0:00

It's a psychological interview that you're

0:02

doing. You're sort of being my psychiatrist. I've

0:04

watched your show a lot over the years. People

0:06

break down, oh, they start crying in the show.

0:08

I said, that's never happening to me. There's

0:11

an addiction to revenge. Nobody would fault you.

0:13

You'd say, it ends here, it ends with

0:15

me. What do you say

0:17

to yourself when the crowds aren't cheering? What

0:19

is the hardest, darkest moment? I

0:23

don't think I've ever said this on air before. Last

0:26

week, 12 jurors deliberated for

0:29

two days and rendered a verdict finding

0:31

Donald Trump guilty on all 34

0:33

charges of falsifying business records, leading

0:37

to an unprecedented felony conviction of

0:39

not only a former president, but

0:41

also the front-runner nominee for the

0:43

Republican Party. Donald Trump has

0:45

professed his innocence and defiantly outside the

0:47

courtroom called the election, and he has

0:49

been the first to have a full-time

0:52

election. He has been the first to

0:54

have a full-time election of his innocence

0:56

and defiantly outside the courtroom called the

0:58

trial a disgrace, rigged

1:00

and claimed the real verdict will happen when

1:03

the presidential votes are counted on November

1:06

5th. I traveled to Mar-a-Lago to sit

1:08

down one-on-one with President Trump

1:10

for an unfiltered, no-holds-barred

1:13

interview. And I promise you, no

1:16

topic was off limits. But I

1:18

don't endorse candidates, and I don't

1:20

denying the the

2:00

prosecutorial misconduct and prosecutorial

2:02

abuse. You know, it was interesting when you called

2:04

the other day about doing an interview, a lot

2:06

of people want to do interviews and I don't

2:08

just agree to them very easily, but I've always

2:10

had great respect for you. I watch your show,

2:12

some of the real

2:15

good ones and some of the less intellectual

2:17

ones and that's okay too. But

2:19

it's always been, you've always been very special and

2:21

I knew that you were in

2:24

some form very much involved with

2:26

trials and I found it to be very

2:28

interesting that you would take this

2:30

up. It's a very important thing. Well, I wanted

2:33

to and I know that there

2:35

was some news coming out of Georgia

2:37

today, there was some news coming out

2:39

of Florida today, that they're stepping back

2:41

from this and. Very good news. I

2:43

called for the other day and I

2:45

don't know if you saw it but

2:47

on Merritt Street Media where I now

2:49

do my show, I

2:51

called for President Biden

2:53

to stop all of this now and of

2:56

course a lot of people said, oh he

2:58

can't stop it, it's a state case. Well,

3:01

okay, that's an explanation for stupid people

3:03

but for people that understand how this

3:05

works behind the scenes and all, I

3:08

say the same thing. They need to

3:10

stop this, they need to stop pursuing

3:12

you. Since you started your

3:14

campaign in 2015 to run for office, there

3:18

have been so many attempts

3:21

to get you off the board even

3:23

before you started your campaign. Then once

3:26

you were in office, two impeachment opportunities,

3:28

they changed the rules and tried to

3:30

make it high crimes and misdemeanors and

3:32

there were business conflicts and in this

3:34

case, in this case. Never ends. It

3:36

seems to be never ending and that

3:39

is a distraction to you and

3:42

I really

3:44

wonder how that affects you. What

3:46

do you say to yourself about that because it

3:49

seems to never be ending? It's

3:51

a never ending thing. There's a

3:53

term that I know you've heard many times, it's

3:55

called Trump Derangement Syndrome and nobody's ever seen anything

3:57

like it. In

4:00

one way, we drive them totally crazy because

4:02

we're doing the right thing. You wonder why

4:04

would somebody want to have open borders where

4:06

people are coming in from jails, prisons, where

4:09

they're coming in from mental institutions, and as

4:11

you know better than anyone else, they're coming

4:13

in, they're releasing the people all over the

4:15

world, not just South America, from mental institutions

4:17

and jails and prisons and they're

4:20

terrorists coming in by the thousands. They're

4:22

pouring into our country. And who would

4:25

allow this? You know, it's common sense. Not

4:27

a conservative thing. If they

4:29

would devote that same skill and talent to

4:31

making America great again, it would really be

4:33

a wonderful thing. But in the

4:35

meantime, we're beating them. You know, you mentioned I

4:38

got impeached twice and I won twice very easily,

4:40

very quickly. We had great support from the Republican

4:42

Party. I have all these cases

4:44

all my life I didn't have any problem. And

4:46

all of a sudden, within a matter of months,

4:48

I end up with four cases. Now, of course,

4:50

it's from the White House and the Department of

4:52

Justice. They totally control the

4:54

state case. In fact, I'm

4:56

not allowed to even be talking about certain aspects

4:58

of it because I have a gag order. Think

5:01

of it. I'm the Republican nominee. I

5:04

was the president and I'm leading the

5:06

current Democrat by a lot. And

5:08

I have a gag order from a local judge

5:10

that was appointed by the Democrat Party. A

5:14

local judge, he's a local person, and

5:16

he is appointed. And he put a gag order

5:18

in me. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. While

5:20

you're campaigning, you have a gag order. Like you

5:22

just mentioned a question that I'm not allowed to

5:25

talk about. Right. Can you imagine? I'm the Republican

5:27

nominee and I'm not allowed to talk because a

5:29

local judge from New York

5:31

appointed by Democrats said,

5:33

I can't talk about it. It's

5:35

so unfair. And then he gives a jury

5:38

charge. Nobody's ever heard of

5:40

a charge like this. He gave instructions to the

5:42

jury. And by the way,

5:44

the jury happened to be in a location that

5:46

was almost no Republicans. You understand that. Yeah. It

5:49

was 87-13 in the last two elections, Republican. I

5:51

know you can't talk about it. I'm not under

5:53

a gag order. I do know that the number

5:56

three person in the Department of Justice took

5:58

a pay cut and down in

6:01

stature to go to a state job

6:03

and become one of the lead prosecutors

6:05

in this case. But

6:07

yet they say, hey, Dr. Phil, why

6:09

are you saying that President Biden needs

6:12

to stop all of this? It's

6:14

a state case. That's exactly why I'm saying

6:16

it. Don't be naive people understand that there's

6:18

a power play going on. It's controlled by

6:20

the White House and the DOJ. Gerard

6:23

Baker wrote in Wall Street Journal today, and

6:25

I'm paraphrasing, but he said, what

6:28

do we say to those people that are

6:30

rejoicing over reducing law to the status of

6:33

a weapon in the hands of the dominant

6:35

political power? Because that's what's happening right now.

6:37

It's become a weapon. And that's not what

6:39

it's intended for. That's not what we need

6:42

to be doing. I mean, let's let the

6:44

people decide these, right? That's right. That

6:46

was a very good statement in the Wall Street Journal.

6:48

I read that this morning. And it's

6:51

so true. I mean, it's so accurate. They've

6:54

weaponized to a level they are

6:56

trying to affect the election by

6:58

demeaning, hurting in any form. And

7:00

by the way, I think after the election, they'll

7:02

still the hatred is great enough that they'll go, but with

7:05

much less enthusiasm. This is about November

7:08

5th, which I think is going to be the most important

7:10

day in the history of our country. If

7:12

we don't turn this around, we're not going to have

7:14

a country left anymore. Well, we're

7:17

a country of laws, right? I mean, and that's

7:19

what's made us so orderly. That's

7:21

what's allowed us to progress forward.

7:23

And there's something that are called

7:25

Hornbook laws or black letter law

7:28

that is just these things

7:30

are just been around so long. And

7:32

these were violated in your case, one

7:35

right after the other. For example,

7:37

you don't let someone that has

7:39

been charged in

7:41

the same case as

7:44

someone else, and they made a plea deal

7:46

and said, okay, I'm guilty of doing

7:48

this because they were intimidated into doing it.

7:50

The law you're in your case, we don't

7:52

even need to speak his name. He

7:54

bartered around out from under 65 years looking

7:57

at 65 years of imprisonment

8:00

down to three years and two years

8:02

on this case and a tax case.

8:04

So it went from 65 years down

8:06

to five years

8:09

in exchange for giving them

8:11

testimony against you. That's not

8:13

supposed to come in, but

8:15

it did. Pekka making

8:18

a deal, a non-prosecution agreement. That's not

8:20

supposed to come in, but it did.

8:22

That got into the jury box. They

8:24

got to hear all of that and

8:26

so they say, well you know if

8:28

we're not down here for the reasons

8:30

they're saying, then we need an

8:32

alternative explanation, which they're

8:35

not allowed to get because

8:38

your expert witness that was going to come in

8:40

and say as a former chairman

8:42

of the election commission was going to

8:44

say this was looked at. There's no

8:46

issues here. They didn't allow that person

8:48

to talk, to testify. And

8:51

I'm looking at this saying, how is the jury

8:53

supposed to solve this problem if they don't have

8:55

all the pieces to the puzzle? They wouldn't listen

8:57

to them. They wouldn't talk to them. They didn't

8:59

want to hear his testimony. They knew what he was going to say.

9:01

He was going to say it was 100 percent.

9:04

And very importantly, when they tell somebody,

9:07

you're going to jail for 15 years

9:10

unless you say bad things about this guy named

9:12

Trump. Okay? Now, in

9:15

all fairness, we know a lot of great people, but

9:17

you don't know too many that would

9:19

say, I'm not going to do what they

9:21

want. He goes up to somebody and

9:24

they say, Dr. Phil, you're going to jail

9:26

for 15 years unless you say bad things

9:28

about Trump. And if you say the

9:30

bad things, you're not going to jail at all. In fact, we're going

9:32

to make you a hero or you're going to go

9:34

for three months or you're going to go for a short period of

9:36

time. How many people

9:38

are there that say, you

9:41

know, I'm not going to do that. There

9:45

have been people. Yeah, that's right. Those are,

9:47

in my opinion, these are great people. What

9:50

they've done to people that work for me

9:52

is incredible, incredible. The

9:55

threats, the taking of

9:57

a gentleman who's been with me for years.

10:00

been telling me he's going to jail for 15 years

10:02

unless they say, and he

10:05

went back to jail a second time. I

10:08

guess they didn't want him to testify. I

10:10

don't know what happened exactly, but the

10:12

threats that they made to this man, they've destroyed

10:14

his life. These are fascists. You know, these

10:16

are really bad people, Phil. But

10:19

who's going to do it? You go into jail for 15

10:22

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10:24

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And that's intimidation, and some

11:34

of these people, you look at

11:36

their age, you look at their health, and

11:39

for some of it, it could be a death sentence. And

11:41

so they make a deal, and that's

11:44

what I talk about, that's what I mean when

11:46

I say prosecutorial abuse. Did

11:48

anyone ever approach you and

11:51

try to get you to make a deal, drop out

11:53

of the race, make

11:55

a deal here, we'll leave you alone? No,

11:58

they didn't, but I believe they would. If

12:00

they, if I would have offered

12:02

that up, I don't think, I think they

12:04

know me well enough. I think I really

12:06

do. But oh, if I didn't

12:08

run, as an example, I would

12:10

have never had any of these lawsuits. How

12:14

about I get prosecuted on a

12:16

person that I have no idea who she is. I

12:18

have no idea who she is. I have to pay

12:20

$91 million. And

12:22

that judge was just as bad, just

12:24

as corrupt, a corrupt judge. I have to

12:27

pay $91 million to

12:29

a woman. I have no idea who she is.

12:31

She wrote a book and she made a statement in the

12:33

book. And you know that

12:35

case. That case is a disaster. And

12:38

then you, but I have no idea who she

12:40

is. And they

12:42

said I did things. These people

12:45

are corrupt and in some cases

12:47

incompetent. But it's

12:49

such an honor to have somebody

12:51

like you see it and see it so clearly. And

12:53

I knew that, I mean I remember that years ago

12:55

you were helping Oprah out and she was sued and

12:58

it was having a big impact on her. Mad calculation.

13:00

And I thought it was great. And you know Oprah

13:02

used to really like me. She was here many times.

13:05

She loved my key lime pie. We have key lime

13:07

pie and she loved a lot of things about Mar-a-Lago.

13:10

And Roger King as you know. We were here for

13:12

the funeral for Roger King. Correct. Long

13:14

time ago. I said

13:16

maybe we can do a new business here. We'll

13:19

do operate as a funeral parlor. But

13:21

it was one of the most beautiful funerals

13:23

in the ballroom behind us. And

13:26

he was a great guy. And Oprah is

13:28

terrific. But once I announced I was

13:30

running and I said we have to have strong borders, we

13:32

have to have this, we have to have

13:34

that. We've sort of lost contact as the expression

13:36

goes. But I remember when you were very much

13:39

involved in helping Oprah. Well that's what I'm saying.

13:41

It's been time and time again. And

13:43

that was another black letter long that you just

13:45

don't do. The judge tells

13:47

you, okay you can testify but I'm going

13:50

to allow them to ask you about this

13:54

person that you now owe $91 million.

