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John C Dvorak: No, just load up. Unknown: Adam curry. John C Dvorak, Thursday,

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Adam Curry: September 12, 2024 this is your award winning

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Gilbert nation. Media assassination Episode 1694,

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Unknown: this is no agenda. Adam Curry: We are hyperscalers, and we're broadcasting live from

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the heart of the Texas Hill Country, right here in FEMA

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Region. Number six in the morning. Everybody. I'm Adam

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curry and John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all

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asking the question as to why did MTV become a station ground

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for Satanists. I'm John C Dvorak. It's

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Unknown: Craig Vaughn Adam Curry: and buzzkill in the morning. Oh, man, you actually

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watched. John C Dvorak: I caught it by accident.

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Adam Curry: First of all, what a who's doing the scheduling over

0:45

there? What a dumb, dumb timing to do the MTV awards?

0:51

John C Dvorak: Well, like I said, I didn't watch it. I didn't I was just going through channels, and I ran, actually

0:56

ran into the span onto the Spanish channel. So it was all

1:00

subtitled to try to learn a little more Spanish, yeah, and I

1:04

just caught the end of it. It was terrible. And Adam Curry: here's a good idea, let's do a big award show with

1:09

Satanists on 911 John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's pretty funny. I

1:15

Adam Curry: i could not this the first time in, oh man, 3030,

1:21

something years, I just I could not watch, but I have no best

1:25

John C Dvorak: part. What did I Well, trans Maoist stuff at the

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end, Unknown: oh goodness. See, Adam Curry: this is, this is why I'm happy I didn't watch. Did

1:33

you know what to expect? It's the same every single year.

1:36

Actually, I think I I decided not to watch when I read this

1:39

article from CNBC, when viewers tune into the 2024, MTV VMAs,

1:48

which, by the way, that's, that's just a little craw here

1:50

for me, stuck on my craw. But well, because back in my day, we

1:56

would say VMAs, and then the producer would come on and go,

2:00

Yeah, that's a burn. You have to say Video Music Awards. You

2:02

can't say VMAs. Oh, interesting. They wouldn't let us say

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John C Dvorak: that. Actually, I should stop. Just mentioned

2:10

before I forget that when I tuned it in, by accident, I

2:14

thought it was the adult video movie award because I did the

2:19

outfits. The outfit now scantly glad that was a show

2:24

Adam Curry: back in the day the AVN avns, yeah, with the same

2:28

time was Ava, dull video, no, I think it was AVN wasn't it? Um,

2:33

wasn't that same time as Comdex, I want to say

2:36

John C Dvorak: yeah. Well, it was, you did crossover, yeah,

2:40

yeah, Adam Curry: yeah, honey, I really have to go to Comdex this

2:44

year. It's really important, you know, I'll just go the last few

2:47

days. That's always better. Yeah, don't even see the

2:50

beginning. Don't need the keynotes. As part of a new

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partnership between Paramount global the parent company of

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cable and TV network MTV, and shoppable advertising company

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shop sense AI viewers will be able to shop the outfits they're

3:04

seeing on screen using the startup's new AI powered lens,

3:09

which will launch at the start of the award show. I was done

3:13

like, no, no, I don't think so. I don't think so.

3:18

John C Dvorak: You have to watch these religiously, yes, but you

3:21

Adam Curry: know, and then I'd report, and it's a grumbling, grumbling the whole while. Yeah, hey, guess what? Satanism.

3:27

Satanism. Again. Guess what? Everybody, Satanism. So I got

3:31

tired of that. You know, we're in this I did have a for the

3:35

first time in many, many years. I had a moment of weakness. The

3:39

other day. I said the Ts, I really love my job, but I'm

3:43

tired of the loop. You know, the media has just become so

3:47

predictable, so dumb, and you know, most people are starting

3:52

to figure it out. You know, it's like, how much longer before I,

3:57

you know, before I do something drastic? Don't you ever have

4:01

that feeling? And we're just in this perpetual loop.

4:05

John C Dvorak: It always he has enough. It's like, it's like a

4:08

stamp collecting, Adam Curry: podcasting. Just like stamp collecting, yeah?

4:14

Another thing chicks think is really hot, yeah, sure. Oh

4:17

John C Dvorak: yeah. The chicks would all go from the podcasters

4:19

and the stamp collectors, the stamp collectors and figurines,

4:26

action figures, Star

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Adam Curry: Trek action figures, Star John C Dvorak: Trek, specifically, chick magnet.

4:36

Yeah, Adam Curry: so I interrupted you about the poop loop you were

4:40

going to say, John C Dvorak: I don't know what I was going to say now.

4:46

Adam Curry: Well, you were saying the news has enough, and

4:48

then you said, stamp collecting. Guys said, Don't you get tired

4:53

of the of the cycle of this continuous No, I

4:57

John C Dvorak: find it. It's interesting because they, they.

5:00

They're not standing still. They're always doing new stuff.

5:03

I have a number of debate clips here, and to dig into the

5:08

deconstruction to find these little idiosyncratic things,

5:13

let's talk about the debate. Well, let Adam Curry: me start for one second, and then I'll let you

5:16

get to get your clips. Clips. You've got clips. Yes, here's

5:22

how the meeting went. Mr. President, you were so effective

5:28

on the previous debate. You were calm and collected. More of

5:32

that, please. Unknown: They're eating the dogs.

5:35

Adam Curry: Mr. President, that's not exactly what we

5:39

meant. John C Dvorak: That's great stuff. But first of all, what

5:46

did you think? Who won? Adam Curry: Well, I have, I have a different thoughts than who

5:53

won. If you want to hear them, I'll tell you what I thought.

5:59

First of all, I never underestimate President Trump's

6:01

ability to effectively communicate to the American

6:04

people. You know, he's a UFC, he's a showbiz guy. He

6:08

understands, he understands the American psyche. But this was

6:12

not his arena. This was not a debate. This was not a UFC

6:16

Smackdown. This was a courtroom. Now, if you've ever been in

6:19

court, and I recognize this this, it's a very uneasy

6:23

experience when the other side, whether it's whether if it's a

6:29

civil case, or if a prosecutor is up there, is making their

6:33

case against you, even if they're not lying, it can make

6:36

you question yourself. And I remember this so well from my

6:41

MTV domain name case, people should look it up, if you don't

6:44

know, because it was very clear to me how that went down. They

6:48

said, Oh, you know, you can, you can use it. Don't worry. We've

6:51

got the AOL keyword. We're not interested in the internet. Yes,

6:54

exactly. We're not interested. And and then the the Viacom

6:59

lawyer stood up and they explained the version of the

7:02

truth from their side and and it was the same feeling I had were

7:07

watching this, you know this, this courtroom drama was not a

7:10

not a debate by any stretch of the imagination. And I was like,

7:14

Oh, I recognize this feeling. This is what happens when you're

7:18

in a courtroom. So when the truth is being bent or told from

7:22

a different perspective, or if it's a lie, you can't help but

7:26

respond. So this trolling that Vice President Harris did, she's

7:31

an expert at this, because she's a prosecutor, and I think that

7:34

he was unprepared for that, and it made him protest too much,

7:39

and we were the jury. We were the jury watching this, knowing

7:46

our version of the truth, and had to shut up and sit silently

7:50

as you do in the jury box. So her gestures, her glances,

7:56

looking straight at the defendant, all courtroom drama,

7:59

but this, of course, isn't Judge Judy, it wasn't a debate. This

8:02

is a representation, actually, of the US legal system as it is

8:05

today. And in this case, we had two judges instead of

8:08

moderators, and we the neuter jury were sitting on the

8:12

sidelines. So afterwards, and this is maybe where my fatigue

8:17

came from, all the discussion that ensued was just part of the

8:20

culture war economy. You know, cable news, big podcast names

8:24

like code Bongino and Megyn Kelly and Beck and everyone's

8:28

always but they felt gypped. Now, on the other hand, I I have

8:34

trust in the real American people, not the culture war

8:37

economy, who are struggling, who heard his repeated messages

8:42

about the economy, repetition works about immigration, yes,

8:46

they're eating the dogs. I think was genius, because in America

8:51

today, but around the world, but in America, certainly we got fur

8:54

babies. We got dog tours. Oh, someone's kid got raped and

8:59

killed. Tough luck. What they're coming for the dogs. I think

9:03

that actually worked and war. So I can't say that there was a win

9:09

for the for for the for the talkers. Kamala Harris did a

9:13

phenomenal job as a prosecutor. She didn't really say much, or

9:17

didn't say anything. Explain much about her.

9:21

John C Dvorak: A lot. She did a great job of that. But

9:23

Adam Curry: would you agree that this was a she's a prosecutor,

9:26

and this is what she has done her entire life, and Trump was

9:31

not prepared. And quite honestly, I don't think you can

9:35

prepare to be in the witness box or be on trial in a courtroom.

9:41

Just look at how Trump is in the courtroom. It's very difficult.

9:45

And really, as a witness, you had your lawyer can do stuff for

9:49

you, ie your surrogates, but you really, you're defenseless in

9:52

that case. And so, for that matter, if there's a win, I

9:56

think it's on Trump's side, because he got his message out.

9:59

Can. Consistently, He showed that he was angry if there's a

10:03

win for the what I call Mo, and I just came up with this, the

10:08

culture war economy. It was Harris. So, you know, not

10:12

really. And also, I'm not so sure this so called debate

10:16

changes anyone's opinion. John C Dvorak: Well, that I think you're right. And that

10:21

analysis, which I've not heard, I have a couple gotchas in my

10:25

stuff too, but that is excellent. I think you probably

10:28

nailed it the I think the public saw it as a Harris win. I think

10:36

everyone saw it as Harris. And I watched it with a group. I had

10:39

Jay and her husband with your church group, with a church

10:44

group of Democrats. Adam Curry: Oh, so you were watching the room,

10:50

John C Dvorak: and so they were all, you know, just pleased this

10:52

punch about the whole thing. But the funny thing was, we had it

10:55

on tape delay so we could stop it. And JC, actually, in the

11:01

middle of he was here in the middle of the the dog just

11:06

before, as the dog thing came out, he he had looked into the

11:10

dog thing and the Haitians and gave us about a seven minute

11:15

lecture as during pause on how The Haitians eat stray animals

11:22

in Haiti, and it's not uncommon for them to do that, and they

11:25

don't think it's a big deal. And he had a lot of background

11:27

information on this, and I thought that was and that's

11:29

true. That is absolutely true, absolutely true. And so it's not

11:34

without outside the realm or crazy talk to think that this

11:38

could be going on in Springfield. There's a lot of evidence for it. Now, my clips are about the lying on on one

11:49

side or the other, mostly on the parasite. She was a big liar. Oh

11:54

yeah, but, but the but I would say that the summary that right

11:59

after the event, Rachel Maddow and I have the clip, uh, did a

12:04

because this is interesting. I recorded this thing on I on

12:08

YouTube video, I click, I I agree, and it showed the check

12:12

mark. I recorded it on ABC, NBC, Fox and MSNBC, you were going

12:18

for bear only. MSNBC recorded.

12:23

Unknown: Oh, isn't that interesting? John C Dvorak: I thought so. But okay, I can, because I wanted

12:28

the fox one, but I the MSNBC one was fine. That gave me the

12:32

Rachel thing at the end. So Rachel Maddow comes out and does

12:35

a summary, and I think this was the summary that most Democrats

12:38

as the way Democrats thought. I think she did a wonderful job of

12:41

summarizing from the Democrat perspective, exactly, sorry,

12:46

wait, wait, exactly what was, what was being thought. Now I

12:51

want to mention, before you play this, I don't know why. First of

12:56

all, we noticed a couple of things. One, when they first

12:58

showed her, she had huge bags under her eyes. Yeah, that were

13:02

like, What happened to this woman? And then they fit

13:05

somebody, I guess, saw it in on the monitor, and they went out

13:08

with the makeup person and sprayed them. She looked

13:12

terrible, and she was almost in tears, as she's giving this

13:16

little spiel here, she's like crying, almost crying, for some

13:20

reason, she gets this kind of maudlin style of presentation.

13:26

She's like borderline in tears. I have no idea why, but here we

13:31

go. You Unknown: could not have two more different candidates with two

13:36

more different approaches to the task at hand here, I had a

13:42

television executive once tell me that everything you need to

13:45

know about a live event on television, you can tell with

13:49

that, with the sound off. And if you had the sound off for this

13:52

debate, which I'm sure nobody did, what's funny, that's

13:54

Adam Curry: how I watch Rachel Maddow all the time, she's

13:56

absolutely right. Yes, very good. Unknown: And if you had the sound off for this debate, which

14:01

I'm sure nobody did. What you would have seen was Trump

14:03

looking physically hunched, angry, squinting, I never saw

14:09

the whites of his eyes. The entire debate, shouting,

14:14

constantly interrupting himself, not just going down tangents,

14:18

but being unable to finish a thought seeming very frustrated,

14:22

very angry, very negative and very tired. In contrast, Kamala

14:29

Harris appeared to be sort of light on her feet, quite puzzled

14:33

by him. The two shot of him squinting and hunching and

14:38

having seeming be having physical trouble squeezing the

14:41

words out, certainly squeezing the sentences out, while she

14:44

just looked at him, absolutely puzzled by where it was he was

14:48

going. I think that visual may be as much of a takeaway as

14:52

anything that was said. That said, Boy, what was said? Trump,

14:57

repeatedly coming back to the same lines over and over. Over

15:00

again about world crime rates being low because not being the

15:05

explanation for America having high crime rates. He said

15:10

strange things, like all Democrats wanted Roe versus Wade

15:13

overturned. He said that it is legal to kill children in the

15:17

United States. He insisted that he saw something on television

15:20

about eating dogs, that was one of the weirdest moments of the

15:24

debate, saying he saw it on television. So therefore he

15:27

knows it's true, and so therefore what the police said

15:29

about it can't be true. Kamala Harris kept going back to her

15:34

plan her campaign, but also kept going directly at him,

15:38

yeah, that sounds about right. John C Dvorak: Yeah. There was a big lie in there, a massive lie.

15:43

And my theme here is going to be lie. You are what, uh, I am,

15:51

what I say you are, Adam Curry: what yourself be, yourself, which

15:56

John C Dvorak: was evident in the lie that she had in there.

15:59

In the last 10 seconds, she told a a whopper that you didn't

16:04

catch. Well,

16:06

Adam Curry: it to me, it was all, what? What did she say?

16:09

John C Dvorak: She said that the police had denied that there

16:12

were dog eating Adam Curry: dogs. Yeah, the police, I have body cam footage

16:18

of police in Springfield, it's 24 seconds. We

16:22

John C Dvorak: all seen that. Well, not everybody, not everybody.

16:24

Adam Curry: Let me just 24 seconds. Let me play it so

16:27

people have heard it. Please sort it. Unknown: What did you do?

16:32

Why'd you kill the cat? Did you eat that cat? Did you eat it

16:38

now? Why'd you kill it? Did you guys see all this? No, we pulled

16:43

up and she was just laying there with him. Do

16:45

you see her eating it? She was eating it. Yeah, she was gonna

16:49

call the Humane Society see if they'll come pick those cat up.

16:52

It's deceased. Adam Curry: Did did JC and his cat analysis of Haitians? Did he

16:56

bring up the voodoo and religious No, no, because

17:01

there's, there's that too in Haiti, there's a lot of,

17:03

John C Dvorak: yeah, there's a lot of animals. So, so she said,

17:07

and she was referring to David Muir interrupting Trump during

17:10

the dog speech. And David Muir specifically, and did it more

17:14

than once, I think twice, at least, said it was the city

17:17

manager. Yes, the city manager is not the police. It's not the

17:23

head of police, it's not the chief of police. It's not

17:26

anything, no, that would have anything. The chief the city

17:29

manager, is basically a glorified bookkeeper who makes

17:32

sure that the city runs, uh, oversees this and hiring and

17:36

things like that. He wouldn't know the crime in the town to

17:39

this extent that they were talking about, but they brought

17:42

up, I guess somebody at ABC called the city manager, but

17:46

Rachel twisted that to say the police. Yeah, that is a lie.

17:51

Adam Curry: Oh, surprise. John C Dvorak: So let's listen to the dog thing, because it is

17:56

funny. I have two. I have the clip in the follow up clip about

18:00

Trump and his dog. Now I have to say this. I thought that rate,

18:05

that not Rachel the that Kamala had done an excellent job of

18:12

mugging. And I thought she if there was going to be a winner,

18:15

she won. But then as I started getting doing the clips and

18:19

taking chunks and not looking at at the visuals. It was like it

18:24

reminded me a little bit of the Kennedy Nixon debates, and I'll

18:27

go back in history, because it was talked about a lot. If you

18:31

watched it on TV, there was they did two polls. People who

18:34

watched it on TV thought Kennedy won, and people who listened on

18:38

the radio thought Nixon won. Ah yes,

18:40

Adam Curry: I remember this. This is a big deal. And

18:44

John C Dvorak: when you start listening to it, and just

18:46

listening to the clips, or even seeing just clips, even though

18:49

you can't see some visuals, Trump won,

18:54

Adam Curry: that's what that's what I mean by all of his little

18:56

nuggets that he kept repeating, those are the ones he

18:59

John C Dvorak: had a lot of gems in there. But the dog thing,

19:02

which is the most interesting, because it was the most

19:05

outrageous and got the most attention, was actually quite

19:10

good. And the way he did it, I can imagine his handlers going

19:14

nuts about it. But at the same time, if you listen to these

19:17

clips just by themselves, like we're gonna do now, there's, I

19:20

got the front end of it and the end of it where she goes, thinks

19:23

it's nuts. I think it's genius. And then to David Muir and his

19:29

associate there to interrupt him with the city manager, said, no

19:33

that that makes it worse, but let's play these,

19:36

Unknown: and I'm going to actually do something really unusual, and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald

19:41

Trump's rallies, because it's a really interesting thing to

19:43

watch. You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks

19:47

about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk

19:51

about when Mills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is

19:55

that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion

19:58

and boredom. I. And I will tell you, the one thing you will not

20:01

hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about

20:05

your needs, your dreams and your needs and your desires. And I'll

20:09

tell you I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you

20:13

first, and I pledge to you that I will first. Let me

20:15

respond this to the rallies she said, people started leaving.

20:18

People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go this,

20:21

Adam Curry: by the way. That was, that was an excellent troll

20:24

by her, and she got him to defend it. That was, it was,

20:28

John C Dvorak: well, actually, I will, should mention this. Chris

20:30

Hayes had an analysis of all her uh resp, and I thought it was

20:34

pretty good. I didn't clip it, but he did say that she was

20:38

doing binary responses, where she say one thing and then troll

20:41

Trump as a one two punch, and he claims it worked. I think it

20:47

kind of worked. Adam Curry: It worked with with crowd size.

20:52

John C Dvorak: Yeah, they like, they love to give him crap about

20:55

that. Didn't work Adam Curry: with you disrespect the military. He never took that

20:59

bait. And she tried it maybe five times. She kept trying,

21:02

trying. John C Dvorak: It did work once, when he went on about how that

21:06

he had fired these people, and then they, they turned on him.

21:08

Yeah. But Adam Curry: she was, you know what she was calling she was

21:10

talking about, oh yeah. She John C Dvorak: was trying. John Kelly, is the is the bet is the

21:15

bad actor. The guy was a creep. Anyway, if you look at his

21:18

background, let's continue. She said Unknown: people started leaving. People don't go to her rallies.

21:22

There's no reason to go. And the people that do go, she's busting

21:25

them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a

21:29

different light. So she can't talk about that. People don't

21:32

leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most

21:35

incredible rallies in the history. This is where

21:37

Adam Curry: Tina threw up her hands stop doing that. This is,

21:40

this is where the jury in the jury box is like, what are you

21:43

doing Unknown: politics? That's because people want to take

21:46

their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a failing

21:50

nation, and it happened three and a half years ago. And what?

