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dude, now we're in the do. We're

1:28

in the do. And we're finally in the do

1:30

where you wanted where you've wanted to be for

1:32

weeks now. Whatever. I saw

1:34

this cuz I was excited about

1:36

finding like a good, meaty, poltergeist

1:39

story. Sure. This is where it started. Yeah

1:41

and it's... it's like it's funny cuz then

1:43

we called in, like I wanted

1:45

to get a response from the government

1:47

of Humpty-Doo, right? And we

1:50

did calls. So first thing I did offer a

1:52

Snickers to the child that

1:54

runs the city. I

1:57

offered him the Snickers. He

1:59

said... And then we fought

2:01

for a while, you know, but

2:03

then afterwards he listened to my story. No, we talked

2:05

to, we tried to talk to the local government of

2:07

Humpty Doo to find out, I was like, this is

2:09

this huge- They're not gonna acknowledge it. Both of us

2:11

know it, but this is, they literally came back, we

2:14

were like, we have no idea what you're talking about.

2:16

And I was like, this is a coverup. I mean,

2:18

this is a coverup. To be fair, this happened 30

2:20

years ago. It's not, but it's

2:22

modern times. You should have just started calling

2:24

random old people. I honestly, I tried

2:27

to. I wish I could.

2:29

I don't know how the phone numbers

2:32

work. They're longer than ours. Welcome to

2:34

the last podcast on the left, ladies

2:36

and gentlemen, my name's Marcus Parks. I'm

2:38

here with the confused about telephones, Henry

2:40

Zabowski. I got my coffee. That's nice.

2:43

And Ed Larson, who presumably knows how

2:45

to use a phone. That's right. And

2:47

I'm ready to get stoned in Humpty

2:49

Doo. Sounds nice.

2:51

We're not gonna get weed yet though. No,

2:53

it's a stone as a reference to all

2:55

the stones that the ghost in Australia throw.

2:57

I guess I'm just, I'm hankering. I'm

3:00

hankering and I need it. Now,

3:02

before we get to the story of the

3:04

haunting at Humpty Doo, which is gonna involve

3:07

even more stones than the guy who goes.

3:09

Holy shit. Let's. No

3:11

fucking way. Let's

3:13

visit the Australian city of Canberra for

3:16

a story that takes place over a

3:18

five year period that surprisingly spans the

3:20

early to mid 90s. This

3:23

is kind of like, I've this story technically

3:25

has Maxine vibes. Yeah, well, yeah, I guess

3:27

it does. Yeah. Sexy ladies.

3:29

Joe, is it Canberra or Canberra?

3:34

Canberra. Canberra. It's the city of Canberra.

3:36

That's why I asked. We're learning and

3:38

growing. Now I say

3:40

surprisingly because stories like these tend to happen

3:42

in the late 19th, early 20th century because

3:46

of the hauntings various locations. It's true. And

3:48

I love we're finally getting into the 90s,

3:50

man. That's what Gen Z

3:52

likes. See, this is big

3:54

pants, little glasses. It looks stupid, just like

3:56

we did. Yeah. See, this

3:58

is not just the story of. a haunted brothel,

4:01

but rather the tale of a

4:03

haunted sex worker who made her

4:05

poltergeist a feature in her sexual

4:07

escapades. Now, not haunted like a

4:09

normal sex worker. No, no, no,

4:11

no, no, no. No. No,

4:14

that's the end. She's haunted by outside things.

4:16

She's haunted by a poltergeist. Yeah, it's not

4:18

within her. No. The woman

4:20

in question was Liz Fleming, who left the sex work

4:22

game in 1997 to become a social

4:25

worker. When she was still

4:27

in the business, she went

4:30

by the name Caressa and

4:32

even wrote a book about

4:34

her experiences called Caressa from

4:36

Call Girl to God's Child.

4:38

Apparently, we had a very

4:40

low prep run. We

4:42

couldn't get a hold of a copy. God's

4:44

Child could still have sex like a

4:47

fucking Tom Cap. Yeah. That's

4:49

right. Look at me. They want

4:51

them to, in fact. The Pope was just like, don't have dogs,

4:53

have kids. This is Poltergeist

4:55

Experiences began in Australia's capital city

4:57

of Canberra. Canberra? Yeah.