13:57

I'm going to allow them to ask you about

13:59

this other case. I'm gonna allow them to ask

14:01

you about 10 contempt citations

14:03

that I've given you. I'm gonna allow them to

14:05

ask about all that stuff. What does any of

14:08

that have to do with

14:10

the matters it has? And the answer is

14:12

zero. That gets into the jury box if

14:14

you take the witness stand. Again,

14:16

that is black, lateral, or

14:19

you can't let in unrelated

14:21

things that have more prejudicial

14:24

impact than probative nature. That

14:27

just doesn't happen, but it happened. One,

14:29

two, three things right in a row. And

14:31

that gets into the jury box. If you testify,

14:33

they'll be able to ask you about all these

14:35

different things. And by the way,

14:38

if you say one thing that's, if

14:41

you say it was a beautiful day, as I remember

14:43

it, and it was raining out, we're

14:45

gonna indict you for perjury. Yeah,

14:48

yeah. And I'll tell you what, I have a lot of

14:50

lawyers that are friends and this and that. I

14:53

had probably 25 guys over the course of a

14:55

couple of months say, whatever you

14:57

do, don't testify. Because you'll

14:59

say something that's a little bit off, and

15:01

you will be indicted for lying, for perjury.

15:04

These are evil people. These are

15:06

sick, evil people. I

15:09

would have thrown myself in front of your car to

15:11

keep you from testifying. No, no, I wanted to so

15:13

badly. And by the way, I would have loved to

15:15

have testified about those things because it

15:17

was so corrupt and so horrible, but he

15:19

wouldn't have allowed me to answer the questions

15:21

properly. And so

15:23

I would have loved to have testified.

15:25

I wanted to, I'm telling you, they

15:27

had to hold me back. But

15:31

every lawyer that came, they'd always start to

15:33

say, by the way, I'm afraid of yours, don't testify. And

15:36

they saw what he was doing. You

15:38

can all, they can ask you about anything. They

15:40

can do nothing to do with

15:43

his case. All of these outside things. And

15:46

it was really an unfair trial. There's

15:48

a very brilliant judge in Florida that's holding

15:51

the government. It looks like, I mean,

15:53

she's looking into what happened. Because you

15:55

know, they raided Mar-a-Lago. And they

15:57

took stuff out by the satchel.

15:59

They took bags and bags and

16:01

stuff. And I said,

16:04

what are they taking? Are they saying what they're taking?

16:06

Because they can add things. They can

16:08

add the nuclear codes in there. They say, hey, he

16:10

had the nuclear codes. And this

16:13

was all stuff that under the Presidential Records

16:16

Act I'm allowed to do. By the way,

16:18

Biden was totally exonerated. Now, I'm not sure

16:20

I want that kind of an exoneration. They

16:22

basically said he's incompetent to stand trial, but

16:25

he could be president. Think of that. He's

16:29

not sharp enough. He's got no memory, got to know this,

16:31

got to know that. He's

16:33

incompetent. Basically, they're saying he

16:36

can't stand trial due

16:38

to incompetence, but he can

16:40

run for president. What's going on? What

16:43

are we missing here? It makes

16:45

everybody uncomfortable about that state of affairs.

16:47

And what I was concerned about with

16:49

everything that happened in this New York

16:51

trial is one of

16:53

the big myths is that the burden of

16:56

proof lies with the prosecution. That

16:58

is the law. But I can tell

17:00

you after years and years and years of

17:02

trial, the truth

17:04

is that the jury sits there and

17:06

says, hmm, I'm looking at

17:08

all this and if we're not down here for

17:11

the reason they say we're down here, somebody

17:13

needs to give me an alternative explanation of

17:15

why we are down here. So if we're

17:17

not down here because of what the prosecutors

17:20

are telling us, then what's

17:22

the alternative story? What's the alternative explanation?

17:25

And when you get muzzled in

17:27

the way that this judge muzzled

17:29

this case, they're sitting there

17:31

saying what's the rest of the

17:34

story? You're not allowed to testify

17:36

because you're in jeopardy if you do. They

17:39

let all of this other stuff in and should never

17:41

get into the jury box. And

17:43

so the scales

17:45

get tipped and it gets

17:47

very, very difficult to get even one

17:49

juror because there's not

17:51

an alternative story that if you could tell

17:54

without being in peril, if you can tell

17:56

without being intimidated, it would be a very

17:58

different situation. The burden

18:00

legally is on the prosecution. But

18:04

logically with the jury. You're guilty of your

18:06

proven innocence. That's exactly the truth. I can

18:08

tell you, that's the truth with me. That's

18:10

how it plays out. And I did

18:13

a focus group about this when I

18:16

did a show on this on Merritt

18:18

Street. And I had

18:20

250 people in, did a focus group. And

18:23

I said, and overwhelmingly,

18:25

the people were in your favor. But

18:28

I found those that had questions. And I

18:30

said, what is your question? They said, where

18:32

there's smoke, there's fire. I didn't hear the

18:34

other part of it. I'm sitting here, and

18:36

you've asked me indirectly a couple of questions.

18:38

They're so simple to answer. I'd love to.

18:41

And yet if I do, this guy's going to, he's

18:43

willing to throw you in jail. OK, this is an

18:46

appointed judge acting. He's an acting

18:48

judge appointed. And he's willing

18:50

to throw you, and he's so conflicted. It's

18:52

so sad. But you know, you

18:56

do things for your country. I

18:58

think if my country weren't involved, because

19:01

people say, the two questions, I get

19:03

these questions from very tough guys like

19:05

you. The biggest guys on

19:08

Wall Street, the people that you read about,

19:10

you know, but they're tough men and

19:12

women. But I have the question asked often is,

19:14

number one, number one question I

19:17

get, how do you stand it? How do you do it? How do

19:19

you get up in the morning and put your clothing on and go

19:21

to work? I do get that, because people don't

19:23

envy it. And the other one I get

19:25

is, will they do it again? Meaning, will they cheat? Will

19:28

they do it again? Will it happen again? Well,

19:30

I have a different question than that

19:32

how question. My

19:34

question is why. I

19:37

understand how. I know you got a thick skin.

19:39

You're not one of those people that's afflicted with

19:41

the need to be loved by strangers. I get

19:43

that. I think that's true. My question is not

19:46

how do you do it. My question is, why

19:48

do you do it? Why do

19:50

you say, let's face it, I mean,

19:52

you're a billionaire. You got a great

19:54

family. You're a very dedicated father. People

19:56

may not see this in you a lot, because you

19:59

keep that kind of problem. private, but

20:01

my question to you is

20:03

why do you subject yourself to this?

20:06

So there's a movement in this

20:08

country, it's called MAGA, and

20:10

Biden's always fighting it. We will stop MAGA. MAGA

20:13

is Make America Great Again. And

20:17

we were doing, you know, I had an

20:19

administration that was a tremendous success, even enemies.

20:22

We had the greatest economy in history, we had the

20:24

best job numbers in history. That's why I'm doing so

20:26

well with the black and Hispanic vote. They had the

20:28

best job numbers they've ever had.

20:31

We were doing things that were incredible.

20:35

And I was going through Russia, Russia, Russia hooks, I was

20:37

going through the impeachment stuff, you know, all of that. And

20:40

you know, in one way, I jokingly said, somebody said,

20:42

can you imagine what he could have done? Because

20:45

I had one of the most successful presidencies. And

20:47

yet I was constantly fighting off the radical

20:49

left lunatics. They are deranged.

20:53

They are. It's like a derangement syndrome.

20:55

But I actually said, you know, maybe

20:58

in some ways they did better because I

21:00

showed something. But maybe if I

21:02

had too much time on my hands, it would have

21:05

gone too far. And the administration wouldn't have been as

21:07

successful as it was. When you

21:09

look at our job numbers, I rebuilt the

21:11

military largest tax cuts ever, largest tax cuts,

21:13

bigger than the Reagan tax cuts, but higher

21:16

than the regulation cuts ever. I'm staying with

21:18

my question because look at this, everybody

21:20

calls it inflation, but affordability. When

21:23

you talk about gasoline under

21:25

your administration, average $257 a

21:27

gallon, under Biden, $361, 40

21:31

percent more. Under your

21:33

administration, homes, average $320,000. Under

21:37

the Biden administration, 31 percent more, $420,000. Under

21:41

your administration, interest rates, 3.8 average. Under

21:45

the Biden administration, 39 percent more, at 5.3 percent. Okay?

21:49

Now, let's look at the border. Under

21:53

you, average 1.7 million

21:55

border crossings. Their official

21:57

number is 6.4. That's

21:59

from Homeland Security. It's actually about 13 million

22:01

because I know I've been to the border.

22:03

I've talked to the border guards down there

22:05

Brandon Judd. I've talked to Jason

22:08

Jones. I've talked to the people that actually know the

22:10

numbers. They say it's between 10 and 13 million So

22:14

my point is when you look at

22:16

the actual numbers plus the things you

22:18

just talked about lower taxes higher tax

22:20

revenue You look at that

22:22

and you would say my god. He should be running

22:25

unopposed. I mean why? Well

22:27

these numbers just I appreciate it, but and

22:29

these numbers are really I don't know very

22:32

Conserve as an example I had gasoline down

22:34

to a dollar eighty seven not two fifty

22:36

seven. It's now almost at four dollars It's

22:38

going to be at five dollars very sure

22:40

it's going way up I took very conservative

22:42

numbers so people couldn't interest rates I was

22:44

at two point six percent they have three

22:46

point eight and now they're at

22:48

nine percent ten percent You can't get money,

22:51

so you know We

22:53

did a great job. We did a great. Okay,

22:55

so here's the question Most

22:57

people look at this from the standpoint of

22:59

they ask themselves a question is

23:02

my life better Under this

23:04

administration, or is it better under this mistake

23:06

my quality of life my ability to pay

23:08

for my children's lunches tennis shoes getting them

23:10

to the dentist getting all of the different

23:13

things that go to quality of life and

23:16

when we look at that It's

23:19

not even a close call So

23:21

why are people so energized? Against

23:25

president Donald J. Trump well

23:27

I think it's to

23:30

a certain extent its habit not necessarily against

23:32

me I think Democrats vote

23:34

out of habit I'll give you an example.

23:36

I was the best president for Israel ever

23:40

Golan Heights all of

23:42

the things I did for Israel and

23:44

yet I get less than fifty percent of

23:46

the votes it's shocking to me and Biden's

23:49

a disaster and Obama was a disaster

23:51

for Israel with the Iran nuclear deal

23:53

that he approved all the you know

23:55

Which was basically a path toward nuclear

23:57

weapons, and I say why and I

23:59

say habit. They're used

24:01

to voting for Democrats. Black

24:04

people are used to voting for Democrats,

24:06

but they're coming off it. They're smart.

24:08

They're seeing what's happened. They're seeing criminal

24:10

justice reform. They're seeing the black colleges

24:12

and universities. I got it funded. They're

24:14

seeing all of the things that I've

24:16

done. Nobody could do

24:18

what I did. I say that and

24:20

people sometimes smile, but it's

24:22

actually true. I'm the best president for

24:24

black people since Abraham Lincoln.

24:27

Black people are seeing that, and

24:30

we have numbers now that

24:32

as a Republican, I don't think anybody's ever had.

24:35

I hope they come out and vote for me. I was just

24:37

in Jerusalem and interviewed

24:39

Prime Minister Netanyahu. He

24:42

said that the Abraham

24:44

Accords, which you

24:47

achieved, he

24:50

said he didn't

24:52

have the words to describe

24:54

what it presented for Israel in

24:57

terms of security, in terms of the

24:59

ability to bring about peace

25:02

and stability to that region. That's very nice,

25:04

by the way, that you say that. By

25:06

the way, great for the

25:09

Arab community also. Of course. It was great

25:11

for both, and they're working so well. The

25:13

only problem is we had four countries signed,

25:15

real leaders. I would

25:17

have had everybody signed up. I would have had

25:19

Iran signed up. People laugh when I say that. Iran

25:22

was broke. I said, anybody

25:24

buys from Iran, you can't do business with the

25:26

US. Iran was broke. They

25:29

were down to almost no money. They had

25:31

no money to fund Hamas or Hezbollah. They

25:33

had no money. They were broke.

25:35

They would have made a deal within a week

25:38

after the election. That result was very

25:40

dangerous for our country. We

25:44

did great things, and I think that's what people

25:46

see. People want to go back to where we

25:48

were. You had

25:50

high-level appointee positions that you

25:52

didn't fill, and thousands

25:55

more mid-level positions that you

25:58

didn't fill. And

26:00

generated over $4 trillion

26:03

in tax revenue for the first time ever. With

26:07

tax cuts, lower tax rates, higher

26:09

tax revenues. It brought business into

26:11

the country. So why are people

26:13

so energized against you? Are you

26:16

getting out messaged? I think, no.

26:19

I really believe it's 100 years. As

26:22

an example, with African Americans, for 100 years,

26:26

the Democrats have run the cities. 100 years.

26:29

I used to say 50. They said, you're wrong. I said, you

26:31

have to be kidding. It's 100 years. It's

26:33

a habit. They get used to it. But

26:36

they're learning that habit's being broken in a

26:38

lot of different ways. I

26:40

also think you have a fake news that doesn't

26:43

report it the way they should be reporting it.

26:46

Look, the news has been proven to be totally fake. And

26:48

it's 95% on the other side. That's

26:51

the thing I don't understand. Why would they? Why

26:53

do people want open borders? Where millions of

26:55

people have come into our country and you

26:57

see what's happening to the crime rate. You

27:00

know, a stat came out

27:02

the other day that's scary in Venezuela,

27:05

Caracas, different cities. They've

27:07

moved many of these criminals out into

27:09

the United States and now happily in

27:13

a location near you, right near your

27:15

house. Venezuela, the Congo, they're empty in

27:18

the prisons. The Congo, we have

27:20

many, many people coming out of the prisons of the

27:22

Congo. But the prison populations are

27:24

way down all over the world. Nobody wants

27:26

to talk about it. Prison

27:28

population and mental institutions, something you deal with

27:30

a lot. You know more about a mental

27:32

institution than I do. That's your world. That's

27:34

what you do better than anybody

27:36

as far as I'm concerned. You know

27:38

the population of mental institutions is way down

27:40

because they've moved a lot of the most

27:43

seriously ill people into our country.

