0:00

30 seconds. Did you ever think

0:02

you would make it? I feel

0:04

I'm so... It's like it takes sweet

0:06

victory. I know this life

0:08

meant for me. Yeah,

0:11

why would you bet on Goliath when we got Bet

0:13

David? Value payment, giving values

0:15

contagious. This world of entrepreneurs, we get

0:17

no value to haters. I didn't run, homie, look

0:19

what I've become. I'm the one. Okay,

0:24

so who's ruined

0:24

many people's lives the last 20 years? Let's

0:29

make a list, okay? If

0:32

we were to say who's ruined many people's lives the last 20 years, we can put

0:34

FBI there, we can put CIA

0:36

there, we

0:40

can put Clinton's there, we can put

0:42

CDC there, we

0:43

can put NIH there, you know,

0:46

we can put China there, we can put Fauci there, we

0:48

can put World Economic Forum there, we

0:51

can put, you know, you

0:54

realize where I'm going with this. We can put

0:57

Biden's family there, we can put McConnell,

0:59

we can

1:01

put so many names on this list,

1:03

right? Every one of

1:05

those guys hate Trump.

1:09

Every one of them hate Trump. Why? Well,

1:12

um...

1:15

Hmm. Exactly. Yeah,

1:18

but I don't think it's necessarily because, again, you

1:20

know, I think, again, the American public,

1:23

maybe it's Hollywood for a long time sees

1:25

things as kind of black and white. Oh, if,

1:27

you know, all the bad guys are against this guy, he

1:29

must be good. I don't, I think the real world doesn't

1:31

really function like that a lot. You know, by the time

1:34

you get to sort of be, rise to that

1:35

level to an extent, you

1:38

have to, you know, have made deals in

1:40

the past that aren't necessarily... I

1:42

don't disagree. You know what I mean? No, I

1:44

don't disagree. And like Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn,

1:46

insanely dirty. Of course. Insanely

1:48

dirty, you know? And a lot of, you know, the art

1:50

of the deal, he learned that from Cohn. You

1:53

know, and Cohn had learned it from Generoso Pope, who

1:55

was like this Italian, very close

1:57

friend of Frank Costello.

1:59

the guy that ran the cement industry, concrete

2:02

industry in New York. But everybody in the... It's

2:04

dirty. That's what... No, it's not

2:06

dirty. There's difference between... No? No,

2:09

there's difference between dirty. No, I disagree. What

2:11

I'm trying to... Okay, so for example, this is where I'm going with

2:13

this. To me, I

2:15

have a lot of people that you

2:17

would say are dirty. Okay?

2:20

And somebody could make a very clear argument that

2:22

these people based on their past are dirty. Okay?

2:25

And I've spent a lot of hours with these guys.

2:28

Mm-hmm.

2:28

And I sit down with them and I say, so tell me what

2:31

happened that one time when... And I, well,

2:33

let me tell you what happened. When we

2:35

were in the room, Paul Castellano, he did this and then

2:37

all of a sudden, God, he said this and that and I'm going, oh

2:39

wow, okay, got it. So hey, when

2:41

yourself, when you were in this situation and this

2:43

one guy that was robbing banks,

2:45

we had him on the thing, I'm like, when you were doing this and

2:48

why did you do this and how did the bank fall for

2:50

this and how were you able to do this? Okay,

2:52

so how do we defend against that, right? So

2:55

even right now, for example, you know, one of

2:57

the biggest reasons why Big Pharma is doing

2:59

what it's doing and it's taking advantage of people in America

3:01

is because the patent laws that we have. This

3:04

whole hatchman and wax, I think it's the one

3:06

of the senator from Utah, is a Republican and

3:08

the other congressman is from

3:10

California who's a Democrat. They come together,

3:12

they lower the, what

3:14

do you call it, the patent law to 14 years

3:17

and then in 1994 under Clinton,

3:19

they raised it to 20 years and

3:21

these insurance

3:24

companies come out with medication

3:25

and they can sell it for 20 years patent,

3:27

nobody else can compete with them and the

3:29

price point, one of the drugs we looked at, Vinny,

3:32

the price point of what they sold and then

3:35

the year when,

3:36

what do you call it, when the patent

3:38

expired, within three years,

3:41

the price of the medicine dropped 98.5%.

3:45

Let me say this one more time. It went from $1,000 to $15,

3:48

okay,

3:49

because

3:51

now everybody could compete in the marketplace of

3:53

Virginia. So you look at these laws, you're like, okay,

3:56

so I can see why Big Pharma would negotiate

3:58

and hire lobbyists to go. go in there to pass the law

4:01

to extend the patent for 20 years and

4:03

then figure out other ways. Some of

4:05

them are extending them for another 29 years, 39 years. Okay,

4:08

that's dirty. Let's figure out where to negotiate these

4:10

policies.

4:11

What I'm asking about here is, these

4:14

are all the top 10 list

4:17

of organizations that are the

4:19

ones that have destroyed America the most, divided

4:21

us the most, had us fighting against

4:24

each other. All of these guys hate

4:27

the Orange Hair. So why is that?

4:31

Well I think, I guess I would say

4:33

two things. In my

4:36

opinion, I think more than anything

4:38

else, these guys, more than they hate Trump,

4:40

I think they hate Trump's base more than

4:42

they hate Trump specifically. And

4:45

I would argue that because of the war on domestic

4:47

terror infrastructure being set up expressly

4:49

to target

4:50

people in that base and also anyone

4:52

that has sort of nationalist, a

4:56

nationalist bent, I would guess. And

4:59

Trump obviously postures

5:02

as being nationalist, and I don't think they like

5:04

that, and pushing to bring industry back to

5:06

the US, all of that stuff. The decision was

5:08

made explicitly by the people who actually

5:10

run America to move industry out

5:13

of the US many decades ago. They do not want

5:15

to bring it back. They

5:17

don't. And I

5:19

think if a lot of these people, like I mentioned earlier,

5:22

have this goal of making this global

5:24

economy, and a lot of that has since been wrapped into

5:26

agenda 2030 and the people

5:29

actually developing those policies, I don't

5:33

think they want a nationalist guy. There's

5:35

an effort globally to really vilify nationalism.

5:37

It doesn't matter if it's Trump, it's also Bolsonaro and

5:39

Brazil or whatever. And I don't think you have to like

5:42

them, but I think the reason they're so

5:44

against them is because they want to

5:46

vilify nationalism.

5:48

If I have to choose

5:50

between nationalism, and what's the

5:52

opposite of nationalism? Globalism.

5:55

Internationalism. Okay, exactly. Internationalism.

5:58

If I have to choose between being proud of my head.

5:59

heritage, my country, my land, and

6:02

everybody else around the world,

6:04

give me a good argument for

6:06

that being a bad thing. It's about

6:08

sovereignty, I think, though, at the end of the day. Because

6:11

when you remove national sovereignty,

6:13

then the people actually running the show are even

6:16

more unaccountable.

6:16

Yeah, so they'll use nationalism

6:18

to link it to Germany. But again, so here's what I want to... But

6:21

that's what has been going on, right? Trump is literally

6:23

Hitler. Putin's literally Hitler. If people fall for

6:25

their night, but let's kind of go to this. The

6:28

closest president I can find to

6:30

Trump, closest family, I

6:32

can see to Trump is John F. Kennedy, closest.

6:35

I think those two to me are very close.

6:38

Neither one of them have a nice resume.

6:41

They've done some stuff in the past, Kennedy, all that

6:43

stuff. But both of them, the people

6:45

of power, like the Lyndon Johnson, the Hoover,

6:47

the CIA, those guys hated

6:50

Kennedy. The same

6:52

people hate Trump. Trump

6:54

and Kennedy politically, believe it or not, are more

6:57

similar. Kennedy was a proud

6:59

Second Amendment NRA member today. Kennedy

7:01

is not a Democrat, but it's a hero to a lot

7:04

of Democrats. So what I watch, where's the following?

7:06

Here's a question for you, Whitney. The question for

7:08

you is this. What institution

7:11

has hurt America that

7:14

loves Trump? Yeah,

7:21

that would probably take some thinking to do. At least in the US,

7:23

it's pretty clear that by this point, I think- That's a good

7:25

question. You understand what I'm asking? I want you to

7:27

think about it. What institution, what institution

7:30

that hates America, that's hurt

7:32

America, loves Trump? I

7:36

can't even think of one. I want you to think about it because

7:38

you're more able to kind of see

7:41

it from the other side. What institution

7:44

that has hurt

7:46

America the last 20 years, loves and supports

7:48

Trump? Not from that

7:50

list that you said, from the foul cheese to the quiz. Can you tell

7:52

me another one? Maybe I'm not thinking about anybody else. I can't even

7:54

think of one.