21:54

What's going on here? You're going to end up in world war

21:57

three, just to go into another subject, what they have done to

22:00

our country by allowing these millions and millions of people

22:04

to come into our country and look at what's happening to the

22:07

towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't

22:10

want to talk it's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot

22:13

of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so

22:15

embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the

22:19

dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're

22:22

eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there.

22:28

And this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame.

22:31

I just want to clarify here. You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and

22:35

ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us

22:38

there have been no credible reports of specific claims of

22:41

pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the

22:44

immigrant community, people on television. Let me just say

22:47

here, this is the people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So

22:52

maybe he said that, and maybe that's a good thing to say for a

22:55

city manager. I'm not taking this from television. Dog was eaten by

23:00

the people that went there. John C Dvorak: Now the question is, because, why is he getting

23:05

into a debate with Muir? Adam Curry: Because this happened throughout the

23:09

John C Dvorak: whole of the whole of Adam Curry: it, because Muir is the judge, the judge, I'm just

23:13

seeing it from a courtroom perspective. He's like, hey,

23:15

Judge, you're wrong and shut up. Judge, that's not your job. Let

23:19

Kamala, let the prosecutor, uh, make her Yeah, I

23:23

John C Dvorak: Yes. Well, that's definitely going on. So he kind

23:25

of does have a comeback here, which I guess is memorable.

23:29

Unknown: Regardless, Trump has continued to strike a positive.

23:32

I'm sorry, John C Dvorak: does that part? No, no, I'm Adam Curry: sorry. I'm sorry, my mistake. Hold on. You have it on

23:36

all caps. It's a little hard to read sometimes, um, interesting.

23:40

Wait, where is it? Yes, I got it. Here again, the

23:43

Unknown: Springfield city manager says there's no evidence

23:45

of that. Vice President, I'll let you respond to the rest of

23:47

what you've heard talk about extreme you know, this is, I think, one

23:54

of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the

23:58

endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with

24:03

President Bush, Mitt Romney and John McCain, including the

24:08

endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and

24:11

Congress member Liz Cheney.

24:14

She's no longer in Congress. Okay,

24:18

John C Dvorak: that's a lie. Then yes, by the standards they

24:21

put on Trump, debt would be a lie, just

24:23

Adam Curry: to intersperse this debate analysis. So it's not all

24:27

just debate clips. I want to just focus for a moment on

24:31

Springfield. First of all, one of our producers went there and

24:36

he Texas junta. He said, I went to see what was going on with

24:42

the Haitians. He said he went to Springfield for a day. He just

24:45

went there to see what was going on. He said, Holy cow, Haitians

24:49

are everywhere. He said he went to the auto parts store a line

24:53

of Haitians getting things for their cars. One guy in line

24:56

actually had to activate the card he was using before he

24:59

made. Purchase you see where he's coming from. So it's very

25:04

obvious what is happening in Springfield, but then I found

25:08

from two days ago, coincidentally, a PBS Frontline

25:13

piece on what's happening in Springfield. I took, took two

25:17

relatively short clips from it. This is exactly and when Trump

25:20

says people around the country are seeing it, I think that hits

25:23

home, because whether it's eating the dogs or driving like

25:27

crazy or gumming up the public works, this is happening

25:32

everywhere. I've seen it for the past 25 years, in the

25:34

Netherlands, where they bring in immigrants, they throw them into

25:38

these small towns. In this case, this is exactly what the bankers

25:41

wanted. We've talked about it. Suppress wages, bring in cheap

25:45

workers, and this is what PBS discovered boots on the ground

25:50

in Springfield, Ohio. The reason

25:52

Unknown: they left is their home country is disintegrating.

25:56

Protests and increasing violence in the Caribbean nation

25:59

culminated in the assassination of President Jovenel Moise in

26:03

2021 since then, the country spiraled. Armed gangs currently

26:10

control 80% of the capital. Port de Prince mirceous is one of the

26:15

estimated 731,000 Haitian immigrants now living in the

26:19

United States. I got my brothers and sisters, my mother still living there. I'm

26:23

always thinking about my family in Haiti because of that violence, the US granted what's called Temporary

26:29

Protected Status to Haitians in the US, giving them limited time

26:34

permission to live and work here. TPS was then expanded by

26:38

the Biden administration. Mr. Says he came to Springfield for

26:43

the same reason most Haitians did. He heard that housing was

26:46

cheap and jobs were plentiful. What started slowly, we had an application pool that was a

26:52

little bit different. People coming to work here, people

26:55

looking for jobs. What he's welding here again, are welded

26:59

axle components. Jamie McGregor is the CEO of McGregor metal, which makes welded parts

27:05

for the auto and farm industries. Right now, about 10%

27:08

of his workforce is Haitian, over 30 employees.

27:12

I wish I had 30 more. Our Haitian associates come to work

27:15

every day. They don't have a drug problem. They will stay at

27:18

their machine. They will achieve their numbers. They are here to

27:21

work, and so in general, that's that's a stark difference from

27:25

what we're used to in our community. Adam Curry: So this is exactly what the real story in America

27:30

is, particularly in the Midwest. You look at Ohio. First, we

27:34

spread fentanyl everywhere, and opioids, everyone got drugged

27:37

out. No one could work properly. No one wanted to work then the

27:41

Biden administration expands the TP, yes,

27:45

John C Dvorak: oh, it's just gonna say that was, that couldn't have been from frontline. Yeah, it's

27:49

Adam Curry: PBS Frontline. John C Dvorak: You sure wasn't NewsHour, because that was

27:52

William Brangham, and he only is on for on newshour.

27:56

Adam Curry: I may be wrong. I thought it was frontline. It

27:58

could be NewsHour, John C Dvorak: minor difference. Just it is a difference where

28:03

they present okay and bring them at NewsHour is more likely to be

28:08

biased. So it so if they brought that out there, I think it's

28:12

even more important Adam Curry: Good point. So we drug Middle America. The

28:18

industrial base was shipped off to China. Now the bankers want

28:21

to bring it back, but not for American workers. No, no. We

28:24

can't have those idiots working and creating we need cheap

28:28

labor. And there's a war going on, you know, a civil war going

28:32

on. Haiti, notice we didn't go in to fix it like the last time.

28:36

No, let the Jamaicans go in. Let the Nigerians go in. No, no,

28:40

we'll just take 731,000 and give them work permits. That's what

28:46

TPS is. We expanded it under Biden Harris, and then you get

28:50

this willing Unknown: McGregor acknowledges the sudden arrival of so many

28:54

new immigrants is a challenge on multiple fronts, but he believes

28:58

this is partly how the industrial Midwest can regrow.

29:02

We want more jobs in our community, and in order to fill those jobs, some jobs

29:07

need to be people who are not originally from here.

29:10

There's things in the last five years that have really changed

29:13

and has been a forward improvement for Springfield, but

29:16

this is taxing the resources of the city. Springfield's

29:20

Mayor Rob Rue says he was cautiously optimistic when the

29:24

first Haitians settled in town, but then their numbers quickly

29:27

rose. The city estimates 12 to 15,000 Haitians are here now.

29:33

The infrastructure of the city, our safety forces, our

29:36

hospitals, our schools, Springfield is a close community

29:39

and has a big heart, but at the same point, we've had this

29:42

influx that has taxed all these services. Now,

29:45

Adam Curry: the way I see it, this mayor's an idiot, because

29:49

you need you know that this is going to happen. And now he's

29:52

like, oh, we need money. Okay, so this, this whole thing, is a

29:58

setup from the beginning. Thing. And I think that's why it

30:01

resonates with Americans who probably are already Trump

30:06

voters, but maybe people who are agnostic and just struggling and

30:10

saying, you know, this is this really something here? Because

30:16

it is, this is this is the problem. This is exactly what,

30:20

what, what has been going on, and it's structural, and it's

30:23

the central bankers really, uh, in collusion with the Biden

30:26

administration who expanded TPS. Why don't we go in there and fix

30:31

the Civil War? No, no, we'll just take everybody here. We

30:33

need them anyway. There you go.

30:38

John C Dvorak: Okay, well, I'm gonna get back to my theme, Adam Curry: yes, of course. I'm just saying this for

30:44

Unknown: for effect. John C Dvorak: Let's go to bonus clip one. Bonus

30:49

Adam Curry: clip one. Ladies and gentlemen, this came in late, so

30:54

hold on a second. You mean debate bonus, I think, right.

30:59

Wait, how come it doesn't say bonus here?

31:03

John C Dvorak: Oh, it's because under debate. Oh, but it came in

31:05

as a, as a, Adam Curry: right? But it doesn't say bonus. What's the

31:10

name of it? No, John C Dvorak: it doesn't, I'm just telling you where it came.

31:13

Oh, okay, Adam Curry: I can't play it if I don't know what it

31:18

John C Dvorak: is, the name of it, look it up. Because I, I

31:21

thought that if you if you saw it, when you saw it, when it

31:24

came in, you know what? Okay, no, Adam Curry: because it would say bonus clip and it doesn't say,

31:28

Okay. Well, let John C Dvorak: me tell you what the problem is with this. I can

31:31

get it for you, but when I send the bonus clips in, they're not

31:36

on my main list. Oh, okay, well, so all I know is I sent you the

31:40

bonus clips. In order of the one is that I wanted to play

31:44

Adam Curry: falling down. Make a note, we're falling down here.

31:46

We're falling down. John C Dvorak: So I have to go back and see what the clip is

31:50

called that I sent you even though you had received it.

31:55

Bonus clip is called debate, blatant lie. Clip on from

32:00

Tiktok. Okay, Unknown: as

32:02

of today, there is not one member of the United States

32:06

military who is in active duty in a combat zone, in any war

32:09

zone around the world. The first time this century, that's

32:11

John C Dvorak: a blatant lie. The US is 2400 troops deployed

32:13

to Iraq right now to assist and advise Iraqi forces engaging in

32:17

combat against ISIS. US forces regularly participate in raids

32:21

in ISIS, and they have since 2014 just 11 days ago, seven US

32:26

personnels were injured in a raid. We just had three soldiers

32:29

die back in January, killed by Iran backed militias while

32:32

deployed in Jordan, which borders Israel, until July, the

32:35

Dwight D Eisenhower aircraft strike group was deployed to the

32:38

Red Sea, regularly fighting Houthi rebels and was attacked

32:42

on numerous occasions. Just last month, we deployed even more

32:46

ballistic missile capable cruisers and destroyers to the

32:49

Middle East and Europe. We also happened to have 10,000 troops

32:53

deployed to Poland on Ukraine's border, and CNN was apparently

32:56

only able to count one lie that Kamala told during the debate. I

32:59

counted 29 at least. So follow me here, because I'm going to be

33:02

talking to be talking about all of them now. The reason, the

33:05

reason I'm playing this clip after the other ones to

33:09

emphasize this lying situation, is that they went to the ABC

33:14

went to the trouble of calling the city manager of Springfield

33:18

out of the blue just on the hopes that Trump would bring up

33:21

the dogs, yes, but they don't care about any of this other

33:25

stuff. Do you think this would be a little more important when

33:28

she says, makes this lie that we have no troops in a combat zone?

33:32

So Adam Curry: what is interesting is that you're surprised.

33:38

John C Dvorak: You know, I'm not surprised well, Adam Curry: but this is what the culture war economy does. Oh,

33:42

that was biased. Yes, it was biased. It was a setup. It was a

33:46

complete setup. And now let's unprepared for it.

33:50

John C Dvorak: To make this setup even more obvious to me,

33:53

is something that nobody picked up on. Fox all the fox shows.

33:59

Didn't see it. Nobody saw it. You're going to see it here. I'm

34:04

going to bring it out. You might catch it knowing that there's a

34:07

gotcha in here. Play the debate IVF killer on

34:11

Unknown: it. They know that, and everybody else knows it. I have

34:14

been a leader on fertilization, IVF, and the other thing they

34:19

you should ask, Will she allow abortion in the eighth month,

34:24

ninth month, seventh month, come on, okay, would you do that? Why

34:28

don't you ask that question to answer the question, the

34:33

question you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth

34:37

month, the ninth month, and probably after birth.

34:41

Adam Curry: Yes. I'm glad you brought that up. What did you

34:44

want to say about it? John C Dvorak: Well, you know, I thought her mic was supposed to

34:49

be off, yeah, she said right in the middle of his commentary,

34:54

oh, come on, yeah, yeah. And then her mic was open the whole

34:58

time throughout the debate. Rights. They're supposed to be

35:01

cut mics. And you knew that Trump's was cut because he

35:04

tried, when he tried to come in on something, it was a dead mic,

35:07

and they brought it up. You could see him do it. Her mic was

35:10

open the whole time. She could keep us all she wanted. Nobody

35:13

noticed this. Adam Curry: You know what I you know what else I noticed, which

35:17

was very minor, but, and I it was just minor. Trump's box was

35:23

a little bit smaller than her box in the two shots. Width,

35:29

yes, width was a little hers was

35:31

John C Dvorak: lower. Adam Curry: But no, no, I'm not talking the box that she's

35:35

standing I'm talking the TV screen, the two shot.

35:38

John C Dvorak: Oh, that's interesting. I didn't notice.

35:40

Yes, his box Adam Curry: was now, I understand for framing purposes,

35:44

because she needed to have a little more room because she

35:47

kept looking to the right. But that could be just a shot, and

35:52

it would have actually given Trump a more just from a

35:56

television production standpoint, it would have given

35:58

a more dominant appearance by having to zoom out make her head

36:04

smaller in order to fit her her sideway glances, so they made

36:10

his box a little bit smaller. Was just it's a minor thing, but

36:13

I think they matter. Now on the killing babies, I had to go into

36:18

the archives just to make sure people know, because he said

36:21

West Virginia, which, now that should have been fact checked,

36:24

because that was wrong. It was John C Dvorak: another, yes, well, they, they fact checked

36:29

him, I think, up to five times. They never stopped her from

36:33

saying anything. She used fine people hoax. She used the blood

36:37

bath. They didn't stop her. This was worse.

36:40

Adam Curry: We'll get your description. We'll get to that.

36:43

But they didn't fact check him, because it was the former

36:46

governor of Virginia, which he later said correctly, but he

36:49

started with West Virginia, and we have that clip from 2019.

36:54

Unknown: Virginia's late term abortion bill is gaining

36:56

international attention. It would allow terminations at any point during pregnancy,

37:02

including up until the point of childbirth. The controversy

37:05

first started from this video delegate Tran defending her bill

37:10

that would loosen abortion requirements in the Commonwealth

37:13

through the third trimester. Third trimester goes all the

37:15

way up to 40 weeks, but to the end of the third trimester,

37:19

I don't think we have a limit in the bill. Right now, late term abortions are allowed under Virginia law

37:24

if three physicians certify the pregnancy substantially and

37:28

irremediably threatens the woman's life and health. Trans

37:31

bill would only require one physician to certify the

37:34

abortion and removes the substantially and irremediably

37:38

requirement, facing harsh backlash, Governor Northam went

37:41

on a radio show stating that trans comments were blown out of

37:44

proportion. He added that politicians shouldn't interfere

37:47

with a woman's right to choose. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept

37:52

comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the

37:57

mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would

38:00

ensue between the physicians and the mother.

38:02

Governor Northam faced a backlash of his own, accused of

38:05

supporting infanticide by conservative leaders. Words

38:08

have meaning. You saw the tape. I

38:12

think he was very clear in what he said, and I

38:15

think that was very disturbing Adam Curry: so and you know, this is rarely brought up by the

38:20

the big the big talking heads in podcast land, because they don't

38:24

have the archive, or the producers that we do who dig

38:28

this up, and the systems that we have. And so it's true, and

38:32

these people are demonic in that way, and it's important, because

38:36

it just gets glossed over. She says, That's not true. That's

38:39

not true. That's not true. Just this week, this chick, I'm

38:44

saying chick, called a DC District of Columbia clinic, and

38:49

she recorded it right calling Unknown: the Care Clinic in Bethesda, Maryland. Bethesda, I

38:56

am looking to have an abortion. I'm 34 right now. I am in a

39:01

pretty desperate situation. Adam Curry: That's eight months just so if you can't calculate

39:05

eight months pregnant boyfriends, Unknown: is kind of out of the picture. Now, so I don't really

39:10

have any support. An abortion at any stage is actually much safer than

39:13

delivering a term pregnancy. It's a four to five day

39:17

procedure. We do some basic lab work on you and start to dilate

39:20

your cervix. After that, we do what we call the fetal

39:23

injection. A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the

39:27

fetal heart, where lidocaine is injected, and that will

39:30

completely numb the fetus so there's no pain. And then after

39:33

that, we inject a medication called digoxin and another

39:36

medication called KCL into the fetal heart, which will flow and

39:40

then stop the fetal heartbeat. Then on that fourth day,

39:42

depending on how your cervix has dilated, we'll break your water,

39:46

and then we'll give you a medication called misoprostol.

39:49

Misoprostol will sort of induce contraction and increase the

39:53

dilation of your cervix. You're going to have contractions in

39:56

cramping, and then we'll assist you in. Sort of pushing in the

40:01

induction and then remove all of the products of conception.

40:04

Adam Curry: The product of conception, you're definitely

40:07

going Unknown: to comfort a lot of pressure, but we do give you fentanyl and verse fed

40:11

during the procedure. We specialize in later trimester

40:14

care. Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing, and

40:17

he's very good. So I'm not like a rare situation. Y'all help women this

40:22

late in pregnancy all the time, Adam Curry: all the time. So it is true.

40:26

John C Dvorak: It is true. Of course, it's true, but people

40:29

Adam Curry: need to hear that. That's a sickening but this is

40:32

how your mom played John C Dvorak: that Virginia clip when it came out, and maybe

40:37

played it a second time. Glad you found it, by the way. Um

40:42

yeah. I know Trump didn't lie at all on any of this stuff, but

40:45

she and she never says that's not true. She says, No, you're

40:49

lying. Yeah, you have to, you know, that's different, because

40:52

they have to, they have to promote this lie. Oh, you're a

40:55

liar. I mean, at one point, there was two things I thought

41:00

were funny about the debate. One, at one point, he actually

41:02

shushed her for interrupting him.

41:05

Unknown: Does it sound familiar John C Dvorak: with the open mic? Yes. So that, which I

41:10

thought was funny, because that she was known for doing that to

41:13

pence. And the other one was he, she wouldn't answer the question

41:18

directly of whether she ever met Putin. She's never met Putin.

41:23

And that came up later. This thing was your idea that this is

41:27

just a kangaroo, not a courtroom, but a kangaroo court.

41:30

There you go. Is, is right on the money. Because the end these

41:34

two people, there's this dour woman, I don't see her that much

41:38

on ABC that whoever she is. Was

41:40

Adam Curry: it just me, or did she overfill her upper lip?

41:44

John C Dvorak: There was something wrong with her lips?

41:47

Yes, and Adam Curry: her upper lip, it John C Dvorak: wasn't you,

41:49

Adam Curry: okay, okay. And by the way, please stop sending me

41:55

the she had speaker earrings.

42:01

John C Dvorak: Actually, Mimi looked into those speaker

42:03

earrings and found that they were actually $30,000 Tiffany

42:06

earrings, which really irked her. Adam Curry: Yes, that is exactly what I was going to say. I

42:11

happen to be a fan of Tiffany's. John C Dvorak: That didn't surprise anybody, but

42:16

Adam Curry: my sisters. My sister's name is Tiffany, my mom

42:21

was a big fan of so I've always followed Tiffany jewelry. And

42:24

Tina and I, when we got married, we got, you know, these silver

42:28

Tiffany wedding bands and so. And I like the shop. It's a nice

42:32

shop. I can't afford much in the shop, but it's a nice shop. And,

42:35

and, and I looked it up, and they no longer, no longer sold

42:39

online, and I'm not sure I got a price quote of 22,000

42:44

John C Dvorak: Yeah. Mimi found him at 30,000 and she said this

42:47

was the most let them eat cake total moment. She said she

42:51

should be wearing some simple studs or something. She

42:53

shouldn't be wearing $30,000 earrings, exactly.

