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stone music now, have another

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pact episode you today, we're going to start

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out by talking the best pop

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music of 2022, so far

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to do that i'll be by one

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of rolling stones, pop, experts, tomas,

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me are, who's joining me for the first time on

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this? and i'll be joined

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by rolling stones corey grow talk

0:53

about the very metal aspects

0:55

of this season of stranger

0:58

things from metallica to the

1:00

real life satanic panic that actually

1:02

inspired a lot of this season's plot

1:04

and of course, one the very best pop

1:07

albums of the year was harry's house by

1:09

harry styles and if you want to

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hear us talk about that, we had an entire episode

1:13

about that just a few weeks ago so tomasson

1:15

i will be skipping that one but here's

1:17

what we had to say about a lot of the other

1:20

great pop music of twenty twenty two

1:22

so far that is so too must

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think so much for joining me of

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course as a thank you for having me absolutely

1:29

i want to start by asking about

1:31

to to take a picture of the

1:34

overall trends i mean one

1:36

thing that seems significant to me as we are in the

1:38

sort of post olivia rodrigo moment

1:41

and we see that in various places

1:43

we see that in more guitars and some albums

1:45

we see that in her friend current

1:47

graze album are you seeing

1:50

that effect and what other sort

1:52

of overall movements trends

1:54

changes are you seeing so far this year and pop

1:57

and pop as as will see from the kind of

1:59

music we talk about his

1:59

so broad that is almost impossible general

2:02

has no it totally is too

2:04

hard to generalize but i think the

2:06

impact of a live your rodriguez definitely

2:08

there and i wanna say also the impact

2:10

of machine gun tally and his punk

2:13

rock resurgence is definitely in

2:16

a lot of the music that we're getting this year

2:18

i muscles feeling like a lot more artists are

2:20

willing to be a lot more experimental

2:22

in their sounds and tapping into sounds that

2:25

may be may not have worked before or

2:27

finding a way to lease their

2:29

cultural heritage into

2:32

the sounds and make it sound so natural

2:34

we saw this lesser to but this so much

2:36

great latin music that

2:38

is so experimental at the moment in the pushing

2:41

a lot of boundaries definitely i mean

2:43

a for his talk about experimental latin music

2:45

i think we would have to talk about that bunnies in

2:47

varanasi the that did such a good

2:49

job of mixing is ruth

2:51

on sound with tropical sounds

2:54

the past the also this electronic tdm

2:56

element to it that just makes it so

2:59

bad buddies still but also

3:01

very different and very new

3:03

and i think it's resonating with people

3:06

perfectly we're talking about somebody that

3:08

has been the number one streamed artists

3:10

in the world for two or three years

3:12

at this point and filing an album

3:14

that is even better

3:16

or equally as good as his last

3:19

two records whether it be you're going to commit that like

3:21

are not or and html the [unk] mundo he

3:23

really did that was a little bit [unk] siem de

3:26

there was filled with clubs with like newcomers like

3:28

our the hundred on party and j

3:30

cortez ontario and i think

3:32

he did a really good job of adding new sounds

3:34

it also featuring some india like

3:37

i wouldn't never imagined this year the maria's

3:39

joining bad bunny on attack on autonomous

3:42

and put it just works

3:52

their homes on this album like they

3:54

deliberately dot which is probably the

3:57

stand out on this record

4:07

and it just

4:08

that bunny alone but as as

4:10

is catchy verse is catchy chorus

4:12

that as soon as he hear the title of the

4:14

song you already know like what

4:17

what it is as as does the clubs

4:19

with bomb by steady oh on know he does lean

4:21

those and on the murray as

4:23

an other than the said that are so unexpected

4:26

but once you hear it just makes

4:28

sense and it's it's this next to like

4:30

this indeed beautiful voices of these a female

4:32

singers with that but he's kind of

4:34

like try to get don't rat

4:37

trap voice that merged

4:39

together so perfectly another really

4:41

acclaimed albums i know is

4:44

among your personal favorite to the years

4:46

that rosalie album as to so

4:48

cool santa claims he's really stretching herself

4:50

i mean stretching yourself is probably the words

4:53

used to describe what does the nets and on this

4:55

album because i think she was able

4:57

to include so many different

4:59

genres so many different sounds on

5:01

a record and still make it sound like it belonged

5:04

altogether it's weird it's really

5:06

weird strange album put in

5:08

it works she's like saying the

5:10

alphabet in one of the song

5:12

early alpha i thought i'd

5:14

again it on the the

5:17

there could get very

5:20

know

5:20

in another one she seeing about chicken

5:22

teriyaki

5:23

the new t than that he against

5:25

the let that get a mckamie the thunder modern

5:29

when a criminal but

5:32

in context and and if you listen to all

5:34

the way through i think it just shows

5:36

the complexities of the type of musician

5:38

and woman that she is and and it's perfect

5:40

and it has that weekend collab that i think

5:43

is phenomenal a farmer where she taps into

5:45

by shocked by which is a caribbean genre

5:47

that might not be that you wouldn't expect

5:49

somebody like percent of the and the weekend to do well

5:51

with and they knock it out of the park

5:54

okay okay

5:57

okay

5:59

eric

6:02

i think said

6:04

the good transition into

6:07

one of the biggest n one of the best

6:10

probably her year which is

6:12

the weekends album don't

6:14

fm a might actually be my favorite

6:17

weekend album i think it it is to

6:19

one the best makes the case for

6:21

him as the kind of top or tour

6:24

beyond just hitmaker they clearly as

6:26

the spot he wants to occupy right now and

6:28

i was really impressed with it it paints the kind

6:30

of visual picture he was the

6:32

