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MUSIC Welcome

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to mysterious universe season 32 episode 10. Coming

0:55

up on the show, we've got the shadow glass

0:57

doorway. Home invading Vulcans

0:59

of Arizona and the Hobo

1:02

Wizards of the New York subway. I'm

1:04

your host, Benjamin Grundy. Joining me is Aaron Wright.

1:06

I heard you laughing about this today. What are

1:08

the Hobo Wizards and where are they from? Well,

1:10

you know the, you know, a Hobo. Course, yeah.

1:13

The smell, the look, the carrying

1:15

a million bags. They just, they've got

1:17

that crazy look in their eye. They're

1:20

peeing into that tiny crack on

1:23

the subway. This tiny crack. We

1:25

are all cognizant. We've all encountered them. And

1:27

we all pretend to check for change as

1:29

we walk past and then we go on

1:31

with our lives. Some of them are just

1:33

pretending to be a mentally ill homeless people.

1:36

Why would you do that? Some of

1:38

them are secret wizards with magical powers.

1:41

Well, some of them would like to believe

1:43

that they're secret wizards, magical powers. No, some

1:45

of them are legitimate, super

1:47

normal wizards with tremendous

1:49

powers. You will not believe. Do you

1:51

have any source to back this up?

1:54

It's from an ebook, Paranormal States, psychic

1:56

abilities in Buddhist convert communities. Oh, I

1:58

saw this come up. It's by

2:00

Douglas Oster who's written a bunch of books

2:03

on Buddhism over the years. And again, one

2:05

of those classic cases where he's

2:07

got all these childhood experiences I'll

2:10

go into. Yes. But one of

2:12

the experiences later in life is

2:14

coming across one of these very

2:16

mysterious hobo magicians. I'm

2:21

skeptical, but I'm sure you'll reveal all

2:23

later on the show. They appear to

2:25

be crazy, but they're actual spiritual masters.

2:29

Traversing the subway. It's

2:31

like the masters in the East, the wandering

2:34

master archetype. Oh, I

2:36

see. You know, like, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

2:38

they are, they're kind of like destitute or they're

2:40

vagabonds. They're vagrants. Vagabonds, they're wandering. They're wandering master.

2:42

But they bring wisdom. And it's the same, but

2:45

they're wandering from subway to subway. You know what?

2:47

When you think about it, though, if you apply

2:49

those sorts of ideals, I guess it's the same

2:51

kind of thing in a modern context. But lots

2:54

of interesting stuff coming up. Because of course, on

2:56

the last plus episode, I

2:58

covered that great book on shamanism in

3:00

Mongolia. And going on from that, this

3:03

stuff I'll be talking about later on in plus, a

3:06

bunch of similar stories, but mainly

3:08

from people who have come to Buddhism

3:11

later in life. And they're

3:13

interesting stories because many of them have very

3:16

diverse backgrounds. Like there's some Jamaican woman

3:18

getting involved who has all these crazy

3:20

experiences. There's Westerners, there's people from all

3:22

over the world. And

3:25

something seems to happen to some

3:27

people when they start this serious

3:30

meditation practice. Really

3:32

seems to be the key, although not all of

3:34

it, but part of this deep concentration. For

3:37

some people unlocks these really

3:39

wild experiences and abilities. Some

3:41

of these people are catalysts,

3:44

which is something that I'm going to be going into

3:46

on this show because you were talking about Mongolia. And

3:48

one of the things that kind of came to our

3:50

attention when we were doing that episode was

3:52

that Mongolia is high in metals and minerals.

3:55

It's got a very high copper content in

3:57

its soils. And we were wondering, is there

3:59

something at best? about that content

4:01

of metal and its soils, which contributes

4:03

to magnetic anomalies, because there was a

4:05

lot of supernatural events taking place that

4:07

have been witnessed by many people. It's

4:09

got a high concentration of not only

4:11

shamanism, but all the paranormal phenomena that's

4:13

associated with it. Well, it came from

4:15

the author we were covering who had

4:17

an out of body experience when he

4:19

was visiting Mongolia. Yes. And

4:21

he noticed as he's flying over the landscape,

4:23

as you hear from these OBEs, he

4:26

just said the amount of spirits

4:30

just hanging around was off the charts.

4:32

Like nothing he'd ever seen

4:34

before. And he'd had obviously out of

4:36

body experiences and spiritual experiences in the

4:39

US and the UK and in Western countries.

4:42

Not seen this level before, right? But for

4:44

some reason in Mongolia, it was insane. Yeah.

4:46

It was spirits everywhere. Yeah. And

4:49

yeah, we wondered why would that be the case? But

4:51

then you quickly looked it up. Like how

4:53

many rare metals are in Mongolia? And it's

4:56

one of the densest places in the

4:58

world. Yeah. So it's not

5:00

just copper, which is relatively common. It's also all these

5:02

other rare earth minerals. And I thought this is intriguing

5:04

because this seems to be a recurring theme that we

5:06

have with these window areas, these vortice areas around the

5:09

world where very strange paranormal

5:11

events take place. They're in locations

5:13

that have high concentrations of

5:15

metal. Magnetic anomalies. Magnetic anomalies,

5:18

right? And so some people have

5:20

suggested over the years that, well,

5:22

what's actually occurring here is that

5:24

the magnetic anomaly is somehow altering

5:26

people's brainwaves or it's influencing people

5:28

neurologically. And as a result, that's

5:31

why they're experiencing these things. And

5:33

perhaps it's a hallucination, a magnetically

5:35

induced hallucination, or it's

5:37

somehow changing the antenna, the

5:39

frequency of the antenna in their brain, allowing

5:41

them to be able to perceive all this

5:43

kind of stuff. And I

5:46

like those ideas. I think there's something to it. The

5:49

other factor that comes in is the

5:51

paranormal catalyst effect. And they seem to

5:54

be people that it's

5:56

different in the sense that they'll

5:58

have their own experience. They

6:00

can go into one of these areas, these areas that are known

6:02

to have a lot of phenomena. But

6:04

they'll go into this area and you'll have

6:06

people that have already been in this area

6:08

for a long time and nothing has happened

6:10

to them for decades. They've been just, yes,

6:12

it'll be an area that has a high

6:14

copper content or other mineral content, and there's

6:17

nothing, nothing at all. Then all of a

6:19

sudden someone will come along who seemingly is

6:21

psychically inclined that tends to be more the

6:23

case of what occurs. And they're just like

6:25

a nuclear bomb, a paranormal nuclear bomb going

6:27

off in these locations. And then all of

6:29

a sudden these people that have never

6:31

had experiences before start seeing UFOs, start

6:33

having, you know, weird humanoid figures showing

6:35

up in their homes. They start having

6:37

the most bizarre of experiences. Oh, so

6:40

it's spreading out beyond just these catalysts.

6:42

That's right. It's this person

6:44

seems to induce this. So it's not just

6:46

the person, the person individually can have minor

6:48

experiences, but it's the person combined with the location

6:50

that then radiates out and affects everyone else. I

6:53

thought you were talking about Bigfoot on this

6:55

episode. You've been talking about Bigfoot the last

6:57

couple of days. Now you're talking about something

6:59

else. Well, we will go into Bigfoot. And

7:01

where this all comes about is, of course,

7:03

we're going to be heading back to the

7:05

Bradshaw Ranch in Arizona, in Sedona, of all

7:07

places, because Sedona is one of these locations

7:09

that has like these red Hills. And the

7:11

reason why it has these red Hills and

7:13

canyons and they're, they're gloriously beautiful. But

7:16

they've got this high iron oxide

7:18

content. And of course, iron oxide

7:20

is suggested to have incredible effects

7:22

on magnetic fields. And so

7:24

is it because there's heaps of stories out there

7:27

of people experiencing very strange things. One

7:29

of the leading catalysts I'm going to be talking

7:31

about on today's show, of course, is Tom Dongo.

7:33

We know Tom Dongo's work extremely well. So I'm

7:35

not going to go into a lot

7:37

of his stuff in great detail, but rather, and

7:40

we will go back to a presentation of his

7:42

later on. Unseen beings, unseen

7:44

worlds, classic. This is,

7:46

we haven't really touched on this one before.

7:48

And this one, this is an outlier, right?

7:50

This has really nothing to do with what

7:52

happened to him in Sedona.

7:55

This is what happened to him

7:57

afterwards when he essentially set up

7:59

this meditation. or this meditation

8:01

group, and he was

8:03

besieged by what appears to be these

8:05

astral entities that started attacking his clients.

8:08

So I'll come back. I know I'll come back to that a

8:10

little bit later on. Did you know

8:12

that the Bradshaw Ranch was sold last year? I

8:14

do know. To the American government. What?

8:18

Yeah. So this is a

8:20

press release from November 2023. The

8:24

Icon Global was announcing that the

8:26

Bradshaw Ranch, owned

8:28

by NFL quarterback legend and host of

8:31

Fox TV NFL Sunday, Terry Bradshaw. Is

8:33

this the right, I don't think that's

8:35

the right. That's

8:37

not the right one. That's Oklahoma. That's not the

8:40

right one. But thanks for that. Yeah. No,

8:42

it was sold. It was sold to see me the big

8:45

bucks. Well, this will come up again. Well, I just Googled

8:47

it and Seager was the first link. And I thought that

8:49

must be something else. No, no. You

8:51

mean Seager Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic

8:53

the Hedgehog owns Bradshaw Ranch. Not the

8:55

gaming company. No, it was actually, this

8:57

is strange. So apparently the

8:59

American government convened

9:01

Congress to pay out, I

9:03

think it's like a $3.8 million price

9:06

for the ranch. And they use

9:08

it for climate change monitoring. Climate

9:10

change monitoring in inverted commas. Right. The

9:13

Southwest Experimental Garden Array. Seager. Seager.

9:17

Yeah. But it's not. Some

9:19

people believe that that's not the reason why

9:21

they've taken control of that ranch. Are you

9:23

going to be going into this graph on

9:26

soil description and the structure of the grain?

9:29

Pardon me. Yes. That's

9:32

what the entire show was going to be.

9:34

We're going to be talking about geology, geomorphology,

9:37

and the effect of soil. Plenty

9:40

of soil. No, it's not that at all. It's

9:42

about the experiences that people have had at this

9:44

location. But this all came about from a book,

9:47

a relatively new book that's come out called Window

9:50

Into the Unknown Encounters and Explorations

9:52

of Anomalous Phenomena in the Red

9:54

Rock Secret Mountain Wilderness. This is

9:56

by Antonio Rulan. Very,

9:59

very fascinating. book. I'll link to it in the show

10:01

notes. But essentially what Antonio has

10:03

done is that back in 1995, mid-90s, he

10:05

was deployed to this area with his company.

10:08

Was this the same? This is the same

10:10

area as the ranch? Absolutely the same area.