7:55

It's a great question. I guess, here's

7:57

the thing that really concerns me about Trump as it

7:59

relates to national-

7:59

sovereignty. Recently he did an interview

8:02

and he said something about

8:04

about Israel, about how Israel essentially

8:07

he said it controls Congress and

8:09

how he thought that was a good thing.

8:11

Okay so regardless of how

8:13

you feel about Israel Zionism the US-Israel

8:15

relationship I do not think it's a good sign

8:18

to have your nationalist politicians say a

8:21

foreign power rightfully

8:23

unduly influences our national Congress.

8:26

But if you look at the history there

8:28

are Israeli espionage operations

8:31

that have happened. No question. Jonathan Pollard is probably

8:33

the best well-known where that

8:36

gravely undermined US national security

8:38

and I think those institutions support

8:40

Trump but they're not

8:41

actually. I can give an argument to give me

8:43

one more. Go one more, go two more,

8:45

go three more. Adam you're here what are you thinking? You're

8:47

saying that institutions that give

8:50

me any institutions or individuals

8:52

that have hurt America that love Trump. I'm

8:55

actually curious. By the way if you're watching this comment

8:58

below and hash debate each other I'm really curious.

9:01

I don't know all the institutions this isn't my world.

9:03

I mean from the FBI. This is you research

9:06

your you you've been following politics for a good 20

9:08

years

9:09

you know you're in it what is Rob yourself

9:12

what what institution I'm actually curious right now

9:15

what institution that's made our lives

9:17

worse that made people stay home

9:20

during COVID that force

9:22

people to do shit they don't want to do. Okay

9:24

about COVID though Trump still is

9:27

really into operation warp speed

9:29

and what that produced. Okay. Declines to distance

9:31

himself from any sort of the

9:33

vaccine

9:34

stuff. Fine so use that one that's one

9:36

so let's so he

9:37

operation warp speed that you try to speed

9:40

up getting vaccine but the reality

9:42

is Pfizer didn't announce that they got the vaccine two

9:44

days after the election which didn't help them anyways.

9:46

Yeah but what I'm saying

9:48

is I don't I don't think that is

9:51

that hurt Americans it was not a good idea

9:53

to put the military specifically DARPA people

9:56

in charge of that who have sort of DARPA

9:58

tends to have sort of this matter.

11:54

example

12:01

and personally I would challenge Trump on that when

12:03

it comes to the America First stuff but at the same time

12:05

when you're talking about the

12:07

you know the Republican Party

12:09

one out of 20 institutions you just mentioned

12:11

that's fine but in terms

12:14

of undermining the claim of America First

12:16

I think that is something that he definitely needs

12:18

to address what I like that you do I'm

12:21

not you you're you're the pro here

12:23

you're in the world that you are and that you go in

12:25

and you find stuff right that's your job you're very

12:27

good at it I would be very curious

12:30

if you went

12:32

and you investigated the

12:35

one guy that was assassinated and

12:37

the other guy that was character assassinated

12:40

in ways no one's ever been character assassinated

12:42

before why is that why are

12:44

those two families feared as

12:46

much as they were feared is it because

12:48

they were doing so many side deals I don't think so

12:51

no no so so that's my so what I'm trying

12:53

to find that is because think about this here's what we want to

12:55

do

12:56

there's two ways to to

12:59

to would we like

13:01

to see more people who

13:03

love America that are not willing to

13:06

bend their backs for anybody and

13:08

negotiate anything just to be invited

13:10

to those cool parties okay yeah obviously

13:12

that would be better but is Trump that guy

13:15

I'm not saying if Trump is that guy what I'm saying but but

13:17

here's what I'm saying to you I'm saying go

13:19

investigate him and go

13:22

write something on him and Kennedy link

13:24

those two families and then rate them

13:27

write whatever dirt or anything

13:29

you want to find but then also ask why

13:32

do these organizations if we

13:34

were to rank okay if we were to rank the last 60 years 1964 1963 till

13:36

today let's go November of 1963 till

13:41

today right that's 60 years from

13:44

the last 60 years from your perspective

13:47

give me the five agencies

13:49

individuals

13:51

organizations that have destroyed

13:53

America the most the five the top five

13:55

man really

13:57

putting me on the spot I mean no I'm not saying you know

13:59

exactly what the top five but in your opinion what do you think

14:01

are the top five? Um, alright. It's

14:04

um, well I guess it's pretty broad.

14:07

A lot of corporate America

14:09

would be up there for sure. Can you give a name,

14:11

specific name? Multinational corporations. Big

14:14

Pharma, IBM,

14:16

a lot of the big tech companies

14:19

then and now for sure.

14:21

Okay, Big Pharma, IBM. Building this transnational

14:23

power structure ultimately at the end of the day. Right,

14:26

who else? I'd like to throw the Fed in there. Okay. Federal Reserve?

14:28

Yeah. Okay. Who

14:30

else? Or you can just broaden that and make it banks. The

14:32

big banks. Okay. Central banks

14:34

are the biggest banks, right? Commercial, corporate.

14:36

I got all that together. What else would you say? Definitely

14:39

the CIA. Definitely the CIA. Department of Justice.

14:41

Would you put DOJ over FBI? Like how,

14:43

who, how would? Well DOJ oversees the FBI technically,

14:46

right? Yeah, okay. So let's put the DOJ

14:48

So let's put DOJ and FBI together. How about

14:50

Who else? Lobbyists. Yeah, but lobbyists

14:53

are revolving door on the payroll stuff. She's right. So ultimately

14:55

that's the corporate side subverting the public

14:57

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Definitely. You want to put those guys? Okay, like the military

16:24

industrial complex? In terms of that military

16:27

industrial complex, in terms of how people think

16:29

of that, I would say the contractors.

16:32

General dynamics, insanely

16:34

corrupt. That's the Crown family I mentioned

16:36

earlier. They run that, insanely corrupt.

16:39

Lester Crown, the Pentagon tried to get his security

16:41

clearance revoked three times.

16:44

And they couldn't do it because higher ups

16:46

kept shutting it down. So perfect, let's do this. Let's

16:48

stay on this. This is very helpful, let's continue. Because I

16:50

think this is good. So we got big pharma, we got

16:53

IBM, we got Fed. We got

16:55

big banks. I would say big

16:57

tech is better. Okay, big tech.

17:00

Then we said CIA, DOJ, FBA

17:02

combined together. Military industrial

17:04

complex, fine. Now give

17:06

me individuals. What families,

17:09

names, the last 60 years, since

17:12

November of, to November of 1963.

17:16

Not 22nd, since November

17:18

1st of 1963.

17:20

Till today, which top families

17:23

have destroyed America the most? Okay, Rockefellers,

17:25

number one, probably.

17:26

Who else? After that, I'd

17:29

put the Chicago families up there. The Crowns

17:31

and the Pritzkers. I'd probably put them together. Yeah.

17:34

Chicago got it, who else? All

17:38

right, the opioid crisis, the Sacklers.

17:41

Okay, the Sacklers? Because that, I mean, not

17:44

enough people talk about that. But that you could sort of

17:46

rope into big pharma. Like some of the big

17:49

companies that are tied to suspect stuff going

17:51

on with the anthrax attacks and also with COVID

17:53

stuff. Emergent BioSolutions,

17:57

they make a killing off of selling Narcan.

17:59

They have a money. monopoly on Narcan too. So we got

18:01

three, Rockefeller, the Chicago,

18:03

the Pritzker, you put them together, the Opioid, the

18:06

Sacklers, who else? Well,

18:09

again, I think when you're talking

18:11

about banking interest, a lot of these tend to

18:13

be transnational. You have some of these old

18:15

money banks from Europe. Give

18:18

me names, family. Rothchild.

18:21

Yeah, I'd probably put the Rothschilds on there for sure, but

18:23

they openly made an alliance with the Rockefellers

18:26

not that long ago. Who else? These

18:29

are just families? Probably talking about individuals like Henry Kissinger.

18:32

Names, families. It could be Kissinger, Clinton,

18:34

Biden, people who have sold America.

18:36

Well, Kissinger sold America out, definitely.

18:38

I'm here because of Kissinger.

18:40

You know that. Oh, really? I'm

18:43

from Iran. Kissinger was supposed to help Iran.

18:45

The Shah, he did it in the last minute. The

18:47

Shah fell and then catastrophic issues

18:49

happened. Khomeini shows up. Anyways,

18:52

that's a whole different story. So Kissinger, who

18:54

else would you put us top for?

18:58

What are the names that we want to say? Do we want to

19:00

say Johnson, Lyndon Johnson? Yeah, the Bushes,

19:02

the Clintons, for sure, but they're ICU

19:04

and the S Who?

19:07

Dulles? Dulles?

19:08

Yeah, Allen Dulles. Or Sullivan and Cromwell,

19:10

which is their law firm that they ran forever. That could

19:12

be a huge list. Okay,

19:15

so you don't have Clinton or Biden Sierra at all.

