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do we do the next time

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Israel is attacked from

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an outside force? What

0:40

do we do at that point? That's the

0:42

wrong question. No, that's not the wrong question

0:44

because we never get the condemnation of Hamas

0:46

or Hezbollah. It's

0:50

always after Israel responds to defending itself.

0:52

No, it's not. The problem is that

0:54

this conflict has lasted for years, and

0:57

the United States has been largely passive. So

0:59

the right question is not what do we do

1:02

when things break down. The right question

1:04

is what do we do to avoid a breakdown

1:06

by being engaged seriously in the peace

1:08

process. And for the last

1:10

eight years we haven't been. And that's

1:12

why we have the mess like we have right

1:14

now in our hands. You can't

1:16

blame what is happening in Israel right now

1:19

on the Bush administration. Yes, you can. You

1:21

can't. Well, let's go back to

1:23

2000, Dr. Przyński. You

1:25

and I both know Bill Clinton gave Arafat

1:27

and the Palestinians everything they could have won.

1:30

You know, you have such a stunningly superficial

1:32

knowledge of what went on that it's almost

1:34

embarrassing to listen to you. Oh, is it?

1:36

If you were to look more closely at

1:38

what happened in the

1:40

Clinton-Camp David discussions, you would

1:42

know that we have just said it's absolutely

1:44

wrong. There were all sorts

1:46

of provisions and catches to the so-called

1:49

proposal. And it wasn't rejected. The negotiations

1:51

went on in Tabah, and then there

1:53

were elections in Israel, and

1:55

Sharon came in and everything got aborted. In

1:59

the last eight years, So we had a

2:01

policy in which we have proclaimed an interest

2:03

in peace. Condi Rice

2:05

has traveled 16 times in

2:07

21 months to the region proclaiming, you must

2:10

do this, you must do that. But the

2:12

United States never in fact himself. So

2:14

the issue that Obama faces, and that's the question

2:16

that you raised, is are we

2:19

going to be sitting there issuing condemnations, whether

2:21

it's the Hamas or Israel or anybody else, or

2:24

are we going to be seriously engaged in the

2:26

peace process? That is the question. I'm going to

2:28

go on another block and I'm very excited

2:30

about that because

2:32

I'm stunningly superficial. Chief,

2:35

I look forward to you educating me and

2:37

the rest of America, and

2:41

the rest of the foreign policy community, who

2:43

have said time and again, Arafat walked away

2:45

from the best deal he could have got

2:47

and that the Palestinians never missed an opportunity

2:50

to miss an opportunity. What's up with slogans?

2:52

You're repeating so he did not walk away.

2:54

What he said was, I'm going to take

2:57

the proposal to all the Arab capitals and

2:59

see how they react because the proposals

3:01

were controversial. And then negotiations

3:04

went on even after Christmas where

3:06

Clinton and Arafat met and they

3:08

were going on in Tabah in

3:11

January after Clinton was already leaving

3:13

office, and then the process got

3:15

aborted. It's helpful to know a little bit about

3:17

it. It's very exciting, Chief,

3:19

that you know things that the rest of

3:21

the international community are just about to know.

3:23

You're going to judge your knowledge by the

3:26

collective standards of 300 million people. Then don't

3:28

be surprised that you're embarrassed. Actually,

3:30

I'm not embarrassed. I read the New York Times, the

3:33

Washington Post and Foreign Affairs. You know what I'm going

3:35

to do? I'm going to throw those away and any

3:37

time I have a question, I'm going to call you

3:39

up. Let me tell it to you. He gave back

3:41

a... Let me tell it to you. He gave back

3:43

a... Tabah negotiations. Look him up. I'll do that and

3:45

I'll throw out papers and foreign affairs and

3:47

everything else I read. All right. Welcome

3:53

to Gaslit Nation. This

4:00

week I am joined by longtime

4:02

friend in real life and friend

4:04

of the show, Tyrell Starr, the

4:07

journalist of the Black Diplomats podcast,

4:09

who is home in New York

4:11

City for a short while before

4:14

he returns to his other

4:16

home. Some might argue his

4:18

real home, which is key

4:21

of Ukraine. Hey, what's up? And

4:23

I am of course, Andrea Chalupa, a

4:25

journalist and filmmaker and the writer and

4:27

producer of the journalistic thriller, Mr. Jones

4:29

about Stalin's genocide famine in Ukraine. The

4:31

film, The Kremlin does not want you

4:33

to see, so be sure to watch

4:35

it. And the

4:37

opening clip that you heard

4:40

was Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former

4:43

national security advisor to president Carter

4:45

and a historic statesman in his

4:48

own right, fact checking his

4:50

at the time, future sudden

4:53

law, Joe Scarborough on Morning

4:55

Joe back on December 30th, 2008. A

5:00

much simpler world with all the dangerous signs

5:02

out there of the ticking time bomb we

5:05

were all sitting on. And he's

5:07

right. He's absolutely right. And before we

5:09

get into this week's discussion, tackling geopolitics,

5:11

the threats we're up against, what to

5:13

do about them and so on, I

5:15

want to give a big gas donation.