10:12

Yeah, yeah. Very like in the hotbed of

10:14

the area. So in 1995, he

10:17

was transferred to a job in El

10:19

Paso, Texas from San Francisco. And

10:21

he was very excited about heading into this

10:24

region. And he said it was his opportunity

10:26

to explore the southwest. And of

10:28

course, going there, he doesn't really

10:30

hint about any experiences he's had personally, but for

10:32

some reason, he's like, I picked up a couple

10:34

of books and these books were The Alien

10:37

Tied Mysteries of Sedona, book two

10:39

by Tom Dongo. He

10:41

picked up a collection of his books

10:43

looking at the bizarre experiences that have

10:46

happened in this location. And he says

10:48

Dongo's books seem like science fiction with

10:50

all sorts of extraordinary claims of UFO

10:53

sightings, encounters with aliens, underground military bases,

10:55

black helicopters and contact with ETs. And

10:58

he said that he put most of this

11:00

aside because obviously, I've

11:02

kind of had this approach to Tom Dongo in the past

11:04

as well is that when you read his books, his

11:07

books come across very differently to the

11:09

way he presents in person. I

11:11

guess that can happen to most of us. But

11:13

when you read Tom Dongo's book, it really is

11:16

like you've taken an overdose of either DMT or

11:18

LSD and the whole book is just like, ahh,

11:20

as you go through it. Looks like

11:22

he's very much into remote viewing these days. I'm just looking

11:24

at his website here. Is that him with the hot Linda

11:26

Howe? I think it is.

11:29

Yeah, it might be. But when you

11:31

watch his presentations, of which I've got a number of his videos

11:33

I want to play for you in a moment. He's

11:36

very calm, collected and describing

11:39

these experiences that he's had. But going

11:41

back to, you know, Antonio. So when he picked up these

11:44

books, he put the claims aside. He said

11:46

the Alien Tied book was a better source

11:48

for the locations. He wanted to find out

11:50

the location because this guy Antonio is a

11:52

hiker. He's an explorer. He wanted to

11:54

go into these locations to see what he could see. And

11:56

he said most of these canyons were northwest of Sedona. near

12:00

the secret mountain wilderness and secret mountain

12:02

seems to be the hotbed of this

12:04

activity right up until the mid-90s. Right?

12:07

So around the same time that he was

12:09

in that area. And in fact, he writes,

12:11

Dongho states, I have come to the conclusion

12:13

that whatever it is that is going on

12:15

is not centered in Boynton Canyon, as many

12:17

believe, the center of activity is farther to

12:19

the north on or near secret mountain. He

12:21

says if there is indeed some sort of

12:24

base, and this is what some people

12:26

have suggested that there's some sort of base, whether

12:28

it's military, hidden, alien, interdimensional,

12:30

who knows? He says, I

12:33

think secret mountain is where it is at. And

12:35

of course, that will become apparent when I play some music. Is that why it's

12:37

called secret mountain? No,

12:40

it's called secret mountain. But maybe, I mean,

12:42

let's choose a location for our top secret

12:44

base. I know secret mountain. Well, it is

12:46

like the whole, I don't really buy into

12:48

it, but the whole predictive programming thing where

12:50

they tell you what they're doing before they

12:52

actually do it. They're like, maybe you're right.

12:54

Maybe they've got a world to secret location.

12:57

So of course, he wanted to check out Sedona's anomalous

12:59

claims and he would visit secret mountain and camp up

13:02

there. He took some friends with him. One is George

13:04

L who comes up a few times in this book

13:06

and he wanted to backpack in there. He says George

13:08

was only there for the outdoor experience. He was,

13:10

he had no interest in the anomalies and he

13:12

wasn't even aware of the weird claims that were

13:14

associated with the location that they had chosen. But

13:16

he says, look, we got up there is around

13:19

8pm. He doesn't remember the exact

13:21

time, but almost instantaneously

13:23

and he calls this

13:25

chapter, it's like something along the lines of

13:27

the anomaly, like the, this is the initiator

13:29

of his experiences. He said, it's

13:32

like we noticed this bright red light moving erratically

13:34

on the desert rock outcrop in the distance. We

13:36

had a full moon and there was some illumination

13:39

on the desert landscape below us so we could

13:41

see the contours and the shapes of the rock

13:43

formations. And this light was

13:45

moving, but it seemed like this

13:47

red light wasn't just moving. It was dancing

13:50

on the rocks and it wasn't in

13:52

the rocks. It wasn't on the ground. It wasn't

13:54

being projected by something else. It was like an

13:57

orb of some kind that was moving

13:59

about. out in front of the

14:01

rock formation. So orb of light activity

14:04

in a mountain range. Tell

14:07

me what's unique about this. We have

14:09

stories about this phenomena in

14:11

literally every mountain range in the world. Absolutely

14:13

right. So you're totally right. I think this

14:15

is a good example of these are the

14:17

sorts of events that ease people in to

14:20

the phenomena. If you are out there, right?

14:22

And Tom Dongo describes this story of where

14:24

apparently it was called the oil rig event,

14:26

essentially a UFO the size of an oil

14:28

rig. It was described, showed up over Sedona,

14:30

did a few laps around the town and

14:32

then disappeared. And apparently numbers of

14:34

people didn't see it. It's like they just didn't they

14:37

didn't bother looking up. And he's like, people saw this

14:39

thing. It was just a create such an event. But

14:41

that's not really going to pull people in.

14:44

It's like it's so far beyond what is

14:46

reasonable, what is likely that for whatever reason,

14:48

there's this psychological effect where people dismiss it.

14:51

Whereas are these the lights like teasing

14:53

them, luring them, rather than just going

14:55

on doing its own thing. Exactly. So

14:57

he saw this and of course he

14:59

starts going through these thoughts

15:01

about, you know, well, this let's rationalize this, this

15:04

could be this and this could be this. And

15:06

he said, look, you know, two years later, he

15:08

returned. It's 1998. And he

15:10

thought that he would actually because it was so far in

15:12

the distance, he thought he would go and explore that rock

15:14

formation itself. And he goes up there solo. He

15:17

said it was a night of sky watching. And then

15:19

after dinner, he kind of headed up there. And

15:21

when he got up there, he said, you can see

15:24

planes flying over from the north from Phoenix and the

15:26

Mingus Mountains and there's just

15:28

strange things going on. But in

15:30

May of 1998, he visited Robbers

15:32

roost and he climbed up this rocky outcrop

15:34

where he thinks that light could have been

15:36

in this area in this region. And

15:39

he found a campfire ring, right? And

15:41

he's like, oh, it's the campfire

15:43

ring where the fire like where this light

15:46

must have been. But he's sure

15:48

that it wasn't because he's like the

15:50

campfire could emit this red

15:52

colored light, but it would not be moving

15:54

up and down this sheer rock face the

15:57

way that this was. And he said, maybe

15:59

this is a. presence of a shaman's cave,

16:01

which might be the evidence of a ritual,

16:03

which suggests that this location already had some

16:05

spiritual significance to it anyway. And

16:08

coincidentally, when he's looking through, he's like, well,

16:10

yeah, Tom Dongo saw exactly

16:12

the same thing. These elusive red fire lights.

16:14

So if you just go to the next

16:16

image that I've included there, Ben, this

16:19

is a photograph that was taken in 1997. Now,

16:22

look, I know if you're watching this, if

16:24

you're listening to this, all it really is is

16:26

you can see a hillside of rock, and you've

16:28

got essentially an orangey red light that's in the

16:31

distance. But obviously, there's no road there. So it's

16:33

not a road, it's not a car, it's probably

16:35

too bright to be someone with a flashlight. That's

16:37

right. So and it looks like it's taken in

16:40

the evening. So it's not necessarily the sun

16:42

reflecting, unless it's like the setting sun reflecting

16:44

off his lens. Maybe it could be

16:46

lens flare, there's a possibility that that could be occurring.

16:48

But they insist that that's not the case. And in

16:50

fact, Dongo writes in the early spring of 1977, there

16:53

were many stories of campers or

16:56

UFO buffs seeing a strange red

16:58

light flying around or sitting stationary

17:00

out in the desert right in

17:02

this region of Red Canyon and Kasner Mountain.

17:04

So he's like, I spent time up there

17:06

and I photographed it myself. It looked like

17:09

a spherical bonfire in the sky. It had

17:11

more brilliant reds and yellows than a campfire

17:13

would. And he got a satisfactory photograph of

17:15

this at around 10pm over

17:17

a dome rock known as Robbers Roost.

17:20

So this is like,

17:22

it's not overly compelling, but

17:25

it's consistent with what was experienced by

17:27

Antonio. So of course, for him, this

17:29

was like the anomaly. There

17:31

is something strange going on in this area. So

17:34

he wanted to dig deeper. So

17:36

he says, as he continues looking through Dongo's

17:38

work, of course, he immediately is drawn to

17:40

the Bradshaw Ranch. And he

17:42

says in 1995, Tom Dongo and Bradshaw published

17:45

their book, Merging Dimensions, another book which I'll

17:47

link to in the show, in

17:49

the show notes. But essentially it introduced Bradshaw Ranch

17:51

to the rest of the world, of all the

17:53

anomalous experiences that were going on. But

17:56

what really stands out here, and I'm going to play

17:58

you just a little video. video

18:00

comes from a 1996 episode

18:03

of the Paranormal Borderline. This is

18:05

Bob Bradshaw. Bob Bradshaw had lived

18:07

in this location on this ranch

18:09

for decades and had experienced nothing

18:12

until Linda, the catalyst, showed up.

18:16

I've been in this country for 50 years

18:19

and I finally saw something that

18:23

proved that there was UFOs and

18:25

spaceships. We

18:27

saw this spaceship almost

18:30

immediately, 40 or 50 balls

18:33

of light came

18:35

fast. They were traveling fast down

18:38

that hillside and right into the

18:40

ranch. It was really

18:43

a spectacular thing to see. Why

18:45

does he assume it's a spaceship? Because

18:48

it essentially looked like a saucer dropping

18:50

balls. Also, of course, he's

18:52

got Linda Bradshaw, his wife, who is

18:55

saying all this stuff is occurring.

18:57

She was seeing a lot more strange things.

18:59

Now Linda, we find out from Tongo's work

19:02

and of course working directly with Linda

19:04

that she'd previously had psychic experiences when

19:06

she was younger, but nothing to this

19:08

level, nothing on this level before.