42:58

Adam Curry: Now, there was one thing which this is a clip from

43:04

Jen pasaki and Steele, who was supposed to be a Republican. In

43:08

fact, he ran the Republican Party. Now he's a Democrat, and

43:13

he's the head of the RNC. Yeah, the head of the RNC, and he's on

43:16

the panel. And so he's first, he's going to throw out some

43:20

Jive talk, and then he's going to say something which I believe

43:23

to be true. Unknown: Okay. Michael Steele, you were quite animated when I

43:27

saw you in the hallway earlier about that. You're going to tell

43:32

me you think of the debate that you told me in the hallway, what

43:35

was your take on the debate? Michael, still go ahead. Was the

43:37

key moment she spanked that ass she came what she's she came and she walked on that stage. Look, for

43:46

me, this is one of those things that you didn't realize happened

43:51

until about 20 to 30 minutes into the debate, and it's what

43:56

everyone's talked about. And for me, it was the pivotal, most

43:59

important moment of the debate was when they were introduced

44:04

and Donald Trump came out. And if you watch go back, I tell

44:07

everybody to go back and watch this. He comes out. He goes

44:10

direct to the podium. He is not usually go to the middle of the

44:14

floor to greet your opponent. He went to the pot. He had no

44:18

intention of shaking her hand. She walked across the stage

44:21

right into his space, stuck her hand out and said, Kamala

44:26

Harris, it was a power move, and he wasn't expecting it.

44:31

John C Dvorak: I think let me give you my take on this. This

44:36

is a corrupt situation. Adam Curry: And they said, Don't shake hands. And they let her do

44:42

it anyway. No, John C Dvorak: no, I got the prop bets from an operation

44:47

called sports. Adam Curry: Here we go. And

44:52

John C Dvorak: there was a prop bet on, will they shake hands?

44:56

And if I was Camella, because you already saw. He wasn't going

45:00

to shake hands. So the bet was they weren't going to shake

45:03

hands. I think was two to ones. I don't know the numbers. I'd

45:06

have to go look him up. But all you do, your cameras say hey,

45:10

hey boys, I'm going to make a point. I going over there and

45:13

shaking Trump's hand. Your bet. The bet is, as a surefire

45:17

winner, you can win as much money as

45:20

Adam Curry: you bet. We've got a little change on the side as you

45:24

walk over John C Dvorak: there. She made a huge point of walking over

45:27

there. They all, she's so power, bad bullshit. This was a betting

45:32

moment, and she knew this was the one opportunity she had to

45:35

make a surefire win at online betting. This was a this was as

45:40

corrupt. This is the corruption that we're looking at. This is

45:43

corruption. I love it, Adam Curry: the prop bet. All right, now I have a question,

45:48

since you didn't get recordings, even though, of course, you set

45:50

your your YouTube TV, CNN is taking a very different track

45:58

with all of this. Listen to Jake Tapper,

46:01

Unknown: Vice President Harris, began the debate by punting the

46:04

first question on the economy. Do you

46:07

believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

46:10

So I was raised as a middle class kid, and I am actually the only

46:16

person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up

46:19

the middle class and working people of America.

46:22

It went on from there, despite the economy being the number one

46:25

issue facing the country, the sitting Vice President generally

46:29

reverted to talking points about a few of her policy proposals.

46:33

Even Harris allies today are saying that she needs to talk

46:36

more about what she will do for Americans if elected. Senator

46:40

Bernie Sanders will be here in a second to talk about more about

46:43

the need for her to fill in some of those blanks on the border,

46:47

another vulnerable issue for Harris, she also dodged. Would

46:51

you have done anything differently from President Biden

46:53

on this? So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted

46:57

transnational criminal organizations for the

46:59

trafficking of guns, drugs and human beings.

47:04

Okay, that wasn't the question. When asked how she would break

47:07

through the Israel Hamas war stalemate, Harris said this,

47:11

we need a cease fire deal, and we need the hostages out, and so

47:16

we will continue to work around the clock on that. Okay, but

47:20

again, how Adam Curry: so Tapper? We know is a CIA asset. He gladly

47:25

attends the birthday parties of the agency

47:28

John C Dvorak: big I want to stop you from the generalization

47:31

you earlier made that at CNN. I think it's just Tapper. Well,

47:35

Adam Curry: that's what I thought. But then enter Aaron

47:38

Burnett, formerly of CNBC,

47:42

John C Dvorak: now also counts on Foreign Relations. Now on the

47:45

Adam Curry: ozempic train. She looks good, but she's on the O

47:49

train. There's no doubt about it. It's too bad and she did

47:51

this this week tonight, Unknown: Kamala Harris releasing details of her policy positions

47:55

for the first time on her campaign website. A K file

47:59

investigation has uncovered, meantime, a 2019 questionnaire.

48:03

And in this questionnaire, Harris laid out some much more

48:06

liberal stances. K files, Andrew Kaczynski joins me now, yeah.

48:10

And this was a questionnaire that she filled out for the ACL,

48:13

ACLU, and this questionnaire is really an interesting snapshot

48:16

in time of that 2019 Democratic primary Kamala Harris was trying

48:20

to get to the left of Bernie Sanders. She was trying to get

48:23

to the left of Elizabeth Warren. And you really see that in a lot

48:26

of these answers. And I want to walk our viewers through a

48:28

little bit of what she said. Let's just take immigration and

48:31

look at what she said here. She said on immigration, she made

48:34

this open ended pledge to end immigrant detention. She said

48:38

she supported taxpayer funded gender transition surgeries for

48:42

detained migrants. She also said she funded gender transition surgeries for detained

48:47

actually said she supported she wrote, both wrote and answered in the affirmative when she was

48:53

asked this, and she said she also supported it for federal

48:56

prisoners. Now, she also pledged to slash immigration detention

49:00

by 50% close all family and private facilities, and decrease

49:04

funding for ice. And then the end ending, end ice detainers

49:09

with local law enforcement. Adam Curry: So it's not just Tapper. There's something in

49:12

CNN, and you know, there's, I don't know, seems like they're

49:17

trying to lean more towards Trump. Maybe they want to even

49:20

out the score for the ad. Advertising rates make it more

49:23

of a horse race in their mind. I'm not sure that

49:26

John C Dvorak: could be it advertising, but Tapper is

49:29

definitely pushing back on everything. So is baffling to

49:35

me. But okay, well, Adam Curry: remember he is and by he's far

49:40

John C Dvorak: there is a clip which and so is Burnett. There

49:44

is a clip going around of her sitting down, talking about how

49:48

the gender affirming care is so important for prisoners, and

49:52

she's made a point of pushing it so California is it's California

49:55

law is the best. So these clips are out there, and they're just

49:59

starting. To show up. So my favorite one, which I is a

50:03

useless clip for the show, but I'll explain it is I retweeted

50:07

it for people who are concerned about my tweeting too much. The

50:12

this was from 1996 it was Willie Brown. It was a Willie Brown

50:17

party, and Kamala was there with him, and the reporter who's

50:22

covering the the event goes up to Camelot and says, Are you his

50:26

daughter? Adam Curry: Yes, I saw that. It's not real. It's not good for

50:30

audio for the show. And she says, that's a mess. No, I'm

50:33

not. But John C Dvorak: and then she was there at the end. She was

50:35

standing right next to him at the podium. Yeah, so she's a,

50:39

yeah, yes, Adam Curry: one of those. That's one of those where you get

50:43

earrings. Man, come on, that's where you get those $2,000

50:47

John C Dvorak: earrings. Actually, that was suggested by Mimi. That is Willie Brown bought those earrings for her.

50:53

Now, regarding Adam Curry: the border, Trump had, I thought a pretty good

50:58

line, although he mistakenly called it a bill when he should

51:02

have said executive order or order or anything but bill

51:06

regarding the shutting down of the border. Right now,

51:09

Unknown: I ask you this. You talk about the capital. Why are

51:12

we allowing these millions of people to come through on the

51:16

southern border? How come she's not doing anything? And I'll

51:18

tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it. I

51:22

would say we would both leave this debate right now. I'd like

51:25

to see her go down to Washington, DC during this

51:29

debate, because we're wasting a lot of time. Go down to because

51:32

she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous. Go down to

51:35

Washington, DC and let her sign a bill to close up the border,

51:39

because they have the right to do it. They don't need bills.

51:42

They have the right to do the President of the United States,

51:45

you'll get them out of bed. You'll wake them up at four

51:47

o'clock in the afternoon. You say, Come on, come on down to

51:49

the office. Let's sign a bill. If he if he signs a bill that

51:53

the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border

51:56

patrol, who are phenomenal if they do that the border is

51:59

closed. Now, John C Dvorak: as a fact checker,

52:02

Adam Curry: yes. Fact Check false. John C Dvorak: I would have checked false, because you look

52:07

for everything. Trump says that's even a little bit

52:09

erroneous. That would be two lies on the on the count,

52:12

because you said those are two lies twice. He said, sign a

52:15

bill. Bill, yes, and you're right. It's an executive order,

52:18

yes. Now, so that's two lies. Those are lies,

52:21

Adam Curry: those lies. So he referenced TDA, which is the

52:26

Venezuelan gang in Aurora in Colorado

52:31

John C Dvorak: and Chicago. Well, Adam Curry: let's just stick with Aurora for a minute,

52:34

because we've been following this story. We haven't quite

52:37

known exactly what's going on. It is several apartment

52:40

buildings have been taken over by these Venezuelan gangs. And I

52:45

know from one of our guys who follows the border, he says, you

52:49

know, the the TVA, they have an entire line all the way from

52:54

Venezuela all the way up to the United States, and housing is

52:57

really one of their main things. John C Dvorak: They take the member. The membership is 5000

53:03

Yeah, they take Adam Curry: over housing. And then, you know, new gang members

53:07

come up. They stay in those houses, they move on to the next

53:10

one, as they move all the way up into American cities. So

53:13

Denver's local television station, of course, had to look

53:17

into is this really true? Is it really true about what's

53:20

happening in Aurora, and what the mayor says is quite telling.

53:24

Former Unknown: President Donald Trump said that Aurora was taken over

53:27

by migrants and violently taking over buildings. Is that

53:31

accurate? No, it's really not. You know, there's no question that there's

53:36

been some issues in several apartment buildings, but it's

53:39

been so dramatically exaggerated, so

53:41

Adam Curry: several apartment buildings, but it's been exaggerated that it's the entire

53:46

Unknown: city that is somehow overrun by gang or criminal

53:49

activity that couldn't be further from the truth. You

53:52

Adam Curry: see what's happening here, right? It's like, well,

53:54

yeah, John C Dvorak: this is ants fucking Yes. He

53:57

Unknown: also mentioned that a lot of the migrants coming into

53:59

the United States are criminals, and that crime is at an all time

54:02

high. Do you believe that crime is at an all time high in Aurora

54:05

right now? You know, I really don't the you know. Again, I think that there

54:10

are some issues with several apartment buildings, and even

54:14

those issues have been exaggerated. Mayor

54:17

Kaufman says, at all surprised to hear Aurora come up.

54:21

I kind of expected it to come up during the debate, and

54:24

unfortunately it did. Many who live in the city say they weren't shocked either.

54:28

I'm not really surprised about it. Half of it's media, and half

54:32

of it's obviously people are there's bad people everywhere in

54:36

a joint stop Wednesday, Mayor Mike Kaufman, Councilwoman

54:39

Danielle jarinsky, and the city manager said in part, trendara

54:43

West presence in Aurora is limited to specific properties,

54:47

all of which the city has been addressing for months.

54:51

There is an exaggeration of the issue that the royal Police

54:55

Department is certainly addressing. What issue right now

54:59

is. Real, and there are arrests being made, and there are people

55:05

that are being held in custody. Adam Curry: So then the same Denver local television station

55:09

has this report Aurora Unknown: police identifying more members of the trend day Aragua

55:14

gang who have been arrested the 10 men you see here face charges

55:18

stemming from alleged assaults, domestic disputes and shootings

55:21

in Aurora, including at the Whispering Pines, condominiums,

55:25

Fitzsimmons place, apartments on Nome street that have been in

55:28

the national spotlight. Adam Curry: Activists say racist, homophobic, anti semitic

55:33

comments at an aurora city council meeting highlight a

55:36

divide that has grown since the trend Aragua game came to the

55:39

spotlight. Here's your typical Democrat stronghold city. This

55:43

is putting this all on the council.

55:46

John C Dvorak: I like. What's homophobia got to do with it? I

55:49

Adam Curry: don't know, but you got to stop it Unknown: and listen. A caller at Monday's Aurora city council

55:54

meeting complained of immigrants and used hateful language. His

55:58

comments were not cut short ever seven

56:01

Adam Curry: just Crawford talked to members of the community now

56:04

demanding that the council cut off hateful commentary and

56:06

establish some other safeguards. Yes, safeguards for those poor

56:10

immigrants, the 10 who were arrested. This is this is crazy

56:14

so, and that's great. Let me just get back to Aurora, because

56:19

I have two quick clips from one of their council meetings, but

56:23

not Aurora, I'm sorry, Springfield, Ohio. So this is

56:26

the residence, and let me Unknown: be clear, this is not about race. This is about people

56:31

being given the privilege of coming here from another country

56:34

and having no respect for our people, our land or our life's

56:38

work, people living their life here the way they did in Haiti,

56:42

angry, stealing, polluting, living in filth and acting like

56:46

animals. These are not civilized people, opening containers in

56:50

our grocery stores, helping themselves to what's inside and

56:53

throwing the rest onto the shelves and floors, pulling off

56:56

of the highway to publicly clean and gut the road kill lying

57:00

there in front of anyone that passes by, stealing animals from

57:04

farmers and leaving their severed heads at the site of an

57:06

old school where children play relieving themselves in public,

57:11

making some barbaric stew out of the birds that live in our park.

57:15

This is insanity, and it has to stop.

57:18

So Adam Curry: nothing to see here. You're really exaggerating,

57:21

lady, but this guy is my favorite. This guy is my

57:24

favorite, John C Dvorak: by the way, dad, because it's kind of out of the

57:28

blue and it's good clip. I'm going to give you a borderline

57:30

Clip of the Day for that. Oh, well, Adam Curry: you should have waited. No, you should wait. You

57:35

should have waited because this is my favorite. They're

57:38

Unknown: in the park driving up ducks by their neck and cutting

57:42

their head off and walking off with them and eating them like

57:45

and it's going to get bigger, and it's only going to get

57:47

worse. And y'all sitting up there in these chairs, y'all

57:50

all, y'all need to get out here and do something. Y'all making

57:52

hundreds of $1,000 y'all need to put on a t shirt and some crocs.

57:55

And then y'all need to come out here in these streets, and y'all

57:57

need to go out here and, uh, I'm out here before the police is

58:00

Adam Curry: you got to put on a t shirt and some Crocs and get

58:03

out here people. Y'all Unknown: need to do something. Bro, y'all really got to stand

58:06

on Minutes. Y'all getting paid all this money just to wear a

58:08

suit and sit in a chair. I don't think, I think it's, I think

58:12

it's crazy, bro, that's where they come from, and that's what

58:14

they do. That's they country. I don't know what they got going

58:17

on over there, but they can't do that over here. And if y'all

58:20

just getting paid from it, and then y'all ain't doing nothing

58:22

about I think that's super weird, bro, y'all gotta stand on

58:25

business. Y'all gotta really, like, step up. Like, it's lame,

58:27

bro, yes, yeah. You

58:32

John C Dvorak: know what's extremely overlooked in all this

58:35

is, I, I'd like to know the genesis of why Haitians in

58:41

particular are all in Springfield. Does our homeland

58:46

group take because we ship a lot of these people. We fly them in

58:50

directly in a lot of instances. But why? Because are they all

58:56

going to one spot? Because I don't hear about the Haitians

58:59

anyplace else Adam Curry: but Springfield, first of all is because dole is

59:03

there. There's big industry there. There's big industry

59:06

there's big factories. Dole, yes, dole, there's big factories

59:11

there. You heard the manufacturing so there's, yeah,

59:16

John C Dvorak: no, I understand that, but there's big factories

59:18

here and there. But it would be, hey, Adam Curry: it because everyone's drugged out. They

59:22

don't care. These companies are in cahoots. And bring me some

59:26

cheap workers. You hurt the guy. Hey, I want more of these. I

59:29

wish I could get 10 more. I want 30 more. Bring me more. You

59:33

don't think they're in conversations. Of course, they John C Dvorak: are. No, I'm It was obvious. There's something

59:38

like that's going on, Alabama,

59:40

Adam Curry: Alabama, salacoo, Sala Quagga city filled with

59:46

Haitians. I think it's a sila Quagga. It's S, Y, L, H, it's in

59:51

the north. It's known as marble city because a lot of marble.

59:56

There's stone quarries there. Same thing, same. Thing Council

1:00:00

Patience, patience and the and the and the council president

1:00:05

Tiffany Nix stopped the council meeting saying, Oh no, this is

1:00:10

getting too heated. Here. You're being aggressive. People are.

1:00:13

It's the same story. And what's up there quarries. So it's all

1:00:18

coordinated exactly what the former New York banker told us,

1:00:23

exactly what they want, suppressed wages. It's good for

1:00:26

industry. It used to be the Republicans with these games.

1:00:29

Now it's the Democrats. It's, it's, it's so obvious. So yeah,

1:00:35

you'll see more. You'll see more cities. I mean, we've got boots

1:00:39

on the ground everywhere. We'll hear about it. Do you have any

1:00:43

more? Because I just want to close out this segment with a

1:00:46

couple more clips, unless you have something you want to get

1:00:49

in there. Well, John C Dvorak: I did have some, just some summary clips I

1:00:53

thought were good. Well, before debates, before you get the

1:00:56

Adam Curry: summary. This is this just asked, yeah, but I

1:01:00

Yes, I asked, and he said, summary, I'm like, I'm striking.

1:01:03

Summary, I'm pushing it, pushing it back. We're moving out to the

1:01:07

A one block. This is just, just the clip that we have to play,

1:01:13

because this shows that they're all in. They don't care. The

1:01:17

Democrats just gotta say it. The Democrat Party are all it? I

1:01:21

heard Dave Weiner spouting this nonsense on this podcast, the

1:01:26

people who are all in and are hypnotized by these demonic,

1:01:31

spiritual forces of the Democrat party believe these lies. Nancy

1:01:37

Unknown: Pelosi was responsible. She didn't do a job. The

1:01:40

question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi, but

1:01:44

I do want vice president Harris to respond. Here. I was at the Capitol on January 6. I was the vice

1:01:51

president elect. I was also enacting senator. I was there,

1:01:56

and on that day, the President of the United States incited a

1:02:00

violent mob to attack our nation's capital, to desecrate

1:02:07

our nation's capital. On that day, 140 law enforcement

1:02:11

officers were injured and some died. And understand the former

1:02:17

president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that

1:02:21

reason. But this is not an isolated situation. Let's

1:02:26

remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people

1:02:30

carrying tiki torches, spewing anti semitic hate, and what did

1:02:37

the President then, at the time say there were fine people on

1:02:41

each side. Let's remember that. When it came to the proud boys a

1:02:46

militia, the President said, the former president said, stand

1:02:51

back and stand by. So for everyone watching, who remembers

1:02:56

what January 6 was, I say we don't have to go back. Let's not

1:03:02

go back. We're not going back. It's time to turn the page, and

1:03:07

if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in

1:03:11

our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our

1:03:18

democracy, to stand for rule of law and to end the chaos. Good

1:03:24

line. End the approach that is about attacking the foundations

1:03:29

of our democracy because you don't like the outcome. And be

1:03:32

clear on that point, Donald Trump, the candidate, has said,

1:03:37

in this election, there will be a bloodbath if this and the

1:03:41

outcome of this election is not to his liking, let's turn the

1:03:45

page on this. Let's not go back. Let's chart a course for the

1:03:50

future and not go backwards to the past. These

1:03:54

Adam Curry: people do not care about the truth at all.