5:01

Capital city of Canberra in 1992. The

5:04

same year the brothels were legalized in

5:06

Australia. Brothels were legalized in Australia? Since

5:08

1992. What? Yeah,

5:11

it's been decriminalized since 1992. You're

5:13

not supposed to do it on the street. You're supposed

5:15

to do it in like in a brothel, but yeah,

5:17

it's been decriminalized for over 30 years. But

5:20

my wife's coming. The

5:25

brothel where Liz began her career

5:27

had experienced a bit of paranormal

5:29

activity before she arrived. But once

5:31

she walked through those doors, the

5:33

poltergeist attached itself and started putting

5:35

on a show. Objects

5:38

like pencils, knives, shoes, and candles

5:40

began disappearing and or flying with

5:42

great force at Liz's feet or

5:44

at people. But they never flew

5:46

hard enough to hurt anyone, just

5:48

like the Stones and the Guyra

5:50

Ghost story. But while the other

5:52

girls were terrified, Liz found the

5:54

phenomena entertaining. Now this is a

5:56

common theme in all of these

5:59

Australian stories. From

8:00

what it said is that the- Like when your dog's in the

8:02

room? Well,

8:04

the poltergeist was already there when she

8:07

arrived, but as we'll talk about here

8:09

in a bit, it does seem like

8:11

that sometimes the sex did up the

8:13

ante a little bit. Now,

8:17

because the poltergeist was so dis- It was

8:19

just the term up the ante. I'm sorry,

8:21

man. I'm fucking fading fast. I have been

8:23

slept in a long time. You're doing great.

8:25

Yeah, and that just looks so- questions are

8:27

going to be hard. Okay. All

8:30

right. Well, on Liz's command,

8:32

it was said that she could get

8:34

her poltergeist to move baseball bats and

8:36

a potted palm tree that she kept

8:38

in her room. And that's how you

8:40

know that this is way before the

8:42

time period of OnlyFans and all that

8:44

stuff, because you know that poltergeist would

8:46

be delivering buttplucks. I

8:49

feel like a little bit of a waste

8:51

because it's nice that she's making them dance,

8:53

but she's not using it to make herself

8:55

come. Yeah, that's true. Now,

8:58

Liz became curious as to why this

9:00

was all happening to her specifically. So

9:02

she contacted a woman named Monica Hamers

9:04

who belonged to a group called the

9:06

Canberra Skeptics. And it's weird

9:08

because it's the Canberra Skeptics, but it

9:11

does not sound like they're skeptical in any

9:13

way whatsoever. That's another thing. That's

9:15

why you can't really trust anybody that

9:18

says it's a skeptic group because sometimes

9:20

it's so skeptical of being skeptical, they're

9:22

actually too open-minded. And if

9:24

they show up and they say it's a

9:27

part of a skeptic society, they act. It

9:29

shows like, oh no, but we're thinkers thinkers.

9:31

But actually a lot of times it's if

9:33

you've skeptic yourself into being a moron. Also

9:35

good day to be a skeptic when you

9:38

got called up to go check out the

9:40

brothel. Oh yeah, of course. Because then hopefully

9:43

you get a couple of tugs. It's

9:46

work. I gotta go, honey. Monica

9:50

put Liz under hypnosis where Liz saw

9:52

a shepherd of some kind. Monica

9:55

suggested that Liz leave a tube of

9:57

lipstick open near her mirror so the

9:59

shepherd friend

12:00

named Teresa said that all she had

12:02

to do was be on the phone

12:04

with Liz to experience paranormal activity. Teresa

12:06

said that the poltergeist caused her car

12:09

to stall out. It smashed a vase

12:11

and caused the electronics in her house

12:13

to malfunction. One of Liz's

12:16

clients, a man named Ray, who's a fucking

12:18

John. If I ever heard, Oh yeah. He

12:20

said that one

12:26

time he locked his keys in his

12:28

truck and asked Liz to request help

12:30

from one of her poltergeists. Liz called

12:32

upon the spirit named Matt and Ray

12:34

said that the keys subsequently dropped onto

12:36

the bedroom floor from thin air. Interesting.

12:39

Another client, David, said that

12:41

he saw the potted plant

12:43

move around and he also

12:45

saw three potatoes appear from

12:47

out of nowhere and fly

12:50

across the room. Because for

12:52

some reason potatoes were actually

12:54

a favorite object of these

12:56

poltergeists. They love potatoes, tasty

12:58

rocks. Do you think the

13:00

guys were coming in the

13:02

plant? Perhaps

13:05

the strangest event, however, occurred as three

13:07

clients were waiting for Liz to finish

13:09

with customer number four. They

13:11

said that a baby stroller rolled

13:14

across the room untouched, followed by

13:16

two potatoes and a gold

13:18

painted rock that appeared and bounced on

13:20

the floor. Nothing I like seeing better

13:22

at my brothel appointment is several baby

13:24

strollers. No one gets me

13:26

in the mood more than a parasol. No,

13:29

what I don't want to see at

13:31

my brothel's appointment is a line of

13:34

dudes. Give a 15 minute breather in

13:36

between. We

13:41

don't need to stack these. I

13:43

don't want to also all these.