pain with really cool send stuff

6:34

city pop and for and stuff eighty

6:36

them for stuff is of real

6:38

achievement i thought

6:47

totally it's cinematic

6:49

it felt like i feel like i was in

6:51

the journey i felt like you know a

6:53

will make buzz lightyear like takes off into space

6:56

and it's like stars all around like that's

6:58

what this album felt like to me and i think

7:00

it's very different from anything he's done before

7:02

says and under edible intake before

7:04

a bulgaria got very good for you

7:07

that i guess it's every get you

7:09

there and i mean if we're talking about

7:11

the we get his best albums beauty behind madness

7:14

behind think still will always be my favorite

7:16

because favorite suggests a perfect arm be records

7:19

but when it comes to this pop and the sec experiments

7:21

illness experiments think he does it

7:23

perfectly on this record and i think the

7:26

few clubs on it work well i think it's

7:28

lil wayne and tyler the creator that are in

7:30

there and i think they add the perfect lil

7:33

as to taste dot that just

7:35

make this record social

7:45

we should talk about flow for

7:48

an amazing young girl

7:50

group really in their destinies child

7:52

then they put us is perfect a

7:54

p and i think that's where your favorite

7:56

says well if you're going to talk to me

7:58

you were going to talk about groups could i'm

8:00

a girl group fanatic and we're talking about

8:03

slow coming in at a time when i'm little

8:05

next just disbanded states army

8:07

has been gone gone for a few years now

8:09

so like we're due for a new girl group

8:12

and i think that these girls did everything

8:14

they needed to do too the the

8:16

moment they mix the sake aren't be nostalgia

8:19

like early two thousand but with this modern

8:22

flair that i think works so well the

8:24

first single cardboard box was outstanding

8:27

to the point where of missy elliott

8:29

jojo everybody was shouting it out because

8:31

he was just that good

8:41

and everyone acquired these girls

8:44

and a few months later they dropped the lead

8:46

a p and i think it's like that perfect introduction

8:49

to a group that i think it's gonna be the next

8:51

big thing let's not assessed at times

8:54

it feels like it i'm surprised that kerber

8:56

box was

8:57

a bigger song men at what i haven't

8:59

seen in and take talk to her down the radio but i

9:01

could be wrong

9:02

no you're right i i don't think it's guys

9:04

the

9:05

car achievement than it deserves the maybe this

9:07

he's gonna help the also dropped the follow up

9:10

single image sure that i think is also

9:12

great pop aren't be tracked

9:14

like

9:24

there i'd be like these girls are

9:26

gonna be it any less talk about

9:28

omar apollo's ivory where the great

9:30

profile them are apollo

9:32

and this is really

9:34

really interesting album and while

9:37

not saying it's influenced by

9:39

a olivia in a very different vein it is

9:41

so how much sort of like guitars

9:43

are

9:44

that at the moment it this a song

9:47

on there that i was

9:49

torn between weathered sounds like the

9:51

zombies or the sins

9:53

waiting on you

9:59

the thing that

10:02

, so it's so

10:04

beautiful sort of singer songwriter album

10:07

tell me that i'd recommend everyone read your

10:09

profile him but toss a little bit about him

10:11

and about this album

10:13

yeah think you were omar apollo

10:15

like me that son of mexican american immigrants

10:18

keys queer he grew up listening to music

10:21

the sense like prince like whitney

10:23

houston and you get all those influences

10:25

is a cultural background with the music that he

10:27

grew up listening to on this record and

10:29

i think it's one of those albums that

10:32

he tries a taste of everything

10:34

that he's good at and puts it all together

10:36

on one first lp and i

10:38

think this is a pretty good way to just take to

10:40

compare waiting on you my personal

10:42

favorite on the album is killing me i think

10:45

is is this a beautiful song that's on have

10:47

been series by and it came out it came

10:49

out an interesting time in my life but there's

10:51

also a song on there that i want to talk about

10:53

and and on visa which is literally a country

10:55

though like it's a spanish all spanish good

10:57

or evil or he's backed simply by an

10:59

acoustic guitar or mud the

11:08

the album like you maybe it seems

11:11

out of place and the song right after

11:13

his attract produced on for out

11:15

tamagotchi

11:25

but this armies like such like a perfect amount

11:27

to like who he is as an american

11:29

first generation american and is definitely

11:31

my favorite song on that album different

11:33

thing is fascinating because he

11:36

he's never sort of stopped having a moment

11:38

but he's clearly having a moment and in places

11:40

where he wouldn't necessarily expect the movies on the rosalia

11:43

album she's on this album and

11:45

probably you know a bunch of albums like

11:47

i haven't even thought of his really right

11:49

back at the very center

11:52

of some of the most exciting music right now definitely

11:54

i mean i don't in spanish you say no

11:56

sign of mana which doesn't he never goes

11:58

out of style and i think that what for

12:00

also good out that he can make anything

12:02

sounds so him but also still so

12:05

new and i think that happens

12:07

here with tamagotchi told us he such

12:09

as interesting song and and i think for ride

12:11

it out perfect touch to this record

12:13

and for my all my told me others

12:15

more music with for our on the way some

12:17

interested to see what stock in a cell

12:19

like giving will be got with tamagotchi is

12:21

true he does not go at a style there

12:24

are tied my the weaken the we can someone else who at

12:26

the beginning people talk about in terms of actually

12:28

the exact same bedroom are be was literally

12:30

the same camera the scripts and

12:33

and they both broken so hard out

12:35

of there and omar outspoken to me

12:37

about how he had already this record done

12:39

and there was something that he didn't like he just

12:41

was like it's to to

12:44

perfect quote unquote because it's exactly what he

12:46

was being asked to do but he didn't

12:48

feel him at all and i think with this

12:50

l p he really was i target it's happened

12:52

to what i like the sounds that i like

12:54

he literally scrap the music video that was already

12:56

shot simply because he didn't like the song anymore

12:59

and i think that putting his artists who

13:01

first is really taking him to

13:03

a new place camila cabello i

13:06