1:03:59

John C Dvorak: Well, there were four instances in there that the

1:04:01

hosts, moderators, could have stopped her for just falsehoods,

1:04:06

or Adam Curry: done a summary afterwards, or

1:04:09

John C Dvorak: anything. They did nothing. No, Adam Curry: they didn't. So it was, it was really, well, let's

1:04:17

John C Dvorak: tell what they were. The thing is, the stand

1:04:19

down thing was bullcrap that hoaxes about fine people has

1:04:24

been even nope, here's that one down, here's

1:04:27

Adam Curry: the here's the original. I have the original.

1:04:32

And Unknown: you had some very bad people in that group, but you

1:04:34

also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You

1:04:40

had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same

1:04:44

pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were

1:04:48

there to protest the taking down of to them a very, very

1:04:52

important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E

1:04:55

Lee to another name. And you had people, and I'm not talking

1:04:58

about the neo Nazi. And the white nationalists, because they

1:05:01

should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that

1:05:05

group other than Neo Nazis and white nationalists. Okay, there

1:05:10

you go. That's the full quote. Adam Curry: And then the bloodbath. We probably still

1:05:17

have that somewhere. That was about the Chinese cars, wasn't

1:05:22

John C Dvorak: it about the Chinese electric cars being made

1:05:24

in Mexico and being allowed to come into the country through a

1:05:27

trickery, yes, without tariffs. Here's of the here's the quote,

1:05:31

China Unknown: now is building a couple of massive plants where

1:05:35

they're going to build the cars in Mexico, and think they think

1:05:38

that they're going to sell those cars into the United States with

1:05:41

no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if

1:05:45

you're listening, President Xi and you and I are friends, but

1:05:48

he understands the way I deal those big monster car

1:05:52

manufacturing plants that you're building in Mexico right now.

1:05:56

And you think you're going to get that, you're going to not

1:05:59

hire Americans, and you're going to sell the cars to us now,

1:06:02

we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes

1:06:06

across the line, and you're not going to be able to sell those

1:06:09

guys if I get elected. Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to

1:06:13

be a bloodbath for the whole that's going to be the least of

1:06:17

it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country that will be the

1:06:19

least of it. But they're not going to sell those cars.

1:06:22

They're building massive factories. A friend of mine,

1:06:24

there you go, there you go. It's going to be a bloodbath for the

1:06:28

country. Adam Curry: Yeah. So that's futile.

1:06:35

John C Dvorak: It is fun, Adam Curry: but that's what a good prosecutor does. You know,

1:06:39

there's certainly in the courtroom, there's nothing

1:06:41

against the prosecutor lying. She's used to it. That's what

1:06:44

you do. That's what you do.

1:06:48

John C Dvorak: Well, this reminds me of the prosecutor.

1:06:50

The other one that's out there is Adam Schiff, who, during one

1:06:54

of the impeachment trials, made up stories on the fly about what

1:06:58

he was managing. Remember that he goes on and on about what

1:07:01

Trump and Zielinski were talking about, and he was just lying,

1:07:06

and it was just the same thing, exactly. Gosh,

1:07:09

Unknown: what was it? Was that one?

1:07:12

John C Dvorak: I'd be stunned.

1:07:15

Adam Curry: It was he was doing a little play. He was Schiff

1:07:19

story. Probably Unknown: not going to find it.

1:07:27

Adam Curry: I think it might be just worth it, just because I

1:07:29

think that was the strongest. I think Trump's closer was strong,

1:07:37

and I haven't really seen it clipped anywhere. I don't know

1:07:41

if people are considering clipping it or not, I think they

1:07:44

should. John C Dvorak: What the end of the thing says, Well, if you're

1:07:47

such a hot shot, why have you been doing this all along? No,

1:07:50

I'm Adam Curry: talking about his, his, his closing his closing

1:07:54

argument. So she Unknown: just started by saying she's going to do this, she's

1:07:57

going to do that. She's going to do all these wonderful things.

1:08:00

Why hasn't she done it?

1:08:02

John C Dvorak: Just said, Unknown: I misunderstood you. Hasn't

1:08:10

she done it? She's been there for three and a half years.

1:08:13

They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've

1:08:16

had three and a half years to create jobs. And all the things

1:08:20

we talked about. Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right

1:08:25

now. Go down to that beautiful white house, go to the Capitol,

1:08:29

get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you

1:08:31

haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things

1:08:35

that the American people don't believe in. You believe in

1:08:38

things like, we're not going to frack we're not going to take

1:08:41

fossil fuel. We're not going to do things that are going to make

1:08:44

this country strong, whether you like it or not, Germany tried

1:08:48

that, and within one year, they were back to building normal

1:08:52

energy plants. We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our

1:08:57

country for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask one

1:09:00

simple question, why didn't she do it? We're a failing nation.

1:09:06

We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're being laughed at

1:09:10

all over the world. All over the world, they're left. I know the

1:09:13

leaders very well. They're coming to see me. They call me.

1:09:16

We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand

1:09:19

what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't

1:09:23

have any idea what's going on. We have wars going on in the

1:09:26

Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.

1:09:31

We're going to end up in a third world war, and it will be a war

1:09:34

like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.

1:09:38

I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the

1:09:43

Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people

1:09:48

have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is

1:09:51

allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of

1:09:55

them are criminals, and they are destroying our country. The

1:09:58

worst president, the worst. First vice president in the

1:10:01

history of our country. Yeah,

1:10:04

Adam Curry: I thought that was good. That was, that was his

1:10:07

message. That was the whole debate. That's right there. He

1:10:10

the John C Dvorak: criticism of that message was he should have used

1:10:13

that thematically throughout the debate. Well, he did, because

1:10:17

people have tuned on there. I don't know how many people

1:10:19

listen to the end, there was 67 point 1 million listeners, total

1:10:23

Adam Curry: viewers, or listeners, viewers, probably

1:10:26

viewers, John C Dvorak: I'm sorry. And I don't know how many people were

1:10:30

at the end. They were because it was getting kind of boring.

1:10:35

Adam Curry: I'm sure people tuned out like, Oh no, can't

1:10:39

watch. Can't watch. John C Dvorak: But as you listen to these clips, stand alone,

1:10:44

Trump sounds great. Making the Unknown: points, making the points absolutely and

1:10:50

John C Dvorak: after they they're regurgitated and run on

1:10:53

tick tock and elsewhere with these guys over to dubbing

1:10:58

everything. He wins the debate. In hindsight. Now I don't know

1:11:04

if he's going to do more debates. I'll give you. There

1:11:06

was an interesting stat that ran on his debating Hillary,

1:11:10

Adam Curry: oh, he's already been asking for one. I think. No, he's,

1:11:14

John C Dvorak: he's, yeah. He want, if they do it on Fox,

1:11:16

he'll do it, yeah, but do, but he, if he does it, he said, NBC,

1:11:21

for some unknown reason, he's not going to do a debate there.

1:11:23

But someone she had this poll up, or it wasn't a poll. It was

1:11:27

a stat that when Hillary, Hillary beat him all three

1:11:30

debates, supposedly. And in debate number one, her point

1:11:34

total went up in terms of, in terms of the election one point

1:11:40

after debate number two, she was up by five, and after debate

1:11:44

number three, she was up by seven, Adam Curry: right? And then she was aware of this, then she

1:11:49

lost. It's amazing, and then she John C Dvorak: lost, yes, which is amazing, you're right, but if

1:11:55

I was, I don't think, I think those numbers are frightening.

1:11:57

It because he'll be beaten by her again, or it appears to be

1:12:03

He healed. I don't think he's going to do anymore, unless it's

1:12:07

on Fox. Adam Curry: Well, I don't think these debates make that much

1:12:10

difference. I really just don't, by the way, regarding our

1:12:15

previous episode, hey, I live in Latvia, but Russian is my native

1:12:20

tongue. Regarding John's comment that Russians wouldn't hear

1:12:23

comma they most definitely have heard, especially her laugh.

1:12:26

Russia is a country where people are very outward focused. They

1:12:29

are and we're always interested in what happens in the west and

1:12:32

how the West sees them. On federal channels. They are

1:12:35

showing American election news all the time. When someone goes

1:12:39

to America to visit or live, the most common question from

1:12:41

Russians to them would be, so what do Americans think about

1:12:44

Russia? And when they answer, they mostly don't. They, they

1:12:48

don't believe it. Oh, all right, that's a Vitali. Malaysia checks

1:12:54

believe it. Malaysia checks in. In Malaysia, you think about

1:12:58

Kamala, we think about the laugh. So I think

1:13:02

John C Dvorak: I got in Yes, I was wrong. Okay, it appears that

1:13:08

the Kamala laugh is more universally accepted and known

1:13:12

than I thought. Because I didn't see any reason why it would be,

1:13:16

but I guess it is. So I guess she's it's cold, nuts. Her hyena

1:13:19

laugh is worldwide, well known. It's tick tock.

1:13:23

Adam Curry: It's the, it's the it's the coconut Gambit. So I'm

1:13:28

done with the debate. If you are, we can move on. Oh, by the

1:13:31

way, did you see Biden put on the Trump hat?

1:13:35

John C Dvorak: Yes, this was so embarrassing. No, although, you

1:13:39

know, I have to wonder whether he he knew what he was doing.

1:13:44

No. I mean, is it possible that Biden put on the Trump hat

1:13:48

because he could feel the oil? They're going to give him the

1:13:52

slack and flack for it, but he knew he what he was doing,

1:13:57

because he doesn't like Camelot. I think a bunch of stuff's going

1:14:00

to start coming out about camel. More of these old clips are

1:14:03

going to get dredged up. There's a lot of them. There's a lot of

1:14:06

dredged a few up on this show already. There's a lot of time

1:14:09

for it, and we got 50 days for more of it to come out. Uh,

1:14:14

Adam Curry: now the the Trump meme squad is out. No doubt

1:14:18

they're out. The John C Dvorak: memes are out, yes, and the other size memes

1:14:23

are not good. Adam Curry: They have weak memes. They're weak memers. So

1:14:30

Now switching gears, but staying on immigration. We just heard

1:14:34

that Germany, of course, is the seam that the solar and wind

1:14:39

energy, the energy vendor and blowing up their nuclear plants

1:14:45

or closing them down. At best, I think they actually imploded.

1:14:49

Two of them, not a good idea.

1:14:51

John C Dvorak: They completely decommissioned a couple, yeah,

1:14:54

not a good idea. So Adam Curry: they're trying to get back. Why they did it.

1:14:57

John C Dvorak: How did they get talked into that stupidity?

1:15:00

Adam Curry: Be Well, the Germans since World War Two, they're,

1:15:03

you know, they have guilt, and they need to do what they're

1:15:06

told, and they're very sorry about everything, and they're

1:15:09

traumatized people. But now, with the alternative for

1:15:13

Deutschlands rising saying, hey, the people are pissed now. Now

1:15:19

the German government's trying to change some things, controls

1:15:21

Unknown: for those entering Germany, such as this one near

1:15:24

Poland, now looks set to become widespread across the country's

1:15:27

3700 kilometer long land border, after ramping up security

1:15:31

measures on several of its frontiers last year, amid a

1:15:34

surge in first time asylum requests, Germany has announced

1:15:37

temporary internal checks at all of the country's land borders.

1:15:40

These are the same measures that we are now taking with the Czech

1:15:45

Republic, Poland, Austria and Switzerland. We will then do

1:15:48

this with France, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and

1:15:52

Denmark. I have ordered this today, and have already informed

1:15:55

the EU, starting next Monday, the controls will initially last for a period of

1:15:59

six months. The decision comes after a deadly mass stabbing

1:16:02

last month in the western city of zollingen, claimed by the

1:16:05

Islamic State group, an attack which inflamed fierce debate

1:16:08

over asylum rules when it transpired that the main suspect

1:16:11

was a Syrian refugee facing deportation, the government has

1:16:14

sought a response to the outrage. In the interior

1:16:17

Minister's view, stepping up border security will help

1:16:20

prevent such incidents in the future, this will serve to further limit irregular migration and protect

1:16:25

against the acute dangers posed by Islamist terror and serious

1:16:29

crime. We are doing everything we can to better protect the

1:16:32

people in our country against this. Adam Curry: So I love the term irregular migration, instead of

1:16:38

illegal irregular migration. As a person who grew up in the

1:16:42

Netherlands, having a border and having a checkpoint with Germany

1:16:46

is is hard to even fathom. I mean, you just drive straight

1:16:50

through and then, and now we had Brexit. And, well, actually,

1:16:53

forget Brexit. We had the EU Oh, you won't need passports and

1:16:57

anything like that. Now is like checks on the roadways. Things

1:17:01

have got to be pretty bad. And in general, this is something

1:17:04

I've been tracking with Amsterdam, but it's happening

1:17:08

everywhere. We have the irregular migration, destroying

1:17:14

all the beautiful cities in the European Union totally

1:17:16

destroying them, getting the cheap labor in to run the

1:17:20

tourism industry as the European Union countries are now being

1:17:24

turned into Disneyland, Rome,

1:17:26

Unknown: Santorini, Barcelona, Amsterdam, across Europe.

1:17:30

Efforts of all different sorts continue to roll in in a quest

1:17:34

to curb mass tourism, a case of biting the hand that feeds you,

1:17:39

or a necessary step to preserve a local life. Such moves are

1:17:42

steeped in controversy, with frequent protests among locals,

1:17:46

and as was the case this summer in Mallorca, municipalities are

1:17:49

trying to find solutions. One of the latest a proposal to charge

1:17:53

two euros at the Trevi Fountain in Rome for the city's top

1:17:57

tourism official. The access fee would help manage the crowds and

1:18:00

help them store a better code of conduct among visitors. The

1:18:04

monument already has three entrances, so one could imagine

1:18:09

an entrance, a normal exit and an emergency exit. Of course, we

1:18:14

will experiment with this before making it operational. The

1:18:20

proposal comes after Venice tested out a five year old fee to visit this

1:18:24

spring and summer, Greece announced it plans to levy a 20

1:18:27

year old tax on cruise ship visitors during the peak summer

1:18:30

season. The Prime Minister said, overturism isn't a problem on

1:18:33

the whole in Greece, but it is becoming one in popular

1:18:37

destinations like santorino Mykonos, Barcelona, is also in

1:18:41

storing attacks on cruise ship visitors that stay for less than

1:18:44

12 hours. Already, the city's mayor has vowed to end short

1:18:48

term apartment rentals to tourists by 2028 the city of

1:18:51

Bruges in Belgium also announced its plans to crack down on short

1:18:55

term rentals, and it has had a cap of two cruise ships a day

1:18:59

since 2019 in the nearby port of ZBrush. Such moves come as the

1:19:04

UN's tourism agency says that tourism is surging and exceeding

1:19:09

expectations by 2% with Europe remaining the world's top

1:19:13

destination. I Adam Curry: mean, go ahead and go take a look at these European

1:19:17

cities. It's all immigrants in the shops, in the restaurants,

1:19:21

regular or irregular, and it's just been turned into one big

1:19:25

Disneyland. So yeah, we might as well charge him those Horowitz's

1:19:28

were their cruise ship coming over here, parking in front of

1:19:33

our beautiful beaches. We charge you guys some money. This is,

1:19:39

this is a whole new world as happening right before our very

1:19:42

eyes. John C Dvorak: Well, there's a lot of talk about Europe getting

1:19:50

nuked by the Russians. Well,

1:19:52

Adam Curry: that would certainly make some room for people, wouldn't it?

1:19:57

John C Dvorak: And, yeah, would. And I, you know, it seems to. I

1:20:00

think it's almost as if we are encouraging it.

1:20:03

Adam Curry: Yeah, did you see the political article?

1:20:07

John C Dvorak: Which one? Oh, there's Adam Curry: a political article talking about, well, you know,

1:20:10

we're really, we're really starting to think about long

1:20:12

range weapons for Ukraine. Yes.

1:20:15

John C Dvorak: Well, here's, I got two clips. Oh, good, good,

1:20:18

Ukraine. Mole, mole, money clip

1:20:22

Unknown: one and a half billion. And Lam said, Britain will

1:20:25

provide more than 700 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. NTD let me do this one.

1:20:28

Unknown: Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken and British

1:20:30

Foreign Secretary David Lammy have arrived in Ukraine. They're

1:20:34

on a joint visit to show support for Kyiv. Ukraine is asking for

1:20:37

long range missiles to strike deep into Russian territory, but

1:20:41

there are concerns in Washington and some European capitals that

1:20:44

providing them would provoke Russia into a direct conflict

1:20:48

with the West. Officials also recognize that Ukraine needs

1:20:51

more support if it has turned the war in its favor here up

1:20:55

Lincoln and Lamy, the bottom line is this, we want Ukraine to win, and we're fully committed

1:21:00

to keep marshaling the support that it needs for its brave

1:21:02

defenders and citizens, to do just that. As we're meeting here

1:21:05

today, we're again seeing Putin dust off his winter playbook

1:21:09

targeting Ukrainian energy and electricity systems to weaponize

1:21:13

the cold against the Ukrainian people.

1:21:15

We're here to listen, to understand the plan, to

1:21:18

understand the strategy and understand the needs across a

1:21:22

whole range of fronts. Yes, of course, equipment, but of

1:21:27

course, energy that has been sabotaged, the support that's

1:21:30

needed on the humanitarian front over these next few months, and

1:21:34

how we continue to mobilize the international community on

1:21:39

Ukraine's behalf. Blinken

1:21:41

has said he wants to hear directly what kyiv's goals in

1:21:44

the war are and what Washington can do to help achieve them.

1:21:47

Zelensky has repeatedly pushed for permission to use Western

1:21:50

missiles to strike targets within Russia President Joe

1:21:54

Biden and UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer are set to discuss the

1:21:58

issue in Washington on Friday. Biden previously allowed Ukraine

1:22:02

to fire us provided missiles across the border into Russia in

1:22:06

self defense, but has largely limited the distance over

1:22:09

concerns about further escalating the conflict.

1:22:12

However, Russia suspects the decision to give Ukraine long

1:22:16

range missiles has already been made.

1:22:19

Adam Curry: Well, it's law, I mean, the all that the only

1:22:23

thing that has to happen is our president, after they wake him

1:22:27

up at four in the afternoon, all he has to say is, yeah, it's

1:22:29

okay. It's already it's good to go. Just have to say yes. And

1:22:34

the question is, when will they say yes? And you know, this is

1:22:38

the military guys. They're, they're the ones running all

1:22:41

this, and they don't care. What city do you think will get hit

1:22:44

first in in Europe? Kia,

1:22:47

John C Dvorak: Kyiv, yes,

1:22:49

Adam Curry: Kyiv, but that would just be a start.

1:22:53

John C Dvorak: No, once you did one, then all hell would break

1:22:55

loose. And they'd had, you know, if they wanted to have some fun,

1:22:58

they'd flatten Paris. Unknown: I now,

1:23:05

Adam Curry: why would that John C Dvorak: be? The French are the big talkers about

1:23:08

sending troops over there Adam Curry: if you want to have some fun, yeah, blow that Eiffel

1:23:13

Tower up. So I play the second clip this, UK. Yes,

1:23:17

John C Dvorak: the second clip is just, it's about the UK.