13:46

They'll be like, Oh bitch, y'all

13:48

do it better. That's

13:50

sad. Because if a guy rails are real good

13:53

though, right before you have to go like, Oh

13:55

now I can go back clean up. But

13:58

it wasn't over. After all

14:00

that, pieces of rolled up bark fell

14:02

through the ceiling, which were accompanied by

14:05

the appearance of a coin and a

14:07

key. All of this happened over

14:09

the course of 25 minutes while these

14:11

men were waiting around to have sex with

14:13

Liz. After hearing all

14:15

these stories though, Ken Llewellyn himself

14:18

had an experience. While

14:20

talking with Liz, he pulled out a cigarette

14:22

and found that he didn't have a lighter.

14:25

Just instantly, a small red lighter

14:27

appeared and fell on the floor.

14:30

It worked perfectly and Ken presumably

14:32

kept it as a souvenir of

14:34

his experience. That's cool. Ghosts

14:37

are flirting. Yeah. Unfortunately

14:39

though, this story does have a sad ending.

14:42

Liz Fleming died by suicide in 1997

14:44

at the age of 42, but hypnotist

14:47

Monica Hamer said that she communicated with

14:49

Liz's spirit who said that she was

14:51

happy and in a beautiful place with

14:53

Marty and all her other spirit friends,

14:56

if that makes you feel any better. I

14:59

talked to her and she's fine. She's

15:01

fine. She's fine. You can

15:03

forget about her. Can

15:06

you imagine you die by committing suicide?

15:09

You go to heaven to see your ghost friends. And

15:12

in my mind, what if it's like the reveal,

15:14

like the Patty Hearst reveal? Like

15:16

in your mind, you think, oh,

15:18

sexy ghosts. I'm going to

15:20

have a good sexy ghost boyfriend or whatever

15:22

when I'm dead in heaven. No, it's Roscoe.

15:24

Yeah, it's Roscoe. And then you meet him

15:27

and it's like, hi. I

15:30

knew if you just met each

15:32

other, you could see through all

15:34

my physical deformities. You

15:36

know, and you're like, fuck. God,

15:38

I should have went with Ken. Yeah,

15:40

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15:43

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24:03

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are working quite a bit in the Congo. The

24:17

residents of 90 McMinn's Drive, slightly

24:19

annoyed, moved inside. But the pebbles,

24:21

no larger than the gravel that

24:23

made up their driveway, followed them.

24:26

The pebbles fell on their floors, tables,

24:28

and heads. But again, like the guy

24:30

repultergeist, the stones were dry and warm,

24:33

despite the fact that it was raining

24:35

outside. One of the housemates

24:37

grabbed a ladder to check the attic to

24:39

see if maybe there was some explanation. But

24:41

as soon as the ceiling hatch was

24:43

opened, he was showered with even more

24:45

pebbles than before. But besides

24:48

the pebbles, knives, small batteries, wrenches, and

24:50

shards of broken glass that were dropped

24:52

from the air, or hurled across the

24:54

room on that first night, no

24:56

one again was injured. Do you

24:59

have a theory about why they don't

25:01

get hit? I have no

25:03

idea. Because I think it goes back to

25:05

the trickster phenomenon that you were talking about,

25:07

where I don't think they really want to

25:10

hurt anyone. Because it seems like an... I

25:12

don't know why in America and in the

25:14

UK, poltergeist are fucking angry all the time.

25:18

They're really trying to hurt you. They're

25:20

trying to make your life absolutely fucking miserable.

25:22

But in Australia, it seems like they're just

25:24

trying to say hi. Well, yeah, it does

25:26

feel like a fairy-fay-weirdo

25:28

scenario, way more in

25:31

the high strangeness realm.

25:34

I was thinking gnomes. Yeah, it's very similar to

25:36

that. I talked about the cobolds. Also

25:39

they don't travel fast, so they could be

25:41

getting hit, and it's just not affecting them.

25:44

And they're just getting flicked. Well, some objects,

25:46

however, were destroyed. Over the following days, a

25:49

CD player was broken. Fuck. Several

25:51

windows and glass. How am I gonna lift up my

25:53

fucking live albums that we all do as delivers to

25:55

us in this time period?

25:58

I don't know. I love you. visiting

34:00

the house when they saw a number

34:02

of pebbles almost instantly form themselves into

34:04

a cross that was so perfectly put

34:06

together that it would have taken many

34:09

hours to make by hand. Dave

34:11

Clark, Dave Clark, Dave Clark, Dave Clark, Dave Clark,

34:16

however, touched the cross and when

34:27

he touched the cross it basically exploded

34:30

in a shower of pebbles. Not exploded,

34:32

it more went like

34:35

a Skivels commercial. But

34:37

speaking of crosses, the Poltergeist apparently loved

34:39

to play with the crucifix that Father

34:41

English had left behind. The

34:43

artifact would disappear, reappear, and fly through

34:46

the air, but it was only one

34:48

of the Poltergeist's three favorite objects. It

34:50

also loved playing with the homemade bottle

34:52

opener that had a spark plug for

34:54

a handle, and it

34:56

particularly enjoyed a small silver skull.

