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Hey, what's up everybody? This week we

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were talking about one of my favorite

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hypercar companies in the world, the one

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and only Pagani. We're gonna talk about

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Horacio Pagani's life, his upbringing in Argentina,

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and how he was able to meet

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a little guy named Juan Manuel Fangio

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who helped ignite Horacio's career, brought him

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over to Europe, got him a job

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at Lamborghini. Well, kinda, Fangio

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didn't get him a job, he like helped him get a

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job. Anyway, it's a whole thing. You'll find out when we

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get into it right now. Geneva

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Motor Show, 1999. The

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90s are coming to an end, but

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a new era in automotive technology was

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just kicking off. Technological

0:38

advances never seen before and several

0:40

now iconic cars making their public

0:43

debut. F1 style paddle

0:45

shifters were making their way into super

0:47

cars and tech like computer controlled suspension

0:49

and state of the art traction systems

0:51

meant a huge leap forward in performance.

0:55

But it was also an era of balance.

0:58

Computers might've been making cars faster, but

1:00

there were still very analog and feel.

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Several icons made their debut at Geneva

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this year, including the Ferrari 360 Modena,

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the Audi TT, and the E46 3 Series

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BMW. But

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no other car unveiled at the show

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represented this era of technology and soul

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like a small team from an unknown

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company called Pagani. Don't. The

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company was hardly six years old, but

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its founder, Aracio Pagani, had an incredible

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resume. He was a sort of prodigy

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and built working vehicles from bare essentials as

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a team. He designed an F2 car

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and spent the 80s advancing composite

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material research and aiding the development

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of Lamborghinis. It was

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a bold gamble to take on established super car

1:42

brands. But the car

1:44

Pagani unveiled in Geneva, the Zonda,

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was poised to change the super

1:48

car landscape in a significant and

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permanent way. Out of the

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sun of Argentinian bakers we become one of the

1:54

most respected car designers in the world. How

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did an unexpected marriage of cutting edge

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technology and renaissance... Sans philosophy shape his

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cars and how did he

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change the supercar landscape into what we

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know today. Today on PASK GAS it's

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the history of Pagani. We'll

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Pagani. Pagani.

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This is a cool topic because

5:22

we got to interview Horacio Pagani

5:24

himself a couple weeks ago. Well,

5:27

it'll be a couple months at this point

5:29

but he was super cool. His family's

5:31

very nice. They do a lot of hugging.

5:34

Really? Yeah. That's nice. That's funny.

5:36

That's like the third thing you said.

5:39

What? That you're like very nice. Good family

5:41

hugging. You know, all companies are always like,

5:44

we're like a family here. We're so close

5:46

knit. And then they, you know, like do

5:49

something that a family wouldn't do to

5:51

you in a million years. They're actually

5:53

a family. There's two brothers that

5:55

we saw and

5:58

then Horacio himself. And

6:01

it's a very small team. Sebastian, their PR

6:04

guy was very nice too. But

6:06

I just kept like, we were like mingling

6:08

at the Pagani event at Pebble Beach and I

6:11

just kept seeing them like, oh hey, and then

6:13

they would go hug people. It's

6:15

a small community, these insanely

6:18

bespoke cars. I

6:21

feel like he's doing it for

6:23

the love of driving. I mean, I don't know if

6:25

I got to say this in the episode

6:27

where we interviewed him, maybe after

6:30

we interviewed him, but I wanted to

6:32

tell Horacio specifically that, ever

6:36

since I saw the Zonda as like, on

6:38

Top Gear years ago, like

6:40

that has been my obscene

6:43

wealth dream car. Oh,

6:45

totally. It's just the sickest, coolest car. I

6:47

had this, I had this photoshopped.

6:51

You inside of a Zonda? No, not me inside of

6:53

a Zonda. Someone on the

6:55

cars subreddit, or car photography

6:57

subreddit like 10 or 15 years ago made

7:00

this picture where it was like

7:02

a pink Zonda with like this

7:04

like 80s model hanging out next

7:07

to it. And I had that as

7:09

my computer desktop

7:11

for like five years. I

7:14

should find that someday. I don't think it's a real

7:16

photo. I think someone photoshopped it, but it's like super

7:18

sick and that

7:21

one. Stop! Isn't

7:24

that sick? Well, obviously we'll put

7:26

that into the edit. That

7:28

is cool. Man, that's like your vision board. I

7:31

know I had that as a screen saver, or not screen saver,

7:33

background for like five years, all through college. People would come into

7:35

my room and be like, what the fuck is this guy's

7:37

issue? What the fuck? This

7:40

guy's a real Redditor. It's

7:43

a real one, real nerd. But I don't

7:45

know, I've always had a very appreciation

7:48

for this brand, reverence for this company. These cars

7:51

are just incredible. Going up to Monterey a few

7:53

weeks ago, I know we're still on Monterey guys,

7:55

but it's very fresh in our minds. It

7:58

was so cool to see. of these things in

8:00

person and also way bigger than I thought. Yeah. I

8:03

don't know specifically like the dimensions, but like in

8:05

person they have such presence or dislike in your

8:08

face. It's big and small at the same time.

8:10

Like we took a picture of Horacio

8:12

sitting next to the wheel and he's a small

8:14

guy, but also like the wheel kind of dwarfs

8:17

him. It's like a 22. Yeah.