27:46

And Venezuela just announced that they're

27:48

72% down in crime from

27:50

two years ago. Think of that. Because

27:52

they moved their, I mean, you don't

27:54

have to be a genius to realize, they

27:57

moved their prisoners out, but

27:59

they moved their prisoners out. their gangs, all

28:01

the gang members are now in the

28:03

United States, happily living in the United

28:05

States. The United States of America has

28:07

become a dumping ground because

28:09

of a very mentally

28:13

deficient president. And

28:15

it's not him. I don't believe it's him. I do think he

28:17

knows what's going on. I think he's sort of an evil guy.

28:20

But he's not at the top of his game, and he

28:22

never was very good at it. If you look at his

28:24

foreign policy for years and years and years, you look at

28:26

how bad he was on the crime bill in the 1990s,

28:28

how he's been bad

28:31

at everything and he got lucky. Look, he

28:33

ran three or four times when

28:35

he would be, let's say, in normal shape,

28:37

in good shape. He failed. He

28:39

got it when he shouldn't be

28:41

here. He shouldn't be here. And he's dealing

28:44

with President Xi, who I

28:46

know very well, and he's dealing with Putin, who I

28:48

know very well, and he's dealing with all of these

28:50

leaders of these countries that

28:52

doesn't, they don't like the United States. They

28:54

don't like what it represents. And

28:57

they are at the top of their

28:59

game. They are vicious. They

29:01

love their country or they want success. You

29:03

know, you define it any way you want. We've

29:06

become a failing nation. We're a nation

29:08

that's in tremendous trouble. We

29:11

have months ago, you know, where

29:13

we have somebody negotiating for us and dealing for

29:15

us who is not up to par.

29:18

He's not, and I'm not even saying now, I think

29:20

25 years ago he wasn't up to par, but he's

29:22

dealing with President Xi of China.

29:24

He's dealing with President Putin of Russia.

29:26

He's dealing with Kim Jong-un of North

29:28

Korea. He's dealing with very tough

29:30

people that really are at the top of their

29:32

game. I know them all. I know many more

29:34

than that. And

29:37

our country's in tremendous danger of World War

29:39

III. Our country's, you look at what's going

29:41

on with Ukraine now, you see what's going,

29:43

what's happening, where they're talking about

29:45

nuclear. They're bringing out the N word, as I

29:47

say, and they're talking about nuclear

29:49

weapons and they're talking about things that were

29:51

never, in my White House, nobody

29:54

ever uttered the word nuclear. Nuclear is

29:56

a very bad word because of the

29:59

power of weapon. And

30:01

we have a man that should not be dealing, and we're going

30:03

to end up in a nuclear war. We're going to end

30:05

up in World War III with this guy. And

30:07

if he, the five months is a long

30:10

time. We have five months to go before

30:12

the election. Now it's

30:14

even a little bit less. It's getting to be very close. Remember,

30:17

you have early voting in September 22nd. Pennsylvania

30:20

goes September 22nd. So

30:22

it's really less, quite a bit less. But

30:25

I really believe it's a very dangerous time because

30:27

I think they're making moves. They

30:29

love him as our president. They don't respect

30:31

him. They think he's weak

30:34

and incompetent. Now one thing

30:37

I'll say, he's surrounded by

30:39

a lot of fascists and communists, but

30:41

a lot of fascists. And

30:44

they're young and they're smart. And

30:46

that's who's running our country. Well, let me ask

30:48

you something then. Let's assume

30:51

that you

30:53

inherit a situation

30:57

where American

30:59

bombs are being used inside

31:01

of Russia. Let's assume that

31:04

you inherit that. We could

31:06

wind up with World War

31:08

III if we're not there already and it

31:10

just hasn't been labeled yet. We've

31:12

never been so close to World War III as

31:15

we are right now. There could be 100,000 or

31:19

more potential terrorists on

31:22

American soil right now today given what's

31:24

happened at the southern border. And

31:27

we do have Venezuela, Congo, others

31:30

that are emptying their

31:32

prisons of their most dangerous criminals with one

31:34

caveat. We'll let you out, but you go

31:36

to the United States. I believe every country

31:38

is doing it. By the way,

31:40

if you were the head of a country, you'd

31:42

be the first one to do it. I know

31:44

you'd say, what? Let's get rid of these. The

31:46

money they save and the danger they save? And

31:48

look at this map. I did

31:50

a show about this. The

31:52

red is where Chinese

31:56

government has funded buying

31:58

major farmland. And

32:00

then superimposed on that are

32:03

some of our most strategic military

32:06

bases. And you can

32:09

see there's... Surrounding. There's

32:11

Dugway Proving Ground. That's military

32:13

equipment, biological chemical weapons. They're

32:15

surrounding it. Utah Test Training

32:17

Rains, the largest supersonic authorized

32:20

restricted airspace in the United

32:22

States. Whiteman Air Force Base,

32:24

B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber Base,

32:26

Missile Drone Operations. MQ-9

32:29

Reaper, Global Strike Command 3. Air

32:32

Force, entire bomber force, nuclear

32:35

command, control and communications. Fort

32:38

Liberty, Airborne Special Operations

32:40

Forces, Rapid Deployment. We've allowed them

32:42

to come in and buy up

32:45

agricultural land, wind farms, no

32:48

wind, no blades on some

32:50

of the towers. But they're

32:52

surrounding our military

32:55

bases. We've allowed that to take

32:58

place. You may come in

33:00

and inherit all of this and

33:02

it may get worse over the next five months. What

33:04

are you going to do about that? Well, first of

33:06

all, you mentioned a thing. Fort Liberty. Used

33:09

to be Fort Bragg. We won World Wars

33:11

from Fort Bragg. And they changed

33:13

the name. And I don't even want to

33:15

say that they spent $37 million in doing it. Because

33:18

that's not the most important thing, but that's a

33:20

lot of money. It's pretty disgusting. Now, I

33:22

will say this. We want to let people

33:24

come in and invest in our country at the same time. Of

33:27

course. We want them to come and invest. We don't want

33:29

to make it so impossible. We have to be careful. And

33:32

this is a lot of land. What disturbs me as

33:34

much, because we don't want to say we're not going

33:36

to let anyone come in and invest. That would be

33:38

a bad thing. You know when I was young? But

33:40

they don't need to buy around our air? No,

33:43

there seems to be a lot of

33:45

activity around those nuclear sites, to put

33:47

it mildly. But

33:50

the thing was, when you mentioned Fort Liberty,

33:52

I remember that battle. As soon

33:54

as I got out, they

33:56

changed it. But they changed many names.

33:58

Almost all of them. and names

34:00

of these forts where we won two

34:02

World Wars and plenty of other things.

34:05

And you know there's a great anger about that.

34:07

Well as you know they call it presentism. What

34:10

they do is they take today's

34:12

cultural standards and apply

34:14

it to people's conduct 100 years ago.

34:17

As though 100 years ago they were supposed

34:19

to predict what the standards

34:22

were gonna be 100 years in the future and

34:24

behave the way things were going to be

34:26

100 years in the future. You can't do

34:28

that. It's like you drive through a neighborhood

34:30

when the speed limit is 20, then

34:33

they come and change it to 10 and

34:35

say I'm gonna give you a retroactive ticket.

34:38

And that's what they're doing. They're holding

34:40

these people to the standards of today's

34:42

mores and folkways based on

34:44

how they behave back and

34:47

in that time. It's called presentism.

34:50

And so they say oh no, we've got

34:52

to take these statues down. We've gotta change

34:54

these names because they were behaving in ways

34:56

that we wouldn't accept today. Well but it

34:58

was accepted back then. I'm

35:00

not saying it's our brightest hour. I'm not saying

35:02

it's our most shining time. But

35:05

these people also did great things

35:08

along with things that we may not be

35:10

proud of today but that's who they were

35:12

at the time. And it's never if you

35:14

know these people because it's a group of

35:16

people and they don't

35:18

represent the big majority, okay? They don't represent,

35:21

but it's never good enough. No matter what

35:23

you do. No, I call it tyranny of

35:25

the fringe. It's never good enough.

35:27

You could do all the name changes. All of a

35:29

sudden they'll find that's a problem. So

35:33

in different parts of the country. If

35:35

you inherit this, if you inherit bombs

35:38

in Russia and you have to deal

35:40

with Putin, if you inherit terrorists on

35:43

our soil that could attack our energy grid,

35:46

how do you deal with that? I will deal

35:48

with it and I'll get the war in Ukraine

35:50

settled and done. By the time I

35:52

get to office as president-elect, I will get it done.

35:54

As president-elect you have great power. I was able to

35:56

do great deals from the time I got elected in

35:59

2016. I mean, I was able

36:01

to do great deals from the time I got

36:03

elected to the time I got to office in

36:05

that little, because you have great

36:07

power there. You need the power of the presidency

36:09

to do it. I'm going to get the

36:11

war in Ukraine if it's not

36:13

done by that time. Now it looks like it's getting

36:15

worse. They're taking weapons now

36:17

where they can shoot deep into Russia. Where

36:20

is this going? Here's the problem with

36:23

Ukraine, which is right next to, you know,

36:25

we have an ocean in between. We're

36:28

in for a tiny fraction of what we're in for. And

36:31

I know them very well because I did it

36:33

with NATO. I said, you people are delinquent. We're

36:36

paying almost the entire cost of NATO. So

36:39

they excused the word. They screw us on trade.

36:42

And then on top of that, we're supposed to defend them.

36:44

And I said, it doesn't work that way. But

36:46

I didn't want to do that on my first. I let them know

36:48

my first. When I came back, I didn't want to do it. I

36:50

was in office for like two weeks, for that same sake. But

36:53

I said, you're not paying your way. And

36:55

I went back the second time and I said, you have to pay. Hundreds

36:58

of billions of dollars was paid. They asked

37:00

me one question. Will you defend us against

37:02

Russia if we haven't paid? I said, absolutely

37:05

not. As soon as I said that,

37:07

oh, and I took a lot of heat from the

37:09

fake news. The fake news went crazy when I said

37:11

that because I said I won't defend them. Now

37:14

you have the same thing. They paid hundreds of billions

37:16

of dollars quickly. And that's where it got all

37:18

the money to do what they're doing now. But remember

37:20

this. We're

37:22

probably in for $250 billion. They

37:28

just got $62 billion and

37:30

now I heard today that they

37:33

need more money. It's going to never end.

37:36

Now, you have some people that say it's not a

37:38

war that should have ever been started. It would have

37:40

never started if I was president. Putin would have never

37:42

done it. First of all, energy went up

37:44

so much that he makes money on it. When you get up to

37:46

$100 a barrel, I had it at $40 a barrel fill. It's

37:50

so different. But it would have never

37:52

happened. But now it has happened. Sometimes

37:55

I hate to say almost that it would never

37:57

have happened. And Israel would have

37:59

never happened. The attack on October 7th

38:01

would have never happened because Iran was

38:03

broke and Iran wasn't funding Hamas and

38:05

they weren't funding any of the terrorists,

38:08

Hezbollah, all of them. There's like 28

38:10

of them. They had no money. They

38:12

were broke. I said to China,

38:14

if you buy oil from Iran, you

38:16

can't do business in the United States. They didn't want

38:18

to take any chance of that. Everybody

38:21

stopped. And we had, you know, we

38:23

had no terrorist attacks. And I never

38:25

wanted to talk about it when I was president because

38:27

I didn't want to jinx it. I

38:30

wanted to get up and say, we have had no

38:32

terrorist, think of it. During my four years, we had

38:34

no terrorist attacks. This

38:36

nation is in such danger right now with

38:38

the people that you're just talking about coming

38:40

in. And it was interesting because I saw 29,000

38:43

Chinese people and they showed it

38:45

on camera. They look very

38:47

strong. They all have their

38:50

propane stoves. They all have

38:52

cell phones. They look like

38:54

military people. A lot of military-age men

38:56

have come in. Mostly men and they're

38:58

mostly of a perfect age for military.

39:01

And it's almost like, what are they doing? Building a

39:03

military organization within our country

39:05

with our help? We

39:08

have people running our country who

39:10

are grossly incompetent. Headed up

39:12

by a president that should never be there. How do

39:14

you unravel that? Well, you have to do it with

39:16

people and we'll do it. Look, I have

39:19

the same thoughts as you do. You know, a

39:22

lot of common sense to this stuff. It's

39:24

not, we talked about it before. Conservative,

39:27

liberal, I don't care. It's

39:29

common sense. We need borders. We

39:31

need low taxes. We need good education.

39:34

We need a strong military. I rebuilt

39:36

the entire military. The entire military was

39:38

rebuilt. I built

39:40

a wall that was so great

39:42

and I got Mexico to

39:44

give us 28,000 soldiers while I was

39:47

building the wall to keep people out. We didn't

39:49

have what you have today. We

39:51

had the lowest day the

39:53

week that I left office and it was a

39:55

sad day for this country. The week that I

39:57

left office, that's when we had our

39:59

lowest day. illegal flow of immigrants coming

40:01

into our country. And all Biden had

40:04

to do was leave it in place.