know it's is a real a to are free

13:08

to talk about this and as it's

13:10

if i could hear the pain in your voice

13:12

when you're talking about a group breaking up even

13:15

though sixty years but see the interesting

13:17

point in her career maybe can lay out

13:20

where she's at where this album said sin

13:22

and while other know your i'm

13:24

still not over and it's been like five years

13:26

but i'm also really glad that she

13:29

is able to do her own thing because miss

13:31

out on this album is probably my favorite

13:33

of hers as it's coming at a time when she

13:35

already had massive delays

13:37

seen heads are talking about havana

13:40

we're talking about snooty baths that came with

13:42

her first and second album and

13:44

this third go around it really seem like

13:46

camilla was coming into it been a place

13:48

where she was in the sand the on top of the charts

13:50

the singles did not chart very well but

13:52

i think what worked with this lp was

13:55

merging her couture cuban mask

13:57

and culture with these pop sounds

13:59

and doing effortlessly one some

14:01

specifically my favorite is as well as

14:03

the at this which features my the have a set

14:05

of us who has become a rugged don't

14:07

like staple on a lot of to

14:09

get on album that is like a complete

14:12

pop song into some completely in spanish

14:23

and it a try called the one i v that us in

14:26

english but with the mariachi background

14:37

camila cabello singing a mariachi song

14:39

in english and i don't think anybody

14:42

has really done that before i think

14:44

of linda ronstadt when i think of people in

14:46

the americans fear tapping into their mariachi

14:49

latino roots and i think we're done that

14:51

on this record so well and charlie

14:53

xx crass and see

14:55

someone has been around for wow it's is below

14:57

that atlantic records and like been fighting

15:00

with their label since the beginning and in is this

15:02

weird cursing was never was quite

15:04

as big as she was supposed to be and

15:07

made a lot of cool music also read a lot

15:09

of great songs for other people and i

15:12

think a lot of people felt like this

15:14

was one of her strongest arms and allows also

15:16

her final album final think on this label

15:18

says so be free now and we'll see

15:20

what he does next but see is

15:22

kind of a prop perennial now where

15:25

do you kind of slot this album in her pants

15:27

yeah i think this is your best album ever

15:29

period wow roka wow would

15:31

say so because i think sucker was the site perfect

15:33

introduction slow to romances of first

15:35

true album but i think soccer was

15:38

like the one that we got break the rules on but

15:40

i think for me this is quintessential

15:42

charlie and her full pop girl

15:44

pop mean pop moment girl think

15:47

her last two albums time

15:49

stealing now which is done three that pandemic

15:51

that pandemic self titled album charlie which

15:53

featured production credits by the late so feats

15:56

was very like experimental and

15:58

very hyper pop and i think

16:01

a little bit to the fringes and

16:03

i think what crashed it practically

16:05

was see mix those elements but

16:07

also with like something that's a lot more palatable

16:09

indigestible and i think that's

16:11

what worthwhile what's your favorite song on it i

16:14

also like yuk yuk is good so yes

16:16

jack is solid my favorites

16:26

i mean i think would you talk to

16:28

i thought the target see extra for the album came

16:30

out last year and she was like isn't

16:33

niqab becoming a villain like i'm becoming

16:35

decide bit should have explained it says that

16:37

way adding that something yardley

16:39

she's sassy like kind of kind

16:41

of like mean girl but in a perfect

16:43

when i think that's that the album is

16:45

exactly who charlie stx is

16:48

and i think that that's why it's so good and

16:50

let the collapse of the sun also phenomenal

16:52

resist i'm i think is somebody who

16:55

is similar to trial he deserves better and

16:57

he was cool to see them to on a song

16:59

and on is this beautifully strange

17:01

video of where they didn't like a human sacrifice

17:04

to so strange but it it makes sense

17:06

for them

17:15

lightning is another really good one

17:26

yeah slightly is so

17:28

good and then every rule after

17:31

that which is like a ballad so that lightning

17:33

which is like odyssey a fool bob

17:35

the berlin you going to every rule which like

17:37

this like slower be more bowses

17:40

like pop song and then you get yuck

17:42

as used to know me which is the

17:44

one of those that stand out single they think

17:46

that has been remix time and again and

17:49

if you ever good out west hollywood by

17:51

and you really curious to know me at at every

17:53

club the piscivorous darker so

17:55

to a stir up it says that around for wow

17:58

this album hard

17:59

a lot of fun it really is well

18:02

i think her main moment

18:04

before this team and she drops way

18:07

which is her album that she released before

18:09

to ring with lord and that's not have

18:11

like see my name and the title

18:13

track but this this album

18:15

hard i think was like

18:17

hey this is what been for the longest

18:20

time and i'm going to give you

18:22

completely show me love was the first

18:24

angle of this album

18:34

and then i think what she does so well and that was

18:36

that she incorporated the guitars are we were talking

18:38

about early up to this record i was

18:40

it a to say like a fool pop pop up

18:43

with the guitars is perfect and a good

18:45

for single i think for thou p

18:47

the going to say this song call

18:49

me down also has a little

18:51

bit it us postal libya guitars in it and

18:53

an album

19:03

the first are walking by the time he gets the course

19:06

it literally sounds like it should be on the slashed

19:08

and soundtrack a super restaurants

19:19

really find out know totally and

19:21

there's also the some hardcore which

19:23

i'm assuming inspired the title of the album

19:26

that was produced by elvira

19:36

the it's literally her being like foggy

19:39

anderson is do whatever i want she that he said

19:41

like the lyrics sometimes that even makes sense

19:43

but they make sense to me and that's what matters

19:46

as like that's exactly what with

19:48

to with dear god is and she's better for

19:50

i think she was a finalist and sweetest

19:52

idol right is that that's her deal yeah

19:55

something like that he was like a big girls

19:57

who this i know at all you know what i talked to her

19:59

about i

19:59

after event like come into the footsteps