8:20

Yeah. It's a huge wheel, but then it's

8:22

like maybe 44 inches tall. It's probably this, I don't

8:24

know, 44, you know, 44 inches. Yes.

8:29

We all know what 44 inches looks like. Hell

8:31

yeah. That's

8:34

so funny. I have their technical specifications for

8:36

the Y-R at least. Hold on. Let's

8:39

see how big this thing dimensions. Should we introduce ourselves? Yeah.

8:42

One sec. Yeah. Length

8:44

of 203 inches. That's actually pretty long. That's long. That's

8:47

longer than my Mustang is and a little shorter

8:49

than my truck. Wheel base of 109 inches, a height

8:51

of 45. This is the Y-R

8:53

though, so it's different. Anyway, welcome to the show everybody.

8:56

My name is Nolan Sykes talking Pagani

8:58

this week. Very excited. Across

9:01

me, Joe Weber. What up? I'm

9:04

going to send Nolan a spec sheet

9:06

and just completely distract him. Yeah.

9:10

What was the, did you just search like pink

9:12

Pagani wallpaper? Yeah. Okay. Hold

9:15

on. I got to find this.

9:17

And also joining us this week, fresh from Baja,

9:19

Mexico. Baja. Baja. Baja.

9:22

Baja. Fresh deserved break and

9:26

one advised by me. That's

9:28

true. Why are you taking credit for that?

9:30

He should. He should

9:32

take credit for that. Christina Felski. Hello. I

9:35

am back on the show briefly for today. Yeah. How

9:37

was Mexico and what'd you do down there? Mexico

9:40

was super fun. I took the Forester that we built

9:42

out. You almost got domed. Yeah.

9:45

Yeah. Because you don't even have a flag sticking out

9:47

of your Subaru. Sure don't. There

9:49

were a ton of, yeah,

9:52

there were a ton of people down there like

9:54

race teams clearly because we were staying at, we

9:56

stay at this place, Coyote Cals. That's

9:59

a hostel. that's like on the route.

10:01

And so a race team came in at like 9pm

10:03

when we were having one of the strangest

10:05

dinners I've ever had at a place

10:07

in Mexico, which is a Thai coconut

10:09

chicken curry. It's the only thing on

10:11

the menu. It's the only thing on the menu.

10:13

There was like also Baja 1000

10:16

spaghetti. And I was like, do

10:18

you want spaghetti? And we were both like, no, we'll

10:20

eat this. Oh, they have it on their website.

10:23

Yeah, it's great. Anyway, it was good

10:25

though. Um, there's a cute dog, a

10:27

good cat at that place. I do recommend that

10:29

hostel. I thought it was really cool. Coyote cows

10:31

getting the shout out. I was so

10:34

bummed because it would have

10:36

been really cool to put donuts stickers on. They

10:38

have a Thai sports massage advertised on our

10:40

website. Yes. She also does facial massage,

10:42

which I was interested in, but I was like,

10:44

do we want to do this right now? Hey,

10:47

the prices are quite reasonable. The prices, it

10:49

was 15 bucks to just like camp in

10:51

a place that felt extremely safe

10:53

and comfortable. I love Baja. Yeah,

10:55

it was really fun. We had a great

10:57

time. Um, driving there is very fun, unless

10:59

you're in the borderline and then it is

11:01

bad. How long did you wait coming

11:04

back? Coming back only an hour and a half,

11:06

which was not bad. But

11:08

going out for some reason, like we were in

11:10

the car for eight hours. It was awful. I

11:14

should have brought some fricking frocturas and sweet

11:16

rolls that come in many different shapes and.

11:18

I could have brought some snacks in for

11:20

the show, but I actually ate them yesterday.

11:24

I feel like that's not the first

11:26

time you said that. The nerds, nerds

11:29

clusters. They're my favorites. Nerds, clusters. Now

11:31

what I would love to do is

11:33

eat some nerds clusters in a Pagani.

11:36

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Up

11:38

to five. I agree. Let's talk

11:40

about the Nerds cluster. I

11:43

like the clusters over the rope. I love the ropes.

11:51

We're not going to get along on this

11:53

part. Orazio Raul Pagani was born on November

11:55

10th, 1955 in the tiny rural town. of

12:00

Casilda, Argentina. Much of

12:02

his family has Italian heritage. Relatives such

12:05

as his great grandfather immigrated from

12:07

Italy's Lombardy region to Argentina in the

12:09

late 1800s. That's

12:12

the northern Italian region. It butters

12:14

up against the house. This

12:16

is like the fourth Italy mention in a row, and

12:18

I'm learning so much about the country. I can't wait

12:20

to get over there. The

12:22

family operated a bakery in Casilda.

12:25

Horacio's father, Mario, quote, transmitted

12:27

the value of hard work to his children,

12:30

which instilled Horacio's drive to succeed at

12:32

an early age. Horacio's

12:34

parents also passed on a love of the

12:36

arts to their son. His mother, Martha, was

12:38

passionate about art in just about any

12:40

way she could experience it. His father,

12:42

Mario, on the other hand, loved literature

12:44

and was a well-known local musician who

12:46

played trumpet in a jazz band. Oh,

12:48

this is really nice. I'm

12:51

telling you, they're just sounds like two nice people. Horacio

12:54

was fascinated by cars at an

12:56

early age. He spent countless hours

12:58

thumbing through car magazines like Argentino's

13:00

Auto Mundo and whatever European

13:02

and American publications he could get his

13:05

hands on. He became particularly captivated by

13:07

Italian cars and the design houses that

13:09

were responsible for shaping them. Young

13:11

Horacio dreamed of working

13:14

in Modena in the heart of Italy

13:16

at one of these design houses and began

13:18

experimenting with drawing and building models of his

13:20

own supercar designs from Balsa wood. Balsa

13:23

wood is super expensive, by the way. Is it?