1:23:19

Yeah, Panda Unknown: Lam said, Britain will provide more than $780 million

1:23:23

in additional support to Ukraine. It will include around

1:23:26

350 million for humanitarian needs and over 480 million in

1:23:31

loan guarantees before the end of the year. That's in addition

1:23:34

to nearly $4 billion a year of military support Britain has

1:23:39

already committed to Ukraine for as long as needed.

1:23:43

John C Dvorak: Yeah, so just 4 billion a year for as long as

1:23:46

needed. So just to Adam Curry: recap, this goes back to 2014 when Victoria

1:23:51

Newland came in. Started, the Maidan, John McCain, Brennan,

1:23:56

everyone was over there getting, getting everything all all

1:23:59

started. Of course, you know, we had all kinds of corruption with

1:24:03

children of our elites who were making money there, Hunter

1:24:07

Biden, but also Romney's kid, all kinds of money just being

1:24:12

made, left and right. And before this all started, there was a

1:24:16

peace treaty on the table. The peace treaty was, was it looked

1:24:21

like everyone was okay with it. Because why was Putin mad?

1:24:25

Because Zelensky came out and said, Well, you know, I think we

1:24:28

should probably get some NATO nuclear weapons here. Don't you

1:24:31

think that's a good idea? Am I recalling that timeline more or

1:24:35

less correctly, more or less and Boris Johnson went over and

1:24:40

said, hey, yeah, you can't sign this peace deal that came much

1:24:44

later. You can't sign this peace deal much later. Yeah,

1:24:48

John C Dvorak: it would because they had the peace deal done.

1:24:51

Yes, it was the Minsk. I think this is the Minsk, one min and

1:24:55

as they were going to implement it, that's when Boris Johnson

1:24:58

went over there Adam Curry: and. And this was detailed in a recent interview,

1:25:02

an interview with the one the only Victoria Nudelman, ie

1:25:08

Nuland. There Unknown: was a story first told by former Israeli Prime Minister

1:25:12

navtali Bennett that that both sides were really close to the

1:25:16

end to the successful end of the negotiations. And then Prime

1:25:22

Minister Boris Johnson, interfered and stopped

1:25:26

Ukrainians. Prevented Ukrainians from from signing, signing the

1:25:30

deal. And then Ukrainian Representative arahami, kind of

1:25:35

confirmed that, yes, he said in an interview that there was some

1:25:39

kind of advice from Boris Johnson to

1:25:43

stop negotiating and to win this war militarily. Where is the

1:25:47

myth? Where is the truth? Relatively late in the game, the Ukrainians began asking for

1:25:57

advice on where this thing was going. And it became clear to

1:26:02

us, clear to the Brits, clear to others, that Putin's main

1:26:08

condition was buried in an annex to this document that they were

1:26:15

working on. Adam Curry: Oh, it was secret. He buried it. It was a very

1:26:19

secret, secret demand he had,

1:26:22

Unknown: and it included limits on the precise kinds of weapons

1:26:26

systems that Ukraine could have. Yeah,

1:26:30

Adam Curry: NATO, nuclear weapons. Oh, well, that was just

1:26:35

horrible Unknown: after the deal such that Ukraine would basically be

1:26:40

neutered as a military force, and there were no similar

1:26:44

constraints on Russia. Oh,

1:26:49

Adam Curry: so there she is, full admission. So that's why

1:26:52

they stopped the deal, because the whole thing was about in the

1:26:55

first place, about the nuclear weapons, which Ukraine never

1:26:58

had. Ukraine is not a NATO member, but they wanted to sneak

1:27:01

it in, encroaching on Russia. And, yeah, I mean, remember when

1:27:06

Cuba had some nuclear missiles? Well, we, we, we had to deal

1:27:10

with that, didn't we? These people are horrible. And you

1:27:16

know what? She's so horrible. She's become to look like the

1:27:19

person she is on the inside. Yeah, John C Dvorak: she's starting to she looks exactly like a

1:27:23

horrible person. Jabba the Hutt, yes.

1:27:27

Adam Curry: Here we go. Yeah, yeah. The EU, yeah, that's what

1:27:30

she said. She doesn't care about you. EU, she didn't care about

1:27:34

you. You'll see. John C Dvorak: I'm actually surprised that that clip didn't

1:27:37

have more backlash Unknown: the interview. No, no,

1:27:42

John C Dvorak: the FD, FDU. When she said, everyone in the EU

1:27:46

heard it, don't Adam Curry: you remember the the reporting, or she said an

1:27:49

expletive, they only focused on the F word, not on the actual

1:27:53

what it was about, like John C Dvorak: I was targeting the EU, yeah, well, which is, of

1:27:58

course, I think the EU should be targeted, and I think they've

1:28:01

I'm not the only one who thinks that way, and I think pushing a

1:28:05

nuke nuclear exchange within Europe and Russia would suit us

1:28:10

just fine, as long as they don't shoot one at us. God, don't you

1:28:14

think? I mean, am I wrong? Adam Curry: No, but I'm. I'm a little more pacifist in this can

1:28:20

we? Can John C Dvorak: we don't like the idea, but I'm just saying it

1:28:23

seems that that's what we're we're up to, and they're gonna

1:28:25

start well that we haven't provoked one yet. So let's just

1:28:30

give them some long range missiles and maybe a couple of

1:28:33

shots at Moscow might trigger it. Yeah. We

1:28:36

Adam Curry: gotta get this going, people. We gotta move.

1:28:38

Move, move. All right. I got to switch, switch gears. I got to

1:28:42

move to something funny. Well, John C Dvorak: before, oh, okay, well, I want to play well,

1:28:48

Adam Curry: what do you have? What John C Dvorak: do you have? Well, I want to play these.

1:28:51

These. There's some protests going on around the world. Okay,

1:28:54

well, that's not funny. Yeah, no, it's not funny, no. But

1:28:59

before I play that, I do want to play this, since it kind of

1:29:01

relates to the clips you just played. You just played, which

1:29:03

is the BBC had a representative Poland on and I just want to

1:29:06

this was showed up on Tiktok. And I just thought it was a good

1:29:09

clip, because it shows you that in some Poland and Hungary in

1:29:13

particular, they actually the leaders there care about the

1:29:18

people they're representing. And I thought this was a good

1:29:21

exchange to classic BBC. How

1:29:24

Unknown: many refugees has Poland taken? Zero. And you're

1:29:28

proud of that. If you are asking me, if you're if you are asking me about

1:29:32

Muslim Muslims, illegal immigration, none. Not even one

1:29:38

will come to Poland. Not even one. If it's illegal, we took

1:29:42

over 2 million Ukrainians who are working, who are peaceful in

1:29:46

Poland, we will not receive even one Muslim, because this is what

1:29:50

we promised. But I asked illegal immigrants. I asked about refugees and Jean

1:29:55

Claude Juncker, the commission president, says that you're

1:29:58

racist. You sound. Proud of the fact that you haven't taken any

1:30:02

refugees, of course, because this is what our people expecting from our

1:30:06

government. That's number one. This is why our government was

1:30:10

elected, but this is why Poland is so safe. This is the reason

1:30:15

why we have not even one terrorist attack. Look at the

1:30:19

streets in Poland, and we can be called populists, nationalists,

1:30:24

racists. I don't care. I care about my family and about my

1:30:28

country. Now Adam Curry: that's no good. Can't have that. Caring about

1:30:33

your country. Maybe in Poland you get a nuke. That's what

1:30:39

John C Dvorak: that's the interesting angle to that was,

1:30:42

this is what the people wanted. They wanted to be protected from

1:30:46

the bull crap and, well, that that guy. We're not seeing that.

1:30:51

Here we see protecting the bankers, as you mentioned. Keep

1:30:54

mentioning that. Yeah, yeah. You know the benefits the bankers,

1:30:58

or Adam Curry: some would say, the Jews. It's not just bankers.

1:31:05

John C Dvorak: Do you know here's so what I wanted to post

1:31:07

the anti arms protests in Philly. This was interesting,

1:31:10

because this, I think this is a democracy now clip, you might

1:31:14

want to put the warning up, but, oh boy, this was not reported

1:31:18

anywhere. Adam Curry: Oh man, where's the Amy clip? I can't find Amy good

1:31:23

John C Dvorak: Don't you have to play Unknown: it. In Philadelphia, several people were arrested

1:31:26

Tuesday evening as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the

1:31:30

venue of the presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Donald

1:31:33

Trump to demand an end to us support for Israel's war on

1:31:35

Gaza. I'm definitely not going to be voting for Trump or Harris. Terrible war

1:31:41

criminals, and Kamala want to act like she's one of the people, and she is not. She

1:31:46

is part of the same administration sending bonds to

1:31:49

death ahead of Tuesday's debate, Minnesota Governor and

1:31:55

democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz was heckled by

1:31:58

pro Palestine protesters during a campaign event in Phoenix,

1:32:02

Arizona. Meanwhile, in Australia, hundreds of

1:32:05

protesters rallied outside a weapons industry convention in

1:32:08

Melbourne. Earlier today, police fired stun grenades, rubber

1:32:12

bullets and pepper spray, arresting dozens of

1:32:14

demonstrators. Hundreds of weapons traders representing at

1:32:17

least 30 countries are expected to attend the land Force's 2024

1:32:21

military weapons Expo this week. Oh,

1:32:23

Adam Curry: the weapons Expo shopping. Let's go shopping. Is

1:32:27

Zelensky showing up? Expo? Is Zelensky showing up? Let's go

1:32:32

shopping. I want some holy range. Love

1:32:34

John C Dvorak: to go to the weapons Expo.

1:32:36

Adam Curry: I bet it's a hoot. I bet I bet there's a lot of

1:32:41

partying going on there. Can you imagine those parties? Speaking

1:32:45

it's John C Dvorak: got to be better than anything the computer

1:32:47

industry ever put on. Well, Adam Curry: speaking of such, have you ever partied with Larry

1:32:52

Ellison? John C Dvorak: I have never partied with Larry Ellison, but

1:32:57

I do know him. You've met him? Yeah, I actually introduced him

1:33:01

at an event once, and then I've run into him a couple of times.

1:33:04

Can you Adam Curry: give me a characterization of Larry Ellison? I mean, I've met him once. He would, Oracle was my

1:33:09

client when we had think new ideas. Actually, Ray Lane was,

1:33:13

was the big finance guy there, who later was our VC at Kleiner

1:33:17

Perkins, and, and, you know, and, and we, we did a Super Bowl

1:33:21

promotion for Oracle. We did the ad for them, and we did the Sign

1:33:27

Up website. It must have been, wow, 98 there was a 98 Super

1:33:32

Bowl. Does that sound right? I didn't know, yeah. And he seemed

1:33:36

like a sharp guy to me. How about you? John C Dvorak: I've always thought he seems like a very

1:33:40

smart guy, not a complete asshole that I could tell, and

1:33:46

likable, very likable. I Adam Curry: hear he's got great weed. Just kidding. I hear he's

1:33:53

got great weed. I'm just kidding. So he's now that he

1:33:57

stepped down from Oracle as the Chief Executive Officer. He's

1:34:00

now the Chief Technology Officer, which I think, I think

1:34:04

kind of makes sense. I mean, is he really a tech guy? You always

1:34:08

see more like a sales guy? To me, John C Dvorak: yeah, he's kind of a tech guy because, oh,

1:34:13

Adam Curry: I remember we also produced the introduction of the

1:34:17

the network computer. What was that? Was it called the network

1:34:21

computer? You remember that debacle?

1:34:24

John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was a little company rolled out now,

1:34:26

Gina Smith, actually, he named her CEO of that thing for a

1:34:29

while. That was too early. That was mistimed. It didn't work

1:34:35

out. It was a it was disaster, yeah. So

1:34:37

Adam Curry: we did, what was the name? Was it net? I had a name.

1:34:39

I John C Dvorak: think it was called network computer systems,

1:34:42

or something Adam Curry: simple like that. Because I remember we did the

1:34:45

the launch of that in New York City. And it was, it was we

1:34:49

didn't do the production of it. The stage production was

1:34:51

amazing. It had explosions and then all kinds of smoke and and

1:34:56

like a helicopter flying through the air. And it was a big.

1:35:00

Production. And then larisson Ellison's opening line was, I

1:35:04

come to work that way every day. I mean, it was, it was really,

1:35:07

it was a great bit. So Oracle had a great had a great quarter.

1:35:11

Everybody, great cue, great cue, guys, great cue that based upon

1:35:16

AI. And I hadn't really expected that. I didn't expect Oracle,

1:35:21

nobody did. No and and so I listened to the earnings call.

1:35:26

And the in the earnings call, they also have their 2025,

1:35:30

guidance, oh, we're going to tell you how great it's going to

1:35:33

be. And so this is where the analysts call in, well, first as

1:35:38

a statement, you know, from the CFO and the CEO and talk about

1:35:42

how great they are, and then they have the analysts and

1:35:45

people who are doing coverage on the company call up and ask

1:35:48

questions, and most of them start with, hey, great quarter,

1:35:51

guys. You really knocked it out of the park. That's really great. Here's the question I have for you, and in these

1:35:56

answers, this is where you want to provide guidance, which you

1:35:59

know should make your stock become very attractive to

1:36:03

institutional investors, etc. Am I characterizing that correctly?

1:36:06

More or less. If you want to add anything that I not do that

1:36:10

right? Well, typically,

1:36:12

John C Dvorak: the people in Silicon Valley try to under,

1:36:16

under, under promote to get better results. So you say,

1:36:22

well, we're gonna we look like we're gonna do this much, and

1:36:24

then they do that much, plus a panty, and the stock goes

1:36:27

skyrocket. Here's what they're trying to Adam Curry: do well. So Ellison is here to promote the

1:36:32

technology that Oracle has and how much money they're going to

1:36:35

make from it. So I have a couple clips here. Larry,

1:36:39

Unknown: how do you envision the market, transitioning from the

1:36:42

AI training phase to the AI inferencing phase, there's,

1:36:46

there's some debate out there on whether we have an imbalance or

1:36:50

a bubble on the front end of the curve, because training is a

1:36:54

compute intensive and then perhaps it recalibrates

1:36:57

differently somehow for the inferencing Stage, which might

1:37:00

be less intensive, or do you see the potential for high growth,

1:37:04

kind of all the way through both of these phases? Well, a lot of

1:37:09

people think that, my God, I send the kid to college, and

1:37:12

then I'm done. The training is over. I got four years of

1:37:15

training, and then then I can put the kid to work, and they'll

1:37:17

be doing inferencing. And that's not true. This race goes on

1:37:22

forever to build a better and better neural network, and the

1:37:31

cost of that training gets to be astronomical. When I talk about

1:37:35

building gigawatt or multi gigawatt data centers, I mean

1:37:40

these AI models, these these frontier models, are going to

1:37:45

the entry price for a real frontier model from someone

1:37:48

wants to compete in that area is around $100 billion let me

1:37:52

repeat around $100 billion that's over the next four or

1:37:55

five years, for anyone who wants to play in that game. That's a

1:37:59

lot of money, and it doesn't get it doesn't get easier. So

1:38:02

they're not going to be a lot of those. I mean, we could, you

1:38:04

know, this is not the place to list. Who can actually build one

1:38:08

of these frontier models. Adam Curry: $100 billion will be the entry price to play in this

1:38:14

AI game seems high, and I had to look up frontier models, which

1:38:22

is just a fancy word for the newest models, is not like

1:38:25

anything special is a frontier. Oh, it's frontier like we're a

1:38:27

frontier podcast. So, hmm, what? What can these specialized

1:38:33

models do? Larry, Unknown: but in addition to that, they're going to be a lot

1:38:37

of very, very specialized models. I can tell you things

1:38:40

that I'm personally involved in which which are using computers

1:38:45

to look at slide biopsies of slides or CAT scans to discover

1:38:52

cancer. Also discover

1:38:54

Adam Curry: cancer. Have we already discovered cancer?

1:38:58

Discover cancer. They're

1:39:00

Unknown: also blood tests we're doing for, you know, for discovering cancer. Those

1:39:04

Adam Curry: sounds like Theranos, anybody. We'll do a

1:39:07

blood test and run the AI over it, and then we'll discover

1:39:09

cancer. Uh huh, okay, for, you know, if

1:39:12

Unknown: we're discovering cancer, those tend to be very

1:39:14

specialized models. Those, those tend not necessarily to use the

1:39:18

foundational, you know, that, you know, the groks and the open

1:39:23

and the chatgpt and the llamas and and the Geminis, they tend

1:39:28

to be highly specialized models. Wow.

1:39:30

Adam Curry: So all that's bull crap. You want to come to us,

1:39:32

because we can detect cancer in your blood, which I think

1:39:34

there's pretty good tests for, but for some reason we needed to

1:39:38

have ai do it. So maybe you can just run into the drugstore.

1:39:41

This is Theranos. This is literally what Theranos was

1:39:43

saying they could do. Oh, you just do a quick little prick on

1:39:46

your finger, and then we'll see if you have cancer. So then the

1:39:49

big question comes, hey, is anyone going to monetize this

1:39:53

stuff? Can anyone make any money on this AI stuff?

1:39:56

Unknown: You already have traditional AI sprinkled

1:39:58

throughout all the oracles? Products and capabilities, but

1:40:01

where do you see the monetization, monetizable value

1:40:05

of Gen AI and the app side? How long do you think it's going to

1:40:08

take for Gen AI to be a meaningful revenue, not just for

1:40:12

Oracle, but software in general, on the app side, not on the

1:40:15

training side. Thank you. Let me start with with health care,

1:40:20

from everything from, uh, us helping doctors diagnose

1:40:26

Adam Curry: different what? John C Dvorak: Cancer?

1:40:30

Adam Curry: Yeah, no, this is what's crazy. You I'm just

1:40:33

joking. No, keep playing. You're laughing. You're joking. But

1:40:36

Unknown: that's it. Us helping doctors diagnose, you know,

1:40:41

different diseases. When someone goes in to get a sonogram, and

1:40:50

I've seen Hamana, Hamana, Hamana, the nurses and the

1:40:55

technicians and the doctors actually measure the baby's

1:40:58

skull and measure the baby's spinal cord to see how the baby

1:41:01

that's utterly ridiculous. Let Adam Curry: ai do that. You don't need to look at a

1:41:05

sonogram. Doctor, no, no, we need $100 billion to have aI

1:41:09

tell us that the umbilical cord is wrapped around the baby's

1:41:12

neck. The Unknown: computer should do all of that. And if there's an

1:41:16

umbilical wrapped around the fetus's neck, the computer

1:41:19

should discover all of that, and that should all be recorded. The

1:41:22

doctor could get assistance from a computer doing all of this

1:41:24

stuff, let the doctor know Adam Curry: that whether there's it's called a medical student,

1:41:28

Larry, there's stability Unknown: or disease progression or whatever the doctor needs to

1:41:34

know prior to the consultation with the patient. That summary

1:41:38

is presented, created by AI, human readable summary.

1:41:42

Adam Curry: It prints out a report, okay, the umbilical

1:41:46

cords wrapped around the baby's neck. Oh, that's good. I'm glad

1:41:48

I know that going into this consultation, then

1:41:51

Unknown: AI listens to the consultation between the doctor

1:41:54

and the patient. This is already delivered. This is already out

1:41:57

there. It Adam Curry: does a transcript, just like we have for the

1:41:59

podcast, delivered to listen to the Unknown: constellation with Doctor, the patient. If the

1:42:03

doctor orders a prescription, the AI checks to make sure the

1:42:05

prescription is accurate and enters the prescription the

1:42:09

doctor, the AI updates the electronic health. Does

1:42:12

Adam Curry: this sound a lot like your fridge will know when

1:42:14

your milk is out and will automatically order it for you.