19:12

Of course, in their

19:14

work, Linda describes them hearing

19:16

things like orbs, portals, bigfoots,

19:18

aliens, even dinosaurs. In addition

19:20

to Linda hearing all sorts

19:22

of anomalous sounds including hissing,

19:24

glass shattering, growls,

19:26

I'm sorry, and odd smells. All these

19:28

things that come up and are important

19:30

later on. Antonio was amazed

19:33

but incredulous about these claims, but nonetheless,

19:35

he actually wanted to go and visit

19:37

the area and see for himself what

19:39

could be going on. Now, just before we

19:42

jump into that, I just want to play

19:44

you a couple more videos from this documentary

19:46

or this television show just to set up

19:48

what's going on because back in the mid-90s

19:50

when Tom Dongo was hearing about this stuff,

19:52

this television program actually went out with a

19:54

film crew to see if they could capture

19:56

something on film. And they did. This

19:59

green light that you see in a moment is actual

20:01

footage of what they caught one night and was monitored

20:03

by Tom Dongo. Tom Dongo says

20:05

they are familiar visitors to the ranch and

20:07

can be seen almost nightly. Well, that's that's

20:09

one of them. Now, it'll probably

20:11

blink out in a second, but notice

20:14

it's almost it's almost not moving and

20:16

it's going to get it'll get dimmer and

20:18

brighter and dimmer and brighter. Very,

20:20

very odd phenomena. It's

20:26

interesting how similar this is to what

20:28

we've been discussing recently with the link

20:30

to demonic activity. You know, you mentioned

20:32

the color of the lights. You mentioned,

20:34

well, you mentioned that their ranch is

20:36

having all this other poltergeist like activity.

20:38

And what are we seeing here? We're

20:40

seeing them going out and seeking this

20:42

activity. All these people gathering together, sending

20:45

their intention up. And what do you

20:47

know, these lights show up in the sky. Yeah. And

20:50

that's what Dongo ultimately ends up doing. Like there's this

20:52

and I've got another person come. I don't think he

20:54

does it directly. I don't think he's intentionally calling out

20:56

to it. But he himself describes

20:58

in the presentation that I'll play for you later

21:00

on that he himself feels very similar

21:02

to Linda in the sense that he's a catalyst for

21:05

this kind of phenomena. And with this, you know, when

21:07

they've gone out to this site, it

21:09

seems like a film crew, they've got collections

21:11

of people. It seems to exacerbate the activity

21:13

that's taking place. It seems to

21:16

center around a certain homestead

21:18

for whatever reason. And there's no exact answer

21:20

as to why that's occurring. But there's definitely

21:22

something going on here. So going

21:24

back to Antonio, he says, well, you know,

21:27

based on conversations with Tom, it appears that

21:29

the Bradshaw family initially weren't keen on Linda's

21:31

claims. Like they were like, not really sure.

21:33

But of course, by the time the second

21:35

book came around, it was quite obvious

21:37

that there was a huge

21:39

amount of activity that was taking place in

21:42

all kinds. And it seems like not only

21:44

Bob Bradshaw got dragged into this, her

21:47

son Victor got dragged into this as

21:49

well. And later on, Linda starts

21:51

publishing her own book called Dimensional Journey,

21:53

where she describes all the intuitive experiences

21:55

she herself had had before she'd gone

21:58

to this area. So

22:00

the question is, did she bring it with her? Or

22:03

is it amplified because you've already

22:05

got this spiritual location perhaps because

22:07

of the geomagnetic properties of that

22:09

region? I just remember being so

22:11

frustrated reading her books because a

22:13

lot of it was

22:16

her interpretations of what was essentially

22:18

orbs and light activity. So

22:21

you would hear her describe all the beings

22:23

are coming in and they're light beings from

22:25

here and the communicating this and that. And

22:27

then you'd look at what she provides and

22:30

it was just like maybe a

22:32

light next to a tree. And look,

22:34

a lot of that comes up even

22:36

in Tom Dongo's presentation, but some of

22:38

it is clearer. And so in these

22:41

videos I'm going to show you which include photographs

22:43

that he's had blown up and really focused in

22:45

on, it seems to be a little

22:48

bit more solid, if

22:50

you will. It seemed to be a little bit more less

22:52

ambiguous. It's not just some kind of misty

22:55

cloud in the distance. Although all these things

22:57

started to happen to Antonio. These

22:59

unique geomagnetic properties of the ranch

23:01

seem to interact with people's consciousness

23:04

that causes an increase in the

23:06

phenomena that people are experiencing. But

23:08

over the years, Antonio says, I've

23:10

learned that the phenomena is random,

23:12

it's transient, and it's exceedingly difficult or

23:14

indeed impossible to predict. And that's something

23:16

that I agree with. Like you can

23:18

have haunted homes that people go into

23:20

expecting to experience something and they experience

23:22

nothing at all. And yet you

23:24

have someone who goes into the same

23:26

location who has no interest in experiencing

23:28

something and they wake up with a

23:30

strange vibrating green slime Christmas tree shaped

23:32

object next to them. True story that

23:34

actually happened in one of these stories.

23:37

So in all these experiences, like this

23:39

has been going on, but he says in my 28 years

23:41

of looking at these trips and

23:43

going to these locations, I've never experienced anything

23:45

until he saw those orbs. These orbs really

23:47

did change things. So he said

23:49

we changed our tactics and started visiting Bradshaw Hill.

23:52

And you know, most of their visits were during the

23:54

night. Obviously, he's trying to see if they could catch

23:57

light phenomena. He brought in people

23:59

from Mufon groups. people started

24:01

joining him and they would get

24:03

some anomalous light phenomena that would be

24:05

seen towards the southeast, he writes, but

24:08

nothing that was that significant

24:11

until a little bit later when strange

24:13

things did start happening and he says on

24:15

one particular night, it was the third night

24:17

when they're in one of these locations they

24:19

had FLIR, monoculars, night vision, all this kind

24:21

of stuff, he said we had

24:23

a spectacular observation. We saw four to

24:25

five bright lights off in the distance.

24:29

It was west of Jerome and they were

24:31

forming a diagonal line. Now he watched these

24:33

things and it was actually up in the

24:35

sky like a train of some kind. Like

24:37

it was a full-on formation which they were

24:39

all able to witness. This is something which

24:41

was just truly shocking to

24:43

them. Unfortunately they didn't seem to record it

24:45

but this was something that pushed him to

24:47

the next level of there there is something

24:49

strange occurring here. So skipping forward

24:51

to October of 2002 he

24:53

said we had a loud scary and anomalous sound

24:56

experience near the broken arrow trailhead that goes towards

24:58

submarine rock. He says when I was out with

25:00

Larry we were sky watching on a red rock

25:02

formation around the trail which is no more than

25:04

a thousand feet from broken arrow

25:07

trailhead and

25:09

we heard this continuous sound like a

25:12

bulldozer approaching. It was like it was

25:14

crashing through the bushes and coming

25:16

at us from the north. Now they weren't exactly

25:18

sure what it is and there was no road

25:20

there. There was no road for anything to get

25:22

through and yet they're expecting this thing. Now as

25:24

they jumped up and approached it the sound suddenly

25:26

ceased and of course in the morning they go

25:28

to inspect it there's nothing there. There's

25:31

nothing in the dirt. There's nothing whatsoever. So what

25:33

was this sound? What was what was creating this?

25:35

They weren't entirely sure but again you go back

25:37

and you look at Tom Dong goes work. You

25:39

look at Linda Bradshaw's work.

25:42

She's describing these anomalous sounds these

25:44

weird experiences that people have. So

25:48

the next thing that comes up is he says

25:50

look when I looked at that that paranormal borderline

25:52

TV show. There was this other

25:54

element that really started to add something more

25:56

to this and just simply being UFOs anomalous

25:59

lights that those sorts of things. It

26:01

was the interdimensional doorway phenomenon that

26:03

seemed to be occurring. This

26:06

fits in with these humanoids that apparently

26:09

started showing up, and this included Bigfoots.

26:11

Apparently there were Bigfoot-style creatures that were

26:14

showing up, and even though they would

26:16

materialize, they seemingly would walk through things.

26:19

When they would go and they'd find a

26:21

footprint, for example, one of the footprints they

26:23

found was on this relatively hard soil. Now,

26:25

when a human or when a man, a full-grown man,

26:27

stood in that soil, it hardly made an impression. But

26:29

the impression of the Bigfoot, which was about 13 inches,

26:31

14 inches,

26:34

it made an impression which they said they estimated

26:36

to be consistent with an 800-pound figure.

26:39

My God. Which is almost beyond

26:41

what a unit. Yeah, this thing was

26:43

absolutely massive. These things were physically manifesting,

26:45

but then dematerializing at the

26:48

same time and leaving these things. What were

26:50

these things doing? But for Linda, she takes

26:52

a photograph, because this is what she started

26:54

doing. So much of this activity was taking place

26:56

that she had run around the ranch with her camera.

26:58

It's back when it was just film cameras. And she'd

27:01

just take photograph after photograph after photograph until

27:03

one day she took a photograph which

27:05

revealed something that was absolutely

27:08

not what she thought she was taking a photograph of.

27:10

Can you play? We'll come back to that in a

27:12

second. Just play video number three. Oh, it's a video.

27:14

It's a video, yeah. Number three, all

27:16

right. Linda shot a strange photograph that appeared

27:18

to her to be an enormous movie screen

27:20

in the sky. A huge, brilliant light

27:23

showed up in the sky. It was

27:25

rectangular. I got two frames before it

27:27

flicked back out again. All

27:30

I could see with my eye was the light. But

27:32

when I picked up the photograph,

27:36

there was a picture

27:38

of another place. It showed

27:40

a ship flying through the air, telephone

27:43

pole. There are no telephone poles here. It almost

27:45

looks like it might be on the shore of

27:47

an ocean. And there was a humanoid in the

27:50

far left corner. We feel that

27:52

this is indicative of showing us

27:55

that there is another dimension right here. Now,

27:58

what a great way to emphasise what you just said

28:00

about some of the frustrations that you had with

28:02

her work. Now, maybe it's because this is converted from

28:04

an old VHS tape. I couldn't

28:06

see any human in that image. Where's the

28:08

humanoid? But what I absolutely could see was

28:11

that there appears to be this power line,

28:13

like a post of

28:15

some kind. It's telegraph. It's

28:17

other dimensions with alien humanoids, but they still use

28:20

telegraph. Yes, it's really

28:22

strange. It's a telegraph post

28:24

with what appears to be a saucer-shaped UFO

28:26

flying over the top. It's this

28:28

water kind of scene before them. Well,

28:30

it looks like the watermark of the

28:32

documentary is over the top of the

28:34

humanoid. Yeah, maybe. I don't even see

28:37

it. Maybe there's

28:39

a head there and shoulders perhaps,

28:41

but that I can't see.

