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Ninety three was like my jam like,
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so I'd like I fully like, I'm like, oh ninety
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three, I could have been at this party, like literally, I was living
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in New York. I could have been there. I probably was there.
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I bet I snog bis I
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am in her book.
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Maybe you are exite.
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Hello, I'm mini driver. I've
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always loved Preust's questionnaire. It
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was originally in nineteenth century
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parlor game where players would ask
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each other thirty five questions aimed at
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revealing the other player's true nature.
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In asking different people the same set of
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questions, you can make observations
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about which truths appear to be universal.
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And it made me wonder, what if these questions
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were just the jumping off point, what greater
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depths would be revealed if I asked
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these questions as conversation starters.
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So I adapted Prus's questionnaire and
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I wrote my own seven questions that I personally
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think are pertinent to a person's story. They
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are when and where were you happiest?
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What is the quality you like least about yourself?
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What relationship, real or fictionalized,
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defines love for you? What question
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would you most like answered? What
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person, place, or experience has shaped
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you the most, what would be your last meal?
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And can you tell me something in your life
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that's grown out of a personal disaster? And
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I've gathered a group of really
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remarkable people, ones that I
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am honored and humbled to have had the
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chance to engage with. You may not hear
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their answers to all seven of these
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questions. We've whittled it down to
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which questions felt closest to their
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experience, or the most surprising,
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or created the most fertile
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ground to connect. My
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guest today is the multiple awards
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winning writer Jennifer Egan. I
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try not to fanger on this podcast.
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It is hard, but usually I can
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hustle my stammering enthusiast into another room
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and present a slightly more implacable version
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of myself. I didn't really
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manage to do that with Jennifer because
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her work, her words,
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and characters, live so presently
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in my own life. Her
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bullet Surprise winning novel A Visit
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from the Goon Squad lives permanently on
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my nightstand, and I constantly reference it when
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I can't sleep, when I'm stuck with something
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i'm writing, or when I'm turning
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over the idea of a character I'm going to play. Jennifer,
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like a lot of the characters she writes, has
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this kind of briny brilliance.
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Each answer she gave to a question I asked
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hinted at a far bigger mechanism at play,
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and I literally could have asked
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her a million questions more. She
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has a brain you want to spend time in, and
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a way of speaking and writing that cuts
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precisely to what is most revealing and to me, most
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interesting. Her books are fantastic.
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I encourage you to read all of them,
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by the way I just said it, and
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I now think that that is exactly what
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I'm going to That's not my new fantasy.
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I was actually in your book.
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I bet we passed each other.
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We passed each other on Avenue Age countless
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times.
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I'm sure I'm.
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Going to get in trouble if I keep asking you questions
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like can I come over? Do you think
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I was in your book? It sounds like I
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was, but the answer is yes, come
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every time. We know that excellent,
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I will. I'm going to get on and ask you these
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questions because I also want to know what you think
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about these. So
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my first question to you is where and when
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were you happiest.
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I mean, it's always hard, it always feel a little artificial
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to pick one moment, and so I
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usually go with the first one that comes to mind,
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because I guess I'm all about trusting instants
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in first drafts. So I'm going
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to say when I went with my husband
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and kids to Galway in Ireland
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in the summer of twenty eleven, and
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we were staying in a little bed and breakfast,
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and we were actually all in one tiny
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room. It was much tinier than we had expected.
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Our beds were almost jammed together, and
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our kids were eight and ten, and
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there was just something about that intimacy
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and that closeness, that feeling of
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our bodies just being so
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close together that it was like we were one being
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that I absolutely loved.
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And maybe because they were eight and ten, I
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thought that would never change, of course,
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but you know, they're twenty two and twenty now
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would be pretty weird if we were still sharing
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rooms that size, et cetera. And
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so I think there was just this sense of the preciousness
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of that proximity, of
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that sense.
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Of I was going to say, what is it
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about proximity that is the engenders
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that feeling of deep, abiding
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peace and happiness.
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Is it because you think you had a subconscious idea
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that there was a timestamp on it.
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I think it probably was just that I never had that
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in my nuclear family. My mother and father,
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I have no memory of them together. They divorced
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when I was two. I grew up apart
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from my father, and there were
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more children.
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On both sides.