19:17

You don't think they're dead in full? I would think the Clintons, Bushes,

19:19

Bidens, they ... Yeah. You

19:22

put all of them together. Okay.

19:24

They're

19:24

different sides of just the same crime scene, especially

19:27

the Bushes and the Clintons. There's too much weird

19:29

stuff around them, especially when you look at things like Iran

19:32

Contra. Like I mentioned earlier, Bush covered

19:34

for Mark Middleton. They like step in

19:36

for

19:36

each other when they need to. So here's my question. You

19:38

ready? All right. So here we go.

19:41

Okay. Which one of these

19:43

loves Trump? Yeah, I don't

19:46

think they do. That's the point. The point

19:48

I'm trying to make to you today

19:50

is I would love ... because I do

19:52

so many different things right now. I wish I had time

19:54

to do investigative journalism. I just don't have the luxury

19:57

to do it right now. Okay. But that's why

19:59

I love for somebody

19:59

like you, who if this interests

20:02

you and if you're inspired by it, go

20:04

do those two families. Sure, but I do

20:06

think you know if you're talking about Trump specifically,

20:09

you know I do think he has some conflicts

20:11

of interest and has for a long

20:12

time. Sure, I don't disagree. Yeah,

20:14

so you know at the end of the day if

20:17

the issue is

20:18

let's stop the vilification

20:21

of nationalism, let's make moves to

20:23

protect our national sovereignty, I think that

20:25

has to be mass movement

20:27

from the American public because

20:30

you know I see what you're saying but at the same time I

20:32

think so many people in the United States whether

20:34

it's been instilled in them through education

20:37

or culture or whatever seem

20:40

to think that as long as we get the right guy in

20:42

the White House everything's gonna magically fix

20:44

itself in this country and I do not think that

20:46

is possible. You know believe

20:48

what you want to believe about Trump, he came in and

20:50

you know 2016 with great intentions and

20:54

all of that if you want to believe that I don't necessarily

20:56

believe that but if you do you know he wasn't

20:58

able to do that

20:59

why? One guy can't fix it. You

21:01

know Robert F Kennedy Jr. running right now you

21:03

know he's obviously very different than a lot of these

21:05

guys. Do you think if he got in he could fix

21:08

it all? I you know I think the problem

21:10

is so big at this point and that

21:12

so many of these institutions we've been naming off it's

21:14

the it's the most powerful institutions

21:17

in the US government. You know they said before

21:19

you know like with Nixon and Watergate oh it's

21:21

just you know some rotten apples in the barrel but keep

21:23

the barrel.

21:24

I'm telling you the barrel is rotten

21:27

and the only way we can fix that in this

21:29

country is that people have to realize

21:31

that and people have to start taking responsibility

21:33

for

21:34

their own lives. But what does that mean though? That's a good motivational

21:36

speech but what does that mean? Here's what it means.

21:38

What is what is so what do you need

21:41

to be self-sufficient as a community as

21:43

an individual as a family?

21:44

Not relying on the government. Not but also

21:46

multinational corporations right

21:49

we have outsourced from our communities from

21:51

our country almost everything we produce to

21:53

foreign powers that don't like us right

21:55

or we're in you know trillions of dollars

21:58

in debt to our ostensible main

21:59

So I would argue that's because

22:02

we have our government, corporations,

22:04

but the American people have co-signed it because they've

22:06

been told this is more convenient, this will be cheaper,

22:09

blah, blah, blah, outsourced. So

22:11

much of what we need to survive as a people,

22:13

as communities, as families, to

22:17

people that don't like us. And that's not necessarily

22:19

just China here, right? That's these corporations,

22:22

these elite families that own

22:25

most of corporate America and the banks and what have you. They

22:27

don't like the little people.

22:28

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22:58

So I agree. I think the challenge

23:01

is a couple of different things. One is

23:03

we think one person can save America. When

23:05

is the next Kennedy? When is the next Reagan going to

23:07

be here? It's us. I fully agree with you.

23:10

I agree with you. But I think people like

23:12

you are very important. I think we need

23:14

to protect people like you because I

23:16

think people like you are a gem. We

23:18

need more of you. It takes a lot of courage

23:21

and sacrifice in your personal life to

23:23

want to study these types of topics. This

23:25

is not an easy job and profession

23:27

you've chosen. I salute

23:28

you for the job that you do. To me, it's

23:30

a form of public service. And

23:33

we're not paying taxes for a person like you. You're independent.

23:35

You're doing this for us. We thank you for it. You're very

23:37

important. I think individually we need to

23:39

stop relying on the government. So I think one

23:41

of the things that is anybody that pushed

23:44

a lot of entitlements the last 60 years and got more

23:46

Americans to be relying on the government, I think

23:48

they screwed America as well. They got people not to

23:51

realize what their capabilities are.

23:53

That's perfect. But the problem here

23:55

for me,

23:56

what I think immediately, those are long

23:59

term. solutions for us to

24:01

become independent, responsible, not

24:04

relying on government and take care of ourselves.

24:06

I get it. But

24:08

I also think this person we're looking at

24:10

to be able to get in there and do the work is

24:13

not going to be a person

24:15

that looks and walks and

24:17

talks the way you want that person. Well,

24:19

sure. But here's what I worry about too with the 2024 election. Given how

24:21

the other elections have been,

24:24

what's going to stop either side from being fraud,

24:27

right? Or Russia get 2.0

24:30

or some other kind of thing. Well

24:33

the thing is our elections, the

24:35

legitimacy of them is already questioned

24:38

by a massive portion of the country

24:39

after 2020. No, but both sides have

24:41

been Clinton asking 2016. No, I know. But you flip

24:43

it the other side, it'll be the other side again.

24:46

You know what I mean? That's something both of them

24:48

do. And we just have to accept the fact that when people, you

24:50

know, NFL, well, they cheated, that's who won the suit. Okay,

24:53

got it. No problem. But let's

24:54

say Trump gets in the national security

24:56

state and all these other institutions hate

24:58

him, right? And they'll put their weight

25:00

behind the fraud claim. What happens then?

25:03

To say what? They cheated to do? Oh

25:05

yeah, that there was cheating, that there was whatever, foreign

25:07

interference, blah, blah, blah. No, we don't know

25:09

if it's going to happen. But my concern is I think

25:12

we have already really started

25:14

to move away from democracy, that

25:17

we are currently living in illusion

25:19

of democracy and illusion of public choice.

25:20

I'd like to see us go back to the republic where the individual

25:22

is protected because right now the individual is not protected

25:24

from the majority. But think about the DNC, even in the primaries

25:26

with Bernie Sanders. Yeah, they're cheating him.

25:28

I mean, they screwed him. Totally.

25:31

He was the guy that... And now they're saying they won't even

25:33

have a debate in the democratic

25:35

primary because RFK Jr. against

25:37

Biden, he's going to get... So

25:38

what's your solution though? What's your solution? So

25:41

for example, you're saying, what if we get this person Trump wins

25:43

and DeSantis wins? Okay, what if we get RFK

25:45

that wins? What if we get, you know, Biden that

25:47

wins? We know what's going to happen if Biden wins, right? We

25:50

know what's going... But if Trump wins and he

25:52

goes in or DeSantis win, he goes in, there's

25:54

a difference between those two winning. If Trump

25:56

wins and he goes in, they're

25:58

going to try to do everything.

25:59

they can and everything's been false. Durham

26:02

report, you know, the recent thing, Clinton's

26:04

involvement, Obama's involvement. There's

26:06

so many things that have been proven that

26:09

were fake, the credibility is huge. But

26:11

what's been done?

26:12

Where's the accountability?

26:14

From whose end? His end? From anyone's end.

26:16

All these people, I mean, the stuff that has been,

26:19

these people have gotten away with in an

26:21

actual election interference.

26:22

Are you kidding me? Like, you know who was enemy

26:24

to state number one when Trump was president? No,

26:27

I'm not talking, I'm talking about like the Russiagate

26:29

stuff. Oh, yeah. And I don't think I

26:31

don't think I think honestly, those

26:33

guys are morons if they keep doing that, because that business

26:35

model is not working for them. They keep losing money when they do

26:37

that. They're

26:38

not creative either. I mean, the point is let

26:40

them do that. They have

26:42

they have no moral authority. Democrats,

26:45

this guy was a guy that believed in the Russia

26:47

stuff.

26:48

First time him and I spoke when I was going to bring them here

26:50

to be with us on the team, I didn't know if I was ready for a guy like

26:52

this.

26:53

I question, like, what do you think about this? Can you reason?

26:55

Are you able to do this? Well, I think I said, what do you think

26:57

about the Russia deal? Eventually, he came in and

26:59

now he reads it. He says, I can't believe they did this. So

27:02

and he's a guy

27:03

that is a worker, he's independent, he doesn't

27:05

rely on the government, he takes care of himself, he's done very

27:08

well for himself. And now he's sitting

27:10

there saying, I don't know if I like I'm not a Trump

27:12

guy, but I don't know what they're doing here. There

27:14

is more people in his camp. Sure.