28:43

I don't necessarily see that. We've examined

28:45

the pixels and it's real. I'm not

28:47

entirely sure about that. But

28:49

of course, all this stuff really grabbed

28:52

the attention of Antonia going many years

28:54

later. In

28:56

2012, the Southwest Experimental Garden Array,

28:58

or the Sega Project, got

29:00

a special use permit for the National Forest

29:02

Service to set up a 20-year program to

29:04

study long-term climate change at

29:06

the Bradshaw site. It's interesting

29:08

though. That would be the perfect cover. Of

29:11

course it would be. For some other program. Of

29:13

course it would be. For some other observation. Of

29:15

course it is, yeah. It's like, oh no, we're

29:17

monitoring the effects of climate change at

29:19

one of the hotspots of

29:21

paranormal and UFO activity. Especially

29:24

when you've also recently had people looking

29:26

at Skinwalker Ranch. It's very

29:29

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29:31

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30:05

So Antonio writes, this is the gates

30:07

of weirdness suddenly opening. And in

30:09

2011, he and Larry planned another expedition

30:11

to Sedona, targeting several places where anomalous

30:13

activity had been taking place. This

30:16

includes, of course, Submarine Rock, Robbers

30:18

Roost, and the Bradshaw Ranch. And of course,

30:21

he said, we went out there, we spent

30:23

six or seven days. They took Ryan Skinner

30:25

with them, or he was invited from the

30:27

Skimwalker Ranch research. And they

30:29

were checking out this place, they carried walkie talkies with

30:31

them. And which isn't

30:34

really the reason why I raised that is

30:36

because it was like later on, they realised

30:38

that the phenomenon, whatever it is, was playing

30:40

games with them. I mean, what you're describing

30:42

is exactly what we saw Ursula Beals you

30:44

describe in The Devil in Dreamland just a

30:47

few weeks ago. Oh, there are striking similarities.

30:49

This initial activity occurs and it garners

30:51

the interest of an observer who

30:53

then brings more people in. That's

30:55

right. Which seems to,

30:58

it's not like the

31:00

original activity was demonic

31:03

as Ursula might argue, but she does

31:05

say that it doesn't start off that

31:08

way necessarily, but this extra attention draws

31:10

all these other demonic entities.

31:12

That was her argument. I hadn't thought of

31:14

it that way today, to be honest with

31:16

you. I had thought about along those lines,

31:18

I don't necessarily feel that this is that

31:20

effect, which is occurring, I think. But you're

31:22

talking about all this poltergeist-like activity going on

31:24

at the Bradshaw Ranch. To

31:27

me, that indicates that's the very nature of

31:29

this phenomenon. Perhaps, perhaps. But

31:31

it changed, right? I'll

31:33

go into that in a moment, but it seems like at

31:36

the very least, the UFO activity

31:38

around some

31:40

of these canyon areas abruptly ceased in 1996

31:43

when there was a huge unexplained fire

31:45

in this region. Did

31:47

that somehow alter the environment? Is

31:52

that what it did? I didn't think it would be

31:54

able to alter the geomagnetic properties of the area, but

31:56

perhaps it did. Smoked out all the

31:58

ghosts. Kind of. Yeah, yeah. Or

32:00

if there is some base or something going on

32:02

there that it was deliberately set on

32:04

fire and to remove evidence of it. I don't know, but

32:06

we'll come back to that. But

32:09

of course, Antonio says, look, according to Tom

32:11

Dongo and Linda Bradshaw, there's this juniper tree,

32:13

which was split by lightning right

32:16

on the ranch. And apparently this is a hotspot for

32:18

being a portal location. So he's like, I wanted to

32:20

go go here. And he says, I was sitting slightly

32:22

uphill from this windmill. There was this large windmill. He

32:25

says, I saw suddenly the windmill blades

32:28

go from no motion to spinning an

32:30

extremely high rate of speed and making

32:32

this loud noise that was heard by

32:35

another member of their team. And

32:37

then it just came to a sudden full stop. And I

32:39

was like, there was no wind. The

32:41

windmill blades never moved again for the rest of

32:43

the evening. None of

32:45

this is making sense. So again, the poltergeist, do

32:48

you like? But having the phenomenon. Yeah.

32:50

But having the ability to to affect something

32:53

that which is considerably larger than, you know,

32:55

normal poltergeist kind of activity. He

32:57

said then around 8 30 p.m., I heard this

32:59

loud hissing sound that appeared to come from my right.

33:02

He said, I spun around and of course

33:04

there was no one there. He then got

33:06

a walkie talkie call from Larry saying that

33:08

he was hearing this loud, strange hissing noise.

33:10

And this is what Linda had been describing

33:12

over the years, these hissing noises, these glass

33:14

shattering noises. None of it makes sense. But

33:17

he says Larry's position was diagonally 750 feet away

33:19

from me. And

33:22

he's like, the sound didn't come

33:24

from around us, but it was

33:26

coming from near us, but they couldn't

33:28

work out what it was. And he said, how

33:30

could the same creature traverse that distance to

33:33

spook us both that quickly? Is

33:35

this some type of effect which is going on

33:37

at this particular location? And we're

33:39

not entirely sure. But he says on the second night

33:41

of visiting the Bradshaw Ranch, this is back once again

33:44

in 2011, they took various positions around

33:47

the ruins site because it's all run

33:49

down and dilapidated now, obviously. He

33:51

says there was small details that I don't really see

33:53

as being a big deal, but he was like, oh,

33:56

I ran up this hill and there was this ferry

33:58

ring right where some of this activity being. taking

34:00

place and maybe you can read

34:02

into that of like the the fafolk kind

34:04

of stuff. But for me, and he says

34:06

it's like it's perhaps a coincidence, but there

34:09

was an orange orb seen the night before

34:11

in that very location. And it just so

34:13

happens that that Western hill was called Fairy

34:15

Hill. So again, what's in her name,

34:17

you know, what's what's happening with this stuff, he

34:19

says, but then around nine or 10 p.m., I

34:21

saw this white glow all around the base of

34:24

Bear Mountain or the Bear Mountain Range. It consisted

34:26

of four rectangular blocks with a white

34:28

glow. These things are back

34:30

this thing. It wasn't flashing. It had

34:32

gaps between it. This large train like

34:34

structure which was moving across the land.

34:38

He called Ryan one of their team via the

34:40

walkie talkie and he confirmed that he was seeing

34:42

exactly the same thing. Train

34:44

like structure. Yeah, lights linked together. It's

34:46

just lights but like rectangular lights. So

34:49

not like it's just a light. It's

34:51

like four rectangular boxes with

34:53

a equidistant space between each of them

34:55

just floating in front of this mountain

34:57

range before them. Like gigantic

34:59

UFOs essentially. But are

35:02

they actually craft? I don't know. And

35:04

he doesn't know either. And what he says that

35:06

later on he tried to draw it to recall

35:09

it and he recalled like it was four. But

35:11

I think Ryan recalled that it was five something

35:13

like there was this there were these discrepancies in

35:15

what they saw. Because it brings to mind Lou

35:18

Elizondo's work, which we covered recently. And he described

35:20

the idea of these equidistant. That's

35:23

a good point, which I hadn't considered. What was it? The

35:26

gravity wave generators. Yes. The

35:28

configuration of the craft that used

35:30

this technology that supposedly how put offers

35:33

said could be behind UFOs. Well, you

35:35

would space it out in a straight

35:37

line. Yeah. And have these generators

35:39

equidistant from each other. Maybe that's one

35:41

possibility. But that's why I'm

35:44

asking have they actually seen the craft?

35:46

No, it's metal is there windows? It's

35:48

just lights. But it's not just

35:50

lights. It's squares. Like when you see a light flying,

35:52

if like I was to stand on a hill and

35:55

hold a torch, you would see a circle with kind

35:57

of rays coming out of it. This was perfect squares

35:59

or rectangles. them, sorry, perfectly, you know, edged

36:01

rectangles that are all floating. And he

36:04

says, though, what's strange, this bizarre aspect

36:06

of this siding is that neither Ryan

36:08

nor I remember how long the siding

36:10

ended or how long it lasted. He's

36:13

just got like this weird feeling

36:16

about it. And he says, all I kind

36:18

of recall is that somehow the night's guy

36:20

went back to normal and they slowly, I'm

36:22

not entirely sure, but perhaps they faded away

36:24

into the darkness, you know, it may have been

36:27

15 minutes. It could have been five

36:29

minutes. He doesn't know. So there's this effect that's kicking

36:31

in that's influencing people's cognition. Then

36:33

he went home and his lights were flickering

36:35

on and off and some shadow was standing

36:38

at the foot of his bed. Maybe that's

36:40

all, you know, it deepens. Maybe

36:44

that's, I don't necessarily think that's the case. He

36:47

does say though, that both of them around that

36:49

time, around 10 PM from his position on Ferry

36:51

Hill, he heard the

36:53

sound of flapping, heavy flapping wings.

36:57

Oh my God. That's flying close to here.

36:59

Truly a gargoyle, but he did not see

37:01

it. There's a, there's a demonic gargoyle hovering

37:03

over his home. And then roughly 45 minutes

37:05

later, Ryan calls him to say that there

37:07

were weird noises and a light approaching him.

37:10

He felt that it was a non-human entity.

37:12

He called Larry and I and the walkie talkies to meet

37:14

him at the location of the ruins site. It's

37:16

not human. It's not human. He kept on saying

37:19

hello. I'm

37:24

not saying it's demons. I'm not going there

37:26

just yet. Right. Apparently they did

37:28

see though, that there was this low lying

37:30

bluish colored fog bank around 75 feet away

37:32

from them. But as soon as they tried

37:35

to approach it, it kept moving away and

37:37

then just dissipated. So again,

37:39

you know, you hear of these paranormal folks coming

37:41

up in these locations. There

37:43

is something odd. There's nothing that's exactly

37:47

necessarily anything that they can pin down. Right. He

37:49

does say he's like around 11 30 to midnight.

37:52

He says this Ruby red dot just shows up

37:54

on the midsection of the windmill. And it just

37:56

is kind of moving around and then

37:58

disappears. He said it was. as if someone was

38:00

shining a laser beam on it, but obviously there was

38:02

no one else there. So it's literally like teasing a

38:04

cat with a laser. Yeah, it's like a cat, yeah.

38:07

But they're doing it to humans. They're doing it to

38:09

humans, right? So this does, a lot of this does

38:11

feel like it's a game. Like, it's like a game

38:13

that they're playing. But this is

38:15

where something else happens. And this is

38:17

what Linda had also described. He says,

38:19

around midnight, while I was at this

38:21

windmill site, I suddenly hear this noise

38:23

coming from the ranch house. It sounded

38:26

like someone had gone wild inside. They

38:28

were kicking furniture. They were shattering hundreds

38:30

of glass bottles inside the house. They were just

38:32

ripping the place apart. But

38:34

he's like, no one was supposed to be there.

38:36

And we'd all agreed not to go into the

38:38

homestead. And why, even if you did, would you

38:40

go and smash these things? So of course, they

38:42

go in, they run inside, and they inspect inside

38:44

the house. There's nothing. There's no

38:47

shattered glass. There's no bottles on the floor.