13:26

Yeah. Because I was like, I want to, for

13:28

Jeopardy on the main channel, I directed that video and

13:30

I was like, I want to make Balsa wood podiums

13:34

so that when Jer inevitably gets

13:36

angry, he can smash

13:38

his podium. And it

13:40

was like $48 for a

13:42

two by four. Damn. Yeah. But can you

13:45

imagine a two by four of Balsa wood?

13:47

Yeah. You could smash that and it would

13:49

look so cool. That'd be sick. Wow. Yeah.

13:53

Not long after he began making wood models,

13:55

he stumbled onto an article on Leonardo da

13:57

Vinci while paging through a Reader's Digest match.

14:00

I love his code. The

14:02

ar- what? DaVinci's code.

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article detailed how Da Vinci combined the

16:36

principles of art and science. The idea

16:39

of combining the two was a revelation

16:41

for Horacio. According to

16:43

Pagani Automobili themselves, this was quote,

16:46

"'The missing element he was seeking "'and which helped

16:48

him get a clear vision of his path "'and

16:50

what he intended to do.'" During

16:53

secondary school, Horacio began experimenting with

16:55

different materials like aluminum, steel, fiberglass,

16:57

and plastic to build his car

17:00

models. He learned how

17:02

he put it, the quote, "'potential

17:04

and characteristics "'of different materials this

17:06

way,' "'and soon applied what he

17:08

learned building models "'to restoring motorcycles.'"

17:11

Horacio's appetite for creation was insatiable

17:13

and eventually worked his way up

17:15

to building vehicles himself. Around

17:18

age 14, he received a small 48cc

17:21

engine as a gift. He and

17:23

his friend, Gustav Marini, decided they could

17:25

use it to build a go-kart. After getting

17:27

the materials needed to make a cart, they

17:29

realized they could have more fun together if

17:31

they had two small bikes instead of one

17:33

cart. Two

17:37

things more fun. Yeah, you chop it

17:39

down the middle. It's like,

17:41

it's two motorcycles with a house

17:43

in the middle. Truly.

17:46

And Horacio's first vehicle, a mini

17:48

bike, was born. Later, he

17:50

worked on other vehicles, such as a buggy

17:52

based on the engine and chassis from a

17:54

Renault Dauphine. Let's talk about this buggy. I

17:57

love it and I want to drive in it. a

18:00

buggy. I mean, this is... It's... Oh,

18:02

okay. Okay. So it's like a

18:04

dune buggy, sort of. This

18:06

is like a Meyers Minx shell. It's like

18:09

a Minx, but definitely more like 70s design.

18:11

It looks like... The side profile is

18:15

like a miniature, I want to say

18:17

C3 Corvette-ish plopped on top

18:19

of a Renault Dauphine chassis. Okay. That makes a

18:21

lot more sense. The side seals are super low

18:23

and the windshield is very big. I love it.

18:26

This is really cool. I think the proportions on

18:28

this are just right. Yeah. This looks like something

18:30

John Daly would drive at the golf course.

18:32

Oh. And here... Yeah, but it would

18:34

be painted with like an American flag and have cigarette

18:37

smoke. Yeah, for sure. I

18:39

love it. I just think

18:41

like the lines are really gorgeous. It's

18:44

just really aesthetically pleasing. It's

18:46

cool. The Dauphine also looks like a

18:48

Christina car. I do love the Dauphine. It's like

18:50

a villain and like a Despicable Me would drive

18:52

this to like the beach or something. Which is

18:54

a Christina car. Sorry. The entire... Drew

18:57

is the villain, but he's also the protagonist,

19:00

right? Yes. The antagonist of it.

19:02

I've never seen a Minion movie. Really? Yeah.

19:05

The first ones are pretty good. I've saw Despicable Me

19:07

the first film. I

19:09

have not followed up. Whenever

19:12

I need to like mess with Max,

19:14

I play

19:16

like the Minion covers of songs.

19:19

I like that one that...

19:24

I like it when you wiggle, wiggle. There's

19:27

one where the Minions sing that and it

19:29

drives Max crazy. You say you haven't seen

19:31

a Minion movie yet. I gather in about

19:33

two to three years, you will have an

19:35

exciting knowledge of the Minion films. I

19:38

believe this can be true. I don't know. I

19:41

might not show him any Minion

19:43

stuff. Really? You gotta tell your family

19:45

though. Why? Because he could go

19:47

to grandma's and then all of a sudden the dam

19:49

breaks loose. No, I want him to be

19:51

into Moana because I love Moana. How

19:54

old's your baby again? Ten weeks. What

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are you doing? Nothing. Are

20:00

you getting a minion hat for him? I'm

20:03

just over here doing stuff. Minion ones,

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minion ones. Oh. Okay.