5:17

Thank you to Eloise of Mississippi, who

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If you're not signed up, go to

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patreon.com/Gaslit and get all sorts of fun

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stuff. And a reminder as a thank

5:44

you to our Patreon community on January

5:46

18, a Thursday evening, 8

5:49

p.m. Eastern. We're having a social

5:51

media workshop for people who hate

5:53

social media. And that's me. So

5:55

if you are a fellow introvert,

5:57

come join that. We're going to be trying.

5:59

to kick our Twitter habit, given that

6:01

it was deliberately destroyed. And we're trying

6:03

to build up homes elsewhere and decentralized

6:05

and just make sure we really take

6:07

back our power and own that power

6:09

with the huge loss of Twitter. So

6:12

if you are an introvert, you hate

6:14

social media, you want to elevate

6:16

your voice online to raise it for those who

6:18

need you to be a voice for them out

6:21

in the world heading into 2024. Come

6:24

join us for that. The wonderful Rachel

6:26

Brody, an organizer with a lot of

6:28

local New York City politics, including the

6:31

diverse political coalition across the state

6:33

working really hard to replace Jay

6:35

Jacobs, the useless chair of the

6:37

Democratic State Party here in New

6:39

York, whose incompetence led

6:42

to years of decline of

6:44

Democratic power and really threatening to turn

6:46

New York state into a purple

6:48

state. And the

6:51

Republicans now dominate Long Island.

6:54

They took over the House, thanks to

6:56

a lot of winnable Democratic seats, including

6:58

George Santos. The George Santos tragedy came

7:00

out of New York state. And that's

7:02

all on the watch of incompetent state

7:04

chair Jay Jacobs in a state like

7:06

New York, where there's so much talent,

7:08

so much energy, we could be doing

7:11

a lot better. And instead we're a

7:13

drag, a drag on national

7:15

resources and so on. And

7:17

the reason why Ukraine is not getting the

7:19

funding it so desperately needs out of Congress

7:22

is because Republicans were able to eke through,

7:24

seize the House through New York state. And

7:26

that's on Jay Jacobs. So the blood of

7:29

Ukrainians is on his hands. So Rachel Brody

7:31

is going to update us on the efforts

7:33

to get him out and get some competent

7:35

coalition building leadership in. And so

7:37

that workshop is going to cover a lot of bases, getting

7:40

us all energized and ready for 2024,

7:42

but also checking in on the

7:44

all important grassroots fight here in

7:46

New York state as national and

7:49

therefore international major repercussions. All

7:51

right. So to Raul my dear, how are you

7:53

doing? How are you feeling this holiday season? I'm

7:56

rested. I'm here home in

7:59

Brooklyn. I didn't realize how

8:01

much I would miss being here until

8:03

I actually arrived at JFK airport. I

8:07

really am passionate about being in Ukraine

8:09

and just being on the ground makes

8:11

me feel like I could do something

8:13

even though there are days or weeks

8:15

that go by where I don't

8:18

feel like my role is as strong

8:20

as it could be, but I realized

8:22

that every day or

8:25

every moment that

8:27

goes by when I'm not being

8:29

active doesn't mean that I'm complacent.

8:33

Being here in the United States just

8:35

replenishing and meeting people here

8:37

to talk about my work gave

8:40

me proof of that fact. It's

8:42

fine. I'm going

8:44

to stay until

8:47

February, enjoy yoga,

8:49

meet with people here and

8:51

just live and

8:53

exist and

8:55

think about my plans, but also just live.