20:02

of like swedish icons i'm talking

20:04

about i'm fucking

20:06

hello robin even and she's a

20:08

nobody is expecting to be the

20:10

next about that i'm glad that the reputation

20:12

is like bleeding onto my music and it's

20:14

true like i think i think of see the scarlets

20:17

and i know that they're gonna make phenomenal poppies

20:19

with tove lo as pronounced tove but she's

20:21

front as their right oh my gosh

20:23

what if it's supposed to three three hours

20:25

to the zoo but she's embrace

20:27

tableau so you are even know

20:29

it's a car in our our car both i

20:32

feel betrayed as you know this

20:34

discern are like we will probably

20:36

end up we haven't heard of as as whole

20:38

album at this point but about damn time

20:41

is

20:42

there's an undeniable great

20:44

song

20:53

i think it's lives though as less

20:56

own i think what lizard does well as having

20:58

those the sounds like the

21:00

a catchy empowering lyrics and i think

21:02

make a perfect like i think that's why tic toc

21:04

has in the song up i think the

21:07

biggest complaint biggest could pay to it or web based

21:09

on the sake paid to it is that the certain

21:11

tic tac songs where you are

21:13

truly just happy with the sixteen

21:15

seconds of it and never need to hear the rest

21:18

but unlike many those this one actually holds

21:20

up as an entire such totally

21:22

such totally with you on that i had actually

21:24

assume that it wouldn't i assume that was

21:26

only that part and then i had no i'm actually

21:29

as i want the whole thing i'm surprised if

21:31

real lizard tickets next level spider

21:33

and then there's a great sky for

21:35

heiress on this guy for era being neglected

21:38

the great lost all pop

21:40

the star who's just

21:42

been working on their next album for like

21:44

years and years and years and

21:47

has come back with back song

21:49

that i love don't forget

21:59

like the whole it's it's not

22:02

actually produced by trent reznor i'm like less

22:04

all the album but a has a little better that

22:06

might be produced by trent reznor type in

22:08

industrial park five and i think through the corner

22:10

of your into that know totally eminence cancer

22:12

is one of those artists are a sight

22:15

she always deserve banner always

22:17

need is better always deserve

22:19

the world and i i think her coming back

22:21

with the single just like make sense to see

22:24

she had dinner really simply night team called

22:26

downhill alibi for like coming back

22:28

with this like i think is it was

22:30

aspire it was

22:31

i read everything we needed from somebody like

22:33

sky today and i feel under

22:35

knows the album is gonna turn

22:37

out to be a problem per se so this

22:39

might be in the wrong tara but i was

22:42

stunned by how much i love the know a cyrus

22:44

song i burned out lie down is really good

22:55

see i'm excited to hear his entire

22:57

project they still haven't listened to the swing either

23:00

i know our college you the suggested this

23:02

phenomenal profile on rely

23:04

air that i think just like really humanizes

23:07

the psych younger sister of a pop star

23:09

who also is a petition in her

23:11

own right and she's like opening up in the music

23:14

like she has it the for about

23:16

the addiction and things like that but i burned

23:18

delhi down is so great that's the one

23:20

side is as to what i have listened to and

23:22

i have it in my like most stream songs

23:24

so good this a song called beat

23:26

boy by benny this what are your favorite tell

23:28

me about that one

23:38

many is a queen she had a son

23:40

pop talk

23:47

no

23:54

i'm sure you probably heard it and

23:56

before then she had the song called glitter

23:58

that was also doing

23:59

mom and pop pop

24:10

anything she dropped his debut album

24:12

last year and came back this year

24:14

with the same very experimental he p

24:17

i guess has been called an album it's seven tracks

24:20

beach boys being the first single

24:22

from it and it's and it's it's fun

24:24

record as a psych pursuing

24:26

things beats boy be my bitch baby

24:28

and i think it's it's benny and wished as

24:30

best as i think the last records have

24:32

been really clamps governments wish and grimes

24:34

on a shed lily allen on her last

24:36

album and this a piece

24:38

last project is all

24:40

just her experiments with me sounds

24:43

and yeah the others cause bt

24:45

if you haven't listened to it the

24:47

beach boy be my best baby was actually delete

24:49

america that sounds do i have a package

24:52

deal that says something about becky t

24:54

becky cheat has been doing this

24:56

thing called music for so long

24:59

a profound withdrawing son she called herself

25:01

i could reverse crossover artist because

25:03

started in english and then does the

25:05

english thing this spanish and is alex

25:08

full the monster south into

25:10

and spanish world but there's actually

25:12

a lot of that reverse cross over going on isn't

25:15

there are at the moment no i mean it's the

25:17

totally is and i think specie

25:19

d has been like the doing it for just the longest

25:21

time it seems like for me i'm having

25:24

followed her are you from like shut

25:26

the shower days and now having

25:28

this album that's fully in spanish

25:30

with some pop and also

25:32

the biggest influences in there it's

25:35

a good mix of i think what makes

25:37

back eg parts of the stand off on

25:39

this one is a bind that can be act

25:41

which means i dance with mack

25:51

and it's it's a very like the disco

25:53

pop sound track and then i

25:56

would the dragons if i didn't

25:58

talk about mommy which is her color the

26:00

other gd carol g that had

26:02

become like a standout tracks

26:04

for both artists and i think really

26:06

has cemented them as like

26:08

leaders in the biggest on worlds

26:19

the

26:19

and i think it also ended any

26:22

like made up be stabbed out

26:24

there can only be woodsy next we

26:26

didn't actually took our current gray someone

26:29

you profiled and really

26:31

falls into that post olivia rodrigo

26:33

thing they were talking about it falls into another

26:36

thing they've talked about elsewhere on

26:38

this podcast which is just the sort

26:40

of children of taylor swift the

26:42

swifty turn musicians of whom

26:44

they're just more and more and more every

26:46

day yeah i mean i

26:48

mean much thousand of taylor swift

26:51

her school of lyricism

26:53

i guess i think yeah collins taps

26:56

into these like really ah deep

26:59

parts of his heart and in and

