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Episode 5. Hey,

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sis. Have you done it? Have

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you booked flights? I've told you, it's

1:40

fine. I've booked us an Airbnb in

1:42

France. I've packed and we're leaving

1:44

very shortly. Don't tell me exactly where

1:46

you're going. I won't. You just have to take

1:48

her far away from me. This

1:50

will all be over very soon. One more

1:52

day and then she'll be safe. Do

1:55

you want to say goodbye to her? She's in my bedroom

1:57

trying on my high heels at the moment. No.

2:00

I'll get upset. Are

2:02

you going to be all right, Beth? I'll

2:05

call you when it's over. This

2:11

way. Wow.

2:16

Have you been burgled? Oh,

2:19

I never have visitors, as

2:22

you can see. What's that in the corner? A

2:25

soundproof cupboard. I built it for recording

2:27

the podcast. This

2:29

is how you live? For the

2:31

last few years. Are you going to lock the

2:33

door? Sure. Here's

2:40

the key. Don't give it

2:42

back to me, whatever happens. Where's the

2:44

spare? On desk drawer. I'll

2:48

take that too. Thanks. Does

2:51

that help put your mind at ease? Not

2:54

really. We have a plan. Under

2:56

hypnosis, you saw me holding her dead body

2:59

outside your house. So I

3:01

have to remain locked in here. You

3:03

keep me here. Don't take your

3:05

eyes off me. What if you tried to get

3:07

the key? Don't let that happen. I mean, use

3:09

violence to stop me if need be. If

3:11

I'm in my rational mind, I won't try

3:13

and leave. That's not very reassuring. We

3:16

don't know what power the traveller might

3:18

have. Explain what we're using? Electronic

3:21

voice phenomena, or EVP.

3:24

It's a method of communication between

3:26

incarnate and discarnate people. You'll

3:29

sit in the soundproof space and ask a

3:31

series of questions. I'll be outside recording the

3:33

air around you on multiple mics. When we

3:35

play it back, we'll see what comes through

3:38

the background noise. Discarnate

3:40

people? People with no physical

3:42

form. You mean dead people? They

3:45

may be dead, in some respects. It's

3:48

arguable. Okay.

3:56

I think so. You? I

3:59

have high hopes. The

4:01

technique was first developed in the

4:03

1960s by a scientist called Konstantin

4:06

Raudevar, Latvian. He had

4:08

incredible results. You know the

4:10

questions? Yes. Ask

4:13

them over and over in the same order. I'll

4:16

talk you through the relaxation exercises so you

4:19

enter a meditative state. Okay. Close

4:23

your eyes. Focus

4:26

on regulating your breathing. In.

4:32

Out. Now,

4:36

you can see the staircase descending. There

4:39

are five steps. I

4:42

will walk you down them one at a time. Continue

4:45

to breathe deeply. That's

4:49

it. I'm

4:51

counting you down. One.

4:55

Two. Three.

4:58

Four. Five.

5:02

I'm recording. Traveller,

5:09

are you here now? What

5:13

are you? What

5:15

do you want with us? Are

5:20

you here now? What

5:23

are you? What

5:25

do you want with us? Can

5:31

you hear that? What?

5:35

I'll play it again and turn it up. It's

5:41

just white noise. There's

5:43

something there. Let me

5:45

just route it through some extra

5:47

filters. I'm

5:51

going to go back to the room. I'm

5:54

going to go back to the room. Extra

5:56

filters. Can

6:02

you hear it now? Time

6:04

to go to hell. Is

6:07

that what it said? You've watched too many horror

6:09

films. Yes. What

6:13

words are you getting? Time

6:16

to go, Bluebell. Gem,

6:21

are you OK? Yeah, I just

6:24

need a break. Where are you going? I

6:26

just need a bathroom. Is that

6:28

all right with you? Right. Are

6:30

you ready to go again? Are you ready? Why

6:37

wouldn't I be? Something

6:43

is going on with you. I'm fine. Just

6:46

concentrate on what we're doing. Steady

6:50

your breath. OK.

6:56

OK. I can see the staircase. I'll

7:00

count you down. One.

7:06

Two. Three.

7:11

Four. Five.

7:15

This is it then. This

7:18

is it. Are

7:23

you here now? I

7:26

am here. What

7:32

are you? What

7:34

do you want with us? From

7:38

death to life. What

7:40

does that mean? From

7:42

death to life. Why

7:45

do you keep saying that? What

7:48

does it mean? What

7:53

happened? The cupboard door came off its hinges.

7:56

I didn't touch it. No one touched it. You listen to

7:58

me. on headphones? Yes.

8:02

Did you hear it? I heard it.

8:04

My NDE. I was back in it. I

8:07

heard it all. How is that possible? How did

8:09

you hear it? It was in my head. I

8:11

don't know. Play back the recording. It's

8:19

nothing. It didn't record.