8:57

I think when people ask us how we're

9:00

doing, we talk about our job, we talk

9:02

about things that are productive, things that

9:04

contribute to capitalism. I'm just

9:07

happy to say that I

9:09

am healthy and I feel

9:11

good. I'm in a great

9:13

mental state regardless of everything that's going

9:15

on in the world because I can't

9:17

be good to anyone if I'm not

9:19

personally whole as an individual. How about

9:21

yourself? I'm ready for the holiday

9:24

slowdown and I'm absolutely

9:26

with you about capitalism can take

9:28

a big fat back seat. I'm

9:31

tired of capitalism. A lot of the stories

9:33

I'm brainstorming and researching is all about how

9:35

to establish greater

9:38

livability, to look at the

9:40

Nordic nations and how they're

9:42

able to be moral leaders

9:44

on the global stage with

9:46

strong, morally consistent foreign policy

9:49

and also strong domestic policy, voting

9:52

to rest this idea among the left, like why are

9:54

we helping Ukraine? Why are we giving money to Ukraine

9:56

and we need it for social and the left and

9:59

the right? slogan why

10:01

are we giving money to Countries

10:03

like Ukraine struggling democracies protecting us all

10:05

in the global fight against fascism when

10:07

we have all these needs here at

10:09

home the Nordic nations are doing both

10:12

the Nordic nations are walking and talking and Capitalism

10:15

separates families families are forced

10:17

today to juggle several

10:20

jobs just to make ends meet

10:22

You have greater numbers of society

10:24

falling through the cracks going hungry You

10:27

have hunger levels up in the

10:29

richest country in the world America It's

10:31

far past sustainable and so when people want to

10:33

get the torches and pitchforks out and roll out

10:35

the guillotines That's coming from a

10:37

real place that's coming from that reflects a

10:40

real reality and everyone wants to talk about

10:42

Biden economics But the reality is that people can't

10:44

even afford homes anymore. I don't know if my

10:46

kids are gonna be able to afford homes I'm

10:48

gonna have to work till I'm dead to make

10:50

sure I can leave my kids as much as

10:53

possible so they can survive in This

10:55

hunger games of capitalism. So I'm

10:57

really angry at capitalism I'm

11:00

really and I'm really Formulating a

11:03

number of series and things I want to research

11:05

to try to put a leash on that

11:07

to clot back and to establish a more livable

11:09

future for everyone so we can chill

11:11

out more and relax and enjoy each other

11:14

enjoy our families enjoy the time we have

11:16

left and just really improve our

11:18

quality of life and I

11:20

think the way that America is doing things is killing

11:22

us. So that's my whole goal is just

11:24

to chill out Take it easy and

11:27

not even worry about where

11:29

I am right now, you know, you know me I've got

11:31

like a million and one projects going on because I have

11:33

so much hunger to get these stories out into the world

11:36

But the reality is the scripts I write need money They

11:39

need me to be out there pitching and

11:41

and really strategizing and that's exhausting But I'm

11:43

I'm just focused on like putting one foot

11:45

out of the other and just picking my

11:47

battles very carefully going to 2024 And

11:50

part of the targets I'm taking is

11:53

we need stronger economic reform

11:55

in this country and doing that Absolutely

11:58

secures our democracy here at home and

12:00

put some safeguards. When you have

12:02

economic instability, that's what gets people really riled up against

12:04

the system and they start voting against the system. And

12:06

then you get a bunch of Trump votes in 2016

12:09

and Brexit and so on. So that's

12:12

where my mind's at, is my

12:14

one woman war against hyper capitalism.

12:17

I wanna just point out that you and

12:19

I, back in the days, early

12:22

days after October 7th, 2023, you

12:25

and I joined together for a very

12:27

difficult conversation on Israel

12:30

and Palestine. I

12:32

had been warned personally by somebody to just lay

12:34

low that week, cause it was such a dark

12:36

time. It was a very shocking time. And

12:39

you and I went ahead and

12:41

had a conversation that has aged

12:43

incredibly well and we covered a

12:45

lot. And our warnings have unfortunately

12:47

come true. And part of the

12:49

warnings that we gave in that episode, in

12:51

that episode's called Israel

12:53

and Palestine, a difficult

12:56

conversation. And one of the

12:58

warnings we had was that Israel was headed to

13:00

a rallying around the flag moment and

13:02

that this war was going to

13:04

be genocidal and self-destructive, not only

13:07

for Palestinians and their whole history

13:09

of terror under Israel, but

13:11

also for the Israeli people themselves, given

13:13

how corrupt and far right and extreme

13:15

Netanyahu and his government are, and that

13:18

they likely engineered this war so

13:20

they could carry out a genocide. And lo and behold, here

13:22

we are, as this show's predicted, Netanyahu

13:25

never cared about those hostages.

13:27

And there's reporting that there

13:29

were three Israeli hostages walking

13:32

unarmed, obviously, with their arms up,

13:34

waving white flags, trying to surrender

13:36

to IDF soldiers. And the IDF

13:38

soldiers just straight up exterminated them,

13:40

thinking they're Palestinian civilians. We warned

13:42

that was going to happen. When

13:44

you drop more bombs in

13:46

a single week than across the

13:48

entire country of Afghanistan and

13:51

like the largest year of fighting for

13:53

the US under Trump, that's

13:55

collective punishment. That's war crimes. When you

13:57

have a massive chorus of human rights.