34:59

The Poltergeist also loved knives, 44 Magnum

35:02

bullets, and Father English's Bible,

35:05

which was thrown around so much that

35:07

it became battered and worn. I love

35:09

playing throw the Bible. I

35:12

hate playing catch the Bible. Now

35:15

eventually the Humpty Doo Poltergeist started

35:17

drawing media attention, and several reporters

35:19

observed the showers of stones. As

35:21

the author of Australian Poltergeist put

35:23

it, after hearing the story, journalists

35:26

swooped in quote, like seagulls

35:29

onto the proverbial sick prawn.

35:31

And what proverb is

35:33

the sick prawn feature? That's what I was wondering.

35:35

I'm so glad that the proverb of the seagull

35:37

and the prawn- I have not heard of one.

35:39

It doesn't need to be sick. No, it doesn't

35:41

need to be. Actually I think that hurts the

35:43

seagull if the prawn is sick. Well, sick prawns

35:45

are easier to catch. I don't think

35:48

they're even that hard to catch when they're healthy. Isn't

35:50

that the proverb? Is that sometimes the easier

35:53

thing to catch is the thing that is

35:55

not what you need. You think you need

35:57

it, but it is better to catch the

35:59

healthy prawn. than the sick prawn and to

36:01

not go for the easy thing because you

36:03

need the hard thing instead to make you

36:05

feel good. That's the key to the proverbial

36:07

sick prawn. I just made up a proverb.

36:10

Wow. Yeah, no, it makes sense though because

36:12

things that are loved taste better. Yeah. Not

36:15

lambs. We'll find out

36:17

tonight. On

36:21

April 4th, a presenter named Greg Quayle

36:23

from the show, I don't know if

36:25

this show name is fucking horrible, fine

36:27

or really clever.

36:30

It's called Today Tonight. Yeah, it's fun. It's

36:33

like last week tonight. Yeah. They

36:35

arrived with a four man camera

36:37

crew. With them was a journalist

36:39

named Max Anderson who would research

36:41

the methods of a skeptic from

36:43

the Chiara College of Metaphysics in

36:45

Sydney. So he was obviously there

36:47

to disprove the whole thing. This

36:49

is very interesting. I watched all

36:51

of this coverage. And this guy,

36:53

he really is, first of all,

36:55

I will say, Australian television really

36:57

does feature the chest hair of

36:59

their reporters more than any other

37:01

country that I've seen. Each one

37:03

of the reporters, I saw

37:05

their nipples. It's a chest hair

37:07

heavy country. Which makes me feel comfortable. But

37:11

this man, he's haunted. He's very much

37:13

like, I came here to

37:15

destroy this story. And when my, it

37:17

was like, we wanted to debunk this

37:19

entirely. My crew is now scared. We've

37:22

been inside of this scenario for the last couple,

37:25

and it was like, it was really awesome. It

37:28

felt like I was watching Ghostwatch. Yeah,

37:30

nice. I love Ghostwatch. But

37:32

then, you know, there's a little bit. But while

37:34

the crew was obviously there to prove the hoax,

37:36

they were unable to find any evidence of interference.

37:39

They had seven cameras set up for

37:41

constant surveillance. And while their footage was

37:43

scant, they also couldn't catch anything to

37:45

explain it. It was truly boring in

37:47

the most paranormal sense of it. Yep,

37:49

the way it always should be. Apparently,

37:52

all they could capture was a baby bottle

37:54

falling off a microwave and a bullet falling

37:56

and bouncing off the furniture, which is hardly

37:58

proof of the pair of normal.

38:05

But cameraman David Davidson noted that every

38:07

time he went to change tapes or

38:09

a battery that was when the poltergeist

38:11

threw something that would have been quite

38:13

impressive if it was caught on

38:15

film. To further drive the

38:18

point home messages were left for

38:20

the TV crew messages like no

38:22

cameras no TV and pig camera.

38:25

Oh yeah camera pig sounds

38:27

much better. Today tonight's visit

38:29

however was

38:35

actually the first time anyone was actually hurt

38:37

at 99 McMinn's. Apparently the

38:39

poltergeist hated the camera crew. One

38:41

of the crew got hit in the head by

38:43

a flying double-a battery but even though it hurt

38:46

it left no mark or bruise. So

38:48

even when they tried being nasty it

38:50

still wasn't that bad. Yeah it's just

38:52

a double-a wasn't like a C or

38:54

a D. Yeah D would be better.

38:56

Yeah they're not the fucking Philadelphia Eagles

38:58

fans. They're

39:00

not Santa

39:03

Claus. Well

39:06

today tonight's host said this upon

39:08

leaving. We rolled up

39:10

skeptics. We're not leaving skeptics.

39:13

We'd only been there for two hours and

39:15

we'd realized that it was all on. I

39:18

thought we'd come here and uncover an hoax.

