot mug of coffee. Recorded early June 2024.

Recorded in Sydney, Australia. Licence for this track: Creative Commons Attribution 3.0. Attribution: Ruben Schade.

Released June 2024 on The Overnightscape Underground, an Internet talk radio channel focusing on a freeform monologue style, with diverse and fascinating hosts; this one notwithstanding. Hosted graciously by the Internet Archive.

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By Ruben Schade in Sydney, 2024-06-20.