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I won't die any longer. Okay. Okay.

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Look for three months old. Three months old,

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gotcha. He's big. He

20:18

is big. He's got such an

20:20

expressive face already. I love

20:22

how he's so cute. And he's happy all the time,

20:24

and he's two

20:26

feet tall right now. He's just grooving, man. He's

20:29

a grooving little guy. Yeah. Horacio

20:31

was something of a prodigy, and by his

20:33

late teens had a wealth of experience and

20:35

design under his belt. In 1974,

20:37

at age 19, Horacio still had his

20:39

sights on working in a design house

20:41

in Medina. Taking the first

20:43

step, he enrolled at La Plata

20:45

University, south of Buenos Aires, to

20:47

study industrial design. Unfortunately,

20:50

though, the rapidly deteriorating political

20:52

situation in the country would

20:54

make Horacio's university years difficult.

20:56

I don't want to get you in your head at all,

20:59

but it's pronounced Modena. Modena.

21:03

I can do that. From

21:07

the mid 70s to early 80s, Argentina

21:10

experienced the dirty war. It's

21:13

far too complicated to explain on a car

21:15

history podcast hosted by the likes of ourselves,

21:18

but broadly speaking, the dirty war

21:20

was a time of political violence

21:22

in which Argentina's right-wing military dictatorship

21:25

systematically executed, jailed, or disappeared left-wing

21:27

sympathizers as part of the larger

21:29

Operation Condor that worked to do

21:31

much the same thing across most

21:34

of South America. I know this

21:36

sounds very serious, but Operation

21:38

Condor is like one of my favorite Jackie

21:40

Chan movies. Really

21:42

good. One of his first ones. It

21:45

was a traumatic time to be an Argentinian, and

21:47

it was simply too stressful for Horacio to carry

21:49

on with his education in the war's first year.

21:52

The following year, he attempted to return

21:54

to school, this time at the University

21:56

of Rosario to study mechanical engineering, but

21:59

ultimately he found out. found formal education too

22:01

monotonous. Horacio decided he wanted

22:03

to get back into working with his

22:05

hands, which he believed spurred his imagination

22:08

and inventiveness more than simply reading textbooks.

22:10

Same. I love to work with

22:12

my hands. His parents are- Nolan.

22:14

I love to work with my hands. Why are you looking at me like

22:17

that? I also love to work with my hands, Nolan. What's

22:20

happening here? You know those TikToks where the

22:22

guys are like, what would you do

22:24

if I pulled up to the car? And

22:27

I was just like. I

22:31

would pull away. I would simply pull

22:33

away. I would pull away. Oh God.

22:36

Joe was licking his lips for you audio

22:38

listeners out there. I wouldn't look in

22:40

your car is the answer to that.

22:43

I would be like, I wouldn't have even looked

22:45

man. I would be very aware of you doing

22:47

the thing. I would've been like, no, I gotta get out of

22:49

here. Anyway. Horacio's

22:51

parents are pushing him to be a engineer

22:53

or a scientist as those would have been

22:56

a more sure path to success. Horacio went

22:58

with what his heart was telling him. He

23:00

returned to Casilda to begin building

23:03

a workshop on the outskirts of

23:05

town. Horacio started making anything and

23:07

everything he felt like making including

23:09

bar stools, agricultural tools,

23:12

devices for the handicapped and the first

23:14

official vehicle from a company carrying the

23:16

name Pagani, a prototype

23:18

camper. Oh, I was gonna move past it. Horacio

23:26

had found his way back to the automobile once again and

23:28

his next step on the path to automotive greatness would be

23:30

a big one. During the 1970s, Formula 2

23:32

racing was immensely popular in

23:35

Argentina. In his boldest move yet,

23:37

Horacio decided to take a big leap and

23:40

design a car to compete in the championship.

23:42

That is a huge leap, sorry. Sorry, yes. Yeah,

23:44

for sure. I know. I know. Formula

23:47

2 was probably more approachable back then, but

23:50

still, that's like, I'm not gonna do Formula 1 just

23:52

yet, but...

24:00

He recruited some friends to help and

24:02

began the arduous process of designing a

24:05

race car from scratch. In Horacio's case,

24:07

necessity was the mother of invention. What's

24:09

the mother-in-law of invention? Creativity.

24:13

Like when you have to

24:15

build a house in

24:18

your backyard because you can't share a

24:20

house with your mother-in-law. An ADU? That's

24:23

what they were called, mother-in-law units back in the

24:25

day. Ranny units? Yeah.

24:28

I mean, that's necessity. So that's

24:30

sanity. So wait, necessity? Oh, that's

24:33

already the mother. That's the thing. Dammit.

24:35

That's what I'm saying. Wait, no. Necessity

24:38

is the mother-in-law of invention. Though

24:41

he had a lot of experience in

24:43

bodywork and working with different materials, other

24:45

areas such as suspension design and aerodynamics

24:48

were totally new for Horacio. The

24:50

process of designing a Formula 2 car from

24:52

scratch took nearly two years to complete. That's

24:55

why it's called Formula 2. In

24:57

the end, he was still left

25:00

with a major missing component, the engine. Pretty

25:03

important. Yes. He repeatedly

25:05

reached out to Renault to secure an

25:07

engine sponsorship and heard nothing back. Eventually,

25:09

Horacio's persistence paid off and Renault called

25:11

him in to meet, but it wasn't

25:13

a normal pitch meeting. Horacio

25:15

had to present his car and plead his case at a dinner

25:17

of over 300 attendees. Ooh.