1:42:17

This is a Rube Goldberg machine that cost $100 billion

1:42:21

Unknown: records the AI transcribes and distributes lost

1:42:26

doctors orders, all from listening to the conversation,

1:42:29

the doctor then gets a draft at the end of the conversation that

1:42:32

the doctor can quickly review and approve, and then the

1:42:36

prescriptions are filled and the orders and the order order

1:42:39

orders are executed and the electronic health records are

1:42:42

updated. We're already doing all of that.

1:42:45

Adam Curry: Oh, it's amazing. Oh, this is just already

1:42:48

John C Dvorak: doing all of that. Why do they need the 100

1:42:50

billion dollar investment? Ah, well, he

1:42:52

Adam Curry: has a kicker here. This is the final clip, and at

1:42:55

the end, you'll hear him fall apart and do something you

1:42:57

should never do, by the way, he's channeling Ron Bloom here,

1:43:01

that whole sequence of well, you know, then automatically, the

1:43:05

podcast will be delivered, and we'll insert an ad, and we'll be

1:43:09

able to track that and know if the person went into the store

1:43:11

online, and the future is just limitless for $100 billion and

1:43:17

now Larry's gonna screw it up, But first he's going to explain

1:43:21

what this really is. A spoiler alert. It's a chat bot, just

1:43:25

Unknown: the user interface, our user interface, you say, Oracle,

1:43:29

please show me Larry Ellison's latest X rays. We it's a voice

1:43:33

interface. You just ask for them. You know,

1:43:36

Siri. How do you log on? Well, you look at the computer, and it recognizes

1:43:41

your face and it recognizes your voice, that knows you're the

1:43:43

doctor Adam Curry: and you're authorized to look at that. My

1:43:46

Microsoft laptop does that. Unknown: All the authorization is done with AI. You know, when

1:43:50

are we going to start monetizing it? AI is just, I don't know.

1:43:54

Adam Curry: This is where he this is the biggest mistake he

1:43:56

could have made when, because he doesn't understand about apps.

1:44:00

He's talking about Oracle, and he's making a big mistake here.

1:44:04

When are we going Unknown: to start monetizing it? AI is just, I don't know how to

1:44:08

describe the best way describe it. It's not something you sell

1:44:12

separately. What it is, it is, it is the diagnosis. It's the

1:44:16

diagnostic system, it's the electronic health record system.

1:44:20

It is the pharmacy system, this prescription system, the user

1:44:25

authentication, the login system. It's all AI. And I know

1:44:29

people think it's a separate thing that, oh my God, and I

1:44:32

hear a bunch of applications, and they say, Oh, we got, we

1:44:35

got, now got AI agents we'll charge for separately. I mean,

1:44:38

it's our applications are going to be primarily AI applications,

1:44:44

everything. How do you charge separately for everything? I

1:44:48

really don't I find it bewildering when I listen to

1:44:51

them talk. I don't understand what they're saying. I wonder,

1:44:56

I'll stop there. Yeah, Adam Curry: you'll stop there. He just said, we. No way of

1:45:00

making extra money on it. This was a bad, bad mistake he made

1:45:06

here, and it's vapor. There's nothing. Oh, yeah, you're gonna

1:45:12

need $100 billion John C Dvorak: somebody's got to come up with a jingle for the

1:45:15

Adam curry. I hate AI segment of the show. It's a bubble.

1:45:23

Adam Curry: Well, Did you by any chance watch the Apple event,

1:45:26

the special Apple event. I saw some of it. I can give you.

1:45:30

Would you like my summary? Would you Well, John C Dvorak: I'm sure your summary is as good as any Well,

1:45:35

I'd like Adam Curry: to hear your your version first. Hey,

1:45:39

John C Dvorak: we got some stuff that's going to come out. We're going to make a special phone, and this is going to be the

1:45:43

greatest thing is sliced bread. You have to buy this very

1:45:46

expensive phone. It's going to be overpriced. But don't worry

1:45:49

about it, because we're going to have software someday that might

1:45:52

take advantage of this overpriced phone very

1:45:56

Adam Curry: close to mine. Except I have some keywords.

1:45:59

Everything we make is gorgeous. Our new chips will help you find

1:46:04

fix and fake pictures and videos of your otherwise boring life

1:46:08

and make you feel like you're awesome and gorgeous. Our AI

1:46:12

will help you get things done as soon as we release it, which is

1:46:16

soon, everything's the same price, but 20% bigger and 20%

1:46:21

more gorgeous. Yes, all of our men here at Apple are still

1:46:25

disturbingly bow legged, but at least they're gorgeous.

1:46:30

Unknown: That was my version of the Apple event.

1:46:34

John C Dvorak: You need to say gorgeous with more of a lisp,

1:46:37

gorgeous. There you go. Adam Curry: I'm working on it. It's just gorgeous. That's

1:46:46

John C Dvorak: kind of a combination Lisp, Sylvester, the

1:46:49

cat. This is even funnier.

1:46:52

Adam Curry: Gorgeous, gorgeous, just gorgeous. I was surprised

1:46:56

though, about the Cox media story, which I finally got a

1:47:02

clip, had to come from France 20. Well John C Dvorak: before you go to there this, stay with the Apple

1:47:06

thing, for one thing, because the big other story was this

1:47:09

$4,000 stupid phone that Huawei supposedly sold 4 million copies

1:47:16

of, sight unseen, that has a three fold aspect to it that's

1:47:22

vertical. It's a it's a horrible looking product. I didn't see.

1:47:26

Have you seen this thing? I'm Adam Curry: looking at it now. What is up with it? It says 2800

1:47:33

you said $4,000 it says, John C Dvorak: okay, 2800 Well, it's expensive, yeah. No, 20

1:47:38

isn't 28 Yeah, maybe it's 28 whatever it is. I'm looking at

1:47:42

it. Who the hell you can buy a used car for that? But okay,

1:47:46

really you

1:47:48

Adam Curry: can't buy, no, I don't think you can buy a good,

1:47:51

you, a solid used car for 2800 bucks anymore. Well,

1:47:56

John C Dvorak: whatever you can buy or not buy, that's a dumb

1:48:00

Adam Curry: Yeah, I like those flip phones from Samsung, but

1:48:02

this, no, the Samsung one's John C Dvorak: got the right idea, because it makes it a nice

1:48:05

little compact unit. Your pocket has got a screen on the outside.

1:48:08

It's dynamite. JC has one, yeah, but this, every time I'm

1:48:12

impressed with what can Adam Curry: I ask you? Can I ask you about that phone? Is about

1:48:15

it? Is it gorgeous? John C Dvorak: It's gorgeous? Got it. Never quite right

1:48:22

either. No, Adam Curry: you you're getting there. It's gorgeous, it's

1:48:25

gorgeous, but every color is gorgeous. It's just gorgeous.

1:48:30

But that John C Dvorak: thing is just hideous. I was

1:48:33

Adam Curry: reading in the Wall Street Journal, dumb phones and

1:48:36

fax machines are the new boss flex. Finally, finally, finally,

1:48:43

it's going to be cool again. It's going to be cool again to

1:48:46

have a dumb phone. I Unknown: don't know about the fax machine.

1:48:50

John C Dvorak: The fax I mean, what's the point of a fax

1:48:53

machine? Is idiotic, yeah. Adam Curry: Anyway, Cox media, this is the accusation. This is

1:49:00

a brief summary from France 24 from the technology chick.

1:49:04

Unknown: What happened is that a couple months ago, the American

1:49:06

conglomerate Cox Media Group admitted on their website that

1:49:09

they had the possibility of listening in to private

1:49:12

conversations and then helping advertisers target people

1:49:15

specifically. But we didn't really have proof. And then just

1:49:17

a couple of days ago, what they were able to obtain a pitch

1:49:22

deck, if you will, for investors, in which they advocate the power of voice data. And here's what they say

1:49:27

in one of their sections, don't just know what they're looking

1:49:31

for. So they're talking about us here, users, consumers, know

1:49:34

what they are actually talking about. So to really convince

1:49:38

their consumers of the power of voice data, here's what they

1:49:41

add. I'm going to read it to you because I think it's quite

1:49:43

chilling. Think about it. Smartphones have become

1:49:46

appendages of our persons. We're attached to them during the

1:49:49

workday. We bring them to date, soccer games and even to the

1:49:51

bathroom. In most moments of the day, there's a smart device

1:49:55

within a two inch radius of us. That means a smart device. Is

1:50:00

likely within earshot when we talk about our plans for the

1:50:03

weekend. For instance, badly we need our kitchen remodeled, or

1:50:07

debate which SUV model is best for the family with our spouse

1:50:09

and so much more. And they end by saying, creepy. Sure. Great

1:50:14

for marketing, definitely. So I mean, this is eerie. I mean,

1:50:18

this is evil. When you read this, it's one thing to actually

1:50:21

know that it exists, but to actually see how they're talking

1:50:24

about users as mere consumers, it's really something else. Oh

1:50:29

no, Adam Curry: I'm shocked. They just look at us as dumb buyers.

1:50:34

Oh no, does gambling. I never thought that this was happening

1:50:39

to this degree and sold like this. And, you know, in fact,

1:50:42

I'd probably push back on it, because I know that proximity is

1:50:46

used and, you know, but they actually have been deploying

1:50:49

this in apps. I might add, it's not, probably not in the in the

1:50:53

OS itself, but there's an SDK you can get, you drop it in, and

1:50:57

your app can then, you know, it'll say, Hey, give the give

1:51:00

your give this app your microphone permission. Sure. Got

1:51:03

permission. EULA employees John C Dvorak: any app you install it gives you. It gives

1:51:08

them permission to go for your contact list. Your turns your

1:51:13

camera on when it wants to, turns your microphone on when it

1:51:16

wants to, yeah, yeah. It's a spying device that you've agreed

1:51:20

to. Well, Adam Curry: this is the disturbing mini clip here that's

1:51:24

our our, our technology chick in France, 24 who was always

1:51:29

wearing sneakers. And they do a shot of the back from her. She's

1:51:33

got like, a fancy outfit on, but she's always wearing sneakers.

1:51:36

It's like, I'm going to work. But, you know, I just wear my

1:51:39

sneakers. And maybe that's the to be tech cool. This is

1:51:44

something that is very disturbing. I didn't know this

1:51:46

was going on. We've all Unknown: experienced this situation, I think, where you're

1:51:49

talking about something next to a phone, and then minutes later,

1:51:52

even seconds later, you scroll on an app, or you navigate

1:51:55

online and you find this advertising that's specifically

1:51:58

linked to what you were just talking about. So we all know

1:52:00

that it actually happens, right? And it's even become a joke

1:52:03

online, you know, with women who like purposely talk about

1:52:07

certain things next to their husband's phone to try to

1:52:10

suggest maybe a gift ideas. So that's just one way to do it. If

1:52:14

you have something to tell to your your husband, what

1:52:19

Adam Curry: I didn't know this was going on.

1:52:22

John C Dvorak: You've been suckers. Adam Curry: No wonder. I'm seeing ads for Tiffany earrings.

1:52:28

Hmm. This is interesting. Well, this is all no good.

1:52:34

John C Dvorak: This is quite funny. Unknown: This is all no good. It really is no no, none of it

1:52:39

John C Dvorak: good. And it's weak marketing too. You know,

1:52:42

they think, Well, it's great because you really target people, because you because they talked about something or

1:52:46

another for five seconds, and then let's go for it, and we can

1:52:49

sell an ad spot. Yeah, there's better ways. There's all kinds

1:52:54

of ways of doing it, yeah, without having to spy on an

1:52:58

individual, Adam Curry: yeah? But they're, they're drunk on it, man. It's

1:53:02

like, oh, look at all this data. Look at all we can do. That's

1:53:05

beautiful. That John C Dvorak: was what interactive TV was all about

1:53:08

when it first showed up. Oh, man, Adam Curry: remember IPTV? Remember all that IPTV? It's the

1:53:14

future, yeah. Oh, I talked to

1:53:17

John C Dvorak: always will be Adam Curry: Did I talk did I tell you about our, our, our

1:53:20

guy, our Hollywood, uh, executive, about the the cable

1:53:24

channel. No. So remember he was going to talk to, oh, right,

1:53:30

right, our cable channel, yeah, yeah. Our V for VTV, yeah. So

1:53:34

he, he talked to the guy who got, I think HBO started, and

1:53:38

couple other he has, he has these contacts, yeah, it's not a

1:53:41

slouch. No, no, he's he's the real deal. He says, Well, bad

1:53:46

news. My guy felt it was not possible in this environment

1:53:50

that it would be incredibly unlikely to get a carriage deal.

1:53:54

He did promise to give further thought, but I'm currently not

1:53:57

optimistic. It's the state of because I and I went back and I

1:54:00

said, but if we bring in Joe Rogan, and we can bring all

1:54:04

these other big names, no, it's not about Joe. He says it's the

1:54:07

state of the cable business and the continually tightening

1:54:10

budgets and cutting not adding channels, it's also the demo. It

1:54:15

continues to be an aging demo that sounds like a death knell

1:54:20

John C Dvorak: when a cable is yeah for the cable business,

1:54:23

when Adam Curry: the cable business won't even take a channel that

1:54:25

has Rogan and Megan Kelly and code Bongino and anybody else,

1:54:29

we could get sucker into it, the Jimmy door. Shoot, man, we'll

1:54:34

get, we'll get to a chunk, damn

1:54:40

John C Dvorak: chunks already on cable. Hello. He doesn't need

1:54:43

us. So, in fact, why is chunk on cable? Yeah, well,

1:54:48

Adam Curry: aging demographic, there you go. That's what it is.

1:54:52

And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage say in the

1:54:55

morning to you, the man who put 2c into fact checks 3c say hello

1:54:59

to. Friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John,

1:55:08

John C Dvorak: well in the morning, Sam Craig is ships deep

1:55:10

on the graph. In the intercept, a lot of the Dames and knights

1:55:13

out there, Adam Curry: all right, cotton gin is on the ball. Let me count

1:55:15

you troubles. Here we go. 2223 at the peak, trolls in the troll

1:55:24

room. People wanted to hear something. Yeah, it's because of

1:55:28

the debate. Yeah. Well, no, it's because we're the hyperscalers.

1:55:31

That's my new word of the day. Hyperscalers.

1:55:34

John C Dvorak: Whatever that means. Well, don't Adam Curry: hear it all day on CNBC. But is it? I don't know. I

1:55:40

think it's the it's, why would we be it? Well, well, we're just

1:55:44

as vapid as chat. Ai, open AI, that's, that's what they're

1:55:48

talking about, rapid at all the hyperscalers, I think they mean

1:55:54

people who need to use a lot of compute. If you use a lot of

1:55:59

compute, you're a hyperscaler. I don't know. We should get a

1:56:02

definition. I just wrote it down.

1:56:04

John C Dvorak: It'll come up on Dvorak Horowitz. Well,

1:56:06

Adam Curry: you should talk to Horowitz about the about the

1:56:08

hyperscaler. By the way, I liked your ETF episode. That was good.

1:56:13

John C Dvorak: Ah, we're gonna do a short seller. One next.

1:56:16

Yes, Dvorak. Adam Curry: DH, unplugged. DH, unplug.com, come ahead live on

1:56:22

Tuesdays comes I didn't. I rarely just do it live, but

1:56:24

listen to it on Wednesdays. It's a very entertaining overview of

1:56:28

the markets, and it's an unrehearsed conversation, which

1:56:30

we join already in progress. It's a pretty much it's a good

1:56:35

show. It's a good show. John C Dvorak: Those we thank you for that plug, because we

1:56:40

plug no agenda constantly. I know, I know it's a deserved

1:56:43

plug. While we're at it's called log rolling.

1:56:47

Adam Curry: We call it a pod roll. Sorry, we, we

1:56:50

John C Dvorak: pod roll, log roll. Hey, those trolls did we

1:56:55

wishes, by the way, surprises me to this day that Joe Rogan's not

1:56:58

more into that, Adam Curry: into pod rolling, or blog rolling, pod rolling, yeah,

1:57:04

what do you mean? Unknown: He doesn't like

1:57:07

John C Dvorak: let guys plug stuff enough

1:57:10

Adam Curry: well, he plugged me again just the other day.

1:57:13

John C Dvorak: He mentioned your name. Adam Curry: He said, Well, he said, My said, my friend Adam

1:57:19

curry. You know who that is. You know the guy who started

1:57:21

podcasting. He always says that, John C Dvorak: yeah, what good does that do to no agenda show

1:57:26

people Adam Curry: go looking Adam curry, guy who started

1:57:29

podcasting, nobody for anything. Jamie, look that up. All right.

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joy and the joy brigade. No, the what was it? What's, what's the

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Nazi slogan that that everyone was memeing about, yes, it's

1:58:15

like strength through joy. Strength through joy. Yes,

1:58:18

witness Hogan's Heroes. Unknown: That's something to go on. Arrange a little party.

1:58:23

That is exactly what I was thinking. Her general

1:58:27

good food and enough wine to make him talkative and perhaps

1:58:30

even some charming feminine company.

1:58:33

That is an excellent idea, by the way, I have this young lady

1:58:37

friend, Gretchen. I met her at the strength through joy picnic.

1:58:40

Please spare me the details. Just arrange the party.

1:58:46

Adam Curry: How about that? Hogan's Heroes, good reference.

1:58:49

I was surprised by that John C Dvorak: strength through joy party,

1:58:53

Adam Curry: that's right, yeah, the strength through joy party,

1:58:56

Democrats. Sorry, exactly. Sorry. Democrat party, but you

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guys are fact and you guys are evil right now. You guys are the

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once again, by a Dutch master comic strip blogger for Episode

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1693 produced that one for you in Mexico while I was

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vacationing, and we titled The show Freedom Force. And even we

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could not resist this piece of art, which was but we could

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resist it, but we didn't. It was hard. It was hard. It was just

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so funny. It violated a rule. It violated a whole bunch of two

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rules, John C Dvorak: actually, three, maybe Adam Curry: AI being one, it being a person that was two. And

2:01:40

comic strip blogger was that the third John C Dvorak: one and the same person we used in the previous

2:01:44

show? Oh, we Adam Curry: violated many, many, many, well, no, but we've, we've

2:01:49

done the same person. Oh, you mean the same person subject in

2:01:53

the artwork, John C Dvorak: yeah, two shows in a row, very it's never

2:01:57

happened before. And Adam Curry: the fact that it was just AI, which is just kind of

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mind boggling. But we had complained the comic strip

2:02:05

blogger had not done a good job with this prompt jockeying, of

2:02:08

putting lettering onto clothing, etc,

2:02:13

John C Dvorak: because he tried a couple times he wasn't surface

2:02:15

mapping properly. No Adam Curry: good surface mapping. So now he did a version

2:02:22

of Tim pool, the pool man with his beanie, only the beanie was

2:02:27

worn by Vladimir Putin, who had his headset on and he had his

2:02:30

microphone and a put casting on the front. We just, we laughed

2:02:35

too much. I think that's why we chose this. Like, what else can

2:02:39

we do? It's just that funny. And people loved it. They really

2:02:43

did. And people just went like, this is so good.

2:02:49

John C Dvorak: It was the bet. It was the it was nothing really

2:02:52

to compete with. Adam Curry: No, well, let me take a look and see what we had.

2:02:55

I did, John C Dvorak: like Fred the mouse the rat. Like roundabouts

2:03:00

a lot. Yeah, I Adam Curry: got some feedback on the round. Did you get any

2:03:04

pushback on the roundabouts? No, oh, lot of people weighed in.