27:17

And then I just submit one thing, we talked about

27:19

this list of institutions that have basically

27:21

harmed America. The number

27:24

one item on this list that we left

27:26

out is the media and mainstream

27:28

media and the lies and the narratives that they told

27:30

the American public. And I'm

27:33

the type of person that prides myself on digesting

27:35

a whole appetite of media, especially

27:38

now. But

27:40

there's a there's a wide swath of Americans

27:43

that are just basically just peripherally

27:45

reading the news. Yeah, I guess it's Russiagate thing. Yep.

27:47

I guess the generous six thing, I guess

27:49

the Dominion thing. It's like we

27:52

don't have time to basically pick

27:54

apart each of these stories. We're all not Whitney

27:56

web, we can diagnose all these wild

27:58

different stories and just accumulate. them and diagnose

28:00

them, most people are like, yeah, I guess there's a Russia

28:03

thing going on. Boom.

28:03

Here's what concerns me though. So

28:06

based on what you guys have been saying, and it's very true,

28:08

collapse in mainstream media is collapsing.

28:11

And we're in a very different position now than 2016 or

28:14

really any other time as far as that

28:16

metric is concerned. But what

28:18

concerns me is that, okay, so

28:21

with COVID, you had this huge push to turn everything,

28:23

move everything to the digital sphere, right? And

28:26

at the same time, you're trying to move everyone, everything,

28:28

all stuff online, but you're also making this big

28:31

push to control what's online. Yeah.

28:33

And so you're having this push to

28:36

censor, you know, Twitter files touched

28:38

on that, obviously, and there's this talk from like Matt

28:40

Taibbi and others about the censorship industrial complex.

28:43

That is a very real thing. And,

28:45

you know, for someone like me, the threat of censorship

28:48

is very real, you know, I did real factual

28:51

reporting on stuff going on with COVID-19,

28:54

and I lost my Patreon.

28:56

They admitted that there was nothing untrue

29:00

in the report they censored me for, but

29:02

they thought it might affect vaccine uptake.

29:04

And so they took away

29:05

all my money. Well, what it doesn't just all come

29:07

down to one word, which is control. It

29:10

doesn't want to control what you say, they want to control you spend your

29:12

money that we're going to show your social credit

29:14

score. So this is why I mentioned

29:16

there's this push into these digital systems, everything's

29:18

going to be online or on the cloud or whatever.

29:20

And at the same time, they're controlling,

29:23

they're making an unprecedented push for

29:25

control over that digital sphere. So we're

29:27

being herded to a place and they're creating

29:29

all of these all of this infrastructure to control

29:31

what we can see in here, once we're all

29:34

stuck there, essentially. So you

29:36

have collapse and trust of mainstream media. The

29:38

goal, it seems like is to take out everyone that won't

29:41

say what mainstream media says. And at the same time,

29:43

you're having mainstream

29:44

media creepingly being replaced by

29:47

chat GPT and things like that. They're

29:49

saying that by 2025, 90% of all the

29:51

content, media content online

29:53

is going to be chat GPT generated. So

29:56

you don't have regular people

29:57

telling you what to say, how are people going to know what's real?

29:59

and what's not at that point. And now there's

30:02

all this talk of deep fakes, A.I. art has

30:04

gone into this new era. You can make

30:06

anyone with A.I. art be in a picture with Jeffrey

30:08

Epstein, you know what I mean? So, this is

30:10

a really unprecedented situation. And to think

30:13

that these institutions we've been listing

30:15

off those actors wouldn't go

30:17

throw the kitchen sink at us

30:19

to get what they want. I think that might

30:21

be kind of naive to think that because they're

30:24

making a total push for control

30:26

and they're gonna put out all the stops because if

30:28

they don't get it, they lose, right? And

30:30

stuff will start to come out. They don't

30:32

want that to happen, you know? So, this

30:35

is, they're giving it their all and

30:38

I don't think they're gonna win at the end of the day, but how much

30:40

damage do they cause?

30:41

But they're gonna have plenty of damage. Well,

30:44

and I was gonna say, cause Pat,

30:47

I think it was the podcast with Giuliani and

30:49

them where we were talking about the hope and having

30:51

hope and having faith, not losing all

30:53

that hope, but just from everything that we talked about, when you

30:55

from Epstein to these guys, it's like, are

30:57

we wasting our time? I 100% appreciate

31:00

getting it out there, getting the word out there, but are

31:02

we wasting our time in the sense that these people have

31:04

set up the pieces of the game where no matter

31:07

what, we could literally just, like the whole

31:09

Durham report came out. FBI,

31:11

Department of Justice, Obama administration, Hillary,

31:14

they all peddled this lie. The whole Russia, it was

31:16

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Hillary's gonna walk free, nothing happens, are

31:55

we just wasting our time with all these, all

31:57

these just

31:58

evil players? Cause at the end of the day, what? What

32:00

really happens to them?

32:01

Yeah, so the lack of accountability

32:04

thing is a major problem. And again, I

32:06

think the main issue we need to be looking here is public

32:08

trust, right? There's no public trust in the media.

32:11

The public trust of institutions is dwindling.

32:14

But what do those institutions do when they realize

32:16

no one trusts them anymore?

32:18

They double down. And they're not gonna give up control

32:20

easily, you know what I mean? So

32:22

what are they planning to do?

32:25

And this is why I always go back to this

32:27

stuff that's been set up by the Biden administration,

32:29

but it's antecedent scope before Biden, this

32:31

war on domestic terror infrastructure. All

32:34

of the people that were counter terror experts

32:36

and developing AI to hunt insurgents in Iraq

32:38

are now developing AI and policies

32:41

to go after regular Americans that

32:44

are accused of domestic terror. And

32:46

if you read the policy papers from the Biden

32:48

administration, their definition of what

32:50

is a domestic terrorist is extremely broad.

32:53

It's extremely broad. It includes

32:55

people who don't like, even

32:57

on the left, the advance of multinational

33:00

corporations and global capitalism

33:02

and stuff, are people who are perceived as being

33:05

too anti-authority and too anti-government.

33:07

Or

33:07

parents speaking up at school board meetings saying

33:09

they don't want their kids learning about sex

33:12

and they're yelling at those meetings. They're like, oh, you're a domestic

33:14

terrorist.

33:14

So the problem is, how are

33:17

they trying to do this? It's with AI, it's with

33:20

data mining off of social media. I

33:22

would say if people really want to shut

33:25

down this machine, get off of legacy social

33:27

media.

33:28

Okay, yeah. But

33:29

again, I know that's

33:31

hard for people because people are so into

33:33

it. And like me as a journalist, a lot of people won't read my

33:35

stuff if I don't use it and blah, blah, blah. But

33:38

you have to look at what they're setting

33:40

up and they wouldn't be setting

33:42

up this war on domestic terror infrastructure

33:44

where it could be you unless they were

33:46

planning to use it at some point. And all

33:48

they need, Bill Barr said it a

33:51

few years ago when he was attorney general. He

33:54

was talking about getting a backdoor in encryption,

33:56

eliminating essentially any sort of privacy-enhancing

33:59

technology

33:59

for the

33:59

public, he was saying at some point

34:02

there's going to be a big event that will

34:04

galvanize public opinion around these issues.

34:06

It sort of reminds me about the PNAC, New

34:08

Pearl Harbor stuff before 9-11, you know? But

34:13

it's true. You have this one crisis that comes

34:15

and there's all this fear, this is the boogeyman, this

34:17

is what we had to do to stop it. Because

34:19

if you think, like I mentioned earlier, we're being herded into

34:21

this corral of the digital

34:24

control grid, I guess, and they're

34:26

trying, you know, and-

34:27

Historically what I think. It's the

34:29

carrot and the stick, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'll totally

34:31

get that, explained very clearly.

34:36

But you

34:38

know the whole thing when some people say, well, you know, what if you

34:40

only had one hour to live, what would you do? Like,

34:43

dude, if I had one hour to live, I wouldn't be here right

34:45

now. Let's stay home. Do that. So

34:49

let me get this straight.

34:50

For the rest of the year, you want me to treat

34:53

my life as if I only have one hour to

34:55

live. Yeah, I'd be home for the entire year.

34:57

So is that what you want me to do? Well, no,

34:59

still be effective, but what if you had one hour to

35:01

live? Dude, I get that. And I've said this myself.

35:04

It's an element of, this is

35:06

why I think I'm working too hard. This is why I'm doing

35:08

this, go to- So there's so many arguments

35:11

with contradictions that we all give. Our

35:13

parents told us, we tell our kids, we

35:16

tell our audience, you know, the media tells us,

35:18

leaders tells us, books tells us, the world

35:20

is filled with a lot of contradictions. And

35:23

somehow, someway, we have to find some

35:26

level of reasonable

35:27

decision for us to make that comes

35:29

with contradictions. For example, you

35:33

notice all things like, well, one

35:35

person's not going to save this and it's not, it's

35:37

got to be us. Okay. I

35:40

think that's partially true.