8:23

What's happened? The

8:26

computer's shut down. It's just

8:28

died. I

8:30

don't know what's going on here. Beth,

8:33

oh my god. What? Look

8:35

in the mirror. Well,

8:39

my hair's standing on end. Static

8:41

electricity. Move

8:44

to the other side of the room. Is

8:47

it stopping? Yeah. It's

8:50

that corner by the cupboard. There's

8:54

something there. What? What's

8:57

there? Hold on.

9:03

What is that? EMF

9:06

detector. What? Electromagnetic

9:08

field detector. It's

9:10

a meter that records electromagnetic

9:13

radiation. Anything strange beyond

9:15

the normal background interference of electrical appliances,

9:17

power lines, etc. can be a sign

9:19

of paranormal

9:21

presence. Really? That bit of plastic.

9:24

Looks like you bought it on Amazon. I did. What

9:31

is it? I've

9:36

never seen anything like that

9:38

before. The readings

9:40

are crazy. The

9:42

needle's all over the place. It's got

9:44

cold too. Really,

9:47

really cold. Do you

9:49

feel that? Yeah. Oh

9:52

my god! What's

9:55

going on, Gem? I

9:57

saw it fall. It didn't just drop. You

10:00

flew off the wall. She... it... It

10:04

isn't happy with us talking to it.

10:07

This isn't safe. We're locked in here

10:09

with this thing. It's not benign

10:11

and it's too powerful. Okay, okay. Let's

10:15

go to the kitchen. By the kitchen. I just

10:17

want to get out of here. This

10:27

is horrible. Why

10:29

you? That's the question. Why

10:32

did it latch onto you while you were dead?

10:35

Was it just bad luck? No, no, no, no.

10:37

There must be a reason. It almost

10:40

feels like it... it knows me. What

10:42

makes you say that? Losing

10:45

Sami is my biggest fear.

10:48

Ever since Andrew died, I've just

10:50

worried about something happening to her

10:53

pretty much every waking moment. You

10:55

think you've manifested it somehow? Maybe

10:58

I worried so much. I've made my worst

11:00

fears come true. It's natural to

11:02

feel guilty. You're talking

11:04

about your daughter? Bluebell.

11:10

What? That

11:13

was our nickname for her. Bluebell?

11:17

As in the recording? Yeah. Why

11:20

didn't you tell me? I don't know. I was in

11:22

shock. It knows about

11:24

her as well. I

11:26

didn't manifest that. I

11:28

didn't know that was her name. From death to

11:31

life. Perhaps...

11:33

What? I

11:36

can't say it out loud. Tell me. Is

11:38

it her wanting to come back to life? Is

11:42

she trying to reach me? It doesn't

11:44

mean that. How do you know? Maybe

11:47

my little girl is coming back to

11:49

me, Beth. It's not her. Whatever

11:52

is in that room is pure

11:54

evil, Gem. It said her name. This

11:58

isn't working. Get

20:00

with you! It's

20:05

Roz. Hello?

20:07

Why aren't you picking up your calls? What do

20:09

you mean? You sent me a text saying if

20:12

the worst happens and you never see me again,

20:14

please tell Sammy that I always loved her. Me

20:16

and Mum are beside ourselves with worry. We're

20:19

coming over. You're in France with Sammy? We're

20:22

staying at Mum's. We never went to France.

20:24

Just said that to stop you freaking out.

20:26

I was hoping that once you had a

20:28

little break away from parenting it'd be okay,

20:30

but I was obviously wrong. How could you

20:32

have been so stupid? I'm

20:35

with the professor here. It's not safe. You're

20:37

the one who is not safe. That's why

20:39

we're coming over right now. Just keep it

20:41

together until we get there. Don't

20:44

bring Sammy. Roz? Well, we're not

20:46

going to leave her in the house on her

20:48

own, are we? Please don't bring Sammy. She's

20:51

coming over. She's bringing her. It's all

20:54

coming true. There's only one

20:56

way out of this. What? I'm

20:59

the issue here. Not you. I'm

21:02

the one who causes Sammy's death in the

21:04

vision. Maybe it's time

21:06

for me to have an NDE of my own.

21:09

How? If you

21:11

don't want to come back to life, then

21:14

it's really not that difficult. No, Gem. You

21:16

get to save your daughter and I get

21:18

to see Bluebell again. That's all

21:21

I really want. I'm not going to let you do

21:23

that. Well, you don't have a choice. What are you

21:25

going to do? I'm

21:27

going to go now. No. Don't do this. Look,

21:29

it's okay. I'm ready. I'm ready to go. You

21:31

can't do that, Gem. We have to find another

21:33

way. Look, please.

21:35

Just let me get by. We

21:38

have to find another way.

21:40

I can't, Beth. I can't.

21:51

She died because

21:54

I didn't look after her well enough. She

22:00

was getting better and I put her to

22:02

bed. And

22:04

I didn't check on her all night. I

22:08

was too busy working on my laptop. I

22:13

could have saved her. Can

22:22

I tell you something? What?

22:27

It's something I've never told a soul. Okay.

22:34

The night Andrew died we had

22:36

a huge row. So?