14:00

groups all saying the same thing over and

14:02

over again. This is collective punishment. These are

14:04

war crimes. Of course you're going

14:06

to kill your own people and

14:08

that's what people have to understand is that

14:10

when you have an anti-democracy

14:13

movement like Netanyahu's movement, which

14:15

has been blatantly anti-democracy leading

14:17

to the largest protests in

14:19

Israel's history where he's trying

14:22

to purge the court system openly so he can

14:24

stay in power and die in power and so

14:26

on. The whole definition of

14:28

authoritarianism is where minority

14:30

groups, targeted scapegoated

14:33

groups, are no longer

14:35

the sole targets. Authoritarianism

14:37

comes for every betty

14:40

including Israelis themselves and

14:42

it's exemplified here with

14:44

the three Israeli hostages being gunned down

14:46

by the IDF totally

14:49

predictably as we've been warning. And

14:51

so I wanted just to get your comment on that. Yeah

14:54

about the three hostages who

14:56

were killed, what was

14:58

really chilling was an account that is

15:01

documented in an article by the BBC

15:05

dated December 18th which was

15:07

yesterday. Two

15:10

of the three hostages who

15:13

came out with the white flag saying SOS,

15:16

they were killed instantly. One of them was

15:20

injured but then went back into the

15:22

building where they were seeking

15:25

cover and then re-emerged and was

15:27

killed. So what

15:29

it tells us is that these

15:31

soldiers have gotten

15:33

a top-down cultural command

15:36

or understanding that they can operate

15:38

with impunity. And Benjamin

15:40

Netanyahu knows that Joe

15:43

Biden will not do anything

15:46

to challenge him or to speak

15:48

out against the atrocities that the

15:50

Israeli government is taking out

15:52

against Gaza. So it's no longer a

15:55

conversation about Hamas and we

15:57

see and we'll get into the

15:59

polling. later. But what really

16:01

strikes me about all of this

16:03

is that the American government

16:07

is directly complicit

16:10

in the ways in which the

16:12

IDF is operating. And

16:15

it's a bipartisan indifference,

16:18

I would say, to the mass murder

16:20

and killing of Gazans. So

16:24

until the US government decides that they're

16:26

going to take a stand, and that's

16:28

going to be critical because this afternoon

16:31

there's going to be a vote at the United Nations

16:34

that's going to be brought up by the,

16:36

I believe, the United Arab Emirates that is

16:38

going to, I believe so, I'm going to

16:41

double check that, but in the vote is

16:43

going to call for more humanitarian aid and

16:45

a de-escalation of the military

16:47

operation. And we will see where

16:49

the US stands in that

16:52

regard because now it

16:55

shows us that it doesn't

16:57

matter if 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 civilians who have

16:59

nothing to do with Hamas are killed, the

17:06

Israeli government is operating

17:09

with impunity. And

17:11

to be quite frank with you, if

17:13

you are operating on this political identity

17:17

that anybody that

17:19

is against Israel is anti-Semitic,

17:23

and we know that the rest of the world believes that,

17:26

can you blame them for operating in the way

17:28

that they're operating because no one's going to punish

17:30

them? So these three killings

17:33

are of no surprise to me at

17:35

all because the West, particularly the United

17:37

States, is giving them the green light

17:39

to do so. Yeah, without question.

17:42

And it really puts in danger

17:44

so many things, and

17:46

we're going to go into that. But

17:48

what it's also doing is the US

17:50

is just taking this status

17:53

quo stance and they're

17:55

paying lip service. Biden said in Israel,

17:57

he said before the whole world, We

18:00

support Israel's right to defend itself. We don't

18:02

support war crimes Well, guess what? They're carrying

18:04

out war crimes a historic number

18:07

of aid workers humanitarian aid workers have

18:09

been killed a historic number of Journalists

18:12

operating in Gaza have been

18:14

killed. There's well-documented collective punishment

18:17

And so, you know, the there needs to

18:19

be more than just statements Statements

18:21

from the US and

18:24

looking the other way is what allowed

18:26

Russia to escalate its war crimes over

18:28

decades Right and now we have statements

18:30

from the US of all looking the

18:32

other way allowing Israeli war crimes to

18:34

escalate It's just such an

18:37

extraordinary reversal where the US rallied

18:39

the whole the world the Democratic

18:41

Alliance To save Ukraine in these

18:43

critical hours and now you have

18:45

the US increasingly Isolated because the

18:47

whole world sees very well what's

18:49

happening in Gaza and the big

18:51

danger is that? Western

18:54

audiences are desperate for honest information

18:56

and analysis of what's really going

18:58

on on the ground in Gaza

19:00

And so therefore they're turning

19:02

to voices that don't know what time

19:05

it is in Ukraine and have no

19:07

moral consistency who

19:09

have furthered Russian disinformation talking points in

19:11

regard to Ukraine and they happen to

19:13

be in the right place at the

19:16

right time when it Comes to Gaza

19:18

because you know They just have a

19:20

knee-jerk reaction that anything that the US

19:23

stands for is automatically bad They're

19:25

either paid off You know They write

19:27

for RT Russia today or some sort or

19:29

they have or some other, you know, Russian

19:32

Kremlin linked disinformation outlet

19:34

and they come from a maybe

19:37

a traumatized mindset or maybe

19:39

an opportunistic mindset like where

19:41

they are professional trolls and they the

19:43

only way to build a voice for

19:45

themselves in a crowded field in Media

19:47

is to be contrarian or

19:49

they have a well-known strategy of the left,

19:52

which is the enemy of my enemies my

19:54

friend So I'm trying to take on

19:56

the US and its corruption

19:58

and its military complex so and

20:00

Russia wants to take on the West too so

20:03

I'm going to advocate for Russia and bring up

20:05

Russia's point of view on things and

20:07

so what I'm saying is that

20:09

the US abdicating any moral

20:11

standing in the crisis with

20:13

Gaza is giving

20:16

greater authority to

20:18

these disinformation agents.