40:07

I had a thing called Remain in Mexico. They had

40:09

to Remain in Mexico. How good is that? They

40:11

had a catch and release

40:14

in Mexico. It was

40:16

so stupidly run. And all Biden had

40:18

to do when he goes to the beach, you know, he's

40:20

always in the beach, right? He thinks he looks good in

40:22

the bathing suit. Some advisor said, go to

40:24

the beach, you look great, Joe. And he can't even lift

40:26

the chair, which weighs about six ounces, you know, those chairs

40:28

that you can lift. They're meant for children

40:30

and old people to lift. So

40:32

Joe is in the sand and he's in the beach,

40:35

and he's totally decimating everything that we built. We

40:38

built the strongest border in the history of our

40:40

country, and we're going to do it again. Just

40:42

one little thing. In 2016, I got elected maybe

40:44

because of the border. But

40:46

that border was a fraction. It was nothing

40:48

compared to what the border is today. And

40:51

I fixed it. And, you know, in 2020, when I ran, I

40:53

couldn't even talk about it. Nobody wanted to hear about the border because

40:56

I fixed it. I'll fix it again.

40:58

But the border today is

41:01

many, many times worse

41:04

than it was in 2016. Well, I've

41:06

been to the border, and they just

41:08

straight up say we're using tax dollars

41:10

to send some of these children

41:12

that are coming across the border into

41:14

known prostitution rings, into sweatshops,

41:17

because we don't have the ability to check. They're

41:20

just sending them off. Well, you know, we have

41:22

88,000 missing children. Now, can you imagine if that

41:24

were Trump that had 88,000 missing children? That's

41:29

a Holocaust. That's as

41:31

bad as I've ever been. Think of it. These

41:33

are very young children. And

41:36

also women. They

41:38

take women, and they trade

41:41

women. And I had it

41:43

brought down to the lowest level because I had a border

41:45

that was actually strong. And you're going to take it back

41:47

to that. Oh, we're going to bring it back. And I

41:49

think then some. You know, one

41:51

thing, and you know this better than anybody, that you've

41:55

got to know people. It's about people. If you

41:57

put a great person at the head of a

41:59

big agency. lots of

42:01

good things happen. In my business,

42:03

if I have a good super in

42:05

real estate, superintendent, running one of my

42:08

buildings, and if I

42:10

move them to another building, sometimes you move them to another

42:12

building, but then that building's here. You

42:14

need good people. And we had a lot of

42:16

great people. I had some that I was very

42:18

disappointed in. I was some that I was very,

42:21

very disappointed in. But the one

42:23

thing is that I

42:25

was in Washington 17 times in

42:27

my entire life. I never stayed over. That

42:29

was reported by the news. I was very rarely there. I

42:32

wasn't a Washington. I was a New York person. I was

42:34

a builder in New York, a real estate guy. I

42:36

had a wonderful company. Everything was going good. It

42:38

would have been so easy just to keep doing

42:40

that. It was probably one of

42:43

the most successful days of my life was the day

42:45

before I announced I was running for president. Once you

42:47

do this, the whole world changes. I

42:49

even lost Oprah, okay? Oprah liked me so

42:52

much. And I haven't

42:54

spoken to her, I think, since. But

42:56

she's a good person. Please give him my regards. But

42:58

you know, you do things,

43:00

and my attitude is you have to do

43:02

what's right. If I didn't think

43:05

that I won the election by a lot, I would

43:07

have never run. And I don't think I've ever said

43:10

this on air before. Maybe I have. But

43:14

losing the election wouldn't have been that.

43:16

You know, if somebody wins, somebody loses. You go

43:18

on with your life. But

43:21

when you lose an election that you know

43:23

you won by millions of votes, millions of

43:25

votes, if I didn't

43:27

think I won the election, I

43:29

would have never done it in a second. Because I would have lost. In other words, I would

43:31

have lost. I ran because

43:33

I won the election. And I know that that's what

43:35

the people want. They want what you and I are

43:37

talking about right now. They want

43:40

strong borders, and they want good education. They want

43:42

all these things that we talked about. And

43:45

we're gonna get it to them, and we're

43:47

gonna get it fast. Probably the hardest problem,

43:50

the biggest problem is nuclear and the weapon rain. We have

43:52

to keep out of wars and all that. But the

43:54

hardest problem for our country is millions and millions

43:56

of people that have been brought into this country

43:59

that have been. I

46:00

have the people support. I think if

46:02

I didn't, I wouldn't be able to handle it so

46:04

easily. When a judge who has conflicts

46:07

like nobody's ever had wants to put me

46:10

in jail, when he puts a gag

46:12

order and says, if you talk about these things, we're going to

46:14

put you in jail. I'm the Republican

46:16

candidate. I was president. I'm leading the

46:18

Democrat by a lot. Wants

46:20

to put me in jail. I like not to think

46:23

about it. It's like they

46:25

say, oh, don't eat that food. Don't eat this food.

46:27

Don't do this. Don't do that. It

46:29

might be good for you. It might not be bad.

46:31

It might be good. They say, it causes cancer. I

46:34

say, don't talk to me about it. I don't want to hear the word.

46:37

I don't want to. It's out of sight, out of mind.

46:39

I think I have a very good disposition

46:41

for trauma. But

46:44

I have great support, Phil. The one thing is,

46:46

because you mentioned lots of groups and you're right

46:48

about that, but I also have great support within

46:50

the media. You know, there's a group of people

46:52

in the media. You might be one of them.

46:54

You're a very important force. The fact is, I've

46:56

watched you so long. I just felt so confident

46:58

when you called. I said, you know, in other

47:00

words, what do I have to subject myself to

47:02

it for? Does it make sense? But

47:05

I find it to be a very different and

47:07

very interesting – it's

47:09

a psychological interview that you're doing, too. You're sort

47:11

of being my psychiatrist, and maybe I could use

47:13

a psychiatrist every once or – no, it's pretty

47:15

cool. But I

47:18

try not to think about it. I try not

47:20

to go into that. And very importantly, I have

47:22

tremendous support. I have support from the people. You

47:24

look at the polls, and

47:26

they agree with me. They're sort of a silent majority.

47:28

You know, it's a term that's been used over the

47:30

years, but it's a true term. I

47:33

have the support of many more people than

47:35

they have, if we call they the bad

47:37

guys. And I think

47:39

if I didn't or if I felt I didn't, I

47:41

would not be quite the

47:43

same person. We all have

47:45

a personal truth. You know, is that what we

47:47

believe about ourselves when we don't have

47:50

our mask on? When we don't – you know,

47:52

I put on a nice

47:54

suit. You know,

47:57

I'm going to see the president here. I

47:59

want to be credible. Looks good. And we

48:01

put our best foot forward when we step

48:03

out into the world. But we

48:06

do have a personal truth that what

48:08

we believe about ourselves that are most vulnerable

48:10

when nobody's looking, nobody's listening, maybe it's three

48:12

o'clock in the morning, we wake up looking

48:14

at the ceiling, thinking what the

48:16

hell am I doing? What

48:18

do you say to yourselves when the crowds aren't

48:21

cheering? When you're home

48:23

alone, you're riding in the car,

48:25

you're by yourself. What

48:27

is the hardest, darkest moment that

48:30

you can think of in this journey you've

48:33

been on in the last several years? You

48:35

have to be very strong. You're

48:38

fighting off very evil forces and they're very

48:40

smart forces. There

48:42

are people that control Biden, totally true. I think

48:44

I know who they are largely. But

48:46

there are people that control him. They're very smart,

48:48

very energetic. Possibly

48:51

they're real believers, you know, what their

48:53

sick ideology is. But

48:55

you have to be smart

48:57

and you have to have confidence. I mean, you have

48:59

to have a certain confidence. The other

49:01

thing is I realize over the years that I've been through

49:04

a lot, great and

49:06

bad. You know, I won the presidency. Everybody said,

49:08

how are you going to do? How good is that?

49:10

It was the most incredible evening that one

49:12

of the most incredible evenings in the history of the country.

49:15

Look at the celebration. I mean, it was incredible.

49:18

But you also go through bad. I

49:21

understand fully that the bad also disappears.

49:23

In other words, you'll go through bad

49:25

moments and it disappears. It's

49:27

sort of funny because I've watched your show a lot over

49:29

the years. See, I'm not

49:31

ashamed to say it because some people say, oh, you

49:34

watched Dr. Phil. Well, you know, your show is a

49:36

very smart show. And I've

49:38

watched you ask a question similar to that to some couple

49:40

or some. And they break down.

49:42

Oh, they start crying in the show. I

49:45

said, that's never happening to me if that happens

49:47

to me. That's the end of

49:49

my political career. I think people, actually maybe people

49:51

would like me better. But I'll

49:53

tell you what, you

49:56

need strength. You have to have strength. And people don't

49:58

want to see that. You watch

50:00

so many people, you break down people, they

50:02

don't even know they're being broken down, but

50:05

it's different. That's the last

50:07

thing I want to do with you, but I do want people

50:09

to know you. I want people to

50:11

know every aspect of you, and I know

50:14

it about myself. I know that not

50:17

every time is a

50:19

great day, not every time is a hard

50:22

day. I thought you let a charmed

50:24

life. You never had a problem in your life,

50:26

right? Did you have? Huh? I

50:29

watched you during that trial. That's not a

50:31

fun time. You know, it was an icebox.

50:33

That courtroom was so cold. Really? And

50:35

I believe it was set that way by the judge. That

50:38

courtroom was freezing. You know, I'd call it

50:40

the icebox, right? I'd say, I just sat

50:43

through four hours, and

50:45

I'm not campaigning by doing that. That's what angered

50:47

me. They're taking away my voice. They're keeping me

50:49

in this icebox, and they're

50:51

taking away my voice. But

50:54

you know, one thing that's,

50:56

you bring it up, and

50:58

you haven't asked me the question yet, and

51:01

I'm sure you will, although I know we've been doing this

51:03

for quite a while. It's an honor to do it.

51:05

But the hardest part for me

51:07

is probably my family, because it's very unfair to

51:10

my family. I have a very good

51:12

wife. She reads this crap.

51:15

I have great kids. You

51:17

know what amazes me? I gave up my salary. I didn't

51:19

take salary. And it's $450,000, approximately $450,000 a year. So

51:25

you know, it's still money. It's a couple

51:28

of million bucks. I never had a

51:30

story, a good story, saying I did. I'm

51:32

not looking for a story. What surprised me

51:35

is there was a couple of stories. Who

51:38

else did it? Nobody. Everybody took.

51:40

I figured maybe Kennedy, it's a pretty rich

51:42

family. I figured the

51:44

only one that may have done it was

51:46

George Washington. You know, George Washington was a

51:48

very wealthy landowner. And they

51:50

said the only one that may have done it

51:52

is George Washington. I figured Roosevelt, maybe FDR. You

51:54

know, there's some pretty rich presidents.

51:57

Every president took this out. Bush just took this.

52:00

I didn't take my salary, I gave it up.

52:02

And every month I'd get a call

52:05

from the fake news, because

52:07

you know you can't really give it up, you have to give it

52:09

to an organization within

52:11

government. You're not allowed to actually give

52:13

it. So what happens, you get the check and then you

52:15

give it to Health and

52:17

Human Services, or you give it

52:20

to the Navy, or you give it to the

52:22

Army or something. And every month they say, did

52:24

he give it? Did he give it? And

52:26

when you show them that you gave it, there

52:29

was no story. And it was just interesting to

52:31

see. The whole system is rigged,

52:33

I mean it's just a nasty system. But

52:36

the saddest is, I'll give you one quick

52:38

example, I have a son, Don, he's a

52:40

good kid. And he wants

52:42

to help people. And they

52:44

said he was involved with Russia. He

52:47

knows less about Russia than that young person sitting

52:49

right over there who I'm sure knows nothing about

52:51

Russia. And it was

52:53

Adam Schiff, Adam Schiff, a bad guy. And

52:55

he comes out of a so-called

52:57

intelligence meeting, and

53:00

he goes to a microphone, and there was a lot of

53:02

press gathered, because this was during the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax,

53:04

total hoax. Had

53:06

nothing to do, five million phone calls, I

53:09

had not one phone call to Russia. It

53:11

was a hoax, and it came out that way, and it's nice, but

53:14

it took two and a half years. And by

53:16

the way, it was very dangerous, because at least Putin

53:18

understood it was a hoax. You know, he used to

53:20

say, what's, he thought we were crazy, to be

53:22

honest with you, he thought we were crazy. But

53:24

Don, so they'd say, Adam

53:27

Schiff comes out and says, Donald

53:29

Trump Jr. will go

53:31

to jail because of

53:33

what he's done with Russia. And

53:35

it was Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton and some

53:37

others in the DNC that they

53:40

made up a story, think of how bad you have to be. You

53:43

make up a phony story about Russia,

53:45

Russia, Russia, the Russia hoax.

53:47

You have the dossier, you have the whole

53:49

thing, it's all fake, they paid 12 million

53:51

dollars or something for the dossier, 12 million.

53:54

And if this guy steal a fortune

53:56

to do a fake story, fake

54:00

dossier, right? They go

54:02

to my son. They know it's fake. It's

54:05

not like they're trying to, they think it's real.

54:07

They know it's a fake, because they made it

54:09

up. And they say, Donald Trump Jr. will go

54:11

to jail. So I call up my son.

54:13

I said, are you okay? Is there something I don't know?

54:16

How bad do you have to be when

54:19

you can say about a story that you made up that

54:21

you know is fake that my son is going to go

54:23

to jail because of the story?

54:26

Why do you deal with that as a father? Because

54:29

I've had it happen to me. You've met Jordan. Yes.

54:31

And my other son Jay. I've had stories about

54:34

them. And it infuriates me.