27:01

not just talking about heartbreak in the

27:03

love aspect but also where he went

27:05

through and his childhood he sings

27:07

the dow abuse and some the trauma his

27:09

face as a kid and he does are in a

27:11

way that is like like

27:14

heart wrenching but also something that

27:16

you actually want to listen to i'd

27:18

be glad it's as we get those like songs as

27:20

as you can be a little too much you know and i see this

27:22

on this concept line and i think it's it's

27:24

something that i would still stream even if i'm not

27:26

feeling super sad

27:32

why

27:35

and i think on

27:37

the album there's a lot of tracks like that where

27:40

the lyrics it's like we if we if at the lyrics

27:42

homeboys is going through it but this

27:44

one's a disaster which is probably my favorite

27:55

these were you things about this like idea

27:57

licenses like lose

28:00

recently just don't end up turning out for

28:02

him though think works so well and then there's

28:04

also foot know

28:05

the polarity

28:08

i've heard

28:11

you an idea he said

28:13

ah which field also very taylor swift

28:15

somebody pointed out that the it might

28:17

be a lyrical reference that his list it's and tolerate

28:20

it

28:30

no biggie first footnotes in the story of

28:32

your life and embracing something

28:35

very similar it in his songs but that

28:37

said it's a little trauma don't be the

28:39

album but you're right he could have papers

28:42

it nicely with melody and and makes

28:44

it appealing even when you're like even if it was your friend

28:46

or like this is a lot of a good can we save some of

28:48

this to the next time we meet but it's still

28:50

really enjoyable album and added

28:52

are having kid crow i think kid crow

28:54

as and his first lp was very like

28:57

angsty like i'm just sad

28:59

and these things happened to me outside

29:01

i went to shit cent of album

29:03

which i think the shows that he's a becoming

29:06

more mature but also still going

29:08

that point which is fully translated what

29:10

he's feeling and finally allowing himself

29:12

to just let it out here is is a

29:14

girl is he does occupies these friends

29:16

with olivia to use influenced

29:19

by lord taylor

29:21

really eyeless you know so be it does

29:23

make sense if there would be a male

29:25

artist occupying the space nazi

29:27

because it we haven't had as many those i

29:29

think phineas is trying to be one for but but

29:32

you know the aren't that many so easy interesting

29:34

case that's a really good way to planet i

29:37

think that is really good friend of the liberace

29:39

wonder produced by the same guy danny go

29:41

and i think they work so well together

29:43

on and these as these are his two babies

29:45

i would say olive yeah and khan and and they're

29:47

both a similar but also kind

29:49

of different and it's cool to see the differences

29:51

and i think i mean that female voice

29:53

and milk was incontinent cool to m

29:55

m before we go we should probably mention avril

29:58

of beans loves south's which is

29:59

a real comeback album is

30:02

kind of the in the twentieth

30:05

anniversary of her debut album

30:07

let go she kind of recaps

30:09

is a lot of what made people fall

30:11

in love with her in the first place and

30:14

is weirdly also ties in with the whole

30:16

thing that we keep talking about this machine

30:18

gun collie olivia rodrigo

30:21

revival of the kind of music that

30:23

avril have up your eyes in

30:25

the first place so a very well timed

30:28

album that a very welcome come back and

30:30

tomas thank you so much for joining

30:41

when you're smiling hey

30:43

you and me neither movie

30:45

probably springs probably

30:48

, crisp light and

30:50

refresh refresh and

30:52

it's perfect for any a kiss on

30:55

the like my voice in a low

30:58

calorie sweeteners all smiles

31:03

right

31:10

next up were switching gears

31:13

somewhat dramatically we're going to have corey

31:15

grow join me to talk about the very mental aspects

31:18

of this just concluded season

31:20

of stranger things from

31:22

metallic as master of puppets to the

31:24

very real metal related

31:26

satanic panic in the us in the eighties

31:28

that inspired a lot of the plot of the season

31:31

so

31:32

corey thanks so much for joining

31:34

me so

31:35

i didn't think i'd be talking about stranger things

31:37

again on the podcast for the same

31:40

season i thought running up that hill would be

31:42

it but here we have an

31:44

even more unlikely song

31:46

answering the actual top forty

31:49

because a stranger things and

31:51

it is of course metallic

31:53

as master of puppets

32:04

and

32:05

i mean that may have

32:07

been even better as far as the use

32:09

of music

32:10

this show i think that scene

32:13

where is it the character of etti months and

32:15

plays master of puppets to draw

32:17

the upside down bat creatures

32:20

away from his friends is

32:22

one of the greatest sort of six

32:25

know rock six so metal since i've ever seen

32:27

at an obvious and yeah i must have had of late

32:29

and so i knew metallica was gonna be in it and then

32:31

when i saw the build a ton of seems as if this has to

32:33

be the master puppet scene and it definitely

32:36

delivered for me at least so yeah the

32:38

way that they do that as i was brilliant there's

32:40

a couple things first what i don't think they showed

32:42

how he plugged in his amp in the upside know

32:45

my name is yet another way up so damn bit like out

32:47

in the wilderness in the upside to assist

32:49

, assist assist my name is

32:51

yet another way of saddam but like out in the wilderness

32:54

in the opposite outside some questions about that

32:56

i don't know how is summon seems hatfields voice of

32:58

voice substance what was i think

33:00

i was of thrones i think the dyads ethically

33:03

all they were hearing with his guitar and we were

33:05

here and me as a side he was just playing it you know

33:07

perfectly the other the other thing

33:09

someone pointed out is that i guess the album

33:11

had really only come out a couple weeks

33:14

two to three weeks before the

33:16

date that this took place so

33:18

he's a fast learner apparently he couldn't name

33:20

any had to learn by ear and any was a fugitive

33:23

during the times i guess he used his time as a

33:25

fugitive to learn master

33:27

of puppets by ear so very impressive so

33:29

very song and on came out in

33:31

march of eighty six and i know the time

33:33

frame of the tv show but it's also

33:35

like that was a really slow build as an album

33:38

