What is it about lyrical, beautiful descriptions about the horrifying that makes you both lose your breath and lose your sleep? We discuss the ocean, fear, horror, and how we need families to manage it all, with Jordan Cobb, creator of Primordial Deep.

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This episode of Radio Drama Revival was recorded in the unceded territory of the Kalapuya people, the Clatskanie Indian Tribe, the Cowlitz Indian Tribe, and the Atfalati tribe. Colonizers named this place Beaverton, Oregon.