54:36

I mean, I called him. I called him up. I

54:38

knew it wasn't true, but I said, this

54:41

guy, these are not stupid people. I call

54:43

him Watermelon Head. He's got the

54:45

tinnest neck I've ever seen, how it holds up that head.

54:48

He's got a neck that's about a size

54:50

six. Very unattractive guy, both inside and outside.

54:52

And if he was, oh, that's such a

54:54

terrible thing to say, that's okay. Very unattractive

54:56

guy. Here's the thing. These are

54:59

bad people. And it's

55:01

not easy to deal with. You know, when you have

55:03

your kids involved or your family, your wife, and

55:06

you read stuff, most

55:08

of it is untrue. It's just totally untrue.

55:11

But think of that. They make up a

55:13

story and then they say your son's going

55:15

to jail for something that they know is

55:17

false. These are bad people.

55:19

Is that harder to take than when they're talking

55:21

about you? Yeah, for me it is. For me,

55:23

I've become, I don't know, I've

55:25

become different. Maybe it

55:28

would have been tougher. I think the fact

55:30

that I have such unbelievable support helps me

55:32

a lot. It doesn't bother me.

55:34

Has it bothered you? Has there been blowback

55:37

on Barron because he's younger and more vulnerable?

55:39

It's not easy. And he's a

55:41

great kid. He's a good student. He's got

55:43

accepted to different colleges. Some of those colleges,

55:45

all of a sudden, they're riding all over

55:47

the place. Are you saying, but

55:50

he's a good boy? He's a tall boy. He's very

55:52

tall. He's a very tall. And

55:54

he's a great kid. He's a good looking kid. And,

55:57

you know, he's going to be going to college. But

56:00

he doesn't say it, and

56:02

I think he doesn't say it because he doesn't

56:04

want to hurt me, and he thinks it's possibly a

56:07

hurtful conversation. But it

56:09

has to affect my family, and

56:11

I think that's really unfair, because I

56:14

have a very good family. I have good kids.

56:16

I have a wonderful wife. I mean, it's

56:19

not easy for her to read this kind of stuff

56:22

that's fake, that's

56:24

fake stuff. But

56:27

that's the way it is. It certainly

56:29

is not a good thing, and it

56:32

affects me more than it would if it were just about me.

56:35

I wish it could be just about me. How's she

56:37

holding up through all of this? I think good, but

56:39

I don't think it's an easy thing for her. And

56:42

I think if it wasn't good, she wouldn't want to

56:44

tell me about it, to be honest with you, because

56:47

she sees that I'm fighting like hell. I'm trying to

56:49

become president and make America great

56:51

again. That's what we're going to do. We're going to make

56:53

America great again. They put tremendous obstacles

56:55

in our way, including the 20 million people that

56:57

are going to be in here by the time

56:59

this guy gets out. It's an

57:01

election we have to win. We're

57:04

not going to have a country left if we don't win

57:06

this election. Have you ever thought that

57:08

the toll that it takes on your family is

57:10

too much? Maybe

57:12

not in the way you expressed that. It's a

57:14

very interesting way of expression, actually,

57:17

of that question. I

57:20

haven't really. I think to

57:22

a certain extent, I think that my family wants

57:25

me to do it. Our country's in trouble. We

57:27

could be in a world war very soon. We're

57:30

going to end the problem. Think of it. We're

57:33

going to end Ukraine fast. I'm going to end it fast.

57:35

I know both. I know Zelensky. I know

57:37

Putin very well. I'm going to get it ended. That is

57:40

a horror show that's going on over there. But

57:42

think of it. Why are we hundreds

57:45

of billions of dollars more money? Why is

57:47

this happening? Why is Europe spending

57:49

a fraction of the money that we're spending?

57:51

There are so many different things about that that

57:53

are just wrong. But my family

57:55

is good. My family loves this country. And I

57:57

think they feel that I do a good job.

58:00

But look, we had the most successful country

58:02

we've ever had during my time. We had

58:04

the greatest economy in history of any country.

58:06

Do they want you to run or do

58:09

they tolerate you running? Interesting question. Well, they

58:11

tolerate it. But they at

58:13

least tolerate it. Yeah, they tolerate it. I

58:16

think they love the country. I think they think that I do a

58:18

good job. I think they feel that some, a lot

58:20

of people say that this is, I get it so

58:22

often and, you know, I'm not sure it's right. They

58:25

say there's nobody else that

58:28

can straighten out this country. And

58:30

again, Victor Orban said just

58:32

recently, he's a strong man from a

58:36

very interesting

58:38

country. And he knows Russia very well.

58:40

He knows, he knows Zelensky

58:42

very well. He knows Ukraine. But

58:45

he said the only one hungry, he said

58:47

the only one that's going to straighten this out is

58:49

Trump because he didn't use

58:52

the word respect. He used the word, they

58:54

were afraid of him. I don't want to say that about these

58:57

people, these other leaders. I don't want to say

58:59

they were afraid. I'm not going to use that

59:01

term. But let's use the word respect. They respected

59:03

me. They respected me and they respected our country.

59:07

And they knew if they played games, I was going to hit

59:09

the hell out of them with tariffs and lots

59:11

of other things. We have a lot of weapons,

59:13

not just military weapons. I rebuilt our entire military,

59:15

by the way. Our entire military is rebuilt. And

59:18

this person that we have leading us, if

59:20

you can call the word leading with quotes,

59:24

he gave away $85 billion with a brand

59:26

new military equipment in Afghanistan.

59:29

In my opinion, the lowest

59:31

day in the history of our country. I

59:33

think probably the most embarrassing moment in the

59:35

history of our country was what happened, the

59:37

way we pulled out of Afghanistan. We

59:40

left people behind. We

59:43

had 13 soldiers who I met, the parents. They

59:47

devastated, killed. Nobody

59:49

ever talks about them. You would talk about them.

59:51

I put them right at the top. 38

59:54

soldiers who are no arms,

59:57

no legs, faces just wiped out.

1:00:00

They're trying to live, you know, trying to live.

1:00:02

Nobody ever talks about that. They talk about 13

1:00:05

dead, absolutely. But they don't talk about 38

1:00:07

soldiers that have been wiped out.

1:00:09

And then hundreds of people were also killed. You know,

1:00:11

hundreds of people where this madman set off a bomb.

1:00:13

Should have never left them. They should have been in

1:00:15

Bagram. We should have kept Bagram. Bagram

1:00:19

is one hour away from where China makes its

1:00:21

nuclear weapons. We gave it up. You know who's

1:00:23

occupying Bagram right now? China. China.

1:00:26

We gave the biggest air force base, one of the

1:00:28

biggest runways, one of the most powerful

1:00:31

runways, eight foot

1:00:33

thick of concrete, built when

1:00:35

the dollar was very big. Okay?

1:00:38

Years ago. We gave it to the Chinese.

1:00:42

It should have never happened. What

1:00:44

we've done, I think that was the most embarrassing. And

1:00:46

I have to tell you, if that didn't happen, I

1:00:48

don't know that Putin would have gone in. I think

1:00:50

Putin watched that catastrophe and he said, hey, this is

1:00:52

a great time to attack Ukraine. You

1:00:54

think of emboldening him? I think so, yeah,

1:00:56

I think so. Let me ask you this.

1:00:58

Right now, headlines everywhere, of

1:01:01

course, you don't respect, but there are

1:01:03

headlines out there that say, when

1:01:06

you win your second term,

1:01:09

that you are going to

1:01:11

make the people that have

1:01:14

come after you pay. Retribution

1:01:17

and revenge. And let

1:01:19

me ask you this before you even respond to that. I

1:01:22

wanna play what if with you for a minute. What

1:01:25

if when you win this election,

1:01:27

you said, enough is enough. Too

1:01:32

much is too much. This is a race to

1:01:34

the bottom and it stops here.

1:01:37

It stops now. They've made a half

1:01:39

a dozen or more major attempts to

1:01:41

take you off the playing board. And

1:01:44

you just said, it stops now. I

1:01:47

am going to rise above this cycle of ugly.

1:01:50

I'm not gonna play this gotcha

1:01:52

retribution game. It stops now. I'll

1:01:54

forgive, I'll not ever

1:01:56

forget, but I am not gonna play

1:01:58

this retribution game. I am

1:02:00

gonna put the American people first, not

1:02:03

getting my pound of flesh first. You gotta do

1:02:06

what you gotta do, but

1:02:08

I'm gonna put this country as the

1:02:10

shining city on the hill, I

1:02:13

am moving forward. I'm not playing the retribution

1:02:15

game. It stops with me and it stops

1:02:17

here. What have you took that approach? I'm

1:02:19

okay with that. I am, I'm okay with

1:02:21

that. Sometimes, I'm sure in

1:02:23

certain moments, it wouldn't be, you know, when

1:02:25

you go through what I've been through, they

1:02:27

spider my campaign. You know, they spider my

1:02:29

campaign. Remember I announced it? They did

1:02:31

things that people don't even talk about. And

1:02:34

I got rid of Comey and I got rid of a lot

1:02:36

of people. I got rid of a lot of people, thousands

1:02:39

of people. At the VA, I cleaned it, 9,000

1:02:41

people. They were

1:02:43

sadists, I got rid of, but what they've

1:02:45

done is bad. With

1:02:47

all of that being said, we have to unite the

1:02:50

country, Phil. The country has

1:02:52

to be united. This country is a

1:02:54

mess. Every situation needs a hero. What

1:02:57

a great opportunity for

1:02:59

you to stop this cycle, this

1:03:02

vicious cycle of gotcha, gotcha back,

1:03:04

gotcha, gotcha back. Every situation

1:03:06

needs a hero. What a great opportunity to step

1:03:08

up and say, you know what, it stops here,

1:03:10

it stops with me. I think you'll be impressed.

1:03:13

We have to unite the country, we have to save the

1:03:15

country. That's not really saving the

1:03:17

country. There are people that did some

1:03:19

bad things. I know who they are and all of that.

1:03:21

But as an example

1:03:24

with Hillary Clinton, I'd say,

1:03:26

I'd mention her name, everyone's screaming, thousands and thousands.

1:03:28

Yeah, I've had, we just had 107,000 people show

1:03:30

up in

1:03:34

New Jersey, you saw that. 25,000

1:03:36

people showed up in the South Bronx.

1:03:38

In the South Bronx. But we had Wildwood,

1:03:40

New Jersey. 107,000 people,

1:03:43

it's a record, they've never had that. When

1:03:45

I mention the name Hillary in the

1:03:48

previous to the last election, they

1:03:51

said, lock her up, lock her up,

1:03:53

lock her up. But I would be there, and I'm trying

1:03:55

to almost quiet them now, they were going crazy. How

1:03:58

would it be I win? And

1:04:00

I lock Hillary Clinton

1:04:03

up. The president's wife,

1:04:05

the former president's wife, I locked her

1:04:07

up. And how would

1:04:09

it be if I took the Secretary of State,

1:04:11

your Secretary of State, and we

1:04:13

threw her into a prison someplace? I think it

1:04:15

was terrible. And yet now they're trying

1:04:17

to do that with me. Think of it. I

1:04:21

didn't want to do that. I could have done that

1:04:23

pretty easily. She busted up her phones, and she busted

1:04:25

up her laptops and what

1:04:27

they did. And they put bleach bit. You

1:04:29

know what bleach bit is? It's so expensive

1:04:31

nobody uses it because it's an acid and

1:04:33

it wipes everything out. Could

1:04:35

have done it really easy. Don't forget, she

1:04:38

disobeyed a subpoena from the United States

1:04:40

Congress. And she broke up all this

1:04:42

machinery, all this technology, after

1:04:44

she got the subpoena. Think

1:04:46

of it. How

1:04:48

would it look if I took a president

1:04:51

of the United States wife and

1:04:54

threw her into a prison? I hated

1:04:56

it because I wanted to bring the country together.

1:04:59

And I largely did. And I brought it together

1:05:01

through success because it was the most successful economy

1:05:03

in the history of our country. OK. Now

1:05:06

the difference is they're trying to do it to me. And

1:05:09

maybe you could feel differently about it, but

1:05:11

I don't feel differently. Retribution is

1:05:13

going to be through success. We're going to make

1:05:16

it very successful. We have to bring the country

1:05:18

together. And you can do that because

1:05:22

let me tell you, this revenge thing, there's

1:05:25

a lot of research. And Dr.

1:05:28

James Kimmel at Yale has done this

1:05:30

research and seen neurologically

1:05:33

in the brain that there's an

1:05:35

addiction to revenge just like to

1:05:37

opioid or whatever. And

1:05:39

that even if people commit

1:05:42

a crime and they get arrested for it,

1:05:45

they see themselves as the victim and they

1:05:47

want revenge against the person that arrested them.

1:05:49

And then the person that arrested them gets

1:05:51

hammered. So now that person

1:05:54

says, OK, well, I'm not going to put

1:05:56

up with that. So they go back after

1:05:58

the criminal. Now the criminal has been. victimized

1:06:00

again. And so we get into this loop

1:06:03

where we're addicted to it back and forth.

1:06:05

It's got to stop. And we're

1:06:09

better than this. We must be better than

1:06:11

this. And you're big enough to do it.

1:06:13

Every situation needs a hero. You can stop

1:06:16

this. You can say, no, it

1:06:18

ends here. It ends with me. I think

1:06:20

you'll be proud of the job we do.