with wasn't until they were on tour

33:40

with ozzy that sort of becomes underground

33:43

hit later in

33:45

the air sick apparent the it takes is

33:47

largely at the end of march know say

33:49

sex so yeah nasa is nasa he was he

33:51

was super tuned in to abandon

33:53

her desk released it's major label debut

33:56

desk released know if you were a metal head like him

33:58

it's not that and the guy he would be

34:00

on it but yeah fast learner good guitar

34:02

player a little over the world lost a lot

34:05

with the passing of elements and that

34:07

hey you know it's it's interesting and a couple of was a mean

34:10

you know i think that metal head

34:12

archetype hesser was

34:14

the word that used to be used as is

34:17

in of is so familiar to those of us

34:19

who grew up in the nineties in the eighties

34:21

and maybe totally alien to

34:24

the vast nz audience

34:26

and the he is in this one character now

34:28

represents all that for a whole generation

34:31

which is really interesting yeah i hadn't

34:33

really conservancy's others was because i grew

34:35

up for the to the latest aren't centers

34:37

and the and high tops jean jackets

34:40

back taxes like that amazing deal

34:42

bad patch that he had on the steam jacket

34:44

long hair and says that sort of a

34:46

be we can do attitude that was

34:48

certainly a type of person in

34:51

the in the late eighties and

34:53

and even into the nineties the they still survive

34:55

the nirvana both of them have to have a person

34:57

yeah usually very very good guys and often

35:00

misunderstood sometimes women as well and

35:02

end often into those very things in addition

35:04

to a metal dungeons and dragons

35:07

higher movies might read defend

35:09

korea which is back but it's a magazine

35:11

about hard special effects i was very big back

35:14

then so it was lovely to see that type of

35:16

person represent them represents a well

35:18

before we get into that and some of the satanic

35:20

panic real life stuff

35:22

that inspired the rest of the season to

35:25

that ties into the heavy metal theme as well

35:27

maybe just

35:28

back in to master of puppets

35:30

the album in the sauna you actually interview did

35:33

guys metallica just a few years ago about this

35:35

it really was especially that the

35:37

song it's also was just metallic at metallic certain

35:40

peak of their thrash metal early years

35:42

was nabbed yeah well

35:44

speaking about master pumps of the album

35:46

the master of puppets the album was almost a perfect

35:48

to diversion their previous

35:50

album which was ride the lightning slightly it it

35:53

is easier almost to talk about the first three metallica

35:55

albums really quickly on their first

35:57

album kill them all they invented thrash

35:59

and

35:59

this is really hard hitting

36:02

sas success as you can metal style

36:04

and then they came up

36:06

a year later with another album ride the lightning

36:09

and started doing melodic

36:11

guitar solos and has and ballad

36:13

on their called say to black

36:23

and all of the hashers immediately

36:26

called them sellouts and that said that they such

36:28

now and how can the how can they go from stressed

36:30

as as doing balance was obviously and hindsight

36:32

that album is a thrash masterpiece

36:35

spans they sort of built their legend

36:37

around that time and by the time

36:39

they were ready to do nineteen eighty sixes

36:42

a master puppets they had really just

36:44

dot a lot of momentum and they sorted repeated

36:46

a lot of things on mess republic that they had done

36:48

with ride the lightning be recorded

36:50

in the same studio in denmark a

36:53

structured it almost the same way both albums

36:56

have open with the sort of classical guitar

36:58

flourish thing in the go into like one of the heaviest

37:00

fast the songs on the record and

37:03

they kiss them simply sholom has sholom

37:05

has kickass instrumental and

37:07

so ryan on mister public

37:17

and the researchers just took what they had

37:19

been done in just found the third the the

37:21

profession and other such a strange but

37:23

as a religious refined everything

37:25

and mess your father's the song is

37:28

sort of the apotheosis

37:30

of everything that they were trying to do much in the

37:32

same way that lakers hell it must have the same way that

37:34

a good vibrations was the apotheosis of

37:36

the beach boys were brian wilson took every

37:39

single thing that he could think of that would make

37:41

breed beach was on a put it into good vibrations

37:50

like james hetfield lars

37:53

orrick kirk hammett and chris

37:55

burton did that with the song master

37:57

of puppets and i sit at the time

37:59

master the song was sort

38:01

of almost use for gay was reading

38:04

other cool kickass sunk as i can be wasn't a lyrics

38:06

are about drug addiction and sort of just making

38:08

fun of people who yeah chopped

38:10

their breakfast on the mirror to is on the lyrics

38:12

and that they

38:14

refined then again to me that it is is

38:16

sort of funny that this became the that the biggest hit

38:19

from that album because it is so so very specific

38:21

song that has ended decades and a

38:23

weird way was and cool to have i feel like

38:25

it's one of the songs word games have forwarded

38:27

about drug abuse or cocaine abuse or whatever

38:30

was and and and everyone who

38:32

ever heard the song decided to ignore that

38:34

and men mentally make it about something

38:36

cooler at or know what exactly what a late

38:39

at night blink link to link politicians controls

38:41

right on the ground strokes man

38:44

has eroded of us roommate right

38:46

ever like ever like care it's not about that first

38:48

even though the layers cannot be clear yet

38:50

but and it's also you know as you burn

38:52

your story like near the always love rice

38:54

and even tried to get getty leader reproduces

38:57

album for rights which is amazing and

38:59

the bit when it goes into the south park and

39:01

then rises actually reminds me of russia's jacob's

39:04

ladder specifically

39:14

there is that did that prague aspect

39:16

of of metallica coming through other

39:18

you don't i don't think they get to that part in the stranger

39:20

things version cause we will have time to

39:23

for for acoustics at that point he didn't

39:25

bring an acoustic guitar out to the out

39:27

to the to declare for whoever where he's battling the

39:29

bad so that's okay that's not a good points

39:31

or transmittal in general is very progressive

39:33

as they just taxi service on each other

39:35

and like later on and intelligence or to simplify