20:21

So let me respond to one thing directly about the

20:23

left and I consider myself a leftist and what does

20:25

so let's talk about what that means because it's very

20:27

critical to what you're saying. I

20:30

am a non-resident senior fellow at

20:32

the Center for International Progress where

20:34

my good buddy Matt

20:36

Doss who is was Bernie

20:38

Sanders former foreign policy

20:40

advisor and so my

20:43

definition of left because people have

20:46

these I think ridiculous arguments about

20:48

who's left and who isn't to

20:51

me Eileen Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders

20:53

generally then you have people who

20:55

are the squad and one

20:57

of the larger challenges that you have with

20:59

Joe Biden one thing I will give a

21:02

degree of understanding for at least politically is

21:04

that the tent of public

21:06

opinion that Joe Biden has to speak

21:08

to is a lot more wide and

21:11

diverse and complex than the

21:13

very limited small box

21:16

of opinions that a

21:19

Donald Trump has to speak to when

21:21

you're dealing with Democrats you have

21:23

blue dogs you have centrists

21:26

you have the squad you

21:28

have the left that's more of again

21:30

the Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren type and

21:33

then you have people who are center

21:37

right so to speak so you have

21:39

all these different spectrums of political thought

21:41

on a Democratic Party whereas with Republicans

21:44

you're either right wing or you're

21:46

far right and those

21:49

two parts of the

21:51

Republican Party all

21:53

bow down to Donald Trump and

21:55

there's very little dissent because in the grand

21:57

scheme of things they both believe in the

21:59

same things, they just say it differently.

22:01

Whereas with Democrats, it's not like that at

22:03

all. Another thing about the left

22:06

and a lot of the discontent that I have

22:08

with a lot of the far left, extreme part

22:10

of the left, which I consider that to be

22:13

cold pink, they have no

22:15

political power and respect, but there is

22:18

a conversation that's led there where a

22:22

lot of political people have some degree,

22:25

and the Democratic Party has some sympathy to. What

22:27

I notice when you're dealing with

22:30

Ukraine versus Palestine is that on

22:33

the, and it's something that really annoys

22:35

me, when you're dealing with Palestine, you

22:37

notice very rightfully so, when you have

22:39

the Cornel West of the world, for

22:41

example, they are surrounded

22:43

by people from the region.

22:45

They have expertise. They

22:47

have people who have stayed this region for

22:50

decades. When you're dealing with

22:52

Ukraine, and as it pertains to

22:54

the left, notice that there are no regional

22:56

experts on these panels. There

22:58

is no one with any type of

23:00

respect in Ukraine. Most of

23:03

my friends in Ukraine are socialists, and

23:06

not one Ukrainian socialist agrees

23:10

with a lot of the

23:12

left's approach towards Ukraine. In

23:14

fact, they believe that the

23:17

left believes in aiding

23:19

and abetting in their own genocide, because

23:22

they are. And so

23:24

they don't offer that same respect towards

23:27

Ukrainians. And I think it's because they

23:30

see it as a whole bunch of, quite frankly, a whole bunch

23:32

of white people doing white shit. And

23:34

it's a very simplistic, reductive

23:36

approach. And the way that

23:38

we talk about Ukraine

23:40

and Palestine, it's very important

23:42

because from a, and you

23:45

notice that the biggest irony

23:48

and the way that Biden is

23:50

talking about Palestine, or

23:53

the state of the Gaza situation in

23:57

Ukraine, is that there's a failure in

23:59

both. And so the

24:01

failure with Ukraine and

24:03

the failure with Palestine comes down to two

24:05

main things. It comes back to

24:07

this old school thinking that doesn't understand current

24:10

realities and people who are unwilling to

24:12

divest from their traditional way of thinking

24:14

and understanding the reality that we have.

24:17

And they lack creativity, they lack. And

24:19

also getting to the core structures with

24:22

Ukraine, in order to

24:24

really deal with Ukraine and really

24:26

to really deal with Russia the way

24:28

we need to, we have to deal with our own

24:30

kleptocracy that aids and abets Russia.

24:33

There's hundreds of millions of dollars

24:35

in business that still

24:37

goes into Russia from the West.