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But that sense of being physically
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linked to a small unit and
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deeply bound to that unit and having
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them all around me, I don't think I had
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actually ever experienced it, So
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it was just so moving. And I also just
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think the fact that we were in Ireland was
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important too, because I had never
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been there, but my father was proudly
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Irish American. And on
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that same trip, we went to the town where
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some of my ancestors had come from, and
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we went to a graveyard where it seemed
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like every other name was Egan spelled
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the same way. And so the sense
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of connection to my own past,
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coupled with this tremendous
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physical proximity to my immediate
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nuclear family, was just intoxicating
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and so beautiful.
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I love that. I love that you going
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to a place where you're seeking to reconnect
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and finding that, but also
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just being packed into a little tiny
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room like a wolf pack. I
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think that's really beautiful and I really like
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that. I must say that pack feeling, not
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having had physical proximity
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much as a kid either, that's the feeling
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that I love with my dog,
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my boyfriend and my son.
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There's something about the bodies together
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that is so immediate.
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I wonder if that is like reptilian brain, which
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is like, when we are all together,
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we're safe. The sabertooth tiger can't
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get us. The rock is rolled in front of the cave, nobody's
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out, we're here. Everybody smells
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right, and it's sort of hermetically.
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Sealed exactly, and you're not doing
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that tiny calculation that I think we
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all do all the time of where is so
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and so and where is so and so? Well, I
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didn't have to ask that question because I could
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reach out and physically touch every person
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in the room. And I remember there was one point where we were
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all lying in bed. Each of us had our own book,
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and we were lying there in silence in this tiny
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little room and it was just it was heaven God.
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I love that.
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I just love the little, tiny, sort
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of maybe cultural stereotype about
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Ireland.
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Like this, this teeny
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weeny.
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Beds just all packed in together,
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the baby sardines.
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Yeah, it's true, and it was just a
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wonderful little interlude.
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It really was how lovely. What
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quality do you like least about yourself?
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That's a tough one because there's so many choices.
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I think that the quality I like least
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is my tendency to compare myself
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to others. Because
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it's one of these exercises that feels
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useful. It's actually self
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denigration disguised as
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information gathering.
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That's very good. I'm writing that down,
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so.
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It's like, what are other people doing? But
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that's not really what I'm asking. What I'm
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looking for is a way to undermine
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what I am doing and have done.
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So, just a one tangible example,
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every time I have a book come out, I
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pick some other book that's doing
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better, because there always.
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Is a book that's doing better, usually many.
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And I basically deem my
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effort a failure based on that
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success. And it's so arbitrary
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that later I sometimes you can't even remember
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what book I was using as my
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instrument of infliction.
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You flatch a book.
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Exactly long ago.
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I would look at Amazon reviews, for example,
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a terrible mistake, and I
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always would obsess over
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the mean ones, and of course a lot
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of them are mean because I'm not the audience for
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those reviews. They're writing for each other, and
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as well they should, that's what it's for.
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And I'm seeing a therapist then, and
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he said, I think you should
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call this what it is.
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When you go on Amazon and you read those, you
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are going to read bad reviews.
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That's why you're going. So you have to
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ask yourself before you do that, why am I doing
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that?
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And I have to tell you I have not looked
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at an Amazon review. It's got
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to have been fifteen years. So I'm
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trying to work on this quality of mine,
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but it's difficult to eradicate it is.
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It's the worst, It's the absolute worst.
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I read a review once of something I did, and I just
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said, mini driver dash
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tripe explanation point,
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which has now become how can
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you respond? It's now become like whenever anything
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goes wrong, I do sort of say, rather sadly to myself,
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mini driver tripe, like
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from dropping a bottle of ketchup to larger
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and more important things. But I think
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sticking away from them is a very good idea.
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Let me ask you this, When you're comparing
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yourself, do you honestly
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tune out the accolades
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and the reviews and all the other stuff,
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like you've won a pulitzerprise.
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I think in that negative state of
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mind, whose goal is self
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undermining, any accolades
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feel like good luck and
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things that I can't match, in other words,
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expectations I could no longer fulfill.
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So they actually add to
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the sense of in this state of
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mind, all the good things from the
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past just feel like more
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evidence that the present is falling
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short, like I can't match that.
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I so feel that.
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Yes, So that's the hard party.
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Nothing helps in that mindset because
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the mindset is leading the way.
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That's another part of the trick.
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It feels like, well, I'm just looking at hard evidence
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that I'm drawing my conclusions. Not at all,
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I am looking in a slanted way
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at my achievements in
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life and deeming them all
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insufficient, because that was
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always the conclusion I was going to come to, because
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the conclusion led the discovery.