39:38

and of sounds as it were was sucking on his wrist

39:40

and as he consistently chemo that whole proxy

39:42

and a hidden thought about that so

39:44

explicitly before but it's just you know the

39:46

power of it feels undiminished

39:49

indeed you know it has an impact because

39:51

the argument on tic tac is ever gens

39:53

the metal fans already existed

39:55

in there certainly are so there's a sort of back and forth

39:57

about whether it's gate keeping

40:00

to be mad at the new fans

40:02

and metallica is getting because it is early

40:04

says song is getting and mattel for themselves

40:07

have welcome their new fans

40:09

so it is deathly having an impact in that you know

40:11

that they'll be at least one band and a few

40:13

years and and indo ass or or to

40:15

story and will be at this moment a stranger things

40:17

have really no doubt of that and up

40:19

so and be amazing but the

40:21

thing that's funny is keepers is

40:23

pretty reclusive but even see kind of made

40:26

a few statements did an interview and responses

40:28

consist hard assists such a big the

40:31

thing and metallic go have

40:33

been just really all over

40:35

this is aiming to the point of see me slightly

40:37

thursday in the him just been all

40:40

over this jumping on their tic tac

40:42

are inviting you're doing with the scene

40:44

they seemed just over the moon about this yeah

40:47

and it in a weird way i view it as

40:49

a kid or something for them to celebrate because i think

40:51

they knew they had something said that and nineteen eighty

40:53

six and like all metallic offense recognize

40:55

it as as classic by

40:57

it's greatness some some weird ways

40:59

has been usurped by some other more commercial

41:02

hits lake lake lake era stamina said

41:04

the truce i think in a weird way they're probably just celebrating

41:06

the sacks of this masterpiece is finally

41:08

getting pop culture recognition

41:10

which to seemed impossible i'm in i'm sure they didn't

41:12

even want pop culture recognition in nineteen eighty six

41:15

i'm sure they didn't want to be kate bush which had an actual

41:17

a hit list running have that element

41:19

in eighty five they didn't want that but i

41:21

think now you know i think

41:23

that they are able to the media enjoy it

41:25

the little bit more immediate of course they're gonna be

41:27

all over the know how to appreciate a good moment

41:30

there were near for that it's like the something in

41:32

the way by nirvana is now the bam

41:34

and song not as your puppets

41:36

another stranger things i've hit whatever takes

41:38

you know i think as gets up for this is

41:40

offer the good it's own music i like

41:42

i can complaint yeah absolutely to it is

41:44

very cool i'm in ios even dnc that

41:46

the people who call it the stranger

41:49

think song immediately get shit

41:51

on by other kids the same age who are low more

41:53

savvy that it's not like the ignorance is encouraged

41:55

actually that you know in fact if anything

41:57

it's you know stunning numbers of seventy

42:00

your of claiming to have been lifelong metallica fans

42:02

are emerging so they can bad back the ones

42:04

who are who but the other aspect

42:06

that i think axes under discussed

42:08

about this season is that

42:10

in a pretty clever way the

42:13

whole season is sort

42:15

of a twist on something that was happening in real

42:17

life i mean the whole thing whereas the character

42:20

many months and gets falsely

42:22

blamed for these murders

42:24

is a real twist and the fact

42:26

that he's here the the dungeons dragons dungeon

42:28

master all that it's real to listen

42:30

and a real life satanic

42:32

panic that really took over this country

42:35

in the eighties and there's a lot

42:37

of aspects to a book one of them

42:39

was certainly associating heavy metal

42:41

with satan i think the most extreme

42:44

version of this was the last that blame

42:47

judas priest's for an attempted

42:49

suicide because accusing them

42:51

of of having messages encouraging

42:53

green a sort of satanic suicide or whatever

42:56

in their music backwards and this actually

42:58

went to court back said defenders

43:00

that area got they were them they were

43:02

the defenders of the safeties their own turn

43:05

from nasa the satanic tennis an interesting

43:07

phenomenon is judas priest for the descendants

43:09

of the safe as a rolling stone

43:11

called them since nineteen ninety when they were

43:13

in there with the not putting off the fact that industries

43:16

had an album called the centers of the faith but

43:18

satanic panic as a pretty wild

43:20

saying in retrospect i think that it was

43:22

a symptom of wave of conservatism

43:25

the surgeons in the seventies and other there were accusations

43:28

of back masking on led zeppelin

43:30

records like a sinker stairway to heaven

43:32

that was there's supposedly back atmosphere

43:35

that ronald reagan achieved his read wave

43:37

across america as exit there was a

43:39

strong rooting and conservatism

43:42

and is angelica listen and christianity

43:45

that sort of took over the idea of

43:47

the satanic panic thing was that there were

43:50

you know metal album specifically

43:52

mission judas priest that celebrated

43:54

darkness and there was also role

43:57

playing games like dungeons and dragons for the

43:59

the ban some some

43:59

we're celebrating and singing about things

44:02

in queens and steal your dreams and

44:05

i didn't sit well with christianity

44:07

that somebody might be meeting sort of a horror

44:09

movie out of music and so

44:12

the somewhere along the line

44:14

in the early eighties couple were concocting these stories

44:16

about colts and satanic worship

44:19

in children being sacrificed and

44:21

devil worshippers and that really

44:23

demonized you know to to

44:25

put off that heavy metal music and role

44:27

playing games and that was it is a weird thing

44:29

i remember the little that even and than says the

44:32

the nineties as a teenager dungeons

44:34

and dragons was still something still in in

44:36

colorado the the people talked about

44:38

in lego you don't want to playing lab mm

44:40

for my mom would he have in the late eighties and even

44:43

early nineties was like oh korea on she playing with

44:45

that in it's a weird thing as it was in the news

44:47

everywhere in discipline thing is really interesting

44:49

because it wasn't until late eighty one

44:51

that the reverse thing picked

44:53

up speed there is some preacher who specifically

44:56

said it was eighty one eighty two were a preacher

44:58

said that if you know as as we