35:42

Long term, it's got to be us. But

35:45

it was one person that was

35:47

able to have the courage

35:49

to go against Hitler, and

35:52

it wasn't Chamberlain.

35:54

It was another guy named Churchill.

35:56

And if there is no Churchill,

35:58

with the fearlessness that he had.

35:59

No matter how much shit you talk about his past, how

36:02

he was, who he was, husband, you know. If

36:04

there's no Churchill, you and I are probably speaking German

36:06

right now. Or the world will be a different world

36:08

today, okay? Every once

36:11

in a while, during times like this, you

36:13

still have to have somebody speak on your behalf.

36:16

No, I'm not saying that. A lot of people like follow your

36:18

content. They feel like you're speaking

36:20

for them.

36:21

So why do you do so well?

36:23

Because there's millions of people around the world that are

36:26

saying, dude, she's speaking. She's

36:28

me. I feel like she's talking on my behalf. Great.

36:31

I think we need somebody that's going to get

36:33

up there

36:34

and piss a lot of people off. When I see

36:36

candidates that are already

36:38

brokering deals with everybody pre-election,

36:42

I already know that person's not going to do what American needs

36:44

to do today. I already know that person's

36:47

going to get into the White House and they're going to do what? Hey,

36:49

I'm into the White House. I'm this. The

36:53

person to do that, I still do

36:55

believe because

36:56

the angle of just thinking it's us,

36:59

that gets us from that trusting in the voting system

37:02

and even to show up to vote.

37:03

Here's what I mean when I say the

37:06

one-guy thing, one-guy-can't-save-it, because

37:08

what happens is a lot of people feel

37:10

like, oh, as long as I vote for that one guy and he gets

37:12

in, then I don't have to do anything

37:13

anymore. But that's how a lot of

37:15

people react, okay? So I'm not saying

37:18

we shouldn't, you know, that no good to

37:20

call a hitting a good guy or a better

37:22

guy in the White House. You don't, I don't.

37:24

No,

37:24

but there are people that do that. And so that's why I try

37:26

and stress in my work, especially in today's climate.

37:29

I mean, there's this crazy banking crisis going

37:31

on and it's not going to get better before

37:33

it gets worse, right? So what do you

37:35

do tomorrow if you wake up and your

37:38

money's gone, right? What are you going to do? How are

37:40

you going to feed your family? What if the internet

37:42

shut down? I mean, I

37:44

encourage people to think about that type of

37:46

building, that type of resilience in their lives, because

37:49

the less dependent you are in

37:51

the system, the less,

37:52

the harder it is for you to be enslaved by

37:54

that system. You know? So that's what

37:56

I'm trying to say about, you know, personal

37:59

responsibility

37:59

to stop outsourcing your needs to

38:02

these people in this system, right? Would

38:05

it be better to get someone who speaks

38:07

truth to power into the White House? I'm not saying

38:10

that would be bad at all. What I'm saying

38:12

is a lot of people tend to go back to sort

38:14

of armchair activism or political

38:17

seasons over, I'm not gonna fight for my rights anymore

38:19

because now I've got the guy up there.

38:20

I do think you need

38:22

somebody to speak on your behalf. Yeah,

38:25

sure, but the problem is a lot of people

38:28

to not do anything, you know what I

38:30

mean? The reality is the pretto theory

38:32

has been around for a while. The 80-20 rule, 80%

38:34

is not gonna do anything anyway. So we're not relying

38:37

on the 80% to do something. I've

38:39

been part of the 80% when I was trying to get everybody

38:41

else to save my life and I'm like, this shit doesn't work. I wanna

38:43

be part of the community that can stand up

38:45

and be responsible for them. So I said I shifted. I

38:48

had a 1.8 GP in high school, trust me. There's

38:50

no one in high school that's gonna say, Patrick Bet David

38:52

was gonna do something big with his life. Finally,

38:55

I'm like, get off your ass and go do something. I joined

38:57

the Army at 18, life changed. So I'm

38:59

with you there,

39:00

but I also do believe this

39:02

notion, like you know how single men

39:04

and women

39:05

who wait until they get married,

39:07

what's the problem the older you get?

39:10

What is the problem, are you married?

39:12

I don't know if you're married or not. Married with kids, right? Okay,

39:14

so you're married. I'm a single mom

39:16

of a kid. Okay, perfect, okay. So the whole

39:19

concept with marriage, right? The whole concept with marriage.

39:22

You wait to get married, okay? Wait

39:25

till 35, wait till you're 40.

39:26

Wait

39:29

till you're 45, wait till you're 50. What's

39:32

the problem the longer we wait until we get married?

39:34

What are we really saying to the world? What we're

39:36

really saying to the world is what? I'm gonna

39:38

wait until I find what? The

39:40

perfect person. Guess what? Good

39:43

luck. The older you get, the

39:45

harder it's gonna be to find that

39:47

perfect person, right? So there is

39:50

part of that argument that also has

39:52

a leak in it. There is risk

39:54

in marriage, right? There is

39:57

risk in having kids. There is risk

39:59

in...

39:59

saying I think this guy could be the right guy,

40:02

but it's even riskier to say, no,

40:04

no, no, no, no, I'm

40:06

not going to do this. There's risk. Relationships

40:09

don't work. Kids don't. There's pain in

40:11

that stuff. So I think for us,

40:14

the one part I absolutely agree with, that

40:16

we got to take full responsibility. I think the other part is

40:18

as well, hey,

40:19

who do you think that is the least corrupt

40:21

person

40:23

that is not loved by the corrupt institutions

40:25

that you think could go and fight

40:28

these corruption that has the highest

40:30

likelihood? Try to support that person. If you

40:32

think it's a RFK, go

40:34

for it. If you think it's Tulsa, go for it. If you think it's a, even

40:36

a libertarian guy, we had a guy named Dave Smith. I actually

40:38

like this guy. I hope he does something. If it's

40:40

a Dave Smith, go for it. If you think it's a Trump, go

40:43

for it. If you think it's Vivek, go for it. But find

40:45

someone that you think could fight that corruption.

40:47

What I like about Vivek is he's ran

40:49

a company that's worth a couple billion dollars and

40:52

he's calling out all the shit.

40:53

He's calling out all these weird institutions. Support

40:55

a guy like that. Do be

40:58

independent, but also do

41:00

sell and support the guys that you think have

41:02

the highest likelihood of fighting

41:04

the things that you also want someone to fight

41:06

for. I think both are necessary. Sure.

41:11

Well, you know, but I mean, the only thing I

41:13

would say is like, you know, if you have more limited means,

41:15

limited finances, I would personally

41:18

think it would make sense to invest in, I don't know,

41:20

your resilient food supply for

41:22

you and your family and things like that before donating

41:24

instead of donating it

41:25

all. I'm not saying don't. I mean, I'm not, this

41:27

actually wasn't a, I wasn't trying to raise

41:30

money for anybody and I'm never going to get into politics

41:32

because I'm not, I'm not born here. I don't have

41:34

any interest for being a governor. I enjoy building businesses.

41:37

You know, will we do something to advise

41:39

and all this other stuff? We're already doing that anyways and

41:42

indirectly with certain camps. That's a different

41:44

story,

41:45

but for me it's more about

41:47

your dinner table. So what do you think about this? Let me tell

41:49

you what he made me think about. What do you think

41:51

about these institutions? I think

41:54

that is a form of support. I think dinner

41:56

table, lunch, coffee, conversation.

41:58

Well, supporting the rhetoric that you think is important. sure

42:00

in the talking points and all of that.

42:02

Maybe the

42:04

values and principles that

42:07

you think are most important. Like you know

42:09

you asked somebody a question so what did Biden

42:12

say last week?

42:13

The biggest threat to

42:15

the United States of America are white supremacists.

42:18

Seriously? Really? So

42:21

let me get this straight. So if I'm voting for

42:23

Biden

42:24

and you're saying the most important serious

42:27

threat is white Americans that

42:30

are apparently white supremacists that don't go

42:32

along with your philosophies. I

42:34

mean if you think you agree with that vote for

42:36

them support them. If you don't don't that's

42:39

just a way of you know supporting

42:41

or not supporting that argument. But Pat do you

42:43

think okay so let's say another person like that

42:45

Pat grows to this this this power

42:48

becomes wants to be the president we

42:50

want you don't think that the powers that be

42:52

we already saw it. I do think that they're gonna I'm saying they're

42:54

all gonna go after this person but but they're not gonna let

42:56

them okay okay so what's the alternative? Well

42:58

that's my point that's why I was going to my point. What

43:00

is the alternative? Look the

43:03

more you win in life you trust fewer

43:05

people because more people

43:07

rip you off more people backstab you it

43:09

becomes harder to trust people that takes longer to

43:12

trust people. You're not as open

43:14

as you once were when you were naive and innocent.