1:06:23

And the word revenge is a

1:06:25

very strong word, but maybe we have revenge

1:06:28

through success. But that's what I'd like to

1:06:30

see. I want to see the country survive because this

1:06:32

country is not going to survive like this. And

1:06:36

really, you know, the expression, I think it's

1:06:38

the great greatest theme ever in politics, maybe,

1:06:40

because it's the biggest movement. We

1:06:42

want to make America great again. And that's what we

1:06:44

have to do. And I think

1:06:46

you'd be very proud of the job we

1:06:48

do. You know, the pope has a book

1:06:50

out that he's written and he says, we

1:06:52

are all brothers and sisters and there must

1:06:54

be no resentment among us for any war

1:06:57

to truly end. Forgiveness is necessary. Otherwise, what

1:06:59

we'll follow is not

1:07:02

justice, but revenge. And

1:07:04

that's true even in the cultural wars that

1:07:06

we're fighting here. I think you

1:07:09

have so much to do. You don't

1:07:12

have time to get even. You only

1:07:14

have time to get right. Well,

1:07:16

revenge does take time. I will say that.

1:07:18

It does. Sometimes revenge can be

1:07:20

justified, Phil. I have to be honest. Sometimes it

1:07:22

can. But is the country better or worse for

1:07:24

them going after you? I think the country is

1:07:27

really worse for what they've done. And I think

1:07:29

you see that when you look at the poll

1:07:31

numbers, when you see that almost

1:07:33

$400 million has poured

1:07:36

in since this horrible

1:07:39

decision was made. That was a few days ago. Numbers

1:07:43

that nobody's ever heard of in politics

1:07:45

before. It's a great

1:07:48

honor. The people of our country get

1:07:50

it. You know, they're very smart, taken as a

1:07:52

whole. I have to say they're very smart. But

1:07:55

it's been an honor being with you. It really has. And

1:07:57

I think you'd be very proud of the job You

1:08:00

have rallied people. I had

1:08:02

people in my focus group the other night

1:08:04

that said, I

1:08:07

have not voted for Trump before, I have

1:08:09

not been a Trump fan before, but

1:08:12

I have donated to Trump because

1:08:14

he has inspired me. I have donated to

1:08:16

him and I am voting for him now

1:08:18

and I have not before, but he has

1:08:20

inspired me. Actually, it's been a beautiful thing

1:08:23

to watch. Thank you. Mr. President, it's been

1:08:25

an honor speaking with you. Thank you very

1:08:27

much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank

1:08:30

you. Well,

1:08:33

welcome. Hopefully, you've just

1:08:36

been spending some time

1:08:38

watching my interview

1:08:40

with President Donald Trump, former President

1:08:43

Donald Trump. And

1:08:46

we're doing our first round table and

1:08:48

analysis and focus

1:08:51

group discussion after

1:08:53

that interview. Hopefully, it's the first of

1:08:55

many. I wanna introduce some good friends,

1:08:58

colleagues and experts in

1:09:00

their field. First is former

1:09:02

prosecutor and news on Merritt Street

1:09:05

anchor Lonnie Coombs. We've

1:09:07

been working together for many, many

1:09:10

years out in LA. Also

1:09:12

is my good friend who

1:09:14

has left an indelible mark on the courtroom.

1:09:17

Dallas trial lawyer for 50 years,

1:09:19

Rod Phelan. He is an absolutely

1:09:21

brilliant legal mind. He's

1:09:24

really committed to justice. And

1:09:26

finally, Greg Hartley. He

1:09:29

is a body language expert and

1:09:31

a member of Behavior Panel. And

1:09:34

he's part of the family here at Merritt Street.

1:09:36

So he's watching every one of you. If you're

1:09:38

doing anything. And

1:09:42

it is absolutely brilliant and part of the

1:09:45

Behavior Panel team. So

1:09:47

I'll start with you four

1:09:50

and anybody can just jump in. You

1:09:54

were all watching the interview

1:09:57

and I'm curious what your takeaways

1:09:59

were. were from the interview. Anything jumped

1:10:01

out at you? Because we're

1:10:04

talking about someone

1:10:07

that, according to the polls,

1:10:11

may very likely resume the presidency

1:10:13

of the United States soon, which

1:10:16

would very likely put him back in a position

1:10:18

of being the most powerful man on the planet

1:10:21

in terms of politics,

1:10:25

military, power, and control. And

1:10:28

I think this was an opportunity to have a

1:10:30

look at him like we don't often see. So

1:10:33

I'm just curious what your takeaways were. For me, right

1:10:36

off, your relationship was clear. That you had a relationship

1:10:38

with him, that you could talk to him in a

1:10:40

way a lot of people may not be able to.

1:10:43

And that chemistry matters. You know, Jung, the

1:10:45

famous psychologist, once said that no two people

1:10:47

are the same after interaction. So we had

1:10:49

to watch for that. And we could see

1:10:51

when he understood that you were not there just

1:10:53

to excoriate him and just go after him, that he

1:10:55

made a good eye contact with him and started to pay attention.

1:10:57

And it was like, OK, somebody gets what I'm saying. All right,

1:10:59

well, let's take a look. We have a clip of what you're

1:11:01

pointing out. You

1:11:04

know, it was interesting when you called the other day

1:11:06

about doing an interview, a lot of people want to

1:11:08

do interviews. And I don't just agree to him very

1:11:10

easily. But I've always had great respect for you. I

1:11:12

watch your show. Some of the real

1:11:14

good ones. What

1:11:19

do you see? So if you see, if you watched

1:11:22

him, we typically think when people are having an emotional

1:11:24

thought, they look down and to their right, their eyes

1:11:26

will go down and to their right. Think about the

1:11:28

last wedding or funeral you went to, and that will

1:11:30

happen. We see him do that when he's describing the

1:11:33

problem. But as soon as he starts saying, somebody

1:11:35

of your stature, watch him raise

1:11:37

his head and make eye contact and show

1:11:40

respect. That's powerful. That means who

1:11:42

else is going to do that? Right. My

1:11:45

position, just so you know, going

1:11:47

into this kind of interview is

1:11:49

I'm not a gotcha interviewer. I've

1:11:51

never been a gotcha interviewer. I

1:11:54

want to give people a chance to tell their story,

1:11:57

say what they want to say, and then ask them. I'm

1:12:00

going to ask questions that I think the viewer

1:12:02

would want asked. And

1:12:04

if they don't answer them, then I'm going to ask them again.

1:12:07

And if they go off on a 4th

1:12:09

of July speech, then I'm going to say, well, that

1:12:11

was a nice speech. Now I answer my question. I

1:12:14

do want my questions answered, but I

1:12:16

give them a chance to say what they want to say.

1:12:18

But then, and I told him at one

1:12:20

point, I want people to get to know

1:12:22

you because you're always campaigning. I don't want

1:12:24

you campaigning. I want you to talk

1:12:26

to us as a father and a husband and

1:12:29

an individual. We want to know who you are

1:12:32

because he's got a speech that he gives, a

1:12:34

stump speech that he gives. We've heard that. We

1:12:36

want to hear some other things. And he was

1:12:38

willing to do that. Yeah, it showed. When he

1:12:40

made eye contact with you from that point on,

1:12:43

I watched him throughout the entire interview. He cared

1:12:45

what you thought, and that's important because it gives

1:12:47

a person the opportunity to actually show you the

1:12:49

human side as well. And by the way, I

1:12:52

have an invitation to President Biden

1:12:55

to do the same thing. I

1:12:57

have an interview scheduled with

1:13:00

RFK Jr. for

1:13:03

week after next to do the same thing. These

1:13:05

are the three people that are involved. Maybe

1:13:08

RFK Jr. as a spoiler, but

1:13:10

he could swing this whole election one way or the

1:13:12

other. So I'm talking to all the candidates that'll talk

1:13:14

to me, so we'll see how that goes. Rod, what

1:13:16

did you think? Well, I wrote

1:13:19

down five things, Phil. He

1:13:22

is the toughest guy I have

1:13:24

ever seen. I've tried

1:13:26

cases, of course, and you're exhausted when

1:13:29

you try a case as a lawyer.

1:13:32

Just imagine if you're

1:13:34

sitting there powerless, the client,

1:13:37

the guy who's got the bullseye painted on

1:13:39

him, your freedom's at stake,

1:13:42

and you've got no control over what happens in the courtroom.

1:13:45

You've got a hostile judge. You think the jury's

1:13:47

hostile. Your lawyer's may or may not be

1:13:49

doing what you want him to do. And

1:13:51

Trump just, and he's getting it from all

1:13:53

sides. That was one of five cases, I

1:13:55

mean, and he just

1:13:58

goes forward full steam. second,

1:14:01

he wears a bullseye and

1:14:04

he gets shot at because he's so formidable. I mean,

1:14:06

this guy is really a

1:14:09

force. I mean, I said to

1:14:11

somebody, you know, Phil kind of

1:14:14

attended that interview as opposed to conducting

1:14:16

it. And that's all you can do with a

1:14:18

guy like

1:14:20

Trump. We did sign professional bull riding here,

1:14:22

and so I thought that was a warm-up

1:14:24

for that. Right. Very good

1:14:26

one. Three, he stays

1:14:29

on message. He

1:14:31

may wind around, but he's,

1:14:34

it's a familiar message, and he's

1:14:36

going in the direction that he

1:14:38

wants to go trying to pull

1:14:40

everybody with him. Four, he

1:14:42

is a damn the torpedoes,

1:14:44

full speed ahead guy. I mean, nothing gets

1:14:47

in his way. He's going to go where

1:14:49

he wants to go. You may not like

1:14:51

where he's going, but you know where he's going,

1:14:55

and he's going as hard as he can. And last,

1:14:58

this guy wants

1:15:00

revenge so bad he can taste

1:15:03

it, but he knows better. And

1:15:05

Phil, after letting him run,

1:15:08

as Phil did

1:15:10

throughout that interview, finally

1:15:13

said, I want to see if I can

1:15:15

get you where I want you. Will

1:15:17

you take it back? Will you not be

1:15:21

a vengeful president if you win? And he said,

1:15:23

yes, I'm okay with that. That was

1:15:25

really powerful. I hope he can, hope

1:15:28

he can stick to it. What did you

1:15:30

think about the revenge point? You know, Dr.

1:15:32

Phil, I love to watch interviews and

1:15:34

I love to watch masterful interviews, and

1:15:36

I'm always watching how the interviewer is

1:15:39

getting to that information. I thought that this

1:15:41

was the part of your interview that I

1:15:43

just found fascinating, and I watched it over

1:15:45

and over again. You literally laid out, okay,

1:15:47

I am now going to ask you about

1:15:49

retribution and revenge. I mean, you just put

1:15:51

it out there to him. And

1:15:53

you, I knew it was important to you because

1:15:56

you literally came at it four different times. You

1:15:58

kept coming the first time you said, Okay,

1:16:00

what if? What if you just said enough is

1:16:03

enough? We're going to stop it now. And

1:16:06

his response was, I'm okay with

1:16:08

that. Sometimes I'm sure in certain

1:16:10

moments I wouldn't be. You know, and then he kind

1:16:12

of went off, and then you came in the second

1:16:14

time. And your second time was, every

1:16:16

situation needs a hero. You're

1:16:18

in a position to be the hero. Do you

1:16:21

want to do that? Will you step out? You're

1:16:23

like constantly giving him that opportunity. And this time

1:16:25

he kind of dodged it. He said, I think

1:16:27

you'll be impressed. We need to unite and save

1:16:29

the country. And then this, the next one you

1:16:31

came in, you were obviously prepared as you always

1:16:33

are. You said, you know, there's research right now

1:16:35

that revenge in this country is an addiction. We

1:16:38

are literally feeding off it, and you could

1:16:40

stop that cycle. And this time

1:16:42

he said, well, you know, revenge is a strong

1:16:44

word. Maybe we can have revenge through success. And

1:16:47

then your last one, which I loved, was

1:16:49

this quote from the Pope that I thought

1:16:52

was so good. We are all brothers and

1:16:54

sisters. Forgiveness is necessary. Otherwise, what we'll follow

1:16:56

is not justice, but revenge. And then you

1:16:58

followed up with, you don't have

1:17:00

time to get even, you only have time

1:17:02

to get it right. And

1:17:05

he kind of pulled back again. He said, well, it does

1:17:07

take time. And then he said, and I

1:17:09

give him credit for this. He just said

1:17:11

it to you. Sometimes revenge can be justified.

1:17:13

So I have to be honest, you know,

1:17:15

sometimes it is. And then you

1:17:18

said, but is the country better or

1:17:20

worse for them going after you? And

1:17:23

it was very interesting to watch him. It was almost like he

1:17:26

was thinking out loud as it was going on. I

1:17:28

wanted to ask you, because being in there

1:17:30

is so different than just watching it. What

1:17:32

were you feeling from him as you were

1:17:35

working through this? What were

1:17:37

the feelings you were getting from him? And how do you feel

1:17:39

he actually ended up at the end of that? Well,

1:17:41

I thought there was

1:17:43

a shift in the interview where

1:17:46

he became very reflective. Where

1:17:49

he, you know, when I asked him

1:17:51

why, you always talk about

1:17:53

what you're doing. Why are

1:17:55

you doing it? Is the cost to

1:17:57

your family too much? And

1:17:59

at that point, and I thought things shifted

1:18:01

and he started getting, you

1:18:03

know, really honest. And, you

1:18:05

know, it kind of scared him

1:18:08

at one point when he said, hey, I've seen you

1:18:10

do this before. You know, just...