24:40

The West still is the washing

24:42

machine for Russian money. And

24:46

so there is a failure morally dealing

24:48

with Ukraine, even though, generally speaking, they

24:50

get wide range support. There

24:52

is a moral failing with Palestine

24:56

in that they do

24:59

not realize that there is a

25:01

difference between being a Jewish fighting

25:04

against anti-Semitism against all Jewish

25:06

people versus supporting the apartheid

25:08

state that is propagated by

25:10

Zionists. There's a

25:12

major difference between the two. And so,

25:14

but the way that Biden is talking

25:17

about it, he is dividing his base

25:19

because the people who may have the

25:21

power in connection to the lobbying power

25:23

of the Israeli state do

25:25

not reflect the totality of the public that

25:28

he needs to win. And

25:30

so until Biden is able to

25:33

speak with a new policy that

25:36

holds the state of Israel

25:38

to account, then they're going

25:40

to always look at this Biden administration

25:42

as having a double

25:45

standard for Israel

25:47

versus Russia, because as somebody who focuses

25:50

on Ukraine, I think that he does

25:53

and he just doesn't want to admit it. But

25:55

it's causing him all kinds of problems that I

25:57

don't think that he has the political Will

26:01

or even capacity because of his

26:03

age and because of his old-school

26:06

Zionist devotion Who correct I

26:08

pray that he does because he needs to yeah

26:11

without question Absolutely No I was like

26:13

headbanging nodding along to everything you were

26:15

saying and I want to just point

26:17

out that One of

26:19

his crowning achievements and I'll say this

26:22

again was uniting a global democratic alliance

26:24

to save Ukraine in those final hours

26:26

And you know that was a major

26:28

pivot for his administration and foreign policy

26:31

team Which initially was like

26:33

Zelensky get the hell out. We're gonna extract you

26:35

from Ukraine everything. You're about to lose your country

26:37

All right It's gonna be

26:39

another Afghanistan flee now and it

26:41

was Ukrainians and their bravery that

26:43

turned that around and the US

26:45

Biden's foreign policy team had to

26:47

react had to pivot and they

26:49

did an extraordinary Extraordinary thing which

26:51

we're gonna hopefully get to to

26:53

sort of update people on later

26:55

in this episode They

26:57

created this massive sea

27:00

change across the European Union That

27:02

was desperate just to look the other way

27:04

and take all that cheap Russian gas Easy

27:07

Russian money right put

27:09

Deripaska's name put Roman Abramovich's name

27:12

all those all the Russian oligarchs

27:14

football club owners names on all

27:16

their institutions and so on The

27:19

European Union didn't want the Russian money

27:21

tap to dry out But that's what's

27:23

happened and that was because Biden is

27:25

foreign policy team reacted they changed course

27:28

They could do that again now And

27:30

so what they did with Ukraine was historic a

27:32

crowning achievement of this administration. You cannot

27:34

take that away from them What's

27:37

extraordinary now is that their status

27:39

quo way of thinking with Israel

27:42

is now threatening their crowning achievement

27:45

Because it's dividing this global alliance It's

27:48

aligned them with a want-to-be autocrat net

27:50

in Yahoo Who's mobbed up with the

27:52

Russians and it's? Amplifying and

27:54

furthering the influence of a lot of

27:56

disinformation merchants on the far left and

27:58

the far right that are gaining

28:01

credibility, gaining audience, because people are desperate

28:03

to break through the status quo. And they're

28:05

right, because the status quo is broken in

28:07

regard to Israel and Palestine. The warnings have

28:09

always been there. Like the

28:12

US, the West was asleep when it came to Russia

28:14

with the stupid reset button back in 2008. The

28:17

same with Israel and Palestine. The same

28:19

with Israel and Palestine. This year marks

28:21

the 30th anniversary of the Oslo Accords.

28:24

The West just let that die

28:26

and just left Palestinians to fend

28:28

for themselves. And that led to

28:30

the most historic levels of Palestinian

28:33

murders by Israeli forces, including of

28:35

children, especially of children. And

28:37

it's just broken now. It's broken. So

28:39

now it's like the time for statements

28:42

and slogans is over, and there needs

28:44

to be serious accountability, serious movement.