43:17

You see the way people take advantage

43:19

of you're like oh my god I did that for that guy why

43:21

did I got to take advantage of me? What a freaking shady

43:23

situation.

43:24

Now you're like you know what screw it I don't trust anybody

43:27

right when you're moving up okay so

43:29

what are you gonna do sit by yourself and not go

43:31

entertain others? No so I think when

43:33

a person gets involved in power like that

43:36

they're going to be tainted they're gonna see the darker

43:39

side they're gonna see the gamification against

43:41

them. You chose this job

43:43

you should have chose this job then don't do it you

43:45

chose to be a parent

43:47

being a parent does not like hey all

43:49

these pictures you do for you know annual for

43:51

Christmas party cards look how great they look

43:54

you just saw one second of the photo

43:56

shoot of three hours you what you didn't see the two hours and 59

43:58

minutes is fighting

43:59

throwing a fit, poop in, changing

44:02

clothes, all the shit that happens in a photo shoot. Same

44:04

thing's gonna happen as well. But we can't give

44:06

up hope to say, well,

44:08

there's nothing I can do about it and I'm helpless

44:10

and I don't matter. No, that's

44:12

what cowards do, that's what victims do,

44:14

and the DNA of an American is not a coward,

44:17

it's not a victim, it's somebody that has hope and goes

44:19

and fights for them.

44:19

Well, that's why I talk about personal responsibility.

44:21

I mean, this is supposed to be a country of people that

44:23

went out to the frontier and were self-sufficient

44:27

and built something, right? But I think

44:29

Americans today have been conditioned

44:31

to be very different

44:33

than that. And I think it's high time that people

44:35

return back to the values from

44:38

which this country came from, which

44:40

includes the values of the Constitution, but also

44:42

those values of self-sufficiency. Because if

44:44

you're not able to depend on yourself or

44:46

people you trust for something, you're depending on someone

44:49

else. And that person, you know, you

44:51

wanna eat, you gotta jump through these hoops. I mean,

44:53

that's not, given what we're seeing being

44:55

built around us today, I do not think that

44:58

is a good way to continue to live

45:00

personally.

45:01

So, you know, I definitely agree with that about

45:03

values for sure, but at the same

45:05

time, like I said earlier,

45:08

I think too many people to put too much of their faith

45:10

and too much of their energy in just wanting

45:12

one person to do everything for them magically, you

45:14

know, like a political savior type

45:17

of thing. And I think that dynamic is very, especially

45:20

at this point,

45:21

harmful. It's time for people to

45:24

make something of themselves or do something

45:27

in the real world to protect their family. I mean,

45:29

liking stuff on Twitter, retweeting, that's

45:31

not activism, that's not necessarily gonna change

45:33

anything. It's the lowest level though, it's a form

45:36

of it. It's a low, low level. Yeah, but there's people that do

45:38

that and they're like, oh, well, that's why, you know, it's,

45:40

I don't think it's enough. Guess what, I would rather take

45:42

that than below that, which is doing nothing

45:45

because you're hopeless and you're hopeless. That's

45:48

worse than somebody that does a retweet. But

45:49

a lot of those hopeless people too, were like, I

45:51

see this whole system, I think it's all rigged,

45:54

right? Fine. So I'm talking to those people and I'm saying,

45:56

you don't have to participate in the

45:58

system. Yeah. You know, you can still.

45:59

do something about this that doesn't

46:02

involve interacting with that

46:03

system at all. But I think that's selfish. I think that's selfish.

46:05

Well, if you're building a parallel system to

46:07

keep you and your family and your community resilient

46:09

in times of crisis, I don't think that's selfish. I think

46:11

that's what happened during the Great Depression.

46:14

Let me correct myself. I think you

46:16

need to be selfish 70% of the time, but 60 to 70% of

46:20

the time, I do think you need to be selfish and make those decisions

46:23

for yourself. But the additional 20, 30, 40% where you need

46:25

to be selfless, I think you need to also be thinking

46:28

long term because you don't matter as much as you think you

46:30

matter. Meaning you have kids. I have

46:32

kids.

46:33

We matter,

46:34

but you're officially living for

46:37

your kids in a different way than you when you were

46:39

single. Life changes slightly, right? So

46:41

we have to be thinking about what we need

46:43

to do for them. Do we want to teach them to be

46:46

fighters? Do we want to teach them to be willing

46:48

to not give up and have this mindset?

46:50

Like, you know, we have a guy that comes

46:52

to Mario's wedding. One of the relatives

46:54

that comes to Mario's wedding in our backyard

46:57

is from the other side of the family. It's like, well, you know, these

47:01

rich people, you know, there's nothing I can do about it. You know,

47:03

we're poor. There's sometimes Patrick is rich

47:05

and there's nothing we can do about it. I'm like, dude, Patrick grew up

47:07

in a frickin his dad's in 99 cents or cashier.

47:09

What do you mean you cannot do anything about it? Patrick's a military

47:12

guy that got out not having a clue what the hell to do. He decided

47:14

to read a few thousand business books and life change. This

47:17

concept of what I don't really matter that much.

47:19

I think that's also catastrophic. I

47:21

want

47:22

people to read every single

47:25

thing you've written and say, I

47:27

want to do something about this.

47:29

I want to rise up and risk my life

47:31

to contribute and fight these mofos.

47:33

Yeah, absolutely. I want to go. I

47:36

want to brawl. I want to be a Whitney

47:38

web. That's what I want to do. We need

47:40

a hundred Whitney webs right now. We need more

47:43

boys and men around the world, even 14

47:45

year old kids, 15 year old kids that are saying, I

47:47

want to go do some proper investigation. We'll light it

47:50

up and go think and, you know, point out different

47:52

arguments. So for me,

47:54

hero making machine. I think you're a hero. I'm

47:56

edifying you as a hero. I think we need more people

47:59

to want to be the, the. There's different ways of becoming a hero.

48:01

I think you're one of the ways of becoming a hero. Let's

48:03

address one thing, has nothing to do with this. Woody

48:06

Allen, I wanna talk about this, because a lot of things

48:08

have been coming up with Woody Allen and Vinnie

48:11

brought a video out. Vinnie, if you wanna even

48:13

read the story with Woody Allen, I think it's

48:15

on page A, take a lead on that. I'm pretty sure Woody

48:17

knows something about it. Yeah, okay, so The

48:19

Wall Street Journal published an analysis

48:21

of recently released documents that provided details

48:24

of Jeffrey. I've seen contacts with high profile

48:26

individuals from 2008 with a guilty

48:29

plea to soliciting

48:29

and procuring a minor for prostitution, all right?

48:32

They included thousands of pages of emails, schedules

48:35

from 2013 to 2017, which show

48:37

the nature of the frequency of these Epstein's

48:39

contacts with the array of powerful people. They included

48:41

Lawrence Summers, former Treasury Secretary

48:44

and one time Harvard University President, who met

48:46

with Epstein after Harvard decided it

48:49

would no longer accept his donations. And Woody Allen,

48:52

Oscar winning movie director who attended dozens

48:55

of dinners with his wife, Suni, who is

48:57

his adopted daughter, and he's 87, she's 87 and he's,

49:01

I'm sorry, he's 87, she's 52. So like almost

49:03

a 40 year, yeah, it's disgusting.

49:06

And at Epstein's mansion, and invited

49:08

Epstein to film screenings, other figures include billionaire

49:10

venture capitalists and LinkedIn co-founder,

49:13

Reed Hoffman, former Israeli Prime

49:15

Minister, what Barack and

49:17

Leon Black billionaire co-founder of private equity,

49:19

a giant Apollo global management. So

49:22

yesterday I was doing research for

49:24

having you on and just reading up and

49:26

then I saw a clip of Mia

49:29

Farrow, who was, you know, she adopted

49:31

her.

49:31

Yeah, Suni Previn and her daughter, Dylan

49:34

Farrow, was molested

49:36

by me. Was molested and you know, when

49:38

you're doing this type of research, I came up to a

49:41

clip of the 90s of a leaked, like

49:43

a tap audio. I haven't listened to it, but I've

49:45

heard of it. And I showed it to Pat

49:47

yesterday. I got emotional

49:50

in this prep meeting because it's Mia Farrow

49:52

and Woody Allen's on the phone and she's telling-

49:55

Disturbing. It's, I'm gonna get emotional

49:57

right now. She's crying. Mind you, this

49:59

is her adoption.

49:59

And describing what the rape and the

50:03

abuse that he did to a seven year old girl and Pat

50:05

heard this and he was

50:07

in shock. We had to hear it twice. So

50:09

that's right. This is a tapped phone

50:11

call from Woody Allen talking to Mia Farrow.