38:49

There's no critters inside the house. The place

38:51

was completely devoid of anything that could have

38:53

caused this loud glass shattering sound. But

38:56

they look into merging dimensions, the book, Merging

38:58

Dimensions. And Linda describes this glass shattering noise.

39:00

She writes, my husband and I were sitting

39:02

in the kitchen having lunch when all of

39:04

a sudden we heard what sounded like a

39:06

huge sheet of plate glass shattering. It was

39:08

as if it were right next to us.

39:10

We both jumped at the same time. I

39:13

searched inside out and could not find one

39:15

piece of broken glass anywhere.

39:17

He says later on, he says, well,

39:19

I recall, you know, in my research

39:21

and reading books, the jean are associated

39:23

with the sound of shattering glass when

39:26

they're opening a portal from their reality to

39:28

ours. Again, it's just all the same umbrella.

39:30

It's all poltergeist type activity. It's all haunting.

39:33

It's all kind of heading towards

39:35

the low level demonic side

39:37

of the activity. Yes, but even

39:40

so, there still is a physicality to it.

39:42

They are entering into our space. And it's

39:44

like lightning, sorry, thunder, right? Like when air

39:47

rushes in, it creates the sound. It's

39:49

like when you create this, I don't

39:52

know, portal into our reality, it

39:54

creates this shattering glass sound. Now,

39:56

were they leaving? Were they there playing with

39:58

them that shattering glass sound? they heard was

40:00

these entities perhaps leaving as opposed to approaching

40:03

because it seems like the activity died down

40:05

after that. But he says we're

40:07

firmly convinced, I get from here,

40:09

that there's something strange. There's anomalous

40:11

activity, but from that point no other

40:13

anomalous activities occurred overnight. And this research

40:16

trip he writes confirms that many of

40:18

the claims of Linda Bradshaw and Tom

40:20

Dongo, the experience has also confirmed that

40:22

the anomalous activity was not dead and

40:25

was independent of Linda's presence. We

40:27

now knew that Bradshaw Ranch should remain

40:29

the focus. So this is important. This

40:32

is why I highlighted this because what's

40:34

happened is that's where we start crossing

40:36

into what you were describing from Ursula's

40:38

work before, is that Linda's come to

40:40

this location and all this activity has

40:43

taken place, right? And all these people have

40:45

come and you've had television programs and you've

40:47

had researchers and you've had leaders in the

40:49

field come and check it out. It's all

40:51

died down, Linda's moved away, yet

40:54

these people researchers have come back to look at

40:56

it and what happens? They experience the same phenomena.

40:58

It all amps up again. It all amps up

41:00

again. So then he goes into this chapter and

41:02

just looking at time. So I won't go into

41:04

this in great detail. This book I'll link to

41:06

so you can go read it. He basically describes

41:08

that he sees a Bigfoot,

41:11

right? I don't think he's expecting to see

41:13

a Bigfoot. He says he goes into Sycamore

41:15

Canyon, which is the second largest canyon in

41:17

Arizona. This is Antonio. This is Antonio. This

41:19

is located to the west of Sedona. How

41:22

close is he? He's not very close, but

41:24

he's close enough that he hikes down to

41:26

the Sycamore Canyon via the Dogi Trail. He

41:29

said neither Larry nor Ryan wanted to hike down with

41:31

them. Basically, he's just going through

41:33

all the kind of the minutia of where he

41:35

walks. There's maps of what he does. It's great

41:38

from that sense and he includes a lot of

41:40

information, which is if you really do want to

41:42

drill down deep into it, unlock for

41:44

the purpose of the show. But he says it was

41:46

around 5.18pm in the afternoon. He was lying

41:53

down. He wasn't sleeping when he suddenly heard

41:55

this crashing sound like trees being broken or

41:57

something being beaten up in the bush by

41:59

a large animal, he quickly sits up

42:01

and looks and he says he can

42:03

look to the south and he sees

42:05

this figure behind this bushy tree peeking

42:07

at him. He says, I detected it because

42:10

I saw its large, furry black hand

42:12

that was moving the branch down, trying

42:14

to like to... Really? Or help

42:16

to have a look at him. And

42:18

he's like... So they couldn't see anything else, just

42:20

the hand. He said, I couldn't see its face or body because

42:23

it was behind this tree, but I opened the mesh door of

42:25

my tent to peer out to get a better look. And I

42:27

yelled, who's out there? At that moment, that

42:29

creature stepped out from behind the tree and walked into

42:31

the open. And he's like, there, I could

42:33

see it. And he said it

42:35

was definitely some type of bipedal human-like

42:37

creature that bent at its elbows and

42:39

knees. But after seeing this, he said

42:42

he ran into his tent in shock. He said he got

42:44

this sick feeling to his stomach. He felt like he was

42:46

in deep trouble and he didn't know what to do because

42:48

there's no... He might have his GPS, but

42:50

there's no way to communicate. There's no way of getting out

42:52

there. He said, regardless of what this creature

42:54

was, I felt that I was in danger, that it

42:56

might later come to get my food or attack my

42:58

tent. He said, I had no energy to

43:00

backpack out of there. So he basically spent all night worrying

43:02

in his tent worrying about whether this thing was going to

43:04

come back. Demon Bigfoot,

43:06

possibly. Yes, you have just put up, if

43:09

you're listing a picture of Succolos with Demon

43:11

Bigfoot under it. Maybe,

43:13

maybe. I mean, there's the

43:15

other possibility here that you can't rule out with

43:17

these sort of things that... And I'm not disparaging

43:19

Antonio in any way at all. But

43:22

he's read a lot of this stuff, right? He's

43:24

read all the books. He's in that location. He's

43:26

isolated. He's by himself. The

43:28

mind can play tricks. I'm not saying it does,

43:30

but it can. It's a pretty severe trick to

43:32

see a giant hairy creature step out from behind

43:34

a tree. Right. And then he goes... And he

43:37

does actually something which I think is a good

43:39

idea, right? He goes to the BFRO website and

43:41

he starts looking around and he finds that not

43:43

less than within 35 days

43:45

of his sighting, only 26 miles

43:48

from where he was, there was a Class B

43:50

Bigfoot report that was recorded in the database. Oh,

43:52

really? It's like, is

43:54

it a coincidence? Does it suggest that there

43:56

is something that's around here? Maybe.

44:00

is this weird light poltergeist-like activity and

44:02

then Bigfoot shows up in the wilderness.

44:04

Oh, I'm convinced a lot of this

44:06

is the Bigfoot-like creatures that come about.

44:08

But then of course we have the

44:10

ghost car incident, right? And of course,

44:12

it sounds very spoopy and cliche I

44:15

know. However, if it was just

44:17

a singular individual, like what happened with the Bigfoot sighting, you

44:19

could go, maybe, you

44:21

know, maybe this is kind of something

44:23

you've kind of hallucinated. He's like, no,

44:25

in May of 2018, we returned

44:28

to the Northwestern area of Sedona for three

44:30

nights of researching the Bradshaw Ranch. And he

44:32

said, I spent two nights researching on the

44:34

northern end of Sycamore Canyon. They

44:37

invited Ryan Burns, who

44:39

was a seasoned skinwalker ranch investigator. They

44:41

experienced essentially three nights of anomalous phenomena,

44:43

but, you know, nothing over the top,

44:46

you know, in comparison to what we're

44:48

describing. But it was on the

44:50

third night where something very strange happened where

44:52

that essentially in a nutshell had set themselves

44:55

up to kind of triangulate themselves across this

44:57

particular area. And when they had done

44:59

so, they had their walkie talkies. So they were in communication

45:01

with each other. And they

45:03

had an FLIR thermal imager with them

45:05

as well to capture whatever was going

45:07

on. And he says, from my position

45:10

behind the fence, just north of this

45:12

windmill, which had had the strange activity

45:14

before, he'd set up his FLIR and he

45:16

was trying to capture something. But he says, shortly

45:18

after, Larry contacts him and

45:20

says, hey, there's a car coming. And

45:22

one minute later, apparently a car was coming

45:24

down through the property. Now he says, I

45:26

switched on the FLIR thermal imager from standby

45:28

mode to operating mode and scan the horizon.

45:31

He says, I didn't see anything there. There was nothing. But

45:34

Ryan was also via the walkie

45:36

talkie saying there's something coming. There's something coming this

45:38

way. Why did they think it was a car?

45:40

Did they just see the headlines? Yeah. Well, in

45:42

fact, let's skip forward to what Larry says. So

45:45

he says in Larry's own words, he writes, I

45:47

was standing on the hill at the east side

45:49

of the ranch, looking southwest, south, southwest, when I

45:51

noticed a car moving on the area of the

45:53

hill at the top of the ranch. The

45:55

car was in the area that was kind of

45:57

obscured from my view, but it was definitely an

45:59

area that had no road. So in the image

46:01

Ben that you've put up here, he's actually given

46:03

an overlay of this area. It's

46:05

a Google Earth map, but you can see

46:07

in the black, that is a road, that

46:10

is an established road into the area. But

46:12

what they work out later on when they all

46:14

start talking with each other, that red dotted line

46:16

that you can see here, which travels through very

46:19

rough terrain. There's no way that a standard vehicle

46:22

or even a four-wheel drive, he says, you know,

46:24

less a tank could move through

46:27

this area. It doesn't look like there's a

46:29

road there. There's no road. Yeah. And it

46:31

goes in this meandering kind of way, sometimes

46:33

following the terrain, sometimes almost like it wants

46:35

to be seen. But again, did they see

46:38

tires? Did they see the

46:40

chassis? Did they actually see a car?

46:42

Not only did they see the tires,

46:44

the car, the chassis, everything else, they

46:46

also saw people inside the

46:48

car. Did they have hairy arms?

46:50

Like a hairy arm hanging out the driver's

46:52

side? No, so Larry describes this. He said,

46:54

I was able to see a young woman

46:56

get out of the front right passenger side

46:58

of the car. She quickly trotted forward past

47:01

the front end of the car and then

47:03

was out of sight. During this time, it

47:05

seemed that the headlights were providing enough light

47:07

for me to observe this. I estimated that

47:09

it was less than 30 seconds later when

47:11

I observed her trotting back as she'd gone

47:13

somewhere. It's like she'd gone to pick up

47:15

something. She got back into the

47:17

car, which proceeded to leave the property, through

47:19

a way which had no road. The car

47:21

came to a stop, reversed itself. I observed

47:23

brake lights and then it proceeded to head

47:25

out of the property the same way that

47:27

it came in, moving as if

47:30

the terrain was nothing more than a

47:32

perfectly formed road. Now get this, the

47:34

other factor is at that

47:36

one point there, in this map that comes

47:38

up, at one of those

47:40

points, that's the gate. So

47:42

you can see where the black and red

47:44

lines merge. That's the gate. To

47:46

their ranch. To their ranch. The gate was locked

47:49

with the padlock and a chain around it. The

47:52

car drove through it. Demonic

47:56

ghost cars. No, I don't think it

47:58

was demonic ghost cars. I don't think

48:00

that that's going on. But you can start to

48:02

see what's going on here with this, this

48:05

like they're humans. They appear to be human-like,

48:07

but are they entirely? He doesn't describe exactly

48:09

what they look like. And this is where

48:11

we'll go back to some of

48:13

Tom's work. Well, it's like the description of

48:15

men in black cars where it's like a

48:18

brand new Cadillac, black Cadillac,

48:20

but it's floating above the ground, making no noise

48:22

at all. Well, this is the thing he speculates

48:24

about this later on. It's like, could this be

48:26

a UFO that was somehow camouflaging

48:29

itself, perhaps masking itself? Maybe was

48:31

it influencing what they were seeing?