28:46

We need to see results. The American

28:48

people, the American voter are very results

28:50

driven. Show us results. We want to see

28:52

Ukraine win. We want to see Ukraine

28:55

turn this around. We want to see liberation

28:57

videos coming out of Ukraine. Get Ukraine what

28:59

it needs. Stop trying to force Ukraine to

29:01

the negotiating table, because that's not worked at

29:03

all the 10 years or so of this

29:05

war. And we want to

29:07

see Netanyahu's extremist, genocidal, mass murdering, far

29:09

right government contained. And we want to

29:12

see the collective punishment of Palestinians and

29:14

Gaza ended. We want to see an

29:16

end to this West Bank violence. We

29:19

need to see results. That's the American

29:21

voter by and large. There's a new

29:23

voting polling coming out of this

29:25

time, Sienna College poll, which

29:28

showed that the majority of Americans

29:31

do not like Biden's handling of Gaza. That's

29:33

the majority of Americans. There is a very

29:36

close second, very large percentage of Americans that

29:38

are fine with it. And they tend to

29:40

be older. They tend to be much older

29:42

and more old school and more in line

29:44

with the status quo of thinking. They also

29:46

grew up at a time when there was

29:48

maybe like three to six news channels on

29:51

TV, where Americans today can

29:53

get their news from all sorts of

29:55

sources, including internationally. And the

29:57

majority of young voters, millennials,

30:00

Gen Z who are about to become

30:02

the largest voting block in America overwhelmingly

30:05

disapprove of Biden's handling of Gaza Overwhelmingly,

30:08

they're coming into their own They're coming into

30:11

a massive amount of political power with becoming

30:13

the largest voting block combined in the United

30:15

States Biden likes to say he's a transition

30:17

president that he's trying to transition us to

30:19

this future that he's just holding the line

30:21

right now For American democracy. Well, we need

30:23

to know talk to these younger leaders that

30:26

are coming up You need to now allow

30:28

them to have a seat at the table

30:30

with their moral leadership with their voice and

30:32

you cannot blame it On tik-tok as though

30:34

their sentiment is coming from some

30:36

seated Chinese manipulation It's

30:39

not that I am NOT

30:41

on tik-tok I have a carefully

30:44

curated a group of

30:46

experts online that I regularly go to

30:49

To make sense of what's going on

30:51

in the world because I've followed them

30:53

so long during this disruptive 15

30:56

years or so of global affairs right with the rise

30:58

of Putin With the Pandora

31:00

boxes of Iraq and Afghanistan and so on and

31:02

all the repercussions of ISIS and so on So

31:05

I'll have a steady stream of experts

31:07

whose work I've seen over the

31:09

years who I implicitly trust I'm

31:12

not going to tick-tock. I'm reading

31:14

widely I'm reading trusted experts widely

31:16

and that's where I'm getting my

31:18

information from and I'm reading books

31:20

on history of the region And

31:22

I have a diversity of voices

31:24

and I'm also reading what people

31:26

say that think very differently from

31:29

me who think that Hamas is Are

31:32

some romantic resistance fighters when they're not

31:34

they're terrorist organizations or think that Israel's

31:36

fully justified It's I'm reading very very

31:38

widely and I just want to tell

31:40

you the facts of the

31:42

facts The truth is the truth. There's

31:45

no stopping the truth and the truth

31:47

is that Israel uncheck power is carrying

31:50

out war crimes sponsored and paid for by

31:52

the United States government and the whole world

31:54

sees this and it's not only carrying out

31:57

atrocities That are going to create generations of

31:59

trauma going to be living with the with

32:02

under the fallout of but it's

32:04

just beyond soul shattering heartbreak what

32:06

these innocent human

32:09

beings are put through it is a

32:11

trauma that will be discussed in history

32:13

books passed down through families and as

32:15

a Ukrainian that has devoted my life

32:17

to the whole tomorrow Stalin's genocide family

32:19

Ukraine this is a whole lot of

32:21

more that has been carried out on

32:23

Palestinian there are kids right now that

32:25

are starving starvation eats your body alive

32:27

from the inside it drives you mad

32:29

it is a mental torture it

32:31

is a slow excruciating way to die and

32:34

so this is a Palestinian whole little

32:36

more right now and Biden and his

32:38

national security team they've showed us they can

32:40

have their come to Jesus moments they did

32:42

it with Ukraine and they need to do

32:44

it now well I

32:47

agree with what you're saying I

32:50

think it goes back to the way that

32:52

we have conversations about these topics so with

32:54

Ukraine what changed the

32:56

public tide and sentiment was

32:59

Ukrainian resistance against Russian

33:01

aggression and their genocidal

33:04

pursuit because we both have to recognize

33:07

that what Putin is doing in Ukraine

33:09

and what Benjamin Netanyahu is doing in

33:11

Gaza they're both genocidal operations

33:13

they both are let's just be

33:15

clear about that and be morally

33:17

consistent in our dialogue about it

33:19

which is the problem the reason why

33:21

this is fascinating to me because I'm into the

33:24

why because a lot of people could

33:26

get into the history and get into 1948 all

33:28

those other things

33:30

I find that when I

33:32

was talking about Ukraine what

33:34

mattered to people was not necessarily

33:36

the history and ways that the

33:38

two of us know what the

33:40

American public cares about is what

33:43

is my government doing to address

33:45

the problem that's right before my

33:47

eyes and is it

33:49

morally correct to do so and

33:52

with Ukraine it was a resounding

33:54

no because even now the

33:57

vast majority of America still support military

33:59

support for Ukraine And with

34:01

this current poll from Sienna and

34:03

the New York Times, what you

34:05

see is that as opposed to

34:07

a military resistance that

34:10

is changing public perception, it's a lot of

34:12

young Jewish people here in the United States.

34:15

And people don't really pay

34:17

enough attention to the high

34:19

number of Jewish young people who

34:21

are saying this is bullshit and

34:23

that you are endangering me. And

34:27

this suggestion that the

34:29

only way for Jews to be safe is

34:32

that we have the state of Israel, which

34:34

quite frankly was founded off of

34:36

a genocide pursuit against Arabs. And

34:39

so the problem that we

34:41

have now is Biden

34:44

cannot speak to these young people,

34:46

even though I've been told that

34:49

he's aware of the

34:51

reactions. I don't think that

34:53

he is personally constructed

34:56

to respond in an adequate way

34:59

that can not only address

35:01

and stop what's happening in

35:04

Gaza, the genocide that's happening in Gaza,

35:06

but potentially to save his presidency. Because

35:09

he is not constructed to respond to

35:11

Gaza in the way that he responded

35:13

to in Ukraine. Because

35:16

both of, with Ukraine it was a slow

35:18

response and it's continued to be slow for

35:20

different reasons. In regards to Gaza, you have

35:22

to remember that this man came of age

35:24

when Israel was founded in 1948. Israel

35:27

is a very young state, to be clear.