50:14

And this is they're talking about Dylan who

50:16

was the seven year old at the time. And what she

50:18

went through. I wonder

50:20

because you will not let me get it. You

50:23

have

50:23

to wait on that

50:25

now. What you've done to SUNY, what

50:28

you've done to Dylan, what

50:30

you've done to Dylan. So baby,

50:33

how could you do that to her? I

50:36

don't know anything of that kind. I know

50:39

what Dylan tells me. You've told

50:41

me nothing but lies. Dylan tells the

50:43

truth and consistently. No,

50:46

I don't know that way. I've always

50:49

always worked and worried about you and Dylan.

50:53

And I didn't know the doctor had to report

50:56

this to the authorities. I

50:59

didn't know that. I

51:01

went just to be sure she was all right. And

51:06

she's not alright, Woody. She

51:09

walks around the house holding her vagina.

51:13

She sleeps with me. She's

51:16

scared of you. And

51:18

you love him. I

51:22

feel pretty guilty myself that I wasn't

51:24

there to protect her. I'm sorry. You

51:28

said mommy didn't help me. You

51:33

said daddy shouldn't have done that. He

51:35

shouldn't have hurt me like that. Did

51:41

you hurt her? You would

51:43

weep inside. You

51:46

would just want to be dead. And

51:49

I don't know how you could live with what you

51:51

did. So yeah, yeah, that is so disturbing. Yeah,

51:54

here's something like that. I can't. It's

51:56

just. And

52:00

these people nothing happens, Pat, no jail,

52:02

Woody Allen's walking around, this poor girl's

52:05

ruined for her whole life, that Epstein Island,

52:07

all those girls, all those kids, no

52:09

accountability, these people just walk, nothing happens.

52:11

The two people got in trouble.

52:13

Cindy McCain in January, 2020 went

52:15

in front of, she

52:17

was in front of a stadium full of people. She said,

52:19

we all knew what Jeffrey Epstein was doing.

52:22

Yeah. All these people knew, so all these people,

52:24

like after he was arrested acting like, oh

52:27

yeah, well I didn't know and it was just money this.

52:30

This is why I get frustrated with the Wall Street Journal's

52:32

reporting, because it's just like, they didn't even mention

52:34

Woody Allen, how he

52:36

married Suni Previn.

52:39

They don't mention Dylan Farrow at all. Noam

52:41

Chomsky gets called out about it. He's supposed to be this progressive

52:43

icon and he's like, Woody Allen's a great artist.

52:46

Don't ask me about my evening with a great artist and

52:48

a convicted pedophile. I mean, it's just,

52:51

I mean, it's disgusting. And

52:54

frankly, in my book, I talk about how these

52:57

types of operations, whether

52:59

it's Epstein, whether it's the Franklin scandal.

53:01

This stuff has been going on for a really long time

53:03

and even people that are ex-CIA, like John Kiriakou,

53:06

have said, yeah, when we

53:08

wanna recruit a source,

53:11

if they ask for a kid to sexually

53:13

abuse, we give it to them.

53:16

Unbelievable. Why do we do that? And this

53:18

is why I get, it's so frustrating, because Americans

53:20

have been sold a vision of their government, a

53:22

vision of their intelligence community and military

53:25

that is so divorced from this. And

53:27

I mean, I just think it's really time that, do

53:30

we really represent the values that we project

53:32

around the world that we're supposed to have internalized?

53:35

Or no, I don't think we do,

53:37

because we've allowed our country to be run by literal

53:40

monsters and criminals and

53:43

people act like it's fine. And

53:45

as long as we act like, oh, well, there's

53:49

nothing I can do about it, no, there is

53:51

stuff you can do about it. And the first step is

53:53

to get angry.

53:53

By the way, is that the clip that

53:55

she was talking about? Yes. Can

53:59

you play that? Yep. It hides

54:01

in plain sight. Epstein was hiding in plain sight.

54:03

We all knew about him. We all knew what he was

54:05

doing. We had no

54:10

legal aspect that would go after him. They were

54:12

afraid of him. For whatever reason, they were afraid

54:14

of him. There's no direct McCain-Biden

54:17

time. So her saying that means the whole

54:19

freaking Senate knew

54:21

and nothing was done. I

54:24

mean, it's just crazy to me. It's scary.

54:27

And so when you were me and Pat are Syrians

54:29

were Christians. That's when and when I get to

54:31

that point where I'm like, nothing happens to these people.

54:34

They always get away with it. I mean, Epstein and

54:36

Galena, the two that, you know, they had those two

54:38

had to be in trouble. But as a Christian,

54:41

the only good feeling that I have that if there

54:43

is a hell, these

54:44

people will go there because in Matthew, I

54:46

think it's chapter 18. Matthew says,

54:48

if anybody God said or Jesus

54:50

said, anybody messes with these innocence

54:53

of the kids, it's better for them to tie a milestone

54:56

around their head and throw themselves in the ocean.

54:58

That's the only comforting feeling I has is

55:00

that if you do that, the government's not going to

55:02

go after you. Obviously, they're all protected that God

55:04

will get these people. Yeah, but

55:06

the thing is, why are we allowing a

55:08

government that signs off on this crap

55:11

and, you know, an elite that want

55:13

to go to a guy that does stuff like that

55:16

for money so they can like, you know, evade

55:19

some taxes or, you know, make a couple

55:21

of millions or this and that they're willing to like, co-sign

55:23

this behavior for that. Why do the American

55:26

people not get mad and enraged about it? I mean, it drives

55:28

me crazy. One of the reasons I went and

55:30

moved to South America is because so I'm 33, a millennial.

55:34

When I was, I left when I was in my early 20s

55:36

because I knew about a bunch of crazy crap happening.

55:39

And everyone my age was like, I don't care as long

55:41

as I have Netflix and beer.

55:43

And I mean, there's a lot of Americans that are still like

55:45

that now, you know, and it's just

55:48

so, I don't know. I

55:50

mean, it makes me really upset because, you

55:53

know, I was really close to my grandparents. They

55:55

loved this country so much. And

55:57

if they only knew, if they only

55:59

knew. I knew about this stuff. I mean, I'm just

56:01

glad they died before. God rest their souls.

56:04

It's just so sad. That's

56:06

why I think you're inspiring a lot

56:09

of other people that want to be like you. You may

56:11

not even know this. Like

56:11

I say, the first step is to get angry. So many

56:13

Americans have been, you know, we're stimulated all this stuff

56:16

with like these action movies and death and sex and

56:18

whatever. The first step is to like stop

56:20

being so desensitized

56:22

and get angry and

56:25

outraged about what's happening and

56:27

what's happening to all, I mean, when you're talking about

56:29

Epstein and you're like, what are you out? And these are kids.

56:31

I mean, Dylan Farrow was seven, but court documents

56:33

say he was sexually interested in her between

56:37

the ages of two and three. This is

56:39

a guy people call a great artist and parade

56:41

around and defend. It's sick.

56:43

And I mean,

56:44

two adopted kids, they were, I mean, SUNY Previn

56:47

was his daughter too. There's pictures of them cuddling

56:49

when they were, she was like eight or nine.

56:51

And she was- Any marriage or nobody question, nobody

56:53

gives a damn. Yeah. Yeah, because, you

56:56

know, oh, he's a great artist, blah, blah, blah. Epstein

56:58

was a great financier or whatever. So,

57:01

you know, it doesn't matter. I mean, once you do

57:03

that stuff, you cross a line and it's been a taboo.

57:05

It's been a red line for thousands

57:07

of years for a reason, you know, and

57:09

it shouldn't change now.

57:11

So the question becomes out of these 10 institutions,

57:14

these five, 10, 15 names that we came up

57:16

with, which one of them protects

57:19

guys like Woody and Epstein the most? Well,

57:21

supposedly, you know, law enforcement in this

57:24

country is supposed to prosecute this stuff and they don't,

57:26

and they're on the take, I think. So

57:28

who are they accountable to that

57:30

they don't do that? Because they also

57:32

answer to somebody

57:34

where they see it as a risk to go after a guy like Woody

57:36

Allen or Epstein. Well, again,

57:40

it's hard to know, but think about, you know, Epstein

57:42

and the sweetheart deal. The US attorney

57:44

was Alex Acosta, later becomes secretary

57:46

of labor. He was told he had to

57:48

sign off on the sweetheart deal because Epstein belonged

57:50

to intelligence and he was told to back off,

57:53

it's above his pay grade.

57:54

So you can assume that people like that pop

57:57

up all over the place. It doesn't matter where you were in

57:59

the... government. And I agree with her Pat going

58:02

to the Mark Middleton, think about this, that was in Arkansas

58:04

where he's hanging from a tree, shotgun

58:06

chest, shotgun to his chest, no gun

58:09

and they rule it, the

58:11

police department, that it's suicide. And

58:13

nobody says that, nobody says timeout. How

58:16

is that possible? You know what I mean? Well

58:18

no one even in the media even bothers to look into

58:20

who Mark Middleton was. I know. At

58:22

all.