48:34

But he says, look, even though I did not hear, this

48:36

is what Antonia says, even though I did not hear a

48:38

car during the incident, my location, he says

48:41

his audio recorder that he had running

48:43

did pick up this very low frequency

48:45

bass sound that occurred only during the

48:48

presence of the car. So

48:50

it shows up in the audio. He says it's

48:52

the audio clip is fine because you can hear

48:54

the windmill turning in the background and

48:57

then this low bass sound. That's interesting. So

49:00

somehow an instrument picked it

49:02

up and he looks at the waveform

49:04

later on and you can see this low

49:06

frequency that occurred while this car apparently was

49:08

there. But he says, look, the car took

49:10

the path down the hill to the front

49:12

of the property that has

49:14

no existing roads. It was a steep hill

49:16

full of bushes, shrubs and juniper trees. It's

49:18

not drivable for any vehicle except maybe a

49:20

tank to get through, which I pointed out

49:22

before. He said the vehicle was moving at

49:24

a relatively high amount of speed, at least

49:26

20 miles per hour, like over what the

49:28

terrain should be able to do. It passed

49:30

through the gate. And then on top of

49:33

this, no damage was observed on the

49:35

trees or crops or anything afterwards. So

49:37

it didn't physically affect its surroundings. I

49:39

think when you go back to

49:42

that clip you had of Bradshaw saying

49:44

this giant window opened in the sky

49:46

and she saw a telegraph pole and

49:48

it was somewhere else. And then

49:50

you've got this car driving where there's not a

49:52

road and people seeming to act like there

49:55

should be a road. Are they just

49:57

viewing like, is there an overlapping multiverse? Are

50:00

we talking like overlapping dimensions and they're seeing

50:02

something leaking through? Like in another world, there

50:04

really is a road there and there are

50:06

people driving to their ranch and other dimensions.

50:08

Yes, I think you're onto something, is that

50:10

did occur to me. That's something which is

50:12

not mentioned by Antonio, but I'm sure is

50:15

something which would occur as well. It's like,

50:17

yeah, I mean, you're, well, I know we're joking about the

50:19

demonic stuff, right? But maybe it's not that at all. Maybe

50:22

it simply is. It's a parallel dimension.

50:25

It's actually a parallel dimension of

50:27

a similar group of humanity that which has

50:29

just had just little differences and those little differences has

50:31

led them to be just a little bit different from

50:33

us. And it's like they

50:35

have similar technology like telegraph poles, but also

50:38

they have apparently UFOs. Who

50:40

knows? I mean, your mind could just run

50:42

with the possibilities of what's going on here.

50:45

But before I get to this book and

50:48

go into some of the weird phenomena that

50:50

was experienced by Tom Dong-Go himself

50:52

at this location, at this ranch,

50:54

he says, look, Siga placed cameras on the

50:57

Bradshaw ranch in 2017, and it's

50:59

been recording digital images ever since then. Now,

51:02

of course, with capturing digital images, he wondered

51:04

if strange things had been recorded. He says

51:06

in October of 2021, the number of photographs

51:09

being taken per day was reduced to one

51:11

per hour. But as

51:13

a result of this, still, there's

51:15

a probability of capturing something anomalous

51:18

via photographs. And nonetheless, weird anomalous

51:20

images are being captured. So I've got

51:22

a couple here. So if you just bring up this

51:24

one, Ben, this is a light anomaly that was captured

51:26

by Siga cameras on May the 14th in 2019

51:28

at 350 p.m. Now,

51:31

again, this could be lens flare. It

51:34

could be any type of artifact. But in

51:36

the top left hand side or the mid left hand

51:38

side of this image, you can see what appears

51:41

to be a double or red

51:43

like phenomena that hasn't been

51:45

in the book. He doesn't include other images. He's

51:47

like that that image wasn't there before the previously

51:49

captured image. This is supposed to be

51:51

an abandoned location as well. So I mean, occasionally you will

51:54

have scientists show up to do whatever they have to do,

51:56

whatever that may be. But

51:58

this is, you know, not like someone's driven

52:00

something up there which is reflecting in the sun. Again,

52:03

the fact that this is some

52:05

government climate observance operation. It

52:07

speaks so much as to what

52:09

could really be occurring. It reminds

52:12

me of the latest Alan Wake

52:14

game because they have the FEDRO

52:16

Bureau of Control. And

52:18

very early on in the game, you run

52:20

into this guy who's working on, I think

52:22

it's actually like a climate monitoring station. Yeah,

52:25

whatever's the current thing is the cover-up. Yeah,

52:27

and he's inside like and later on in

52:29

the game you get in there and it's

52:31

observing the demons. Yeah, it's observing the paranormal

52:34

activity going on in that area. Yeah, and

52:36

I think this is what this particular location may

52:38

be and that would become more apparent in a moment. But

52:41

then there was this other factor that came up just bring

52:43

up the next image that's just in that in there Ben.

52:46

No, not that one, not demonic parallel dimensions. I knew you

52:48

had that one ready to go. This one's

52:50

a little bit more unusual. It's

52:52

very difficult to see in this and I

52:54

did zoom in on it. If you zoom

52:57

in on the bottom right hand corner there

52:59

Ben. Oh yeah, I think I've seen this

53:01

one before. Apparently the Sega images captured some

53:03

type of figure that

53:05

is without doubt according to sub researchers a

53:07

Bigfoot. So on the right Ben. So is

53:09

this... So the first photo on the left is

53:11

4.15 pm. This is

53:14

photo A and you zoom in and there's

53:16

a figure there. There's a humanoid figure. The

53:18

second figure is an hour later and there's

53:20

nothing there. Right. So what

53:22

was it in the first image? That's the question.

53:25

And it seemed to be bigger than a standard

53:27

human form. But of course that's very difficult to

53:29

make out because it really just comes down to

53:31

pixels. It's funny because before you told me what

53:34

it could be, I just would

53:36

have thought tree stump. Me

53:38

too. But now that you say Bigfoot,

53:41

I'm now primed and I can totally see him

53:44

in there. I can totally see his head and

53:46

his shoulders and everything. Yeah. Isn't it weird? You've

53:49

primed me. Is this what that's the thing, right?

53:51

Is it like this weird priming, anomaly priming that

53:53

that kicks in and this is why you had

53:55

these experiences. Like if you told me kangaroo, I

53:57

probably would see a kangaroo. Maybe,

54:00

I don't know. I do see

54:02

like a lurching for, especially when you zoom

54:04

out, it does look like

54:07

some type of classic, Patterson Gimlin

54:09

style Bigfoot gated creature

54:11

that's moving through the shot.

54:14

But yeah, look, it's so open to

54:16

interpretation. And it could truly be nothing. It

54:19

could be nothing, right? And this is what this

54:21

kind of stuff does. The phenomena remains elusive. It

54:23

always remains elusive. It is very difficult to capture

54:25

any of this. It only shows itself when it

54:27

wants to be shown. Well,

54:30

I'll be thinking about, to

54:32

be really boring, artifacts

54:34

in the video. Like obviously this

54:36

is a digital video. It's been

54:38

transferred digitally. It's been compressed.

54:41

You get all sorts of artifacts showing

54:43

up. That's the thing, right? If this

54:45

was just by itself, you could be

54:48

like, yeah, that's possible. But this is

54:50

part of a greater ongoing incidents, right?

54:53

Of this activity taking place. So the other thing that

54:55

comes up, and I don't have the images included here,

54:57

but they are included in the book, because it

55:00

didn't transfer well. And I'm like, you can't really see

55:02

it. But there is a three to 400 pound

55:04

plastic water tank, right? In

55:07

one of the photos, the water tank is like

55:09

lying on its side. Like someone's knocked it over.

55:12

And then the next one, the next image, an hour

55:14

later, someone's picked it back up. And

55:17

he's like, there's no one there. Ow.

55:19

That's the thing. It's like, there's

55:21

no one there. So the phenomena,

55:24

whatever it is, has somehow altered

55:26

the surroundings. But why?

55:29

Why would it do that? And of course, you

55:31

know, like, again, all open to interpretation. When you

55:34

go through the book itself, there's color images

55:36

that are included. There's black and white images, plenty

55:38

of sources shaped things showing up. Yeah,

55:40

the plastic teal colored water tank, he said this was captured on April

55:43

the 18th, 2021 at 3 45, with

55:46

photos taken 30 minutes before and after. So it's kind

55:48

of like this, the bear that fixes

55:50

up the traffic cone. Kind of. He

55:53

just walks along, it's tipped over, puts

55:56

it upright, goes along his way, but it's

55:58

not a bear. It's obviously a bear. a

56:00

Bigfoot that's fixed the water tank. Well, what he says is

56:02

figures 46 and 47 show the photographs of

56:04

the tank before and after the move in

56:06

April of 2021. During that day, the Sega

56:08

photos and image captures do not capture any

56:10

vehicles or people on the property at all.

56:13

You must have been riveted

56:15

at this stage. I was just like, when you

56:17

were seeing the before and after photos of the

56:19

water tank riveted. Well, that's why I skipped over

56:21

it because I'm like, oh, I can't really

56:23

see two chapters on

56:25

it. Yeah, exactly. So none of that I included,

56:28

but yeah, you've got the FLIR images

56:30

that Cam, which I showed you there of that creature as

56:32

well. So look, without a doubt, there's

56:34

definitely something strange, which is going on

56:36

there. But what that is, I don't

56:38

know. So later on in

56:40

the book towards the end, he goes into the

56:42

chapter called Weirdness in the Canyons, Windows, Portals and

56:45

Doorways, which you know, is consistent with what we've

56:47

been talking about. And he

56:49

says, look, there's a man by the name

56:51

of Todd Michael. He's a Sedona UFO researcher.