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God, that's some really clever, awful
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self battery right there, and I recognize
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it fully, really
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interesting I'm so glad you've said that out loud. I'm
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going to share that with everybody and then listen
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to it back when I feel like doing the same thing,
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or if anybody does.
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I don't know what the solution is though. For
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me, I just I think of it as weather. It's
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like, okay, it's that kind of day. Okay,
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So all of my thinking is going to be like that,
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and I'm going to try to just think about other
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things if I can, and then I wait for it to
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pass.
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I think looking at it like whether, yes, a
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friend of mine was blue
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and we were talking about that. Sometimes
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you just have to stay the course. You just have to put
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your raincoat on and go below
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deck for a minute. That's it. I'm
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wait. But I think naming
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it is really good too. I'm just going
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sometimes I do this thing. It looks like this.
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It gets rid of all of this other thinking because
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I think it's so recognizable. I think
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we all do it.
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Yeah. I think if I were someone who meditated,
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that would help, but at this point I'm
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not sure that's ever going to be me. But for
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me, reading is a huge help because it
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somehow occupies more parts
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of my brain than most other activities.
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So if I can really engage with that, I can
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let go of some of that thinking and noticing.
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Okay, this is just a day where every thought
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ends on this negative node.
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Sometimes it's not even.
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Comparison, it's just failure, a feeling
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like I could have done this better, I could have done
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that better, and then I just wait
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for that to pass.
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Do you prescribe that to your kids? Have you
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said that to them? Just wait it out,
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just hold on and see where
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you are at tomorrow.
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Luckily, they're not this as much this way
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as I am, which is really good,
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or at least not so far good for them.
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But I do try to remind them in
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moments where I feel like their anxiety
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is really what's dictating their perceptions,
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I'll try to point to the fact
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that in this anxious state,
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the anxiety looks for something to
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kind of dig into, and so just
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know that because you feel like this thing
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is going terribly wrong, but in fact, all
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that's really going wrong is that you're terribly anxious
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and you've found a thing to express that.
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Yeah, to hang it on. God, that really is
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so exactly what I've been trying to put it into
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words. It's good. It's like descaling your brain, actually
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hearing somebody else say things that you haven't been able
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to put into words.
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I like descaling the brain. That's cool.
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I need a good descaling.
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Seriously in
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your life. Can you tell me about something
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that has grown out of a personal
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disaster?
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I can so.
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I mentioned my father earlier, the Irish American
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guy whom I loved so much, but I really
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didn't know him well because my mother and
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stepfather moved moved with me and
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my little brother who was their son, to San
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Francisco when I was seven, and my
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father remained in Chicago. He had three
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more kids. They're much younger than I am. I knew
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them when they were little, but then for many
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reasons, I really didn't know
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them at all after a certain point, and I really
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had almost no contact with my father's
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family. I did see him now and then,
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but there was a bit of a chasm there.
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And my father, when he.
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Was actually younger than I am, he had just turned
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sixty, he was hit by a truck
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while he was bicycling and he was killed.
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And so I
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was reunited with my now adult
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siblings, and it was
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obviously just so unexpected
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such a catastrophe.
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I mean, he was going to be.
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Running in a marathon the next week. He was
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in the peak of health, and
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it was a disastrous loss. And for
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me, it really meant that I would never really
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know my father. But I
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did reconnect with my siblings and
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we have been close ever since. Really,
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and that was nineteen ninety six, So
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wow, it's meant that our kids
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know each other. They are a big part of my life.
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And in fact, that brother that I
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moved to San Francisco with, the son of my mother and
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stepfather, ended up passing away very
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early in his life. So these
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are my siblings and I'm so grateful
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to have them, and I'm not sure
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that reunion would have happened
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without this absolute catastrophe
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of my father losing his life. I mean,
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I wish you were here. I wish he'd gotten
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to do all the things he missed.
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I feel so sad for him when I think that
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he never saw his youngest child graduate from
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college, he never met a grandchild.
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I mean, it's bad, but you
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know, there are some good things at least
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we've been able to enjoy in the wake of that.
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God. Yeah, I
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have a strange siblings who, Yeah,
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not even the death of my father was enough
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to bring us all back together. But I do wonder
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about them an awful lot. Maybe
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one day. I like the idea that there's I
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think everything is possible. I really
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do. That's my most hopeful thought.
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As long as we're all here, As long as as long as.
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We're all here, everything is possible. Truly,
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sometimes I find that to be a really edifying thought,
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like when things are particularly dark, so
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everything is possible. Yes, everything awful
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that you're currently thinking about, but also the
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turnaround and the slightness of
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a solution to a gigantic
16:25
problem. It's never commensurate. Again,
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I don't remember whoever said that to me when I was younger,
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but it was true. The solution to a problem
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is never commensurate with the size of the
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feeling around the problem. Hm.