2:03:09

Would they say? Here's an example, Idaho. I moved to Nam

2:03:13

Nampa, Idaho in 2015 traffic was horrible on the back roads. I

2:03:16

had to sit in traffic every day. Over the past few years, they've

2:03:19

been pulling four way stops and replacing them with roundabouts,

2:03:21

and they're amazing. Traffic is so much better. I hate

2:03:24

government. I'm an anarchist. I think governments are organized

2:03:27

criminal gangs. But that said, Idaho has been very good at

2:03:30

maintaining our roads, and they got rid of smog, and I don't

2:03:33

think they're doing it for climate change here. Roundabouts

2:03:35

rule, but John C Dvorak: we, I did get a note from one of our guys who

2:03:39

once lived in Berkeley, and he brought up, and I sent this to

2:03:42

you, have it too? Yeah, where he said, We're we'd use the wrong

2:03:46

definition for roundabouts, the ones in Berkeley. Oh, and

2:03:50

because it was supposed to save, you know, climate change stuff.

2:03:53

And it's true what he said, in Berkeley, there's a roundabout,

2:03:57

but there's a four way stop and a roundabout. This is Berkeley

2:04:01

for you. So you have to stop, and then you go into the

2:04:04

roundabout to make the and it was to prevent people from

2:04:07

getting into wrecks on left turns, which on a four way stop

2:04:11

is, I've never seen one. Well, I've been driving for 50 years,

2:04:16

and I have never seen a wreck at a four way stop because somebody

2:04:21

made a left turn. So, but, okay, they put the roundabouts in

2:04:24

anyway. I but it's not a true roundabout, as far as he's

2:04:27

concerned. No, a true roundabouts, like the ones you

2:04:29

run into in England or France, where it's like you're you come

2:04:32

up on the thing you got to yield is angled so you go on to the

2:04:36

roundabout. And if you're in France, I should mention the

2:04:39

rule is very they have a right of way rule. So if somebody's

2:04:43

coming onto the roundabout on the right, they have the right

2:04:46

of Adam Curry: way, yeah, which is not typical for most

2:04:49

roundabouts. No, John C Dvorak: it's not typical. Typically the roundabout, if

2:04:52

you're on the roundabout, you have the right away, yeah. And

2:04:56

in France, no, I always enjoy.

2:05:00

Adam Curry: The roundabouts in Europe. I thought they were I

2:05:03

thought they were convenient. I liked him. We have

2:05:06

John C Dvorak: a true roundabout at the top of the foot of, at

2:05:09

the top of Marin Avenue, there's a roundabout that goes off to

2:05:13

1234, I think it's four or five exits. So you can go right all

2:05:18

kinds of different directions. And 12345, it's probably five.

2:05:24

And you and it's a real roundabout, you go, there's no

2:05:27

stopping. And I find them to be annoying because, and I'll tell

2:05:31

you why. Maybe in Europe, joke because people are used to

2:05:34

nobody knows what they're doing. In the United States, on a

2:05:37

roundabout, I remember stop while they're in the roundabout.

2:05:43

Yeah, that's no good. Adam Curry: That's wrong. That's wrong. They're doing it wrong. I

2:05:49

do remember, um, moving to the UK and the roundabouts, and it

2:05:54

happened probably three times that I would enter the

2:05:57

roundabout going the wrong way. Oh, that's terrible. And they'd

2:06:03

always have the Brits like and like, and they'd hold up their

2:06:06

hands, like, foreigner like, Yeah, I'm sorry, you know, and

2:06:11

try doing a three point turn on a roundabout. It's a bad

2:06:15

situation. But otherwise, I think roundabouts pretty good.

2:06:20

I'm sure you would rather have the potholes fixed than

2:06:22

roundabouts. I'd John C Dvorak: rather have potholes fixed and more lanes on

2:06:27

the freeway than roundabouts.

2:06:31

Adam Curry: So we had Fred the rat. See, there was, What else

2:06:35

was there? Some Mexico stuff, 47 with a sledgehammer, the camel,

2:06:44

lipstick, coffee cup. Yeah, there really wasn't much else

2:06:50

was there? John C Dvorak: Well, today, there's quite a bit. I

2:06:53

Adam Curry: see a lot has come in. Yeah, John C Dvorak: a lot of it is hilarious. So it's going to be

2:06:58

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to be knighted, sir, maybe, yeah, actually, maybe Baron. I'd

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like to be knighted Sir Douglas of the Bahamas at the round

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table. I'd love to see some prayer, Pirate Republic, beer.

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No, I have a request. First is something you can read to the

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listeners to activate your no agenda intelligence network.

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Adam, you and I have discussed this a little over email. In the

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olden days, I used to listen to Adam's daily source code. That

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is olden days. I think I may have gotten to that. I think I

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may have gotten to that. My a guest appearance. I can't read

2:11:00

what he said on on Adams, on the Gilmore gang. I think of this as

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the original Joe Rogan appearance. That was a wonky

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gang, but a fun listen. Adam Curry: I don't know what. Well, you remember the Gilmore

2:11:13

gang, don't you? Steve Gilmore? Yeah, and those guys

2:11:18

John C Dvorak: during one episode, maybe 10, four, 2006

2:11:22

but no later than 322, 2007 the must. Poked and prodded. Jason

2:11:28

Calacanis was the guest. J, Cal, J, Cal. He ended the show, yes,

2:11:35

yeah. He ended the show with a fantastically funny riff where

2:11:39

he pretended to be Adam. Yeah, he does voices. He does, uh,

2:11:46

stoned in the audio a six studio parked on the streets of

2:11:50

Amsterdam. It was really good and not mean spirited. No, it

2:11:56

was mean spirited. Jason's voices are all mean spirited.

2:12:00

Don't kid yourself. The Golden clip is not easy to find, I

2:12:05

guess not. I know there were interpersonal issues among some

2:12:09

of you early podcasts, but that may have made some of this

2:12:12

material vanish. Not sure what he's talking about. Well, I

2:12:16

guess what he says around, Adam Curry: let me, let me just say something. Jason Calacanis

2:12:22

and I have known each other for a long time. You've known him

2:12:25

for a long time. We poke fun at each other. He's great. He just

2:12:28

moved to Texas. I'm gonna go shooting on his property pretty

2:12:31

soon. Oh, are John C Dvorak: you now? Of course you can have this gun.

2:12:36

Would you like to shoot? I also bought a Mac can.

2:12:40

Adam Curry: He also listens to the show, by the way, yeah,

2:12:43

okay, John C Dvorak: sure he does. He does. Adam Curry: He sends me notes all the time, any, any,

2:12:49

especially the logical impregnations that you do.

2:12:54

Unknown: Sure he does. He Adam Curry: does. He does. He's a listener, all right. Jason,

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sending a donation just to prove that you're listening. You

2:13:01

watch. There you Unknown: go. Now

2:13:04

John C Dvorak: will be the day now. Anyway, he goes on and

2:13:09

says, This golden clip is not easy to find. I know there were

2:13:14

interpersonal issues among some of you early podcasters that may

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have made some of this material vanish. No, no. But if someone

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smarter than me could dig it up, I would be great listen for the

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no agenda. Audience, thanks, gents, yeah, Adam Curry: I'd love to hear that too. Those are good days. I

2:13:28

would too, because it was true. I was smoking weed in my Audi,

2:13:32

which I used at a studio, and doing podcasts. Good times.

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Thank you. Doug, uh, sir. Mr. Bob dabulina checks in from

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confused about this. I guess what he's talking about is the

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Kamala saying I'm going to tax unrealized gains. That's not

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going to happen. John C Dvorak: That'll No, it'll break everyone in Congress.

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Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. That's not going to happen. All right,

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I'll take it out with Mr. Bob Alina, Mr. Bob dabalina, because

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I couldn't find a jingle. Thank you very much. John C Dvorak: Bowman McMahan in San Antonio, you're right down

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the street. $500 in loving memory of James Patrick McMahon,

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Adam Curry: moving on to minister, Kat from Austin,

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Texas, also right down the road. What John C Dvorak: happened to Sir Luca?

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Adam Curry: I'm sorry, moving on to Sir Luca from savosa, oh,

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from another one of those Swiss guys. Yeah, the Swiss are

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listening, yes? Well, Sir Luca does. I think he also organizes

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meetups. Happy birthday to me. I. Greetings, Celinda Liu and f

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the EU sir Luca, while Unknown: I'm driving off laughing, this is what I'll say.

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Adam Curry: All right, you're on the list, John C Dvorak: and now we go to miss Minister cat in Austin,

2:15:23

three, three, 3.33. You guys are my sanity in this rapidly

2:15:27

declining world. Put it in the Red Book that hydrogen fuel

2:15:31

cells are coming. They've already come, and Taylor Swift

2:15:35

will have a late term abortion. That's a good prediction.

2:15:42

Unknown: That's pretty funny. John C Dvorak: Uh, yours, uh, yours in ridicule and hopeful

2:15:47

peach peach peach peach. Peace a minister cat of Austin, Texas.

2:15:54

All right. Adam Curry: Minister cat, thank you very much. We move on to

2:15:58

Duchess Kim, three, three, 3.33. And Duchess Kim has a birthday,

2:16:05

turns 41 on the 22nd and sent in a note. This is Duchess Kim,

2:16:10

keeper of the nutty fluffers. Once jingle. Screw your freedom,

2:16:14

little girl, yeah. And a double goat. Karma. Well, we can do let

2:16:17

me just make sure I got two goats. We have two goats. Thank

2:16:20

you. Round them up, calling all of gibbonation. I'm in need of

2:16:24

any prayers, karma, rain dances and shoot even voodoo dolls at

2:16:28

this point, if it will help, I'm going in for my third and

2:16:32

hopefully final retinal detachment surgery on the same

2:16:36

eye. Now this is, this is Dame Kim, who has been through this,

2:16:40

right? We've been through this with her, Yes,

2:16:43

John C Dvorak: man. And planning to do, Adam Curry: oh man,

2:16:46

John C Dvorak: this is not mistaken. You have to keep your

2:16:48

head upside down. You got to keep it down looking to the

2:16:51

ground so they put you in a special bed. You have to stick

2:16:54

to this has got to be the most this got to be one of the most

2:16:59

uncomfortable things you can do Adam Curry: no pressure, boys. But with being blind in my good

2:17:03

eye due to a macular hole, I will be counting on you guys to

2:17:08

make me laugh, and I would be looking forward to your shows

2:17:10

more so than usual. Over the next few weeks, we guarantee you

2:17:14

we're going to make you laugh. John C Dvorak: Making you laugh when you're after this operation

2:17:18

is necessarily a good thing. Adam Curry: Well, it helped. The last time she said, Well,

2:17:24

John C Dvorak: she didn't help that much. She had to go in for

2:17:26

a second round. Also, Adam Curry: since I will not be able to see well enough, can I

2:17:30

please get a biscuit on my 41st trip around the sun on September

2:17:34

22 Unknown: they always give me a biscuit on my birthday. I

2:17:37

Adam Curry: have a feeling Jay will add you to the list for

2:17:39

then. She's very good at that. Happy birthday, Adam, thank you.

2:17:42

Don't worry, we're not getting older. We're just getting finer

2:17:44

and more expensive, like wine, man, I really wish I had my

2:17:48

rubbleizer tote bag or challenge coin for my birthday. You two

2:17:51

are the bee's knees and I would be wearing a tinfoil hat on my

2:17:54

head and living under my bed if it was not for you to keep up

2:17:56

the great work and four more years as Dutchess Kim keeper of

2:18:02

the nutty fluffers. Screw your freedom.

2:18:07

Unknown: You've got karma a

2:18:11

Adam Curry: double as requested karma. There we go.

2:18:18

John C Dvorak: Got you covered onward with and get well soon.

2:18:22

Yes. Kim Nathan Rottier in West Locke, Alberta, Canada, three,

2:18:28

three, 3.33. And he has a small, very small, you can tell by the

2:18:33

pitch there, little bitty note dear Adam and John, after seeing

2:18:38

the sad puppy, the couple does last show so many shows in a

2:18:42

row, I decided to move my annual donation up a month. And my 33rd

2:18:49

birthday is coming up, so I'd like a fresh biscuit, please.

2:18:53

They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Fresh biscuit. And

2:18:56

as a side note, Adam, yes, your pronunciation of my last name is

2:19:00

excellent, as it is French, but unfortunately, during the 1700s

2:19:07

it migrated to Holland, then to Canada in the 50s. So it's

2:19:12

changed to Unknown: to wrote rotary

2:19:17

John C Dvorak: roti roti rotar. I don't like it. We're just

2:19:21

gonna stick with rotier. We're gonna stick with roti a side. I

2:19:25

still like Adam Curry: rotate. That's what it is. Man, your rotate us.

2:19:28

Thank you. John C Dvorak: Is rototi Ro roto here, Rotater, I don't know.

2:19:35

Rotator rotor, yeah. Okay. On to our first

2:19:39

Adam Curry: Associate Executive Producer, $250 mark from Graham

2:19:43

Washington also sent us a note, and I have the note here. John

2:19:48

Adam, thank you for the years of entertainment. Just to say I

2:19:54

can't just to say no to an exit strategy, please give me

2:19:58

relationship karma. Because although I will be always,

2:20:03

although I will always love my ex, Oh, I must find a way to

2:20:08

move on. Oh, sorry about that, and you will move on. You will

2:20:11

it'll be okay. Also, please give her a jobs, karma. Lastly,

2:20:15

please give a f cancer and prayer for sweet little four

2:20:19

year old Oakley. She's a fighter, but we can use all the

2:20:22

help she can get. Adam, I love that you found your way to

2:20:26

Christ, and hope to follow in your footsteps. Well, follow in

2:20:29

his footsteps, absolutely. So we will give you relationship, F,

2:20:34

cancer, karma and and you'll be fine. I really think so. I

2:20:44

Unknown: You've got karma. John C Dvorak: The Harper team is back with in Temecula. Oh 250

2:20:52

bucks, Temecula, Temecula, the Harper team would like to

2:20:57

shorten last week's message to the following. Uh, okay, if

2:21:04

you're ready to get at the hell out of California and move to

2:21:06

the great State of Tennessee, we can help with that. However, if

2:21:11

you're committed to going down with this ship in Southern

2:21:14

California because you refuse to leave the perfect weather, we

2:21:18

totally get it. We can help with that too. Call, text us at

2:21:23

760-450-4165, have a great week.

2:21:30

Adam Curry: Oh, thank you. Harper team, sir. Eternus quivi,

2:21:34

I think it is Laredo, Texas. He wants to wish me happy birthday

2:21:37

with $250 for the for the show. Thank you. Appreciate that.

2:21:42

John C Dvorak: Dame Beth in Tucson, Arizona, 222, the 805,

2:21:47

rooftop meetup was the spookiest ever. Probably a lot of spooks

2:21:52

in Arizona, we determined that everyone was a spook or spook

2:21:56

adjacent, except me. I'm just the chief of staff to an elected

2:22:01

official. Oh, wait. Jingle. Fletcher, four more years. Thank

2:22:05

you for your courage. Dame Beth, the Baroness of Baja, Arizona.

2:22:10

Four more years. Adam Curry: Daniel perutzo, Courtenay, British Columbia,

2:22:16

222, short row of ducks. Hello. John Adams to switch Roo, just

2:22:19

want to say, Wow, what a great show you guys put together. I

2:22:23

see a lot of crap out there. You guys really rise above it all.

2:22:26

My smoking hot wife hit me in the mouth of no agenda about six

2:22:29

months ago. We both look forward to listening to your show

2:22:31

together while working on our awesome little farm on beautiful

2:22:35

Vancouver Island in Courtenay, British Columbia. Oh how nice.

2:22:39

Yeah. And you know, people who know agenda together stay

2:22:43

together. So I would like to dedicate this Associate

2:22:46

Executive producership to my wife, Bailey Davies. It's our

2:22:50

15th anniversary today, September 12, and I can't thank

2:22:53

her enough for being by my side through all these crazy times.

2:22:56

And I look forward to the next 15 years and beyond. Could you

2:22:59

give her a deduction Unknown: you've been D douche

2:23:05

Adam Curry: and some baby making karma. Yeah, we're good for that

2:23:08

too. Also toss in a yak karma, unless you have elk karma only

2:23:13

Yak, but I think it doubles. I think Yak and Yak double as elk.

2:23:18

She is off to Cranbrook tomorrow on her first hunting trip with

2:23:21

her new gun. She's such a badass. Happy anniversary. Baby.

2:23:26

Cheers from D you bet

2:23:30

Unknown: you've got Parma. You've

2:23:40

Adam Curry: got Parma. Remember? Gotta name your baby after Adam

2:23:44

and John John C Dvorak: Eli, the coffee guy in bensonville, Illinois,

2:23:49

209 12. While researching Walter water filtration to improve the

2:23:55

quality of my coffee brewing, I ended up going down a rabbit

2:23:59

hole regarding Atrazine in the water supply. Turns out Alex

2:24:04

Jones is right. Well, we played, actually, he says seed, seed man

2:24:07

jingle. You'd like to hear that, but we played a clip years ago

2:24:11

that was on Democracy Now, from a professor at Cal who had done

2:24:16

all the research on this. Yes, I remember that. And yes, Alex

2:24:21

Jones is right. There's the frogs gay. Remember, folks

2:24:27

always use filtered water for drinking or brewing coffee and

2:24:30

and I do. I use the Clearly Filtered water, yeah, which

2:24:34

takes out fluorine too. And visit gigawatt Coffee

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roasters.com use code ITM for 20% off your order, stay

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caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy, and they do make a good, a good

2:24:46

blend of they make good, they do a good job of roasting beans.

2:24:50

Adam Curry: Did you say fluorine? John C Dvorak: Said fluoride. No, I

2:24:54

Adam Curry: thought you said fluorine, which was kind of weird. Well, I

2:24:56

John C Dvorak: thought I said fluoride. I said Unknown: weird. I don't like a button. Chemicals. Weird, yes,

2:25:02

be quiet. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water

2:25:04

that turn the friggin frogs gay.

2:25:09

Adam Curry: Beachview farm, Oak Harbor, Washington, two. Oh,

2:25:11

2.02, nice, nice, nice. Number there. Thank you both for what

2:25:15

you do. Adam, keep reminding people to eat real food grown by

2:25:18

proper farmers. Find your regenerative agriculture

2:25:21

operation near you? Any producers in the Pacific

2:25:24

Northwest that want the best Wagyu beef in the universe,

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please support beach view farm on Whidbey Island. Visit

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beachviewfarm.com. For all your excellent meat and food search

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needs. John C Dvorak: Well, how about the new one? This

2:25:38

Adam Curry: is new. Yes, I have meat needs,

2:25:42

John C Dvorak: so this a wagyu American wagyu. Is that what

2:25:45

we're dealing with here? Adam Curry: I think so. Sounds like a good deal, and it's up

2:25:49

near you or near Mimi. I wonder

2:25:52

John C Dvorak: if this is the group that sells the wagyu to

2:25:54

Costco. Oh, that's

2:25:57

Unknown: a good question. John C Dvorak: Somebody told me that they, they Ryan, know the

2:26:00

guys who sell their wagyu to Costco, and I said, woohoo, and

2:26:04

I never heard back. Must be fake news. It's fake news. Somebody

2:26:09

sells it to him. Unknown: Oh, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a

2:26:13

competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot. Now, everyone hug

2:26:17

and share a secret. You've got karma

2:26:22

John C Dvorak: each view farm in Oak Harbor, yeah, or actually,

2:26:25

Whidbey Island, interesting, I didn't know there was a

2:26:29

interesting Linda Lou padkin in Lakewood, Colorado, as she comes

2:26:33

in with 200 bucks as usual, and asks for jobs karma and says, I

2:26:39

think you have a lure and for a resume that's alluring, Oh, I

2:26:44

see what she did. Yeah, she's switching up her copy or ad

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and resume executive resume and job search needs, that's image

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makers. Inc, with a k.com with Linda Lou Duchess of jobs and

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writer of resumes, jobs,

2:27:04

Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's

2:27:09

Adam Curry: vote for jobs karma. Wonderful. Linda Lou, thank you

2:27:12

for being here every single episode. And we wrap up our

2:27:15

Associate Executive producers with Anonymous with $200 no

2:27:19

note. So that means a double up karma for you, anonymous,

2:27:22

Unknown: you've got Adam Curry: karma. And thank you to all of these executive and

2:27:28

Associate Executive producers of episode 1694 we are well on our

2:27:33

way to 1700 thank you for producing this episode of the

2:27:37

show. Our Unknown: formula is this, we go out. We hit people in the mouth,

2:27:42

Yeah, Adam Curry: shut up, shut up, slave, shut up, shut up, shut

2:27:59

up, shut Unknown: up, shut up, all right,

2:28:03

Adam Curry: I have some things, but maybe you have some things

2:28:06

that you want John C Dvorak: to get out get this out of the way. This is the

2:28:11

Adam Curry: it always sounds like it's no good when you say I want to get no I know it's got to

2:28:14

John C Dvorak: be out of the way, but good, that's what it's

2:28:19

no good. I got no good clips here that are going to get out

2:28:22

of the way. But first, let me I do have a humorous clip.