1:18:12

I know, he called you on it. You break people

1:18:14

down, you're not breaking me down. Yeah, and

1:18:16

I said, I don't want to. I'm just

1:18:18

asking you the questions. And

1:18:21

I think when he had to admit, the

1:18:23

country wasn't better off with

1:18:25

them going after him. So

1:18:28

it won't be better off with him going after

1:18:30

them. And at that

1:18:33

point, I think it

1:18:35

landed with him. And I think he

1:18:37

understood. And this is a process. This

1:18:40

is a process. I think it's

1:18:43

something that you don't just flip

1:18:45

a switch and it changes like that. I

1:18:48

think it's a process. It's the matter of who's

1:18:51

in his ear and what they're

1:18:53

talking about. But I think it

1:18:55

was a quantum shift for him

1:18:57

to even consider anything other than,

1:19:00

you know, full speed ahead, get the bastards. Yeah, I

1:19:03

think that shows when he's talking to you because he

1:19:05

makes good eye contact and you can see that he

1:19:07

has to process. And only you were there with all

1:19:09

your mirror neurons and that in the room can feel

1:19:11

what you're feeling. But what we could see from out

1:19:14

here is he makes eye contact and it matters to

1:19:16

him what you think. And that's important. Yeah,

1:19:19

I thought he made a shift. And

1:19:21

we talked afterwards off

1:19:24

camera and stuff and he

1:19:26

hears it. I mean, I think he

1:19:28

honestly hears it. And

1:19:31

do I think he's cured of

1:19:34

his addiction to revenge? No, I

1:19:36

don't. But I think for

1:19:40

a single sit down, I

1:19:43

think he made a major

1:19:45

shift in his thinking.

1:19:47

And look, he's not a dumb

1:19:49

guy. And I think

1:19:52

he understands, look, people don't want you running

1:19:54

your own agenda. We want you running our

1:19:56

agenda. And it's not

1:19:58

you playing gotcha. And

1:20:00

I think he'll understand, I think that will

1:20:03

stick with him. It

1:20:05

doesn't mean he doesn't need hit again,

1:20:07

hit again, hit again, hit again. And

1:20:09

I think people around him are studying

1:20:11

this interview very carefully. And

1:20:14

if they're smart, I think the messaging

1:20:16

will change. I

1:20:19

think they will. What was the

1:20:21

most significant thing you learned

1:20:23

about Donald

1:20:26

Trump watching that interview? Dr.

1:20:29

Bill, I thought you were able to bring

1:20:31

out a personal side of him that I

1:20:34

haven't seen before. And you had to work

1:20:36

at it. I mean, he really has, he's

1:20:38

very strong and he knows who he

1:20:40

is. And he doesn't really care

1:20:42

if other people don't like that or disagree with

1:20:44

him. But you were able to get

1:20:46

to him. And when he talked about his family,

1:20:49

I think that that was honest.

1:20:51

I think that that was a side

1:20:54

of him he doesn't talk about very much. And

1:20:57

then when you asked him about the stress, how do

1:20:59

you handle the stress in the darkest moments? He's not

1:21:01

one to go deep. He's not one to really self

1:21:03

reflect, but he was honest about it. He said, you

1:21:06

have to be strong, you have to be confident, you have

1:21:08

to be smart. And then he said something I

1:21:10

thought was interesting. You can kind of see it throughout his

1:21:12

life. He said, you go through the bad moments, you're gonna

1:21:14

have the bad moments. And then they disappear. And

1:21:17

then they disappear and you move on. And I thought that

1:21:19

has stood him well through everything he's gone through.

1:21:22

He also said, how do you handle the

1:21:24

stress? I don't think about it. He's obviously

1:21:27

a very good compartmentalizer. I don't think about

1:21:29

it. And I have tremendous support from the

1:21:31

people. When he said that I

1:21:33

got this image of Scarlett O'Hara in my mind.

1:21:37

I don't think about that today. I'll

1:21:39

think about that tomorrow. And it was just that simple for him.

1:21:41

Yeah. Yeah. And that

1:21:43

works for some people. It depends on what it is you're

1:21:46

not thinking about. Right. If

1:21:48

it's a nuclear threat, I'd

1:21:51

rather you go ahead and think about that. Right. But

1:21:55

I think what he's saying is I do

1:21:57

compartmentalize and move on. And

1:21:59

when you've got that many balls in the air, then

1:22:02

I think that's probably a

1:22:05

way to maintain your sanity and not

1:22:08

get overwhelmed. Right. And

1:22:10

so it did make sense in that regard.

1:22:14

What jumped out, what was your

1:22:16

major takeaway? What, if anything, that you learned

1:22:18

about him that you didn't know? I

1:22:21

have always thought he was smart, but

1:22:24

not likeable. I now

1:22:26

think he is smart and engaging at a

1:22:28

personal level. I think I would like the

1:22:30

eye. He's

1:22:32

very, very bright. He

1:22:35

doesn't talk like you

1:22:37

or I or other lawyers. He's

1:22:39

not organized and

1:22:41

here's my first point, here's my

1:22:43

second point, but he's clear

1:22:46

as a bell and very

1:22:48

forceful. And I guess I

1:22:50

kind of knew that, but it really registered with

1:22:52

me as I watched him. And he's got a

1:22:54

good sense of humor, a real good sense of

1:22:56

humor, a little bit

1:22:58

self-deprecating, usually not, but he

1:23:01

is able to laugh at himself. So I thought

1:23:05

better of him after watching him for

1:23:08

an hour, solid. I don't think I've ever watched

1:23:10

the guy for an hour, solid. That's the longest

1:23:12

interview I think he's ever done. I

1:23:15

really do. I think it's the longest interview he's ever done.

1:23:20

Let me ask you as a group, and we'll get comments

1:23:22

in a minute, but how many of you

1:23:24

liked him better after the

1:23:26

interview than before? Raise your hand real high.

1:23:31

How many of you liked him worse

1:23:33

after the interview? There's

1:23:36

two of you? How

1:23:38

many of you? It

1:23:41

didn't change the way you felt about him one way or the other. Okay,

1:23:44

that's 10, 12, okay. What

1:23:47

was your takeaway? Yeah, agree. That's strong,

1:23:49

confident, smart. People tell you what

1:23:51

they're thinking and the words they stress tell you

1:23:53

what they're thinking. They're words, strong, confident,

1:23:56

smart. I think that's what he values. He values

1:23:58

that more than most other things. listening

1:24:00

to that. And I also think, you know, that

1:24:02

comes from a lot of years, and you, Doc,

1:24:04

you know, I always say the organism does what

1:24:06

made the organism successful. And he's been

1:24:08

in construction and all those things for a lot of

1:24:10

years, and strong, competent, and smarter, those watch words for

1:24:12

those kinds of businesses. So I listen to what people

1:24:15

say and what they stress. If you pay attention, you'll,

1:24:17

every one of you do the same thing, and you'll

1:24:19

find that. He's

1:24:21

really focused on the fact that he

1:24:24

is under attack a lot, has multiple cases against

1:24:26

him. In fact, that's what he, that's

1:24:29

part of his rant,

1:24:31

that's part of his spiel at

1:24:33

the top. Does that suggest to

1:24:35

you that this really bothers

1:24:38

him? Oh, yeah. And when he's

1:24:40

ranting about this, when he's going on and

1:24:42

on and on, he's using the basic Trump

1:24:44

body language, the baseline, we always say, where

1:24:46

he's emphasizing with big movement, everything he would

1:24:48

normally do, and his eyes are drifting down

1:24:50

to the right. And we'll see it in

1:24:52

some videos when they do, when he does

1:24:54

that, you'll see him doing this and ranting.

1:24:57

And only when you brought him out of it a

1:24:59

couple of times, did he come back up and do

1:25:01

normal eye movement and start moving his eyes around his

1:25:03

head and looking for it. So he's irritated by it

1:25:05

clearly. It's really bothering. So you think this is getting

1:25:07

to a more than he likes

1:25:09

to show? And if you see him when he walked,

1:25:11

for example, when he walked out after the conviction, you

1:25:13

can see he's just lifeless compared to Trump. His arms

1:25:16

are hanging by his side. He looks deflated. I think

1:25:18

it's just gotten to him on that level. Now,

1:25:21

any of us it would, to your point, this is

1:25:23

a tough guy, but any of us going through that

1:25:25

period of time would feel that,

1:25:27

especially when you talk to a trial

1:25:29

attorney and they're saying that. Imagine what it's like to be the

1:25:31

guy who has no capability to speak.

1:25:33

So yeah. Right. Right. Was there

1:25:36

something you needed to hear from him that you

1:25:38

didn't? Well,

1:25:42

I think that the gag order

1:25:44

kept you from asking the

1:25:46

kinds of questions I would have liked to hear

1:25:48

him answer. I'm interested

1:25:51

in why they did certain things

1:25:53

in the trial and was he pushing for this

1:25:55

or holding them back on that? And

1:25:57

you're never going to get the guy to answer that.

1:26:00

Well, and I didn't want to put him in

1:26:02

a position to violate the gag order. Exactly. And

1:26:05

it wasn't just the gag order. It was, I don't

1:26:09

think very many lawyers would let their client get up

1:26:11

and say, well, look, here's the strategy. And I wanted

1:26:13

these guys to do this, but they wouldn't do it.

1:26:16

That's what I'm interested in. But

1:26:19

there wasn't any chance that you wanted to do

1:26:21

it. Because the gag order is literally just

1:26:23

saying he can't talk about the jurors or

1:26:25

the witnesses or the court staff. As

1:26:28

far as the gag order is concerned, he can talk

1:26:30

about the case. He can talk about his campaigns. But

1:26:32

that doesn't limit it. But I'm sure his counsel is

1:26:34

saying, do not go there. This is under appeal. We

1:26:37

don't need you talking about it. Yeah, there

1:26:40

were lawyers in the room. Yeah, that makes

1:26:42

sense. Just off camera. How many?

1:26:45

A lot. Just curious. Well, I

1:26:47

don't know who all was lawyer and who weren't. But I

1:26:49

think the ones that were holding their breath for a couple

1:26:51

of hours and turning blue

1:26:53

and kept going like this, I

1:26:58

think those were lawyers over

1:27:01

there. And clearly,

1:27:03

he's got a sentencing

1:27:05

hearing coming up on July 11. And

1:27:08

I think there's a real issue here that

1:27:11

he's not going to show remorse. That's

1:27:14

right. And he's going to go into this

1:27:16

hearing with 10 contempt

1:27:18

citations having been issued by this judge.

1:27:21

He's going to go in not showing remorse and

1:27:27

facing sentencing, which

1:27:31

could be up to four

1:27:33

years, right? Highly

1:27:36

unlikely. But I

1:27:39

think their concern is not just

1:27:42

the gag order, but really

1:27:45

complicating the situation further than what it

1:27:47

already is. And I think they're saying,

1:27:49

look, you don't have to wall rub

1:27:51

salt in the wounds anymore.

1:27:54

But he would just

1:27:56

kind of go off in that direction. And it

1:27:58

really bothered them. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they've

1:28:00

got to make it to the 11th, right? And get the

1:28:03

sentencing and then take it from there. And

1:28:05

I agree with you, that issue about him not showing

1:28:07

remorse is an interesting issue in the

1:28:09

justice system, right? When it gets to sentencing, they

1:28:12

want the person to show remorse, say, hey,

1:28:14

I'm sorry. And it's very clear he's not

1:28:16

going to do that. He's never going to

1:28:18

do that. So how the judge handles that

1:28:20

will be interesting. I

1:28:23

ask him if his

1:28:25

family tolerated him doing

1:28:27

this, or they wanted

1:28:29

him to do this. And I thought it was very

1:28:33

interesting that for the first time ever, I

1:28:35

heard him talk about Barron

1:28:37

and Melania and the fact that it was

1:28:40

really taking a toll on them. And he

1:28:43

said, they don't talk about it a lot because

1:28:45

they don't want to hurt me. They

1:28:48

think it would put pressure on me

1:28:50

or hurt me if they

1:28:53

talked about it hurting them. And

1:28:56

so I really wondered if everybody's

1:28:58

walking around kind of in

1:29:00

a silo instead of really sitting

1:29:03

down and talking about, hey, we're in this

1:29:05

together for fear of

1:29:07

talking to

1:29:09

each other about it. It was interesting. You

1:29:11

asked two questions about his family. One was, do

1:29:13

they tolerate it or do they want you to?

1:29:15

And is this taking a toll on them? Is

1:29:17

the toll being taken on them not worth

1:29:19

it? And both times he

1:29:21

literally paused and he said, that's an interesting question. He

1:29:24

hadn't really gone through that connection in

1:29:26

his head. And I think it might be

1:29:29

because the family, they do separate it out.

1:29:31

They don't want to bother him with their concerns. And

1:29:33

so he goes, oh, that's interesting. Let me think about

1:29:35

it. That's odd that he wouldn't have thought

1:29:37

about that. Do you have a clip you wanted to show us?

1:29:39

Sure. The next one up we

1:29:41

can pull. What are you showing us?

1:29:44

This next one, I think, is where he's

1:29:46

going to show some contempt and some sarcasm

1:29:49

when he's talking about Biden. OK, let's take

1:29:51

a look. What are we looking at? If

1:29:54

you're watching, he starts talking. Biden was totally

1:29:56

exonerated. Now, I'm not sure I want that

1:29:58

kind of an exoneration. They basically. He said

1:30:00

he's incompetent to stand trial, but he could be

1:30:02

president. So he's animated. You see he's doing all

1:30:04

of this because it's about Biden. And

1:30:07

then you notice he'll do this thing in the side

1:30:09

of his face where he does a sarcastic smile and

1:30:11

then a half smile rises. When half

1:30:13

your face rises, that's absolute contempt. So

1:30:16

we'll see him have contempt for Biden or

1:30:18

the situation he's in as a result. What

1:30:20

are we missing here? It

1:30:22

makes everybody uncomfortable about it. Okay,

1:30:24

and that's important because this is

1:30:26

a unilateral expression. And

1:30:28

this is the only emotion

1:30:31

that is unilateral on the face. Explain that.