56:53

He claims himself to have seen many portal

56:55

openings in the sky over Fay Canyon between

56:59

2009 and 2011. This is why he

57:01

while he was working as essentially a

57:03

he was working at a downtown UFO

57:05

store, but then became like you would

57:07

take people out for like the

57:09

equivalent of what's it called? Yeah,

57:12

they're tours, but they're like calling

57:14

in contact tours. Oh, so like

57:17

a Stephen Greer. Yeah, that kind

57:19

of thing, right. And in

57:21

his book, he has a book called Alien Contact. This

57:24

is former Arizona tour guide tells all

57:26

I can't get this book. I

57:28

mean, I tried to get this book yesterday. I

57:30

quit this not on Amazon. His website's

57:32

gone. Okay, yeah, it's many such cases,

57:34

many such cases of this stuff. And

57:37

I'm like, is that just because it's

57:39

just an obscure book? Yeah. Which is

57:41

probably because it's so published, they printed

57:43

like 50 copies.

57:45

Well, I've got some

57:47

audio from where is it?

57:49

I'll come back to it in a moment.

57:51

It's from the California move on. It's like

57:53

a podcast that was done. What's the name

57:55

of the person? It was the Laurene Fenton,

57:58

California move on radio, which I'll come back to. But

58:01

look, he says, like some of the people that he's been

58:03

with, there's a description of Case 40 in

58:05

the book and also Case 41. One

58:09

of the witnesses said that in the sky just

58:11

above the trees appeared to be a ball of

58:13

golden light. It grew larger and brighter and seemed

58:15

to swirl around itself. The intensity of the light

58:18

grew until it burst into a bright flash of

58:20

light in the shape of a diamond. It looked

58:22

like a sci-fi portal or stargate from which two

58:24

crafts shot out. The craft to our left went

58:26

right towards Faye Canyon, which was on the other

58:29

side of the mountain in front of us and

58:31

the second craft raced off in the direction of Cathedral

58:33

Rock. I'm loving these dimensional windows

58:35

opening up in the sky. This is so

58:37

cool. It's like really cool. So

58:40

it includes a couple of those. So I

58:42

started digging though. I wanted to see about,

58:44

you know, what Michael's background was, you know,

58:46

Todd Michael's background was. And

58:51

he's an interesting character. So when I,

58:53

I'll link to the full audio in

58:56

the show notes. It's like two hours

58:58

long, but essentially you went through

59:00

two hours of this, two hours of this fascinating

59:03

guy. I've cut this all up. So you might, it might seem

59:05

a bit jerky and disjointed because I had the way

59:07

that I had to cut it up. It's not

59:09

very clean because it's just the way the audio went.

59:11

That's not really important. He basically

59:13

describes that he has fallen through

59:16

a great many of portals himself

59:18

and he just happened right to fall

59:20

through a portal in Kewarny

59:23

Lapsaridis' backyard. What the Kewarny Lapsaridis?

59:25

That's right. Yes. The

59:28

Bigfoot portal guy himself. Oh my gosh. So this

59:30

is Todd Michael describing that incident. The

59:33

one where the portal opened up

59:35

beside me and I went

59:37

through that one. That was actually in Kewarny's

59:39

backyard, camped in my tent and

59:41

I was all excited. He told me where they

59:43

come in to backyard from and

59:45

where they exit. And I

59:47

put my tent right in the middle of their path

59:49

so they would have to walk between me and his

59:52

kind of lean to storage

59:54

area. And so I

59:57

was just so jazzed up I couldn't sleep.

1:00:00

It must've been like four in the morning

1:00:02

when I finally got some shut eye, but

1:00:04

it wasn't a lot. And I remember I

1:00:06

was laying on my stomach and I had

1:00:08

my hands under the pillow and

1:00:11

all of a sudden my, so my

1:00:13

right elbow starts to drop down

1:00:15

as though I'm levitating. Next

1:00:18

thing you know, I feel like I'm sliding down

1:00:20

a hill on a magic carpet. I can feel

1:00:22

things moving around me. And then I

1:00:24

noticed there's just something's

1:00:26

running circles around my tent really fast.

1:00:28

And then I saw him, he stopped

1:00:31

and he was facing me. I'm

1:00:33

sitting out there looking at this guy and I thought it

1:00:35

was me. He was definitely a Bigfoot

1:00:37

type, but he had very little body hair and

1:00:40

Kawani calls those ancient ones. And then he

1:00:42

starts running around the tent again and

1:00:45

he becomes a blur. He's going so fast and

1:00:47

I turn over. I'm actually sitting up. So

1:00:49

I just kind of roll back and I see

1:00:51

a portal opening up. I

1:00:53

mean, I got sucked through it, but

1:00:56

I don't remember what happened. So

1:00:59

he get some nude man shows up and

1:01:01

just a hairy nude dude runs naked around

1:01:03

his tent and then drags him into a

1:01:06

portal. And he can't remember what happened. Yes.

1:01:08

And let's break down even more than that,

1:01:10

right? Because there was a few things in

1:01:12

there. Obviously because I've listened to it for

1:01:14

a few times now when I was editing

1:01:16

it, he says, I thought it

1:01:18

was me. I'm like, what does that mean? What

1:01:21

do you mean? You thought it was you? So it

1:01:23

looked like a man. Well, no, no. Why would you

1:01:26

even say that? Because later on in this interview, right?

1:01:28

He goes into this weird thing that he was like

1:01:30

in the military and he goes off in this kind

1:01:32

of tangent where he was in the military and when

1:01:34

you complete basic training, you're given something called the dream

1:01:36

sheet, right? And I'm thinking this is like some remote

1:01:38

viewing program or something. No, it's like you're given a

1:01:41

sheet of paper that you can say where you want

1:01:43

to go and what you want to do. Oh, for

1:01:45

your future career. For your future career, right? And he

1:01:47

said, he goes into this kind of long

1:01:49

winded story about how he wanted to work with

1:01:51

like in the nuclear arms area or something. And

1:01:53

he decided that he didn't and then all of

1:01:55

a sudden it created a doppelganger of him that

1:01:58

wanted to like. It's like... Yeah,

1:02:01

that's important context to his story. And then later

1:02:03

on there, a period of conferences and a doppelganger

1:02:05

of him shows up at a conference. I didn't

1:02:07

go into any greater detail, but I'm like, none

1:02:10

of this is really making any sense. So when

1:02:12

he made that decision, it's like two of him

1:02:14

split off into multiple universes. One version of him

1:02:16

went into the nuclear division and the other version

1:02:19

of him did not. Right. So

1:02:21

when you go back... Then later up, they met up

1:02:23

at Corny Lapsaridis' backyard and had gay sex in another

1:02:25

dimension. Well, I don't think there's anything about the gay

1:02:27

sex part, but who knows, right? I mean, it gives

1:02:29

you a whole new term to go fuck yourself, doesn't it?

1:02:32

But anyway, he... No, I get the context

1:02:34

now, right? So he was like, oh, it

1:02:36

was like maybe because he was having this

1:02:38

weird experience already, it's like this doppelganger of

1:02:40

his appeared. I'm like, no, I was wrong.

1:02:42

No, no, it's got nothing to do with that.

1:02:44

All of that completely irrelevant. Nothing, right?

1:02:47

He's a shapeshifter, right? He

1:02:50

himself claims that he's shaped... Interacting

1:02:53

with these beings, it induces a

1:02:55

shapeshift where he shapeshifts into a

1:02:57

Bigfoot. Are

1:02:59

you prompting me for the next clip? Play the next clip.

1:03:03

I've also shapeshifted into them a couple of

1:03:05

times. Sometimes that's to facilitate

1:03:07

going through the portals. Like one time

1:03:09

in California, that happened where

1:03:12

I went across this river and I

1:03:14

shapeshifted. As soon as I saw him,

1:03:16

I shapeshifted into him. There was a

1:03:18

whole group of black-cared Sasquatch. And

1:03:21

I messed around with this one for a while. He came

1:03:23

up and kicked me in the crotch and kicked me

1:03:25

in the balls and said, it's been a long time. What?

1:03:30

Kicked in the balls. Yeah,

1:03:33

kicked in the crotch. So he

1:03:35

sees a bunch of hairy dude

1:03:37

Sasquatch just hanging out and he's

1:03:39

like, and turns into one. Yeah.

1:03:42

And then... No, no, no, you're asked

1:03:44

about. So to be able to transverse these

1:03:46

portals, according to him, the only

1:03:49

people that can train are like this, the sacred

1:03:51

ones or the elder, like the Bigfoot, essentially, like

1:03:53

the corny lapser, it is Bigfoot. And then you

1:03:55

have these creatures, you've got to transform into a

1:03:57

Bigfoot and then that permits you access through these

1:03:59

shattered So

1:06:00

come back to these videos for me, Ben. Bring

1:06:03

up, so Dongo is, this is Tom Dongo

1:06:05

describing his experiences. And he says, on

1:06:08

the Bradshaw Ranch, they had had at one point thought

1:06:10

that they were going to create something called like Old

1:06:12

Western World or whatever it is. It was like this

1:06:14

place where you could, yeah, thank you. Ben's just put

1:06:16

an image or a video of a guy getting kicked

1:06:18

to the crotch over and over again. This

1:06:21

is actually, you know how they learnt this? They

1:06:23

learnt this from ancient Bigfoot. Yeah, like they have

1:06:25

monkey style, mantis style. This is Bigfoot style. It

1:06:27

gets a brick and it's a smashing. This is

1:06:29

where it comes from. Like the

1:06:31

ancient Kung Fu masters observed the animals in nature

1:06:33

and one of them was a Sasquatch. Well, yeah,

1:06:36

I mean, they're masters, right? So they could see

1:06:38

it to other dimensions. So they just see a

1:06:40

bunch of big, oh my God, you got this

1:06:42

massive stick. That didn't go very hard. Come

1:06:45

on. You got to do it. Go back on. It's

1:06:47

blocking it with these thighs. Yeah, come on. Yeah,

1:06:49

exactly. I could do that. So

1:06:53

this is the thing though, when they set up this Western

1:06:55

world, it never really took off. This

1:06:58

model was never going to work and nothing happened, but

1:07:00

they had this gift shop, right? And

1:07:02

Linda's like something very strange has

1:07:04

happened in the gift shop. So she contacts Tom Dongo

1:07:07

to come and have a look. Just play for me, Ben.

1:07:09

Number 10. This is him

1:07:11

describing that experience. You got it. The gift

1:07:13

shop hadn't been, hadn't been used in years.

1:07:16

And the stuff in there was real stale.

1:07:20

There was bubblegum, there was candies, all sorts

1:07:22

of things. So something had gotten in there

1:07:24

the night before and eaten hundreds and hundreds

1:07:26

of these. These

1:07:29

are those pepper balls. They're a peppery sweet on the outside

1:07:31

and sweet on the inside. They're about an inch and a

1:07:33

half. All the doors, the doors were

1:07:35

locked. Nothing was broken. And

1:07:37

something had gotten in there and eaten literally hundreds

1:07:39

of these things. Now I've

1:07:41

saved some of these wrappers, whatever it was, sat on

1:07:43

the floor and popped these things into its mouth. It

1:07:46

seems like it walked right through the wall and

1:07:48

walked back up to the wall like a ghost.