39:21

We've been dead non-slaught of

39:23

flying scissors, stones, knives, broken

39:25

glass and yes three

39:27

live bullets. Not once did

39:30

any of us see even a suggestion that

39:32

any of the five residents was trying

39:34

to pull a Swifty. That's

39:37

very good Marcus. Yeah it was very good. Australian accent is

39:39

very good. It's not bad I mean I should be working

39:41

out. By the end of the week it'll be great. Yeah

39:43

yeah we'll do it from the show. Yeah. Save it. I

39:46

didn't. It's

39:49

warm up. Now freelance journalist

39:51

Max Anderson invited psychic Stephen Bishop to

39:53

90 McMinn's Drive and when

39:55

Bishop arrived he started saying some

39:57

very Ed and Lorraine Warren like.

40:00

statements like his energy was being

40:02

disturbed and that this was the

40:04

most extreme case he'd ever seen.

40:06

The land is dead, he said.

40:08

It's lost its soul. It's like, all right,

40:10

it's fine. It's Humpty-Doo. Yeah,

40:13

Bishop then declared the house oppressive.

40:15

He claimed who have detected that

40:17

it was a residual gray slime

40:19

here. And then he left. That

40:21

was just the appetizer. I'm

40:24

not into the surrealist stuff here. It's

40:27

the only food that I'm not particularly into. It's

40:29

just like mush. It's like a green mush. It's

40:31

the only thing I'm not into, but I like

40:33

everything else I've had. Okay. Yeah.

40:37

Good. You like food. We

40:39

know. After

40:41

exhausting their paranormal bench though, today,

40:44

tonight, decided to try the scientific

40:46

approach of bringing in a thermal

40:48

imaging camera to film the objects

40:50

the poltergeist had thrown. And this

40:52

is where things get very interesting.

40:55

The stones in particular were warm

40:57

all over, which was a strange

40:59

reading. See, when someone holds

41:01

an object, it warms up where it's

41:03

touched, but the heat will not

41:05

cover the entire object. Even if you hold

41:08

something in your palm, the way

41:10

these objects were warmed all the way through,

41:12

it was like they'd been put in a

41:14

microwave. Furthermore, there were no

41:17

thermal fingerprints on any of the thrown

41:19

objects, meaning nobody had touched or held

41:21

them just before the object flew. Unless

41:23

they had socks on their hands. But

41:26

that doesn't explain why the whole object was

41:28

warm all over. Yeah. They

41:30

should work at a massage parlor this coast. Oh, man,

41:33

that would be incredible. Incredible. There's

41:35

a career opportunity anywhere if you'd just look

41:37

for it. I guess maybe you could have

41:40

socks on your hands. No, but that's not

41:42

what you require, to be honest. I think

41:44

there'd be threats. Yeah, I think so. Well,

41:47

really, the only part that pointed towards

41:49

a hoax was when one of the

41:51

residents, Kirstie, was caught on camera rising

41:53

up slightly as a white pot lid

41:55

was thrown across the kitchen. Later, Kirstie

41:57

did admit to faking that particular talk.

42:00

just like the kids at Enfield admitted to faking a

42:02

thing or two as well. But

42:04

the argument made in both cases

42:07

was that they were all extremely

42:09

bad at faking things because they

42:11

were all caught immediately. And as

42:13

far as everything else went, nobody

42:16

could give a reasonable explanation. It's

42:18

not that I don't think that

42:21

people in the Outback are clever,

42:24

but there's something about that family, if

42:26

you watch them, that you're like,

42:29

yes, I could see them pulling

42:31

a Swifty or two, but they

42:34

are not the most.

42:37

It's just, it's sophisticated

42:39

is the word to come up with

42:41

something all that long and that intent

42:43

for so long and holding up for

42:46

so long. Eventually something's going to fall

42:48

through. And I think that explains why

42:50

she got caught doing something because she

42:52

kept like seeing all this shit happen.

42:55

And then you're like, she wants it

42:57

on camera. She's like, pop that fake

42:59

flu. Doesn't matter. I

43:01

mean, that happens. That's unfortunate thing

43:03

that happens with paranormal stuff is that

43:05

people want to be

43:07

believed so badly and they want

43:10

people to believe their stories or

43:12

their theories so badly. They fake

43:14

things thinking that it'll help

43:17

and they get caught every

43:20

single fucking time. And

43:22

it just ends up setting back the entire movement.

43:24

It's like untold. I mean, it just, it just,

43:26

it doesn't help. It's why people don't believe. It's

43:29

why people don't believe at all, which I do

43:31

understand. But I also

43:33

like something I completely utter 100% believe.