25:20

And it worked. Oh! God,

25:22

I've never had to convince 300 people to do

25:24

something. Anyway. Renault and Brass

25:26

were amazed by the car, which had been

25:29

designed by someone unknown to the racing world

25:31

that lived in the boonies. They

25:33

were so impressed that they not only agreed

25:35

to supply two engines, but to incorporate the

25:38

cars into their official team. Whoa. Wow.

25:42

Whoa! That's insane. Yeah, it's super crazy. When

25:45

Horacio's F2 car made its debut in 1979,

25:47

the 24-year-old's life was changed forever. The

25:52

car bore the number one and was

25:54

driven by Augustin Beaumont, the

25:57

previous year's champion. The car quickly

25:59

caught the attention of fans. and the

26:01

most prestigious engine designer in

26:03

Argentina, Oreste Berta, who asked

26:05

to meet the car's creator. Berta was

26:07

shown to the pits and introduced to Horacio,

26:10

and the two developed an instant bond. In

26:12

October, 1982, through his ventures in

26:14

F2 and his newfound friendship in

26:16

Berta, Horacio had the

26:18

opportunity to meet the legendary Juan

26:21

Manuel Fangio, a former F1 driver

26:23

from Argentina with five world championships

26:25

to his name, which was

26:27

a record at the time. He was immediately impressed

26:29

with the young designer and saw a great amount

26:32

of potential in him. This

26:34

chance meeting with Fangio would prove

26:36

to be crucial for Horacio's personal and

26:38

professional growth, and perhaps even

26:40

the hypercar market as we know today.

26:43

If you wanna hear some of his reflections

26:46

on his relationship with Fangio, check out

26:48

the Big Three episode where we interviewed

26:50

him, and he shares some insight. The

26:53

man himself talking about the other man.

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just want to stop real quick to say like a 24-year-old. Like

31:21

sometimes I get lost in these stories. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

31:23

sure, sure, sure. 24 years old

31:26

and you're again, leading your case

31:28

to 300 people and they're like, yeah,

31:30

you know what? We're going to let

31:32

the previous year's champion drive your car

31:34

on our official team. Yeah. Imagine

31:37

that at 24. I think I was

31:39

living on a cruise ship and I'm not joking. It's

31:42

also crazy that everything fell in line

31:45

like this, like three super

31:48

unlikely things had to happen for him to get to the

31:51

point where he is now. And it

31:53

all happened like very quickly. Like

31:55

he met the right people, they liked him. They

31:58

wanted to help him. And also. a

34:00

precarious financial situation. They

34:02

got married shortly after and established a

34:05

home of sorts at a campground near

34:07

Como. That's so romantic. Just

34:09

two lovebirds on the verge

34:11

of something new. Aracio

34:15

and Christina took modest jobs to stay

34:18

afloat. Aracio worked as a gardener and

34:20

a welder while Christina worked for a

34:22

relative nearby selling handmade items to tourists.

34:25

Eventually, one of Fongio's recommendation letters

34:27

paid off when he was contacted

34:30

by the aforementioned Alfieri from Lamborghini.

34:33

See, this is why whenever I

34:35

go abroad or any tourist destinations, I

34:37

buy those CDs. I buy

34:40

those little knickknacks. I spend hours upon

34:42

hours talking to these vendors because they

34:44

might be the next. Aracio Pagani. Oh

34:47

my God, can you imagine Chloe just

34:49

like, come on, dude. I know. You

34:51

don't even speak Italian. No, but I'm

34:53

there. You're using the translate thing on

34:56

your phone. Drive me fucking nuts. Are you

34:58

really going to listen to this Italian drill

35:00

artist? Yeah, I will. He's on the verge

35:02

of something great. Can write

35:04

your name on rice. Alfieri

35:08

offered him a job as a, quote,

35:10

third level worker in Lambo's experimental body

35:12

shop. Aracio and Christina were

35:15

soon off to Sant Agata Bolinese near

35:17

Bologna, where they moved into a small apartment.

35:20

Aracio was the first in and last

35:22

out every day. George Costanza. He quickly

35:24

made an impression at the company and

35:26

within no time was involved in just

35:28

about every project at the facility, including

35:30

the experimental SUV, the LM, the Alpa

35:32

and the Countach. In

35:35

1985, he even convinced Lamborghini to

35:37

create a composites division, of which

35:39

he was made manager. Aracio

35:41

was fascinated by the work and it

35:43

was here where he brought in his knowledge of materials

35:45

that would be crucial to the future of the

35:47

hypercar, including Kevlar and

35:49

carbon. I always wondered why

35:52

they named every other Lamborghini after

35:54

like a bull, but then

35:56

Countach is like a Spanish exclamation

35:59

of like. how

38:00

old was he here? He's

38:02

born in 55, so he was. Same

38:05

age as my dad. My dad

38:07

too. My mom. My mom and

38:10

my dad. Wow. Oh, my

38:12

dad's older than Horacio by a few

38:14

months though. Minus 1955. 37,

38:19

38? Okay, now he's

38:21

normal ageist for success because he's older

38:23

than me. And when

38:25

someone's younger than me, I'm like, whoa. And someone's older

38:27

than me, I'm like, makes sense. I've got plenty of

38:29

room to grow. Well, I'm at that

38:31

age where sports stars

38:34

that are my same age, their sons

38:38

and daughters are becoming sports stars. And

38:40

I'm like, god damn it, dude. There

38:43

goes my chances of going on the Mavericks.