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Yes, it's true.
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I feel so sad about those
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kinds of chasms and divisions,
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given just how short life is and how
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hard it is. It feels so unnecessary,
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like it's sort of bad for everyone.
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But I also know that.
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Sometimes people just cannot overcome
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these bad feelings.
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I don't know.
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My disposition is always to try to
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connect with everyone. That's
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always my thought like, let's see if we can
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work it out. But I know that's
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sometimes simplistic and it doesn't always
17:09
solve things. But I'm just a believer
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in trying to, I don't know, try to find
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as much joy together as
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we can while we're here. I
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can't think of any more
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useful philosophy than that.
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In a way, like here we are, who knows
17:25
exactly, Let's try and have fun and
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make each other happy if.
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We can, exactly, Let's
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do as much as we can. What
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relationship, real or fictionalized,
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defines love for you?
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So funny. I'm one of these people who's not great
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at talking.
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About things like love because it always seems
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corny. But I guess this is a very
17:50
American of this moment answer.
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But I can't help but think of Rosalind and
17:54
Jimmy Carter because
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super insanely long marriage
18:00
which both real
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doers and believers, you
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know, this long, rich, varied
18:08
experience in which they both
18:11
remained so relevant kind
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of culturally and to each other. I
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guess there's just an a liveness about
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that in every conceivable way
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that is really exciting
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and inspiring to me.
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You know, I hope to live a really long life.
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I hope my husband will live a really long life,
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and I hope we can be
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that way.
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But they're a role model there, really are.
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I mean, it's just extraordinary, and I love
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she at a time when men
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didn't necessarily, certainly not presidents,
18:40
privilege and prioritize their wives'
18:42
views so much, she really had
18:44
such a strong voice. And I
18:46
also love the way, even though he was a one term
18:48
president and sort of ended in humiliation
18:51
in a certain way, they just
18:53
use that as a starting point to do
18:56
the kind of work they wanted to do, and they did
18:58
that individually and together forever,
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and I just what more can
19:02
you really ask for from a love?
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I'm not sure, No, I agree.
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I agree that there was such dynamic
19:09
humility in their relationship
19:11
that was pretty astonishing,
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because you're right where it ended was
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just the beginning of what their life's work was
19:18
actually going to be. In actual fact, his
19:21
presidentship was the addendum to what
19:23
was this unbelievably full, amazing
19:26
life. I mean, remember when they put
19:28
the solar panels up, Remember when there was the
19:31
whole kind of ecoization
19:33
of the White House, and how that was just sort of torn
19:36
down at the end of his presidency, but they
19:38
carried it all on. I think you're
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right. I think that's a really beautiful testament
19:42
to love. I love that you
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think love is corny.
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That's so funny, well
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talking about it, I mean as a subject,
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it's just not something I would ever say.
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I'm writing about love.
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I can't wait because I bet you do. Oh
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my god, I really want you to write about love. Now,
19:59
come on, it would be He's so good. I'll
20:01
be in it. I'll be in your awful,
20:03
corny book about love. I'll be a minor
20:05
character.
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Please come and inspire me Mannie, because
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right now I got nothing.
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Oh I got I love. I just keep trying
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to insert myself in your books. It's really
20:17
weird and great. I think that's cool.
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Everybody writes about love. I like that you don't
20:21
want to write about it. The thing is, I
20:24
keep thinking that you have written about love, like
20:26
when I think about Goon Squad, like it's
20:29
full of love. Yeah, love is
20:31
there, right, But you're not writing about love and
20:33
people being in love as it were.
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Yeah for me, I mean, of course, anything
20:38
that anyone thinks my work is about
20:40
is true. You know, it's in the hands of the
20:43
reader. But in my mind,
20:46
love is something that happens
20:48
while you're writing about other things.
20:50
Right.
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I don't know why, but that's how I think of
20:54
it. It can't be a subject unto itself.
20:56
It almost feels like it's not interesting enough.
20:59
Huh, has to.
21:00
Be there alongside
21:02
something more complicated, more
21:05
challenging.
21:06
Yeah. I mean maybe it's because love isn't a
21:09
thing. It's an amalgam of all
21:11
these different things, which I only realized that
21:14
quite recently.
21:15
You know, my husband and I had in exchange when
21:17
our older son was really little, and I said,
21:20
he said, I love you, And
21:22
I said to my husband, but I don't think he knows
21:24
what it means.