43:36

I just think that it's a little bit more

43:39

subtle than haunted or not

43:42

haunted. Yeah. It's not a briefcase full

43:44

of Bigfoot guts. Yes, not yet. Now

43:46

near the end of the first month, Tony Healy

43:49

and Paul Cropper, the authors of our main source

43:51

for this series, arrived at

43:53

90 McMinn's drive, hoping to experience

43:55

some poltergeist activity. And they discovered

43:58

that stones only flew When the

44:00

married couple were together, Andrew and

44:02

Kirsty. For example, Andrew would

44:04

take it a construction job where no

44:07

activity took place. But just as soon

44:09

as Kirsty showed up to work as

44:11

a cook on the job site, stones

44:13

started flying and every coffee mug vanished

44:16

from the mess hall only to be

44:18

discovered standing upright on the roof of

44:20

the surrounding huts or on top of

44:23

tall posts. That happened several times. That's

44:25

super weird. Yeah, that's hard to do.

44:28

Kirsty and Andrew just laughed it off as a

44:30

prank because their story was well known by this

44:32

point. But the activity was

44:34

taken more seriously when a knife

44:36

disappeared and was found in a

44:38

locked cold storage room stabbed into

44:41

the hanging carcass of a pig.

44:43

Unless you just wanted fucking pork belly. Nah. As

44:47

far as Kirsty went, they said that

44:49

she was polite, friendly, and quite good

44:51

looking, but she rarely smiled or laughed.

44:53

And according to Helian Cropper, this is

44:55

common amongst people who attract poltergeist. I

44:58

think they're just going by this woman

45:00

and Minnie Bowen. Yeah, it's just, yeah,

45:02

I guess goth-y people can sort of

45:04

attract it. It's haunted. They are haunted.

45:06

Literally haunted. Yeah, haunted people don't often

45:09

giggle. They're

45:12

scared. Now the landlords of 90 McMinn's

45:14

Drive threatened to throw everyone out because

45:16

the house had been so trashed after

45:19

the poltergeist activity escalated in early to

45:21

mid-April. The landlords filed for

45:23

eviction, but the tenants defended themselves by

45:25

saying they had no control over the

45:27

poltergeist, so why should they be the

45:29

ones thrown out? I get it. In

45:32

the end, the magistrate decided that most of

45:34

the damage to the house was superficial and

45:36

could be easily repaired at the expense of

45:38

the tenants and declared that there would therefore

45:40

be no eviction. Now, eventually,

45:42

Helian Cropper finally got their

45:44

poltergeist show. One night,

45:47

pebbles began falling from the ceiling,

45:49

and while Helian Cropper were overjoyed,

45:52

Kirsty laughed wearily and said, here

45:54

we go again. And with

45:56

this, Helian Cropper were convinced that this was

45:59

not a hoax. folks. Simon

46:01

Potter of the Northern Territory Skeptics

46:03

Association, however, declared that it was

46:05

indeed a hoax. This was his

46:07

idea for how they pulled it

46:09

off. He said that they

46:11

were faking it by putting pebbles and

46:13

other objects on a ceiling fan. And

46:15

when the fan was turned on, the

46:18

objects gained enough speed, then would fly

46:20

off and appear to fall from out

46:22

of nowhere. And not fall that fast.

46:24

They would kind of be on a...

46:26

Oh yeah, like a long... No bit

46:28

of a thing. Yeah, it's possible. But

46:30

this does not explain the thermal imaging or the

46:32

fact that the objects were uniformly warm. Unless,

46:35

of course... Heated fan.

46:37

This ceiling fan was heated. Yeah. But that doesn't mean

46:39

anything. Doesn't make any sense. That's not anything. Why even

46:42

have the fan at all? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You're just

46:44

going to blow a lot of air. What's the point

46:46

of that? Set a fire. An

46:49

impartial journalist named Frank Robson, however,

46:51

writing for the Sydney Herald Good

46:53

Weekend magazine, declared the poltergeist legitimate

46:55

in his adorably titled article, Humpty

46:58

Boo. Oh, that's

47:01

good. He noted that the pebbles

47:03

fell at unnaturally slow speeds, made

47:05

unnatural sounds when they landed and

47:07

did not bounce or move once

47:09

they landed. That's the interesting part

47:11

about it. They just, boom, right

47:13

to the go. That's weird.