38:46

I thought you were going to say that

38:48

they're all retiring and everyone's talking about how they're old

38:50

as shit constantly, which is also really weird. I

38:52

was watching college football highlights yesterday.

38:55

Chloe was in the kitchen. I was watching, I think,

38:57

like, I think it

39:00

was a Boston college FSU game. And

39:02

the quarterback breaks off this huge run. I'm

39:04

like, damn, that kid's fast. Wow.

39:09

Oh, my god. Then I was like, I heard

39:11

myself say that. I was like, that

39:13

wasn't that long ago. That's age. That was

39:15

only a few years ago. That's so wild. You're

39:17

31? 31 now. I

39:21

love being 31. That kid was

39:23

fast. 31, you liked being 31? I

39:25

loved being 31. I

39:27

too loved it. 32 is great. 32

39:30

is great. OK, good. I

39:32

think it was 35, 36 when

39:34

I was like, whoa, I don't even look like I did when

39:37

I was in my early 30s. And I was like, oh,

39:39

fucking wrinkles and shit. I know. I'm 35,

39:41

so. In

39:49

1993, Horacio Botland in

39:51

Valgraziosa, industrial area of

39:53

San Cesario, Sul Panero

39:56

in Modena. I almost did it. The

40:01

place he had dreamed of designing cars since he was

40:03

a kid, and he set to work. In

40:06

designing the car, he looked to Da

40:08

Vinci's code of marrying art and science

40:11

as a guiding principle. Horacio's

40:13

car had to be beautiful inside and out, but

40:16

also had to be on the cutting edge of

40:18

what was possible, or as Pagani put it, merging

40:21

technology and taste. The

40:24

project was officially known as Project C8, but

40:27

inside the walls of the design house it

40:29

was known as the Fongio F1. It would

40:31

also be the car's official name when it was revealed

40:33

to the public in a few years' time. Tragically

40:36

Fongio passed away in July 1995, before

40:40

the car had a chance to make its debut. Horacio

40:43

thought it would be inappropriate to market the car

40:45

with the Fongio name after his friend's death, so

40:48

he went with another, named for a

40:50

fierce wind originating in the Argentinian Andes.

40:53

The Zonda! That's a

40:55

classy move. That is super classy. My

40:57

friend died, I'm not going to name

40:59

it after him. I

41:01

think there's some less

41:04

than considerable

41:07

companies that would maybe do that.

41:09

Yeah, like name their whole company

41:12

after a mathematician. This is a

41:14

good one. Tesla. Oh,

41:16

yeah. But I mean, Elon didn't know Tesla

41:18

though. I'm just saying, it'd be an easy way to be

41:21

like, I don't

41:23

know, like if I died, and then

41:25

you were like, I'm gonna name

41:27

my plunger company Sykes. Sykes

41:31

shit suckers. You might move a

41:33

few units initially off the

41:35

hype of my head. Especially because Sykes shit suckers. I think

41:37

it would have more to do with shit suckers than Sykes.

41:41

How long have you had that in your back

41:43

pocket? Did I say something?

41:46

No, but also though, is it not

41:48

an homage to name it? After it, like I

41:50

get where the marketing part would be uncomfortable, but

41:52

I also think like calling it the fondue of

41:54

your planning on doing that all along. I

41:56

think it'd be weird if he had any living

41:59

relatives. and be like, I'm

42:01

profiting off of your family name. I agree

42:03

with the profiting part, but if this was

42:05

already in the works, would it

42:07

then just become like, oh, this is a legacy

42:09

point? But it appears that in their relationship,

42:12

he would not feel it was a legacy point,

42:14

so moot point. I'm just

42:16

positing because I don't think it's like inherently

42:19

capitalistic. I think it's more just

42:21

like, are

42:23

you trying to dedicate this to your

42:25

friend? Because if I died and you

42:27

named it Joe, what company do

42:29

you think I would own? Christina's

42:32

butt licker wet wipes. Great.

42:36

I would not feel bad about that. Feels

42:39

like a tongue in your butt. That's the catchphrase. Feels like

42:41

a tongue in your butt. All right, let's move on, please.

42:46

I could do it for everyone in this room right

42:48

now, if you want. No, let's save that for lunchtime

42:50

when you get really gross. Bizonda

42:52

took shape using the aggressive raw

42:55

Le Mans prototype and fighter jets

42:57

as inspiration. Makes sense. As

43:00

well as the intricate details of luxury watches and

43:02

the elegance of Riva luxury boats, as we

43:04

all know very well. And

43:08

in honor of Fangio who drove for Mercedes,

43:10

a partnership was sought out with Mercedes

43:12

to supply the engines. Then

43:14

in 1998, at age 43, Horacio

43:17

decided to restructure his company into an

43:20

official auto manufacturer, bearing his name.