2:28:26

Unknown: Okay, dead in cubicle. Oh, okay. This is this. We know

2:28:32

this story. A Tempe Wells Fargo employee died at her desk, and 12 news is

2:28:37

now confirming that it may have taken as many as four days for

2:28:41

anyone in the office to notice. Good evening, and thanks so much

2:28:44

for joining us for 12 News at 10. I'm kadiva devine. I'm Mark Curtis.

2:28:47

It's a story we first reported yesterday. Tonight, Tempe Police

2:28:51

are confirming the timeline of when the woman clocked in to

2:28:55

when her colleagues found the body. 12 news journalist

2:28:58

Gabriela vaquerra is in the studio with New details tonight.

2:29:01

Gabby, four days. I mean, this poor woman went four days undiscovered. It's hard to

2:29:07

believe, and that's a question many employees are asking themselves. Tonight, I

2:29:11

spoke with an employee who said that she shared her perspective

2:29:15

on the workplace environment, and they say it's a big

2:29:18

building, but most people don't work there on a daily basis, a

2:29:21

Wells Fargo employee went to work the morning of Friday,

2:29:24

August 16, and never went home. Tempe Police tell 12 news 60

2:29:29

year old Denise Prudhomme scanned into work at seven

2:29:32

o'clock in the morning. Four days later, police responded to

2:29:35

the office building near Washington Street and priest

2:29:37

drive for reports of a subject down. Prudhomme was declared

2:29:41

dead. The Tempe Police Criminal Investigation Bureau is

2:29:44

investigating, but do not suspect foul play. A Wells Fargo

2:29:48

employee exclusively spoke with 12 news but asked not to be

2:29:52

recorded or identified out of fear for their job. They say a

2:29:55

colleague found Prudhomme dead at her desk in a cubicle while

2:29:59

walking around the bill. On Tuesday, August, 20.

2:30:03

Adam Curry: If I can just make a programming note, this is a

2:30:07

really old story. John C Dvorak: No, it's not that. Yeah,

2:30:10

Adam Curry: it's weeks old. John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's been sitting around. You won't let me

2:30:14

play these things. What do Adam Curry: you mean? I have never forbidden you from In

2:30:18

fact, I had the clip myself for a couple shows, but it's like,

2:30:21

it's like, I just feel, I John C Dvorak: just think, it's a sad, sad story that needs to

2:30:25

be repeated. It's this poor woman. She goes to work for

2:30:28

days. Nobody calls in and say, Hey, where's Dad Becky or

2:30:31

anything? I mean, this is the typical, I don't know Wells

2:30:35

Fargo is, you Adam Curry: know, I have, I have this recurring nightmare where

2:30:41

it's, uh, it's a Thursday, and I'm waiting for you to come on

2:30:46

John C Dvorak: because I'm dead in my cubicle for days

2:30:50

Adam Curry: since Sunday, no one has checked on you. Yeah, well,

2:30:53

John C Dvorak: that doesn't happen, believe me, they're

2:30:56

always checking on you. Adam Curry: You sound rather irked about it. Yeah,

2:31:01

John C Dvorak: let's go to this. This is something we can both

2:31:04

talk about. FBI thwarts a one man riot. Breaking

2:31:09

Unknown: news, the Justice Department says a planned terror

2:31:12

attack in New York City has been thwarted. The suspect allegedly

2:31:16

wanted to target Jewish people on October 7, one year after the

2:31:20

attack in Israel, the suspect was quoted by the FBI as saying,

2:31:24

If we succeed with our plan, this would be the largest attack

2:31:28

on US soil since 911 CBS Nancy Cordes is at the White House

2:31:33

with new reporting. Good evening, Nancy, it is chilling

2:31:35

to read what this really is. Nora, and it took the FBI

2:31:41

working with Canadian law enforcement to identify and

2:31:44

apprehend the suspect, who is now accused of plotting to carry

2:31:48

out a mass shooting at a Jewish Center in Brooklyn, which

2:31:52

authorities say he wanted to do just over a month from today.

2:31:56

The suspect's name is Mohamed shahzab Khan. He is a 20 year

2:32:00

old Pakistani citizen who lived in Canada. He allegedly began

2:32:04

posting on social media in support of ISIS last November,

2:32:09

and eventually, without his knowledge, began communicating

2:32:12

with two undercover law enforcement officers. That's

2:32:17

what led them to him. According to Attorney General Merrick

2:32:20

Garland, the defendant, is alleged to have planned a

2:32:23

terrorist attack in New York City around October 7 of this

2:32:27

year, with the stated goal of slaughtering in the name of ISIS

2:32:31

as many as possible. October 7, of course, will mark one year

2:32:36

since the brutal surprise attack by Hamas on Israeli citizens

2:32:41

that left nearly 1200 people dead. Now, Khan was apprehended

2:32:45

just a couple of days ago in Quebec. It's believed he was

2:32:49

headed towards the US border. A resident in the area said she

2:32:53

saw police officers outside her home put a man in handcuffs on

2:32:57

her front lawn. He John C Dvorak: was headed south toward the US border. He was, he

2:33:02

was in Quebec, going to the Hortons that was south of the

2:33:06

city. He's heading toward the US border. This is the biggest six

2:33:11

week bogus story of the of the

2:33:13

Adam Curry: month, but it does have the international aspect,

2:33:16

which is an extra payment, as we learned. But if it's

2:33:19

international, then you get more money for thwarting this, this

2:33:24

attack. They threw in some isis that was good in, you know, big

2:33:29

ISIS, that's terrorism you get, I mean, this is a money maker.

2:33:33

This was a money making operation, the six week cycle,

2:33:36

the Ching now, there was a separate terrorism story which

2:33:42

came out this week, which has to do with telegram. And as you

2:33:47

know, I think Pavel is still under house arrest, the CEO of

2:33:51

the telegram app, and he has already said, Oh, all right,

2:33:56

we'll do more moderation. We'll do some moderation so that app

2:33:59

is now compromised. But wait, we have a little more. This

2:34:03

Unknown: apartment says it's uncovered a plot to incite a

2:34:06

race war, arresting suspects allegedly part of a white

2:34:09

supremacist group plotting attacks. 34 year old Dallas

2:34:12

humor and 37 year old Matthew Allison are facing more than a

2:34:15

dozen federal charges. According to the indictment, the group,

2:34:19

which refers to itself as terror grant, allegedly directed its

2:34:22

members to commit hate crimes against black people as well as

2:34:25

Jewish people, immigrants and members of the LGBTQ plus

2:34:29

community. The indictment also claims that the group plotted to

2:34:32

quote kill high value targets, including a U S senator, and

2:34:36

incited followers to carry out terror attacks around the world.

2:34:40

The John C Dvorak: threat of domestic terrorism is on the

2:34:43

rise inside the United States, and acts of violence carried out

2:34:47

by white supremacists is the single most lethal type of

2:34:51

domestic violence extremism that we see in the country

2:34:54

Adam Curry: right now. I'm sorry, what domestic white

2:34:57

supremacist terrorist attacks have we seen? Seen recently in

2:35:01

the country that being the most severe form of terrorism we see

2:35:05

right now. Can you recall any? No, well, they did. The

2:35:09

indictment Unknown: claims that Huber posted pictures at the 2016

2:35:13

Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida as an example of what

2:35:16

members could carry out. The two suspects are in contact with

2:35:20

white supremacist? No, Adam Curry: that was done by a jilted gay guy,

2:35:25

John C Dvorak: if I recall, or something like along those

2:35:27

lines. But it wasn't a white supremacist? No. But if you

2:35:30

listen to the parse it again, you have to back it up and parse

2:35:33

it because she never said it was done by a white supremacist to

2:35:36

say, play it. There's a little word as she uses in there, which

2:35:39

is very, very tricky at the end, at the end, not to be what she's

2:35:43

just said. It just back it up. 10 seconds before I interrupted,

2:35:46

the Unknown: indictment claims that Huber posted pictures of the

2:35:48

2016 Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida as an example of what

2:35:52

members could carry out, could carry

2:35:55

John C Dvorak: out, an example of what they could carry out,

2:35:58

not what they did carry out. No, of

2:36:00

Adam Curry: course not. They're John C Dvorak: just too schlub examples. You're right. This is

2:36:03

bold crap. Adam Curry: I'd be very careful on Mastodon if I were some

2:36:07

people, because if they're going after this on Telegram, they're

2:36:12

gonna go after all kinds of stuff, all kinds of salute.

2:36:15

Sure. They will. Hate crimes, pre crime. Oh, you said

2:36:19

something bad. You used words, it's no good. What are we coming

2:36:25

to? Since LGBT was brought up, I have a trans Maoist segment for

2:36:30

us. Had that for a while. I just dug it up. It's cute. My favorite

2:36:42

hate Listen, although this wasn't my favorite hate Listen,

2:36:45

per se, it was one of the subjects of my favorite hate

2:36:47

listen. In this case, Kara Swisher, your protege, was being

2:36:52

interviewed on the Jillian Michaels podcast.

2:36:56

John C Dvorak: Jillian Michaels, the lesbian bodybuilder,

2:36:59

Adam Curry: that's the one who also has a an African American

2:37:03

adopted child. And you know, it was a perfect it was a match

2:37:07

made in heaven. Unknown: These two on the podcast,

2:37:11

John C Dvorak: but sounds like an opportunity to flirt. Well,

2:37:16

the opposite Adam Curry: happened, and I am liking what Jillian Michaels did

2:37:21

to Kara Swisher. So we started off. They're talking about, of

2:37:25

course, with Kara, everything's political. And when it's

2:37:28

political, it's about those horrible Republicans. They're

2:37:31

horrible, and Trump, and Trump is like, horrible. They're no

2:37:35

good. They hate gay people, they hate trans children. And they're

2:37:39

talking about the laws being put in place by states to not allow

2:37:45

underage children to undergo transgender surgery and

2:37:50

therapies medical procedures, which I think you and I agree,

2:37:55

is kind of a good idea not to allow that, because it is pretty

2:37:59

much the definition of child abuse when you

2:38:04

John C Dvorak: put kids, or worse, yes, when

2:38:07

Adam Curry: you put kids on puberty blockers and all kinds

2:38:10

of stuff, that is, it's not good. It's not healthy, and

2:38:13

it's, quite frankly, it's demonic. So we start off with

2:38:17

Cara explaining what this Not really. Republicans don't care

2:38:22

about trans kids. What Unknown: happens is, whether you realize it or not, you're

2:38:26

becoming a weapon by they're trying. They didn't, they

2:38:31

weren't able to turn the bathroom issue. Remember a

2:38:33

couple of years ago, they were all worried about transgender

2:38:36

people going in and bothered exactly it didn't work. I've

2:38:40

always completely dismissed that argument. It didn't work, and so

2:38:44

they moved on to sports, which is a much more complex and

2:38:47

difficult issue, especially if you're a parent of a female

2:38:51

athlete, it's a big deal. These girls have worked so hard to get

2:38:54

to where they are, they shouldn't compete unfairly with

2:38:57

other people. So Correct. You have a problem with that

2:39:00

argument. I don't I because I don't. First of all, I think

2:39:03

it's much more complex, and we should all have a discussion

2:39:06

about it. Agree, I agree. Because the problem I have is

2:39:09

it's being used by the right who's pretending they're

2:39:11

concerned with girl athletes, when what they're really trying

2:39:14

to do is go after trans people in general. And honestly, the

2:39:18

reason they're going after trans people is because they're still

2:39:20

angry about what gay people have gotten, which is marriage,

2:39:23

adoption, full rights as citizens. This you're all over

2:39:28

here. They're aiming there's the most cynical people on earth.

2:39:32

They have never gotten over the loss of gay marriage. This is

2:39:35

what they're actually going for. And you're over here arguing

2:39:39

this. To me, the whole issues that's happened is this is a

2:39:43

group of people that want the government to they accuse the

2:39:46

left of doing things they're doing. You're right. But I think

2:39:50

vice versa, perhaps, but, but here's it should be a decision.

2:39:54

That should be a decision between parents, their doctors,

2:39:57

and parents. What. The children, well, mostly parents and the

2:40:01

doctors don't understand it all of this, oh, now they're stupid.

2:40:05

Like, so let's let the government decide.

2:40:08

Adam Curry: So I has this got my attention? Like, Oh, someone's

2:40:10

schooling. Kara Swisher, who then turns this around and says,

2:40:14

it's really because they hate gay people. This really because

2:40:18

they're still so mad that gay people can get married in

2:40:21

America, so which is, by the way, a state's issue. It's not

2:40:26

an American issue, it's federal issue. States can determine

2:40:29

that, and they're mad about that. So they don't really care

2:40:33

about kids. They just hate gay people. And then Jillian

2:40:37

Michaels comes in, kind of John C Dvorak: a weird projection, oh, because Thank

2:40:41

you. Unknown: Even. She Adam Curry: even said it. They're projecting. She even

2:40:45

said it. They do what they accuse others of. Now this Kara

2:40:48

Swisher is a horrible person. She really is, I just have to

2:40:52

say it. She's a stuck up, arrogant, horrible Democrat,

2:41:00

which puts her in the demon camp. And then Jillian Michaels,

2:41:05

very intelligently, comes out with information she has read

2:41:10

about W path and the cast review, which you first

2:41:14

introduced here to the show. And we know what the you know. Just

2:41:17

give us a brief rundown on the cast review, a

2:41:21

John C Dvorak: brief the cast review came out in England, and

2:41:24

it went through all the documents they could find, lots

2:41:27

of them, and a lot of studies, and said the idea of

2:41:29

transitioning kids is a bad idea and let them grow up, and then

2:41:33

they can transition when they're older. So

2:41:36

Adam Curry: Jillian Michaels brings this to the table, and

2:41:38

listen what Kara Swisher does

2:41:40

Unknown: have you reviewed the W puff files? Which one's the one

2:41:43

from England? No, no, that's the cast review. Okay, so the W puff

2:41:47

files was Michael schellenberger and me, I don't want to talk

2:41:50

about you. Don't like Michael. Adam Curry: Okay, oh, I don't want to talk about Michael

2:41:53

schellenberger. I can't talk I don't care. I just don't want to

2:41:57

talk about him. This is he's a journalist, a journalist. It

2:42:01

just is Michael. Unknown: I just can't talk about him because, you know,

2:42:04

he did the Twitter files, nevertheless actually inaccurate. So okay, but allow

2:42:09

it's Adam Curry: inaccurate, though it's inaccurate. She doesn't

2:42:11

even know what the cast review is, but it's actually

2:42:14

inaccurate, though actually Unknown: inaccurate. So okay, but a lot, but he did a data

2:42:18

dump, okay, so take his opinion out of it and look at the data.

2:42:24

Oh, Adam Curry: thank you. Jillian Michaels is doing some amazing

2:42:27

work here. Take your opinion out of it and look at the data. And

2:42:32

the Unknown: parents within this organization, right? So they've

2:42:36

leaked emails, text messages, video, right? They're

2:42:40

acknowledging. The experts within the WPATH are

2:42:44

acknowledging that the parents don't understand, and the kids

2:42:46

don't understand, the kids don't understand. They are sterilized.

2:42:51

They don't I think this is take I do not. I think the people

2:42:54

know what they're doing. There's, you know, it's really interesting, because I was just looking at Elon Musk is not

2:42:58

dumb, and he just said, I didn't understand. Ridiculous. He's

2:43:01

lying. Jillian, he's lying. Okay, wow,

2:43:05

is this good, right? It continues. He's lying, actually lying to you. Look at the Castro. This is the

2:43:10

most powerful, richest man on earth, and he's dumb. Give me a

2:43:13

break. Adam Curry: In other words, Elon Musk doesn't, didn't understand

2:43:18

that this transition would be puberty blockers, which change

2:43:23

all kinds of things in your child's body and brain, but he's

2:43:26

just dumb. Oh, really, Elon knew what he was doing, and it's

2:43:29

okay. So you think Unknown: he was foreign and then changed his mind. I don't, I

2:43:32

don't. I think he's a terrible parent who wasn't available to

2:43:35

his kids, and his daughter is speaking out because he's trying

2:43:38

to claim her near he's making up ridiculous gay tropes about her

2:43:42

saying, Oh, I knew he was gay because he said, fabulous lot.

2:43:46

Yes, daughter, who is now daughter, is saying this is not

2:43:50

true. He's using it for his whatever demented reason. This

2:43:55

man is doing it, but everything he says is untrue. Family

2:43:58

members have said it's untrue. So that's fair, and for him to

2:44:01

pretend he didn't know what was going on is here's a person who

2:44:04

tells you how smart he is every day of the week and twice on

2:44:07

Sunday, and here he's Adam Curry: dumb. So then Jillian Michaels comes with the

2:44:14

receipts, explains what the cast review actually contains from

2:44:19

the data they have collected, and schools Kara Swisher to a

2:44:24

very satisfying degree, within

2:44:26

Unknown: the cast review and within the WPATH files, the

2:44:30

parents have been told, if you don't support your child in this

2:44:33

they'll become suicidal. That is the narrative. So the parents

2:44:36

are like, Oh my God. Like, I don't want my child to become suicidal. I want them to think I

2:44:40

don't love them. And then the transitioning begins, the

2:44:45

medicalization piece begins, and that's the part that I

2:44:50

personally find, based on the cast review and the WPATH files

2:44:56

alarming, and it has some kids other kids face. Very much

2:45:00

should move down these roads. Do you understand that when you

2:45:03

block people? Yes, I do. You're impacting the development of

2:45:06

their brain. I do understand. So how is that okay? They should be

2:45:10

older. You and I are

2:45:15

here. That's correct. You know why they're weaponizing we're here together, yes, but

2:45:20

they're weaponizing it for something else, because they

2:45:23

Adam Curry: hate gay people. Go away. Kara Swisher, I can't

2:45:27

believe that Vox media allows her to still take a check from

2:45:30

them. It's she's really a horrible person, and then, and

2:45:35

then just say, well, they should be older. That was the whole

2:45:38

point of the conversation. I John C Dvorak: Well, that was a depressing series. I

2:45:46

Adam Curry: didn't think it was depressing at all. I thought it

2:45:49

John C Dvorak: was because you pointed out there's a person

2:45:52

that should have been a canceled cancel.

2:45:55

Adam Curry: I'm not for canceling anybody. John C Dvorak: But yet, there she is.

2:46:02

Adam Curry: I was just, it was just crazy.

2:46:04

John C Dvorak: Oh, by the way, I did want to play this at the beginning of the show, to play it now, because this is was 911

2:46:10

Adam Curry: Yes, today's 911 No, today's 912 but, yeah, but

2:46:14

John C Dvorak: the show was 911 but we were celebrating it.

2:46:17

Yeah, oh yeah. We said we celebrate. And I had a clip that

2:46:21

I wanted to remind people that on the on 910 the day before 911