22:40

I said some terrible things. I

22:42

told him it was all over and I wanted

22:44

him to leave. I said

22:46

I couldn't stand being anywhere near him anymore. That

22:49

he wasn't a very good father. I

22:52

said I hated him. Did

22:54

you mean it? At the

22:56

time I did but it was just a nasty row.

23:00

We were going through a bad patch. I

23:02

would have said sorry the next day. He might have forgiven me.

23:06

Maybe we could have got over it. He

23:08

was so upset he went off to the pub

23:10

and drank a skin fall. When

23:13

I calmed down I knew he'd been awful. I

23:16

nearly texted him but I was still too angry

23:18

and proud so I didn't. I

23:20

thought I'd let him stew until the morning. There

23:24

was a lock-in at the pub. He

23:27

kept drinking. At

23:30

1am he cycled home along the dual carriageway. That's

23:33

when he was killed. I

23:36

will never tell my family. They

23:41

will never know why he got so drunk that night. I

23:45

killed him, Gem. It was my

23:47

fault. Look,

23:53

look! What?

23:57

She's here. The

23:59

traveller? You can see her

24:01

too. She's terrifying. Why

24:03

can you see her? Well,

24:06

maybe I'm close to death.

24:10

Maybe because we're

24:12

both guilty. She's

24:14

angry. She's so angry

24:16

with us. From death

24:19

to life. What

24:21

does she mean? Can

24:24

you hear that? Birdsong.

24:28

We've got him with the gate at the end. The

24:30

sun is going down. Yeah, yeah,

24:33

I see. It's beautiful and mysterious.

24:36

There's a man walking towards us. He's

24:38

carrying something. It's

24:40

you, Gem. From the NDE. You're

24:42

carrying Sami. She's

24:44

dead. It's coming through now. Look, look.

24:48

It's not Sami though. It's not

24:50

Sami in my arms. It's

24:54

Bluebell. I

25:00

picked her up off the bed and held her. After

25:04

the nurses had turned off the monotism. Taken

25:08

out the drips. At the same

25:10

moment I lay in Andrew's arms. They

25:12

just turned off his life support. From

25:15

death to life, sweetheart. Andrew?

25:20

Is that you? From

25:22

death to life. Are you coming

25:24

back to me, Bluebell? Please,

25:28

please come back to me. We

25:31

have to let them go. We have

25:33

to live. Open

25:39

the door! Beth,

25:46

are you okay? I think so. Have you

25:48

done what you needed to do? I missed

25:50

you, Mum. Come here. It's

25:54

over now. It's over. Welcome

26:03

back to Track Doom, a

26:06

podcast about near-death experience. For

26:09

many, NDEs are the catalyst that

26:11

opens a door into a completely

26:13

new way of being human. How

26:17

can we harness the insights they

26:19

bring to transform our society and

26:22

relieve our never-ending cycle of

26:25

suffering? Today, I

26:27

will be talking with Rebecca,

26:30

who changed her life completely

26:32

after dying on the operating

26:34

table. I

26:39

thought you'd appreciate the setting. Back

26:42

in a cemetery. Seemed fitting. How's

26:45

Sammy? She's doing very well. She's

26:48

off on Brownie camp this weekend. Oh. How

26:50

are you? I heard your latest podcast. It

26:52

was great. I've

26:56

been studying the EVP tapes.

26:59

Did it record what happened? No.

27:02

But there is a small fragment of

27:04

a voice. Is it her? It's

27:06

her. I'm sure of it.

27:09

Bluebell. Hmm. I'm

27:12

gonna keep trying. Life

27:14

goes on. Life goes on. Death

27:17

goes on. It

27:19

does. Do

27:22

you want to get out of here? Go

27:24

for a walk. Okay. Good.

27:28

Shall we say goodbye to the discarnate people on the way

27:30

out? Why not? Where

27:37

does death start and where

27:39

does death end? There

27:41

are answers waiting for us in the

27:44

place between life and death if

27:46

we are brave enough to ask

27:48

the questions and believe the messengers.

27:52

This is Chak Do. A

27:54

podcast from the Realm of the Dead.

27:57

Join me as we learn what

27:59

it means. to die and more

28:03

importantly what

28:05

it means to live. In

28:21

episode 5 of 11 minutes dead Beth

28:23

was played by Scarlett Brooks and Jen

28:26

by Paul Reddy. Stefan

28:28

was Mark Adel Hunt, Roz

28:31

Claire Lands, the traveler

28:33

Maureen Beatty and Sammy was

28:35

Mabel Creswell. Sound

28:38

Design was by Peter Ringrose.

28:40

11 minutes dead was written

28:42

by Lucy Catherine and the

28:44

director was Sasha Yavtechenko. It

28:47

was a BBC Studios audio production for

28:49

Radio 4. From

28:57

BBC Radio 4 Britain's biggest

28:59

paranormal podcast is

29:01

going on a road trip. I

29:04

thought in that moment oh

29:06

my god we've summoned something from this

29:08

board. This

29:12

is Uncanny USA. He

29:15

says somebody's in the house

29:17

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