21:26
And my husband said, do you.
21:30
Oh my god, your husband said that to you. That's
21:33
hysterical. Your husband's funny.
21:35
Who is so laugh about it. He's very funny.
21:38
It's really funny.
21:39
So now they'll say, I love you, but I don't know what
21:41
it means.
21:42
Which is true?
21:57
What person, place, or experience
22:00
most altered your life.
22:02
I think it would be New York City actually,
22:04
because I'm from the Midwest.
22:07
I was born in Chicago, and I grew up in San Francisco.
22:09
I knew I wanted to move to New York before I'd
22:12
ever been to New York. And I've lived here
22:14
really my whole adult life, and
22:16
it's just the perfect place
22:18
for me.
22:19
I mean, I'm very curious. I'm nosy
22:21
I would go that far.
22:22
I love street life, I like watching
22:25
people. I like to be invisible
22:27
and just watch the rest of
22:29
the world. It's just full of life.
22:32
It's full of so many industries, and
22:35
ninety percent of them or more couldn't
22:37
care less about the publishing industry, or
22:39
rarely even know that it exists. And
22:42
I love that that there's so much happening,
22:45
and there's interesting stuff everywhere
22:48
I look and listen. And I've
22:50
also gotten very involved in New York history,
22:53
and I think some of that was a result of nine
22:55
to eleven because I lived here and
22:57
during that time and actually heard one of the planes
23:00
hit.
23:00
Oh my God.
23:01
And I think that led me and many others
23:04
to think about what it was like to live in New York during
23:06
World War Two, and that led me down a massive
23:09
research rabbit hole, and
23:11
I ended up writing Manhattan Beach. Now
23:13
I'm interested in nineteenth century New
23:15
York, so I think it's fair to say
23:17
that New York has kind of become a muse
23:19
for me.
23:20
It's pretty extraordinary to have known that you're going to
23:22
move to a place like do you think
23:24
that that is a prescient
23:26
knowledge that if we tune in hard enough
23:29
we can find these guide posts,
23:31
that they're actually there, these signposts, and
23:34
we just maybe don't listen to them.
23:35
I don't know.
23:36
There must be some that I didn't listen to,
23:39
or that I did listen.
23:40
To and were wrong.
23:41
But there's just something about New
23:43
York. It feels inexhaustible.
23:46
And I'm a very place driven
23:49
person. Like even in my work, I really
23:51
start with a time and a place, not people
23:54
or any kind of plot.
23:57
So physical circumstances
24:00
mean an enormous amount to me.
24:02
And somehow New York with
24:04
its depth of history,
24:07
which we have so much less of here
24:09
in the United States than, for example, you
24:11
do in Britain. But in New York there
24:14
is actually enough history on this
24:16
place that you can feel
24:18
it in the buildings, in the streets,
24:21
there are cobblestones sort of coming
24:24
up here and there, and I like that
24:26
sense of embedded history
24:28
in this place. I mean, by the way, what I just said
24:30
ignores the fact that there
24:32
is a long history of Native Americans
24:35
in what became the United States, whose
24:38
presence we eradicated
24:40
by essentially destroying them. So
24:42
obviously what I'm talking about is the history
24:44
of Western Europeans here and not
24:47
the original inhabitants of America.
24:50
But New York holds a lot for me.
24:52
It holds a lot of its own history,
24:54
and then also my personal history because it's
24:56
a relatively small place where I've now
24:58
lived since the late eighties, and I
25:01
feel my own memories
25:04
embedded in all
25:06
of its different neighborhoods, and then I
25:08
also feel this kind of collective memory
25:10
of so much life that's happened here, really
25:13
for hundreds of years.
25:14
Now. Ah, Jennifer, thank you
25:16
so much for talking to me. Thank you
25:18
so much. I mean, I could honestly ask you a
25:21
goodjillion more questions, and I will when
25:23
I'm next stalking you in Brooklyn.
25:25
I'm going to look for you in my neighborhood and
25:28
we'll have some tea and we'll feel be.
25:29
Having coffee, and Jennifer,
25:32
Hi, it'll be like the end of
25:34
Saltburn. If you haven't seen that, I
25:37
can't believe that you get your coffee here.
25:40
Well, then you're going to come over and you're going to enter
25:42
into my book.
25:44
Hoah, got a plan. So
25:46
excited. Thank you really, thank
25:48
you so much.
25:49
It was such a pleasure.
25:53
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