58:23

I just told you all this China gate stuff, he's in, you just search

58:26

on, you know, the Congress investigation

58:29

Senate reports, Mark Middleton's all over

58:31

it. No one even brings up, not even the

58:33

Daily Mail brings up China gate.

58:36

No one wants to touch that stuff and it's because

58:38

you do that, you're gonna get into this murky world

58:40

where like there's southern air transport, there's

58:43

weird arms deals going on, someone's

58:45

making a lot of money and our intelligence services

58:47

for a very long time have been very involved

58:50

in illicit arms deals and illicit

58:52

drug trades.

58:53

And the banks too, HSBC

58:56

got caught laundering millions of

58:58

dollars for Mexican drug cartels, no one goes to jail.

59:01

None of them. Sam Bankman Freed with FTX

59:03

is about to get 10 of the 13 charges dismissed

59:06

against him and he was the only one arrested for

59:09

FTX supposedly taking Ukraine

59:11

aid money and then funneling it back to DNC

59:13

politicians.

59:15

Nothing happens.

59:17

I mean there's so many examples of this, it's totally

59:19

mind-boggling and like I point out in the first part of my

59:21

book, actually a lot of Wall Street is hugely

59:23

dependent on the returns from laundering drug

59:25

money. If the drug

59:27

trade globally stopped, the banks would

59:29

collapse. It's crazy.

59:32

There is so much corruption here, it's just totally

59:34

mental and until we realize the extent of

59:36

the problem we'll never be able to fix it because

59:39

if you have a, you know, a Disneyland

59:41

version in your head of what the problem

59:43

is, you're not, the solutions you offer are not going

59:46

to be tailored to the actual problem, nothing's gonna

59:48

get fixed,

59:49

you know. And for a lot of people it's hard for

59:51

them to wrap their mind around this stuff. How

59:53

are these people that I idolize like Woody Allen

59:55

put out in front of me as this great guy blah blah blah

59:58

and it clashes with the reality system.

59:59

intensely people develop cognitive dissidence.

1:00:03

Why would he be why would he have been so promoted

1:00:05

and so praised after doing all of that?

1:00:08

Well, our institutions are fundamentally corrupt and

1:00:10

they reward behavior like this. If you're in

1:00:13

the right clubs and hang out with the right people,

1:00:15

and that type of stuff doesn't bother them, we

1:00:17

should be deeply disturbed as Americans that there is

1:00:19

a major segment of very powerful elite

1:00:22

actors that think that type of behavior is fine.

1:00:26

And if they get caught, nothing will happen to them.

1:00:28

Exactly. That's actually scary. Yeah, but if

1:00:30

you're like, I don't know, a kid in Florida and you

1:00:33

get caught with a joint by the wrong cop.

1:00:37

You know, but Woody Allen can molest two

1:00:39

kids and it's fine,

1:00:41

you know. Let me ask you a question. There's just a huge

1:00:43

double standard, you know, I think that's pretty clear.

1:00:45

I'd be curious to know what you say about this.

1:00:47

You know how people run

1:00:49

for office and

1:00:51

they run for, you know, president

1:00:53

or whatever it is and they run on different issues,

1:00:55

right? Build a wall. I'm with

1:00:58

her. Obamacare, affordable

1:01:00

health, you know, health insurance, you know,

1:01:03

cost of insurance, you know, immigration,

1:01:06

taxes, rich people, top 1%,

1:01:08

billionaires, all these things they run on.

1:01:11

You think if somebody ran and they laid

1:01:13

out their top 10 plan and, you know, one

1:01:15

of the things in the top five is to investigate what's

1:01:18

really going on with these

1:01:19

issues. You think that

1:01:22

would be something that would

1:01:24

be resonate with

1:01:26

millions of Americans that they would want to get to the bottom

1:01:28

of this?

1:01:28

Yeah, I think so because even today, despite all

1:01:30

the mainstream media like missing disinformation

1:01:32

about stuff like Epstein, people are like, I'd

1:01:35

really like to see that client list, you know,

1:01:37

and I think that's the

1:01:39

reason, the only reason they ended up going after

1:01:41

Ghislaine Maxwell was because like they were

1:01:44

at first they were like, well, Epstein's dead.

1:01:46

It's gone away. You know, people were like, but

1:01:48

Ghislaine Maxwell.

1:01:50

And I mean, that public

1:01:52

concern didn't go away. A lot of these institutions

1:01:54

feel like they have to maintain a public

1:01:57

veneer that like they'll do something about

1:01:59

it, even though they're not really.

1:01:59

doing much about it. But what concerns

1:02:02

me is what happens when, I mean the mask

1:02:04

is almost totally off as far as like the FBI

1:02:06

and DOJ is concerned

1:02:08

right now. What happens when it comes totally off and

1:02:10

they don't even have to maintain that public

1:02:13

veneer of we're an accountable responsible

1:02:15

institution that cares about democracy and the

1:02:17

rule of law? I'd

1:02:20

be so curious to see if somebody runs on that.

1:02:24

I'd be so curious to see if somebody runs on that. By the

1:02:26

way, whoever runs on wanting to investigate

1:02:28

Epstein has to be somebody that doesn't need Wall

1:02:30

Street money.

1:02:33

Whoever runs on wanting to find out who's on

1:02:35

the Epstein list

1:02:37

can only do it if they don't take any

1:02:39

money from Wall Street. Which

1:02:41

means it eliminates 95% of

1:02:44

candidates.

1:02:47

By the way, you know who's on that list that doesn't need Wall

1:02:49

Street money? Vivek doesn't need Wall Street money. Trump

1:02:51

doesn't need Wall Street money. A couple other

1:02:53

guys don't need Wall Street money. Everybody else

1:02:56

needs Wall Street money.

1:02:57

What about RFK?

1:02:59

He's a what? He's like a 5, 10, 20 million

1:03:01

auto guy? He's

1:03:02

gonna need some money. You

1:03:04

know, he's

1:03:07

already gone after big pharma.

1:03:09

So that's a very big thing to go after.

1:03:11

And now he's continually calling out the

1:03:13

CIA for killing JFK. Yeah, to me.

1:03:16

But every day there's a new article written

1:03:18

or a new clip of him saying the CIA

1:03:21

killed my uncle. I think he's another guy.

1:03:23

I think he's a wild card, but I think he's another guy. I

1:03:25

think he's another

1:03:27

guy that who again, remember what

1:03:30

for me, if you

1:03:32

if you did a book, the cover is half the page

1:03:35

Trump have to page Kennedy. Okay, John,

1:03:37

what do those two families have in common? You

1:03:40

just kind of go through it to see the good, the

1:03:42

bad, the ugly, the corrupt, anything that you want

1:03:44

to go investigate the link to Kushner family, all

1:03:46

this other family. If you see

1:03:49

whatever family didn't need money

1:03:51

is the family that typically cannot be controlled.

1:03:54

Whoever can be moved by money. I mean, you

1:03:56

realize Biden's are doing what they're doing for a million

1:03:59

dollar check. You realize how pathetic

1:04:01

that is? You can buy Bidens for

1:04:03

a million or $10 million.

1:04:05

You know what $10 million is to some of these guys? They're

1:04:07

worth $10 million. I can buy

1:04:09

your family for 10 million bucks and the

1:04:11

big man's gonna get, the big guy's gonna get 10%. I

1:04:16

think

1:04:18

it's concerning to put somebody like that in power. So

1:04:21

I do think there's a few people that will see what's gonna happen with

1:04:23

that. What are your thoughts on that? Well,

1:04:27

you know, when it comes to someone like Joe Biden,

1:04:29

I think there's a clip of him that was going around in the primary.

1:04:32

He was saying something like, I

1:04:34

wanted to be a politician sooner, but I had to wait to be

1:04:36

old enough so I could like sell out properly, something

1:04:39

like that. Who said this? Biden. But

1:04:42

this was like in the long time ago, when

1:04:44

he was much younger,

1:04:45

because apparently they wanna

1:04:48

take him seriously when he was too young or something

1:04:50

and he had to wait. I

1:04:52

don't know. I mean,

1:04:53

the American political system, the

1:04:55

way it has operated for decades

1:04:58

rewards behavior like that.

1:05:00

And the problem is how

1:05:02

do we shift it away so it doesn't reward

1:05:05

that behavior? And if you're looking at, like we mentioned

1:05:07

earlier, the DNC is gonna stop debate, essentially

1:05:10

to shoehorn

1:05:11

Biden in after they've done two

1:05:14

successive presidential primaries where they essentially

1:05:16

committed fraud to keep the popular candidate out.

1:05:18

How democratic is that? And

1:05:21

I mean,

1:05:23

all this other stuff going on, all this funny games

1:05:25

to try and like stop Trump or,

1:05:27

you know.