45:01

well know if he said that if you play

45:03

backwards it said the here's to my sweet satan

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and i'm convinced that this was the

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best thing that ever happened the led zeppelin after

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the seventies because this is because it made

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them so relevant even into the eighties

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it be they made them sort of beats the fathers

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of the satanic panic and so does

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may be like old guys who you are

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robert plant was like on mtv making some

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truly corny songs and yet his legacy

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was still dislike you know this

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terrifying a satanic bands there

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was the aussie stuff and it's also funny once

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we once the world actually got to go

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know ozzy especially at in in the mtv

45:44

in the reality show of it's so funny the people

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were so scared of him but they were

45:48

yeah well as he was fighting the heads of bats

45:51

and doves and urinating on the alamo and

45:53

that some time in there there was two

45:55

kids this were listening to his first

45:57

album and they created

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the inaccurately allegedly created a murder

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suicide pact and one of

46:04

them survived and blamed ozzy

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in the song suicide solutions

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i'm like you just pre that

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case was thrown out a car and a judas present

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a good car

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the other extreme anti drinking song for ratings

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up with solutions upon which is even funnier

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right right resident gear you're going to kill yourself

46:30

with setting to basis roots are known as a jam and

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as he would stop drinking as a yes

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my sentencing of a backlash is i think it was rob

46:36

how servers or somebody like that some judas

46:38

priest of the to during their trial this denotes

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for going to backward masking if we're going for messages

46:43

on our albums were gonna talk sense by more of our

46:45

albums pie forces freestyle votes

46:47

for not going to tell them to kill him for us we want more

46:49

fans we want more

46:51

the record sold i think there was that steamer

46:53

was the entire is bracing for the movie josie in

46:55

the pussy cats may be there you go hey guess

46:57

what you know it was cool to see all that

46:59

embodied in stranger things and

47:02

there's gotta be like a lot of eighties artist

47:04

praying that next season is there moment

47:06

you know the reasons to watching that season

47:09

lead they get six and the final episode closed

47:11

a believe of susie soon into some others

47:13

consuelo miss rice is a sunni

47:15

the research the brain is weirdly is you know

47:18

what what it takes for it to hooked

47:20

into the colts her because it were

47:22

there is a bunch of other songs there

47:24

was the past the duchy and the other things

47:26

yeah but what it takes is it has to be

47:29

embedded in the plot like those two songs

47:31

rak like burning abyss that's what seems it it's

47:33

him into this also i mean you know in

47:35

the new thor movie there is huge

47:38

use of guns roses and

47:40

yes have had zero impact i

47:42

expected more but it i think it's because it wasn't

47:45

it would be as cool as it may

47:47

have been some be work soon think it was cause a boob

47:49

thought it was like too obvious i said i gotta

47:51

score but it it

47:53

wasn't it was essentially

47:56

in the end his background music in that isn't going

47:58

to hit people the same way this

48:00

is the magic of the music in a way

48:02

like the magic of kate bush is what protects

48:04

maxine and the magic

48:06

a master of puppets is what what saves

48:09

them and and attracts the bat the baths

48:11

i wanna rock answers to metallic

48:13

out with a sounds pretty mellow and you say it

48:15

out loud is is the magic of

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it as i think is that that and especially in a

48:19

show and strangest things redo had this the

48:21

dedicated fan base which he was it was thorough

48:24

said have to but i think it's the magic

48:26

of it said that translates room yeah

48:28

we'll see this music is in action and

48:30

i was just like that seem to to wrap

48:32

up with dismantle assists so fucking metals

48:35

just metal as far as yet when they prove you know

48:37

and dustin the same there really were when when eddie and

48:39

dusters i yeah we did have the most mental cancer

48:41

never used to be the woods to meddle in and

48:43

a d i roll my eyes when i see it on tv

48:45

show unjustly come on like as the in

48:47

i can do this and then link they delivered on

48:49

it and it can't think of many

48:51

other things that actually deliver on something

48:54

like that without being too corny even says

48:56

same episode where people are being strangled

48:58

for i swear to god like twenty minutes straight without

49:00

dying sleds zora slow

49:02

motion straggling whatever i say if master

49:04

puppet is playing you overlook it all at i do

49:07

really wanted a high plugin that amp i'm sorry

49:09

and and internet makes everything about of as as

49:11

as he sang a b c would now be serious warlock

49:13

witch is the slayer guitar that have given

49:15

the was anybody's fault called them out on their heads

49:18

at the that's funny too i guess they

49:20

just picked the most metal guitar it

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under my my wonderful book or thank

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you very much for joining me appreciate

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