43:23

Pagani Automobili. A

43:26

year later, Lezonda was ready and officially

43:28

made its debut at the 1999 International

43:30

Motor Show at Geneva. It

43:33

was a gamble to enter a space dominated

43:35

by Titans like Ferrari and Lamborghini, but

43:37

critics were quickly convinced. Lezonda had

43:40

the outrageous supercar spaceship aura of

43:42

the Kuntash or F40, a

43:44

carbon fiber body, a beautifully ornate interior,

43:47

and Mercedes bulletproof 444 horsepower M120 V12

43:49

engine. It's

43:54

crazy to think that a V12 can

43:56

be super reliable, but I was talking to

43:59

you. to a guy on Instagram

44:01

who basically only works on

44:03

these engines and does engine swaps with them and

44:06

stuff down in Alabama.

44:09

That's where Mercedes is, one of their factories. Oh,

44:11

that makes sense then. Duh. Outside

44:14

Birmingham. It's Birmingham. I

44:17

was ready to move on. The

44:22

Zondes performance was equally impressive. 0-60

44:25

came in 4 seconds flat, just

44:27

like me. Blistering and acceleration. Blistering

44:30

and acceleration, even for today. And it

44:33

could even keep up with the best

44:35

of its contemporaries on the track. Orders

44:39

poured in faster, more

44:41

powerful versions of the Zondes followed, such as

44:43

the Zondes F with the F and

44:46

the Perfongio. See, that's nice. See,

44:48

that's, I like that. Okay, cool.

44:50

You're right. That's classy. The

44:52

first thing I got from the interview was that

44:55

Pagani loves his cars so much that

44:58

he often buys them back years

45:00

later. And he had just spent $17 million

45:03

on a Zondes F buying

45:06

one back from a client. I felt my soul

45:10

shrivel a little bit when he said that because that's

45:12

so... Not that

45:14

I'm expecting a car that was originally $3

45:16

million to depreciate or Pagani to depreciate

45:18

it all, but it's like, I'll never own

45:21

one of these things. But also, is he

45:23

buying it or is it a work expense?

45:26

It could live in a Pagani

45:28

factory and be a write off for them or

45:30

something. That's a good point. Just

45:32

start in LLC. Yeah, Nolan. And

45:35

then to spend $17 million. Oh, okay. So

45:38

then Sykes, shit suckers. Yeah. I

45:41

can buy the 17 million flunkers. I bought this. I think

45:43

I can get the Instagram handle for that pretty easily. Well,

45:47

that was the sound

45:49

that you put over a swear. Oh,

45:51

me? I made that sound

45:53

of your voice. I'm very talented. These Zondes F's are

45:55

so cool. Here's an orange one on Google that I'm

45:57

looking at. It's like, man, I wish that was my

45:59

life. You know what? They're probably not happy though.

46:01

I mean, probably pretty

46:03

happy. Whoever has a Zonda

46:06

F that I want, I

46:08

just tell myself that they're not as happy as me

46:10

and move on, but that's probably... They

46:13

got their own shit going on,

46:15

right? Cope much? Yeah. What? Copium?

46:18

The grass is always orange, Pagani,

46:20

Zonda F on the other side. So. So

46:24

the ultimate version of the Zonda, the R debuted in 2007 and managed

46:26

to set a Nordschläfe

46:29

production car record with a lap time of

46:31

6 minutes 47 seconds. If

46:34

you have a Pagani Zonda in

46:36

Southern California, can I please drive it? Yeah.

46:38

Please. You will make content and shout you

46:40

out. I'll do more than that. I'll

46:44

come in four seconds. Shit's

46:47

not the only thing he sucks. Let's just say that.

46:50

All right. All right. All right. All right. This

46:52

is a married man. This is a married

46:54

man called athletes. Oh yeah. I'm not wearing my ring.

46:57

It's because we're recording this before

46:59

my wedding. Oh yes. That's probably after my wedding once

47:01

coming out. Oh wow. That's so... Wow. That's crazy.

47:05

The Zonda became nothing short of a global

47:07

phenomenon and was featured on Top Gear.

47:10

Basically in any car magazines you could get

47:12

your hands on in the early 2000s. Here

47:14

was a brand new super car company with the

47:16

audacity to join the ranks of some of the

47:18

most prestigious brands in the world

47:21

and it succeeded. Poracio's

47:23

dream, one he had imagined as

47:25

a small boy in Argentina had finally come

47:27

true. Pagani could have retired at this

47:29

point, but sleep is for the dead. And

47:31

shortly after the Zonda was introduced, Pagani started

47:33

to work on his next car. For

47:35

his next act, Poracio had the

47:37

benefit of prestige, cashflow, more advanced

47:40

composites, and car building know-how under

47:42

his belt. The result was the

47:44

Huayra, which debuted in 2011.

47:46

Named for Huayra Tata, the cashflow god of wind,

47:49

the Huayra, built upon the template established

47:51

by the Zonda. Like its predecessor, it used

47:53

a V12 sourced from Mercedes and made anywhere

47:55

from 730 to 888 horsepower, depending on... the

48:00

variant. Herosia once again

48:02

pushed the envelope of composites. The

48:04

Wiro is the first car to

48:06

use carbon titanium HP62, material even

48:09

stronger and lighter in standard carbon

48:11

fiber. These things are like 1800

48:13

pounds too. For real?

48:15

They're super light. Oh my God. We see 2600 pounds.