47:15

I'm looking at now pictures too, because you

47:18

can kind of see the words that

47:21

were written are very child-like. These

47:23

words are very interesting on the

47:25

wall. But this is here, this

47:27

one, when it just says, car. Yeah,

47:29

car. Yeah. Car, skin,

47:32

fire, tone. But

47:34

that's the thing, is that these objects moving

47:36

very strangely, just falling straight to the ground

47:38

and just hitting with a thump. This is

47:40

common markers in poltergeist phenomena. I do remember

47:42

some of the shit from Enfield. It is

47:44

very similar. Enfield is the one that this

47:47

really reminds me of. Both these and

47:49

the story from last week. Yeah. Furthermore,

47:51

a woman who worked with Robson recalled

47:53

while she was talking on the phone

47:56

to Kirsty, she received several electric shocks

47:58

while discussing the poltergeist. This was fairly

48:00

close to the thing that was described by

48:02

the woman who talked to the haunted sex

48:05

worker over the phone, where she would say,

48:07

like, a... Yeah, like, weird shit would jump

48:09

through the phone, which is, we all now

48:11

know is the hitchhiker phenomenon that George Snapp's

48:14

talked about. Many people have

48:16

talked about how a lot of times

48:18

if you do encounter something like this,

48:20

you go home and then weird shit

48:22

starts happening in your house. They

48:24

don't know why. Now, as far as where

48:27

people landed on the entire event, some say that

48:29

the residents of Ninety Men's Drive did it for

48:31

the money, but the only cash they ever made

48:33

was a $400 appearance fee

48:35

for Today Tonight. Yeah, it's... Again...

48:38

No one ever makes money on this

48:40

stuff. They don't. They don't. There was,

48:42

like, two guys, right? It was, like,

48:44

Whitley Streber made actual, legit

48:46

money, and the family from the Amityville

48:48

House, they started it. They made money,

48:51

but because they engineered the whole thing,

48:53

and Warren's helped work with

48:55

them on that, but they really

48:58

don't. I guess

49:00

that's what it is. Watch the documentary. Watch

49:03

the footage of them, honestly. It's on YouTube.

49:05

I'm saying to the listener. They're kind of

49:07

like, okay. Yeah, I don't know. It

49:11

just feels weird watching them all

49:13

kind of fool everyone. I don't think

49:15

they got it in them. Nope.

49:18

Healy and Cropper, meanwhile, believe that the death

49:20

of the resident's friend, Troy, was

49:23

the incident that brought the poltergeist to their home.

49:25

Oh, because he died screaming on

49:27

fire, like, literally covered in gasoline in

49:29

his own car. Well, Housemaid Doug Murphy

49:32

was very close to Troy. Healy and

49:34

Cropper, however, are reticent to declare Tony

49:36

to be the ghost, and instead suggest

49:38

that it was Doug Murphy's psychic anguish

49:41

that fueled the poltergeist, which is why

49:43

the name Troy appeared until the residents

49:45

told the poltergeist to stop. The

49:48

other ingredient in this so-called psychic

49:50

stew, as Healy and Cropper put

49:52

it, was the extreme anger of

49:55

a former resident named Stavros Canarsis,

49:57

who was evicted from 90 drive

50:00

in 1993 after his building

50:03

business failed. Kenaris' wife

50:05

apparently put a curse on the

50:07

bank that contributed to Stavros' failure

50:10

and their combined anger was so

50:12

incredibly potent that it possibly served

50:14

as the seed that grew into

50:16

the poltergeist at Humpty-Doo. It doesn't

50:19

make, that does not necessarily make

50:21

sense to me. Dude, it's fucking,

50:23

it's Ghostbusters 2. You

50:26

know what, you're right. It's bad vibes. It's bad

50:28

vibes. It's like if you're in this two people

50:30

that are in a house that are angry all

50:32

the time, that are just painting the walls with

50:34

fuck energy. Oh, sure. But not fuck energy, but

50:37

fucked up energy. And then someone

50:39

comes, these other people come into the house with

50:41

this extreme grief and it just sort of fucking,

50:43

just something just goes pop. And if you've ever

50:45

been through, if you go through one of these

50:47

where you have to kind of, you lose all

50:50

of your things, I imagine it's very stressful. I

50:52

like to curse every bank I go in. I

50:54

mean, that's different. Yeah, of course. Let's walk in

50:56

there and speak. I curse you. Oh, there it

50:58

is. Now in all, the Humpty-Doo

51:01

poltergeist hung around for about 14 weeks. And

51:04

a lot of people saw a lot of

51:06

really weird shit. But the strangest

51:08

of all was seen by one of

51:10

the residents friends, a guy named Brett

51:12

Stiles. See, around the halfway

51:14

point, the residents would wake up to

51:16

find a thick covering of pebbles on

51:19

their cars. They noticed

51:21

long, shallow troughs in their gravel

51:23

driveway as though pebbles had been

51:25

vacuumed up by an object. And

51:28

as it went, their friends saw

51:30

a small, unidentified flying object

51:32

above the house. Like

51:35

as was seen with the large

51:37

family, a century earlier, it was

51:39

spherical and black, but it had

51:41

a two foot long stream of

51:44

gravel trailing behind it. Very interesting.