1:07:51

So my conclusion would be come to. So there was

1:07:53

no way to get in there. There was no way

1:07:55

it was locked. There was no break in entry at

1:07:57

any point in there at all. And yet somehow something

1:08:00

had gotten in and as he pointed out, it

1:08:02

wasn't rats because they'd like had to screw the

1:08:04

lids off these things together. And he said it

1:08:06

was all stale. It's been there for years abandoned

1:08:08

and some bigfoot's eating these stupid pepper balls and

1:08:10

he ate hundreds of them. So it's where,

1:08:13

oh, as he was going back through the, he shot a

1:08:15

glass of this bigfoot. So he's

1:08:17

got a tummy ache then he, as soon as he goes through

1:08:19

his home portal, he gets kicked in the nuts. That's

1:08:24

that weird harvest is Bigfoot throwing up afterwards.

1:08:26

So then of course, and I'll link to

1:08:28

this presentation so you can go and watch

1:08:31

it all for yourself. But

1:08:33

there's a couple of things that I did, I included a lot

1:08:35

more, but I won't go into it. One thing I do want

1:08:37

to include, right, is that they were, as

1:08:39

Linda was doing as Tom was, they

1:08:41

were taking a bunch of random photographs and seeing what

1:08:44

was showing up on the photographs, right? There's

1:08:46

just three things I'm going to show you. Just play

1:08:48

number 13 for me, please, Ben.

1:08:50

This is something that they saw on their

1:08:52

film or when they developed their

1:08:54

prints later on. This is one of the

1:08:56

strangest photographs we've got. Now there were five

1:08:58

people in the area that night and this,

1:09:00

this wasn't one of us. What

1:09:03

the hell is that? It looks like a

1:09:06

horror film. It has ears like spark and

1:09:08

Star Trek, kind of a bird-like face pushed

1:09:10

forward. We checked everybody that was in the

1:09:12

area. Nobody was wearing these kinds of clothes.

1:09:15

Yuck. Isn't it creepy? So when you

1:09:18

mention demons, immediately when

1:09:20

I see like these glowing eyes and I'm

1:09:22

like, yeah, okay, that's a little bit more,

1:09:24

a little bit more disturbing.

1:09:27

But this was captured again and again because there's this

1:09:29

scene, right? So if you can play just not yet,

1:09:31

but get Q14 up, Ben. So

1:09:34

they're inside the house and

1:09:36

we don't know exactly what this creature is

1:09:38

because it seems like there are invisible Bigfoot

1:09:41

creatures that are appearing. But

1:09:43

essentially, Linda's camera, someone was picking

1:09:45

up Linda's camera in the middle of the

1:09:47

night and taking photographs. So they dust the

1:09:49

camera with talcum powder and this

1:09:52

is what they get. Something was picking her camera up

1:09:54

inside the ranch house, taking pictures

1:09:56

at night. She would set the camera

1:09:58

on the coffee table. there would

1:10:00

be like 10 exposures on the camera, she'd get

1:10:02

up and it'd be 16. It took about 48

1:10:05

pictures inside the ranch house.

1:10:07

And I said, Hey, I got one of these

1:10:09

light bulb ideas. I said, let's dust the camera

1:10:12

with baby powder tonight and see what happens. So

1:10:14

Linda did, she dusted it with baby powder. So that

1:10:17

night it picked up the camera and this is the

1:10:19

print that left. It's kind of, it's either got fur

1:10:22

on it or it's not quite materialized. But this is

1:10:24

the print, the creature, this is a print that the

1:10:26

creature left right here. Big fat

1:10:28

grubby fingerprints all over it. I mean, look,

1:10:30

it is ambiguous, but you can see the

1:10:32

difference there of where you have much smaller

1:10:34

print from Linda and very defined edges. Still

1:10:36

got peanut butter on his fingers. It's weird

1:10:38

from when he broke into that. Yeah, exactly.

1:10:41

Broke into the pantry. But they

1:10:43

looked at the photographs that this creature took, right? So

1:10:45

play 15. This is what they saw. They've

1:10:47

taken the middle of the night. This was taken about two or

1:10:49

three o'clock in the morning. Now, outside

1:10:52

the window, the ranch house, there's something

1:10:54

so bright, it's actually washed the film

1:10:56

out. And there's something on

1:10:58

the table here. Linda thought it

1:11:00

was their phone, but it isn't. I

1:11:03

took the phone, set it down next to a coffee.

1:11:05

The phone is not the same size. So here's a

1:11:07

black object sitting on the table that

1:11:09

really, we have no idea what it was.

1:11:12

What am I looking at? So if you look into the center

1:11:14

of the image there, you can see just to kind of, look

1:11:17

to the midline. It looks like a thermos

1:11:19

or something that's just sitting on the table.

1:11:21

Yeah. And so they don't know what this

1:11:23

object is, but what's fascinating is that in

1:11:25

a number of these photographs that they take,

1:11:27

there seems to be creatures that are holding

1:11:29

some type of instrument, right?

1:11:32

And whether or not, and this obviously is

1:11:34

speculation, there's lots of speculation, but this instrument

1:11:36

is some type of device that permits them

1:11:39

to open portals or to, you

1:11:41

know, like, like the television show sliders, for example,

1:11:43

it's like some type of device that allows them

1:11:45

to move through. It shows up

1:11:47

in a lot of the images. And so one

1:11:49

example is once again, when they're outside where they

1:11:51

accidentally took a photograph of a being that appears

1:11:53

to be holding one of these

1:11:55

instruments. Can you go up and play number 12, please,

1:11:58

Ben? So one day... I

1:12:00

had taken the film to

1:12:03

be blown up, taken the print to be blown up, and the

1:12:05

guy blew up the wrong part of it, and I was disappointed.

1:12:08

But then I got looking at it, and I saw a foot, a

1:12:11

sandal, down here. So

1:12:13

I'm looking at this thing, and I said, what

1:12:15

the hell is that? I know this

1:12:17

is in the middle of the window. This is about 20 degrees,

1:12:19

and I took this photograph. So down here is a sandaled foot.

1:12:21

Here's the pant leg. And this

1:12:23

is either the hand, or it's a

1:12:25

device that it's holding. Is it a

1:12:27

defensive device? Is it something, an

1:12:30

illumination device? Is it

1:12:32

what keeps it invisible? And

1:12:35

then this is what is very

1:12:37

interesting. There's a shadow right here.

1:12:39

This thing was completely invisible, but

1:12:42

there's a shadow on the ground

1:12:44

right here. And this is a close-up

1:12:46

of the object. It's

1:12:48

about 12 inches by 10 inches. It's

1:12:51

metallic. You can see metallic coils in it. The

1:12:54

good thing about this is, where's the guy's knee? Yeah,

1:12:57

exactly. It's like, if he hadn't

1:12:59

pointed out the sandal, I would be struggling to make it

1:13:01

out. But now that he's pointed out, I can clearly see

1:13:03

it. But where's the knee? It's

1:13:05

like his leg just is straight and

1:13:07

keeps going. But what is

1:13:09

that? It's just, it's so weird. And you go,

1:13:11

yeah, this is some type of pareidolia, but it's

1:13:15

pretty strange. And this

1:13:17

device, I'm like, well, then what is that weird glowing

1:13:19

thing in the top? It's a device. But when he

1:13:21

does zoom in on it, you can

1:13:23

see that it does have kind of like a

1:13:25

mechanical look to some point, certainly in the center

1:13:28

there. None of

1:13:30

this is making sense. Even to the point

1:13:32

at the top there. It's symmetrical. Yeah, it's

1:13:34

just all very peculiar. And now they seemingly

1:13:36

were repeatedly capturing these images. Now, look, we

1:13:39

can't rule out the possibility that potentially,

1:13:42

I'm not saying it was Tom or Linda,

1:13:44

but maybe someone involved in this was pulling

1:13:46

a prank. It was attracting a significant amount

1:13:48

of attention. So it was being done for

1:13:50

a hoax. And people

1:13:52

do hoaxes for all kinds of reasons, not just attention,

1:13:55

but potentially money and that kind of stuff. Maybe

1:13:58

that's going on. But Tom and C. that they

1:14:00

are not hosting this. And I'm

1:14:03

like, well, I don't necessarily think

1:14:05

that he is, because it's

1:14:07

not just Tom and Linda that are describing this. You've

1:14:09

got plenty of other people, including, you know, Bob Bradshaw,

1:14:12

who's saying, I'm seeing this stuff too as

1:14:15

soon as Linda showed up. Like this activity,

1:14:17

and there's plenty of other people, plenty of

1:14:19

other researchers that are experiencing the same stuff.

1:14:21

And then decades later, you've got Antonio in

1:14:23

his book describing similar phenomena. This looks like

1:14:25

something the Hobo Masters of New York City's

1:14:27

subway would wear. Maybe, maybe. Flip-flops,

1:14:31

just like that. Just before we go, the last video

1:14:33

I want to play for you is also when they

1:14:35

captured when Tom and Linda were in the house by

1:14:37

themselves, and they captured an image

1:14:39

of what appears to be Spock. Linda

1:14:43

and I were standing side by side one night, and

1:14:45

Linda took some pictures. There

1:14:47

were no one else. You have to take my word for

1:14:49

it. These are not hoaxed in any

1:14:51

way. But this is probably

1:14:54

the first genuine photograph of a male

1:14:56

interdimensional being, or an alien. I'm not

1:14:58

sure which. Now, it's very

1:15:01

interesting because the year is completely different than ours.

1:15:03

It doesn't have a hole. There's just two creases

1:15:05

in it. It's a little bit puffy. His hair

1:15:07

is blue, but there was no one in front

1:15:09

of us when this photograph was taken. There's no

1:15:11

one else there, except me and Linda. Now,

1:15:13

I didn't include it in the audio, but he says

1:15:15

that the way that the haircut is well, he starts

1:15:17

to speculate that it's like, did Gene Roddenberry, the creator

1:15:19

of Star Trek, because I've all got that kind of

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point in their hair, he's like, did

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he do that because he was somehow tipped

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off by researchers in this field? I'm like,

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I think that's a bit of a stretch

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to go into this. Yeah, I think if

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you're listening to the audio, the problem with

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the YouTube copy of this presentation that we

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have is that it's so

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washed out and low resolution, we

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can't make out any details. So it basically

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looks like the rear profile of a

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white dude's head. Yeah, but he points out,

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he says, look, if you look at the

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hairline, the hairline is actually quite high,

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which is unusual. He

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says also that the eye, normally if you look at the

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eye from the side, that you should see more of it,

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but I'm like, I don't know.