48:19

Still, that's still very light. That's

48:21

a Miata. Yeah.

48:24

No. It's lighter than a Miata because they're 2800 pounds.

48:27

And you said they're like surprisingly big too, right?

48:30

I mean, they just look, I don't, yeah, I mean, they

48:32

are long. That's a long car. How

48:34

many did I say? 203 inches? 203

48:36

inches. That's super long. Because like

48:38

how long is a Miata? My truck is 280. I would

48:41

say a Miata is 170 inches. Yeah.

48:43

My Mustang was 186. Wow.

48:46

That's crazy. It's

48:48

local. In

48:51

2022, Pagani launched their current hypercar, the

48:54

Utopia, once again drawing upon the principles

48:56

of artful design and cutting edge technology

48:58

to bring a truly unique car

49:00

to market. When asked about what

49:02

the future may hold for the brand, Horacio

49:05

says he prefers to let the desires of

49:07

the customers lead the way. He has also

49:09

stated that this collaborative approach with his customers

49:11

is why Pagani currently does not have plans

49:13

for an electric or hybrid car. It's

49:15

not something his customers are interested in. This was

49:17

in the interview that we did. Yeah. In

49:19

a world where 200 miles per hour

49:21

is pedestrian and super fast, they're at

49:23

60 times have been democratized by electric

49:26

cars. Horacio believes three key things separate

49:28

Pagani from the pack. Simplicity,

49:30

lightness, and the art of

49:32

keeping driving, quote, here. For

49:35

all of its futuristic looks and spacecraft

49:37

worthy materials, Pagani Hypercars represents a turn

49:39

back to a traditional sense of driving

49:42

pleasure with its latest cars

49:44

even being offered with manual transmissions.

49:46

Horacio's story is one of perseverance,

49:49

passion, and a love for his craft. From

49:51

his humble beginnings in Argentina making models

49:53

from wood as a child to making

49:55

mini bikes a buggy and eventually an

49:58

F2 car from scratch. Horacio's

50:00

story is also one of friendship, and he

50:02

credits the friends he made while in F2

50:04

with landing him the opportunity to design cars

50:06

in Europe. He was no stranger to

50:08

struggling for his art and taking risks. He

50:11

moved to Italy with no job, took

50:13

work as a gardener, and when Lamborghini didn't

50:15

believe in his composite's research, he took out

50:17

a loan to fund it himself. Drawing

50:20

from Da Vinci's marriage of art

50:22

and science, his cars are just

50:24

as much sculptures as they are

50:26

technological marvels. His pioneering of full

50:28

composite chassis revolutionized the auto industry

50:31

and are now fixtures on practically every

50:33

supercar. His ornate,

50:35

watch-inspired interiors found their way into

50:37

supercars as well, with cars like

50:39

Bugatti Tourbillon having a gauge

50:42

cluster modeled after a watch face. If

50:44

Horacio's influence on the auto industry continues

50:46

into the future as it has in

50:48

the past 25 years, then maybe those

50:51

of us tired of huge screens,

50:53

hybrid powertrains, and minimalist design

50:55

and a love for the analog may

50:57

just be saved after all. Right.

51:00

Dude, I can't believe he moved there with just a

51:02

tent. And a bike. That's crazy.

51:05

And a wife. Named Christina, also my

51:07

name. That's his name. Spelled

51:09

different. I mean, just

51:11

an amazing story and still incredible cars.

51:13

If you have a Pagani, I would love

51:15

to drive one someday. Anyway,

51:18

really cool to see him still striving to

51:20

make just the best possible car he can.

51:24

It's like meeting Tom

51:26

Hanks. We were like, oh, everything they say

51:28

about you is true. He

51:31

was super down to earth, willing to talk

51:33

to us, which I'm pretty sure he'd never

51:35

heard of us. I don't know. Yeah,

51:38

we don't know. But the companies run

51:40

like a family. Son Christopher, we've talked to

51:42

a few times. He's super nice. Just like,

51:45

yeah, great family over there, great business. So,

51:48

man, love these cars. Let's

51:50

get to some listener mail. Bonjour. My

51:53

name is Lucas from Topeka, Kansas. I am

51:55

a mechanic for USPS and love listening to

51:57

you guys during my day. Thanks. I

52:00

was wondering if you could do an episode on

52:03

mail delivery vehicles the mail trucks UPS trucks and

52:05

any other vehicles used There are two

52:07

trucks coming out to the post office and they are

52:09

dog ugly Also congrats

52:11

to you for to you all for

52:13

getting engaged. Thank you and keep

52:15

it juiced. Nice. Thank you Lucas we We've

52:19

been wanting to do a video for the

52:21

main channel on Grumman LLV long

52:24

lasting vehicles, but which is the what like

52:26

the post office Jeep

52:30

Is and I would love to do an

52:32

episode a pass gas Because

52:34

it probably make more sense to go past gas

52:36

than a main channel video, but thank

52:38

you for the suggestion Thank

52:42

you so much for listening to this

52:44

show follow my co-hosts on social media

52:46

you got Joji Weber Christina

52:48

Felsky At Christina

52:50

Felsky. That's it. That's it. Follow me at no

52:52

one day Sykes if you'd like and

52:55

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53:00

thanks to the crew. We got Edgar Grajeda

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