1:30:34

That's right. Yeah, so when we say unilateral, what we mean is

1:30:36

one side of your face, when you smile both sides of your

1:30:38

face or eyes, they may be a little different. But when one

1:30:40

side goes up, if somebody looks at you and does that, that's

1:30:43

not positive, right? So that's

1:30:45

the only one of the seven universal emotions that

1:30:47

we see that people actually have a unilateral side.

1:30:49

And it is readable in every culture in the

1:30:51

world. So it's just there. It's a muscle. Think

1:30:55

Dick Cheney. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1:30:57

Good, good call. He

1:30:59

was the best example of that, right? Yeah, for sure.

1:31:02

And occasionally you'll see it when you're on one of these

1:31:04

crime shows and somebody's trying to lie. One

1:31:06

of your hosts is really good at shooting that shot

1:31:09

over there and telling somebody, I don't believe you. It's

1:31:11

really a powerful tool. Yeah, okay. All

1:31:13

right. And what's on the next clip? Yeah,

1:31:15

this last clip is simply his contact with you

1:31:17

when you start to really pressure him and ask

1:31:20

him questions about whether he's going

1:31:22

to take revenge. Let's watch that one. You

1:31:24

can say, well, I think

1:31:26

it ends here. It ends with me. I think you'll

1:31:28

be proud of the job we do. And

1:31:31

so if you're watching him now, see, he's feeling

1:31:33

some emotion. He's looking down into his right. He's

1:31:35

paying attention to what's going on in his head. But

1:31:38

then he comes right back up and he locks eyes

1:31:40

with Dr. Phil and he's back down to that downright

1:31:42

emotion. This is showing me that he

1:31:44

really, really cares what Dr. Phil's saying as he tries

1:31:46

to do that. There's some uncertainty in

1:31:48

him about what he's going to do. You see that

1:31:50

single shoulder rise. That's a good indicator

1:31:53

of uncertainty. When a person does one shoulder, it's

1:31:55

usually uncertainty. So I

1:31:57

think, Doc, the answer is maybe.

1:32:02

I don't think I'm going to be able to remember all that

1:32:04

stuff. It takes

1:32:06

a little while. Yeah. Well,

1:32:08

your wife will. That's

1:32:11

the important thing. All right.

1:32:13

And I'm really interested in questions or

1:32:15

comments that you guys have about

1:32:17

what you saw. You viewed

1:32:19

the interview and you heard

1:32:22

what he had to say and what I had to say. I

1:32:27

want to break down the interview for you

1:32:29

first in my mind. And

1:32:33

as I've said, my goal

1:32:35

is to talk to Donald

1:32:38

Trump, Joe Biden, Robert

1:32:41

Kennedy, Jr., because I

1:32:44

want everybody

1:32:46

that watches Merritt Street to hear

1:32:49

what they have to say with the

1:32:51

kind of questions that I have to ask. And

1:32:56

with former President Trump last night,

1:32:58

my goal, I've

1:33:00

known him for a long time. Not

1:33:03

super well, but we've known each other for

1:33:05

a long time. And

1:33:08

I've been watching him. I

1:33:11

knew that when he

1:33:13

sat down, he's got certain things he's going to

1:33:15

get said. And

1:33:17

that's just the investment you have to make in

1:33:19

the interview, because it's kind of like

1:33:21

talking to a waiter and

1:33:23

they've got the specials. They're

1:33:26

going to give you those specials. And

1:33:28

it doesn't matter what you want. They're going to give you those

1:33:31

specials. And if you interrupt him on number 12 out of 15,

1:33:33

they're going to start back at the top. So

1:33:36

he's got things that he just feels like

1:33:38

he needs to message. And

1:33:41

he's going to go through those things. And

1:33:43

I got some questions in there, even so,

1:33:45

but that's going to have to happen. And

1:33:47

then we started talking

1:33:49

about what was going on. And the

1:33:52

first time that I really thought we

1:33:54

got into a meaningful conversation is I

1:33:56

said, look, you do have good numbers.

1:34:00

are what they are. There were good

1:34:02

numbers out of the Trump administration. And

1:34:05

my question to him, which

1:34:07

started the second phase, was with

1:34:10

those good numbers, if

1:34:12

everything is as good as you're saying, hell, you should

1:34:14

be running unopposed. Who would

1:34:16

not want all that? If you have these numbers here,

1:34:18

these numbers here, these numbers here. So

1:34:20

are you getting out messaged? Is

1:34:25

the other side out messaging y'all? Are

1:34:28

they out messaging you? Who are they out messaging the

1:34:32

Republicans? And he said, well,

1:34:35

yes, no, maybe. I think

1:34:37

it's just a pattern of the

1:34:40

other side doesn't want to vote for anybody, but

1:34:42

the other side, we're that divided. What

1:34:47

did you guys think about the

1:34:49

fact that despite really good numbers,

1:34:52

that we are that divided? Are

1:34:55

Democrats out messaging Republicans? Are Republicans

1:34:57

not sending the right message? And

1:35:00

listen, I'm apolitical. I

1:35:04

look at issues, not individuals.

1:35:08

So I'm just curious

1:35:10

what you guys think. From

1:35:12

that part of the interview, what did you take away?

1:35:16

Do they have good numbers? Are they playing

1:35:18

games? What did you think about

1:35:21

those messages? Just raise your hand and we'll bring you

1:35:23

a microphone. I'm right here. In fact,

1:35:25

why don't you stand up so they can find you a

1:35:27

little easier and just say your name and comment or question.

1:35:31

My name's Duff and Dr. Phil,

1:35:33

I wonder in the

1:35:35

polling, who are we polling? We've

1:35:38

got half this nation that's probably paying

1:35:40

no attention whatsoever to

1:35:43

the trials and tribulations that are going on for

1:35:45

this high office in the country. And

1:35:49

I also wonder if in

1:35:51

fact, Mr. Trump doesn't

1:35:53

win, you did good with him in the interview

1:35:55

about this and that's bringing him to a higher level. That

1:54:01

would really make me nervous. But

1:54:04

I do think that

1:54:06

if, look, I grew up

1:54:09

in sports. I

1:54:11

grew up pretty poor. And

1:54:14

so I grew up playing on teams.

1:54:22

And there's something called headship,

1:54:25

and there's something called leadership. And

1:54:28

headship is when somebody is assigned

1:54:31

to be a leader. Somebody just, some

1:54:33

authority comes down and says, this person's in

1:54:35

charge. Leadership

1:54:39

is when somebody builds a

1:54:41

consensus and

1:54:44

that's where they

1:54:47

earn the respect to those around them.

1:54:49

People look to them and it's, I

1:54:54

think one of the biggest compliments Oprah ever

1:54:56

paid me in the years that we

1:54:59

worked together and we're still very good friends. She

1:55:03

said one time, if I'm ever

1:55:05

in a burning building, I'm following

1:55:07

him. She

1:55:09

thought that, she said I was

1:55:12

a clear thinker and action oriented. If

1:55:14

she's ever caught in a burning building, I'm gonna follow

1:55:16

him. And I think

1:55:18

that's the kind of person we

1:55:20

need in

1:55:23

our leadership. Somebody that people

1:55:26

say, if we get in trouble, if we

1:55:28

get in a problem internationally or we have

1:55:31

major disaster or whatever, we need

1:55:33

somebody that can step up and say, hey, forget

1:55:36

everything we were arguing about 10 minutes ago. We

1:55:39

need to all get together right now and pull together

1:55:41

and you can trust me to do what I say

1:55:43

and say what I do. And

1:55:45

they know that that man or woman has

1:55:48

the moral compass to

1:55:50

do that. And

1:55:52

right now, I'm not sure

1:55:54

who that is, but

1:55:57

those people exist. And...

1:58:00

Well, it's, as I said, it was in

1:58:04

phases. Now

1:58:07

we've known each other a long time. Like I said,

1:58:10

not well. We're not like, we

1:58:12

don't barbecue on Sunday afternoons or

1:58:14

anything, but

1:58:17

if we were in the same restaurant together or something,

1:58:19

he would come over and sit down saying with me,

1:58:21

but he walked in the room and

1:58:25

said, it's

1:58:27

gonna be the highest rated interview you've ever had. You

1:58:31

know, just joking around

1:58:33

and stuff. And

1:58:37

like I said, the first part, I

1:58:40

let him do what he did. And

1:58:43

then when I

1:58:45

said, okay, I'm

1:58:48

gonna start asking some questions now. How

1:58:51

do you deal with the stress of all of this? Then

1:58:55

what's the impact on your family? Is it

1:58:57

worth it? Started getting into

1:58:59

those things. That's

1:59:01

when I started seeing where he was, where

1:59:05

he was in his mind, where he

1:59:07

was in his heart, where he was

1:59:09

in, you know, just really his conviction

1:59:11

and moral compass. And I came

1:59:14

away with a feeling that he's been pretty battered

1:59:19

and bruised through this process, but

1:59:22

that he's convicted to

1:59:24

do this. And, you know, he

1:59:27

comes across, you know,

1:59:30

in a way that sounds like braggadocious when

1:59:33

he says, you know, I know Putin, I

1:59:35

know T, I know Zelensky, I know, and

1:59:38

he does, he just

1:59:40

feels the need to say it, but he really

1:59:42

does. And I think

1:59:45

they do respect slash

1:59:47

fear that he'll

1:59:50

pull the financial rug out from under him. He'll

1:59:52

do this, he'll do that. But

1:59:55

I don't think that as

1:59:58

I was listening to him And when I talk to him

2:00:00

about, you

2:00:03

need to not go on a revenge tour, a

2:00:05

retribution tour here. I

2:00:08

think he's still gonna make noise about that. But

2:00:11

like Hillary Clinton, lock her up, he

2:00:14

never did. He

2:00:16

made a lot of noise about it, but he never did. He

2:00:19

never did anything to move in that direction. He

2:00:21

says he's gonna lock up everybody on

2:00:24

January 6th that was moving there.

2:00:27

I don't see that happening. I

2:00:31

think I made a dent in him. And

2:00:33

I'll probably talk to him again and I'll keep

2:00:36

going. And I think he'll think about that.

2:00:43

Typically if you accuse somebody, from what I know of

2:00:46

psychology, if you call somebody a

2:00:48

liar and they're not, they're mad and they're angry and

2:00:50

they do want that revenge and they do wanna make

2:00:52

sure they set their record straight and they do get

2:00:54

animated, however, if you tell somebody

2:00:56

that they're a liar and they're not, they'll

2:00:59

laugh it off and be dismissive and it's

2:01:01

funny. So it seems like what was once

2:01:03

subjective in our society is now

2:01:05

objective and now what is objective is subjective. And

2:01:07

what we're seeing is a true response of somebody

2:01:09

who's been attacked since 2015 and

2:01:13

he's literally fighting because he is so

2:01:15

mad at that perception. Well,

2:01:17

if you falsely accuse somebody, they're

2:01:19

gonna be hot under the collar from day

2:01:22

one, minute one. Now he may be,

2:01:25

he's probably hit a fatigue level. He's been

2:01:27

under attack for so long, but

2:01:30

generally speaking, when

2:01:33

somebody is falsely accused, they're

2:01:36

gonna be a hot tamale from the day

2:01:39

one, minute one. They're not gonna like it at

2:01:41

all. Talk to me. Sure, sure. One

2:01:43

of the things we know is when you falsely accuse somebody,

2:01:46

their chin comes up, they expose all

2:01:48

this weakness, they get defiant because they're

2:01:50

angry at being wrongfully accused and they're

2:01:52

demonstrative. There's anger, there's all kinds of

2:01:54

stuff going on. When a person laughs

2:01:56

it off, you should be suspicious. Yeah.

2:02:02

Okay, last question here and then we'll go. You

2:02:05

had a comment? Go ahead, go ahead and then

2:02:07

we'll start here. Okay, I just wanted to ask

2:02:09

you, it could have been my imagination. Say your

2:02:11

name. Rita. But I felt

2:02:13

like from the very beginning, I felt a

2:02:16

certain, it was something I didn't expect from

2:02:18

him. He seemed so grateful to you for

2:02:21

taking the time to actually give

2:02:23

him the time to interview him.

2:02:26

And it surprised me actually because I

2:02:28

don't think I've ever seen a side

2:02:30

of Donald Trump that was ever humble

2:02:32

before. But he actually looked at

2:02:34

you with such gratitude that he felt

2:02:36

like that you were on his side

2:02:39

and that he had someone who he

2:02:41

respected obviously that you had given him

2:02:44

his ear, your ear. And it

2:02:46

was obvious that he thought that you were going

2:02:48

to be fair and give him a fair shot

2:02:50

at explaining what he had to say. Well,

2:02:53

if you think about

2:02:55

most of the interviews that he does, he's

2:02:57

either completely under attack

2:03:01

or he's being sucked up to. And

2:03:05

I don't do either one. And

2:03:09

we've known each other a long time and he knows, I'm

2:03:11

going to let him tell his story, but I am going

2:03:13

to ask him the questions. Like

2:03:16

when I asked him the why question and

2:03:19

he went off on one of his walkabouts,

2:03:24

I came back to, okay, now answer my question. Why?

2:03:26

Why do you subject yourself to this? Why