51:46

So it could very well be

51:48

that there was not only an

51:50

intelligence behind the poltergeist at Humpty-Doo,

51:53

but some sort of mysterious technology

51:55

as well. Or it's just something

51:57

we don't understand about our. connection

52:00

to our, like

52:02

our own brains creating this type of

52:05

things. Also this stuff appearing throughout all

52:07

of history in different forms. You know,

52:09

like the idea of seeing a ghost

52:11

with, seeing a UFO with gravel behind

52:13

it is to me the same equivalent

52:16

as back in the day, seeing like

52:18

a fairy or something like they've been

52:20

talking about this. It's all very similar

52:22

and it's extremely strange. And these, what

52:25

I find interesting the most is

52:27

the fact that all of these

52:29

stories are so similar. And before

52:31

these guys compiled all these stories,

52:33

how in the living fuck would

52:35

all of these people know in

52:37

these desperate, these disparate parts of

52:39

the country, what these,

52:41

how their stories line up with each other.

52:44

I mean, it's so interesting. I think part

52:46

of the head, the thing that proves your

52:48

thesis here is that like this story, like

52:50

the Humpty do poltergeist was obvious. It was

52:53

a nationwide story. Like

52:55

it was a massive national story

52:57

in the mid nineties. And

53:00

today the people who run Humpty

53:02

do don't know anything about it.

53:05

Shutting us down. They don't want us to come. They,

53:07

well, they just don't know. I don't think they, I

53:09

think they just don't know. Please

53:11

leave us alone. We live all the

53:14

way at Humpty do to be forgotten.

53:16

Yeah. Well, if you want

53:18

it, like that's the thing. If you

53:20

want to talk about something, talk about

53:22

the fucking gigantic crocodile. Yeah. We talk

53:24

about the crocodile, but listen, guys, if

53:26

you want people to come to the

53:28

crocodile, start with the ghost. Yep. Or

53:30

I've started to think it's aliens. Well,

53:32

I think that that's, we're really seeing

53:34

that with the capital P. They can

53:37

make things float and shit. Yes. Capital

53:39

P phenomenon is, does

53:41

express itself in many different ways. Yeah.

53:43

Maybe the spaceship runs on rocks and

53:46

then the rocks are the poo poo from

53:48

the spaceship. I feel like we've entered into

53:50

an area that it's not

53:52

as sophisticated. What I'm saying

53:54

is so again, wizened beyond

53:56

words, international traveler.

53:59

Wizened. international lover Henry

54:02

Zabrowski I've

54:04

really learned a lot. Yeah, you've grown and

54:07

you have matured as have

54:09

we all I still think it's alien

54:11

poop patreon.com/podcast

54:14

on the left and

54:17

edutunes.com Get

54:19

his merch. He'll UFO poop is coming out

54:21

soon. He's selling UFO poop in little bags

54:23

Yeah, that's right you with the moose poop

54:26

in Canada man. I remember one time I went to

54:28

Hoover Dam at my mom and right at the right

54:30

at the register They were selling Hoover Dam rocks three

54:33

for ten bucks and she bought them and then we

54:35

went out in the parking lot It was just filled

54:37

with the rocks There

54:43

is an extremely similar story in Tucson, Arizona that I

54:45

was looking at two with the rocks But we don't

54:48

get a lot of that. Yeah, so doesn't matter What

54:51

desert desert same interesting?

54:54

Oh Go I

54:58

think that by this point we are

55:01

Still in Australia. I think we might have

55:03

like one or two shows left I think

55:05

we might I think we might have like

55:08

a purse left. We got Perth left. I

55:10

want to see y'all in Perth Yeah, I

55:12

want to party in Perth. Yeah, where the

55:14

fuck do we party in Perth? Yeah, and

55:16

I wanted and I wanted to apologize to

55:18

you in person for how much I've talked

55:21

about how smelly you are Over the years

55:23

mentioned that I mentioned it Perth were specifically

55:25

smelly on the last tour But I think

55:27

honestly everybody had been around. I mean New

55:29

Zealand's not smelly. No, it's also not Australia

55:32

I was told that Perth is the Florida of

55:34

Australia that makes me very excited. Absolutely, correct It

55:37

is it feels exactly like Florida. Fuck. Yes. Yeah,

55:39

we're gonna have fun. I can't wait. We better

55:41

have fun So I'd sorry tell POTL gmail.com what

55:43

bar should we go to in Perth? Could love

55:46

they know where to hang out also side stories

55:48

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Bye bye. Goodbye. Hail

56:22

Satan. Hell rocks. Yeah.

56:24

Hey, it's a rock. It's a

56:26

rock world. We're just living in it. I love rocks. I

56:30

hope you do. I hope I hope to come home with rocks. We'll

56:33

get stopped in customs. I

56:35

mean, I brought I fucking brought human bones through

56:38

before. Don't say it in the

56:40

microphone. It's only bad if you bring it into

56:42

Australia. If you leave with a rock, I think they're

56:44

fine with it. Yeah, right. I

56:46

got a lot. I think so. They got a lot

56:48

of rocks. Always leave a rock. Yeah.

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