35:30

And so many of, and it came off

35:32

of the base, it came

35:35

off of less than

35:37

three years or four years from

35:39

the Holocaust, which is very

35:41

real, right? Which was a straight up genocide

35:43

when we both recognized that. The

35:45

problem is that we have

35:48

been conditioned to believe

35:50

that the state of Israel right

35:53

now is a state basically

35:55

where if you don't support

35:57

us, you're against our own genocide. And so

35:59

we... do what we want to these Arabs.

36:01

And so if you speak out against us, that

36:04

means that you want the Holocaust

36:07

to happen again. That is how we are being

36:09

conditioned to think about this. And when you see

36:11

what a lot of these young Jewish people who

36:13

are leading the pack, who frankly give

36:15

us a moral comfort to even have this

36:18

conversation and to tell us that there is

36:20

political diversity within the Jewish community, that's why

36:22

you see the change in these polls. So

36:24

we can get into the history. It doesn't

36:27

matter how many books that we read on

36:29

the subject. The conversation is who is politically

36:31

controlling the narrative and why. And

36:33

with Biden and most of the

36:36

older voters who feel like Biden is doing

36:38

a good job on this, they come from

36:40

this age where the lobbying

36:42

groups within the start, you know, that support

36:44

the state of Israel are hanging

36:46

the Holocaust over our heads and it's

36:48

manipulative. And there is a sharp difference

36:51

between talking about the very real anti-Semitism that

36:53

is taking place, which by the way, increased

36:55

under President Donald Trump. And

36:58

so politically, we have

37:00

to be able to ask ourselves, what

37:03

does it mean to resolve a

37:05

conflict? What does it

37:07

mean to stand in

37:09

solidarity with the very real violence

37:12

that is being perpetrated against Jewish

37:14

people? I live in Brooklyn. I

37:16

am right at the doorstep of

37:18

Crown Heights, where you walk a

37:21

couple blocks in this acidic Jews. There

37:23

is real anti-Semitism that is

37:25

going on in this country. Very, very

37:27

real and very violent, which is perpetrated by

37:29

white nationalists, by the way. And

37:32

the very ironic reaction to this

37:34

response is that if you

37:37

continue to disrespect the concern and

37:39

pain of much of

37:41

our Arab American community here in the

37:43

states, in places like

37:45

Michigan and places like Georgia, where their

37:47

turnout is significant and critical, then

37:50

we're going to usher in a president

37:54

that is going to continue

37:56

that white anti-Semitic tirade

37:59

of political policy that we want

38:01

to ignore. And so with Biden

38:03

not having a morally consistent approach

38:05

to this, he's actually

38:07

undermining the integrity of

38:10

his beliefs, which is supporting Jewish

38:12

people. And these young Jewish

38:14

people are telling us that

38:16

he is being morally inconsistent. They are telling

38:18

us that this is hypocrisy. And

38:21

there's going to be a tie. And that's

38:23

the tie that we're going down. And it

38:25

can't be reversed. And so all

38:27

I hope that the Biden administration can

38:29

do is to respond to this conflict

38:32

in a language that speaks to that.

38:35

I do not think that he is built to do so,

38:38

but I hope for a miracle because that's what it's

38:40

going to take. Because he is an old school

38:42

Zionist that is going to

38:44

live and die by going

38:47

against the state of Israel means that

38:49

you are supporting anti-Semitism in their own

38:51

genocide, which is complete bullshit because they're

38:53

perpetrating one themselves. Yep.

38:56

Without question. And for those

38:58

who are staunch supporters of

39:00

Israel, right or die Israel,

39:02

Netanyahu is one of the

39:04

greatest threats to Israel. There's

39:07

all these reports coming out as

39:09

we talked about, Terrell and I talked about

39:12

in the days after October 7th, we

39:15

flagged these reports and more reporting

39:17

has come out to confirm all

39:19

this, which that Netanyahu, the longest

39:21

serving Israeli prime minister, we're talking

39:24

two decades, his government

39:26

propped up financially propped

39:28

up Hamas. They allowed

39:31

the money tap to flourish to

39:33

Hamas. And not only

39:35

that the US being such

39:37

staunch allies of Israel allowed

39:39

this too. And lo and

39:41

behold, the Frankenstein monster that

39:43

Netanyahu's government and decades of

39:45

rotten lack of self

39:47

reflection, American foreign policy status quo

39:49

allowed to flourish. And together, you

39:52

know, Hamas is the

39:54

Frankenstein monster of the American

39:56

status quo and Netanyahu's government.

39:58

They allowed to

40:00

carry out October 7th. October

40:03

7 did not happen overnight. It

40:05

was just a disastrous status quo

40:07

thinking and Netanyahu going unchecked for

40:09

so long and so-called

40:11

Israeli moderates being

40:13

okay with Netanyahu in power, maybe even voting

40:15

for him or putting in votes that allowed

40:18

his coalition to come to power or whatever

40:20

because they thought that he was the strong

40:22

man that was going to protect them. Anytime

40:24

you do a deal like that, the strong man, you're

40:26

doing a deal at the devil and they're going to

40:28

put your own life in danger. Precisely

40:31

and I want to just briefly

40:33

interject that for all the Gaslit

40:36

Nation listeners,

40:39

I just sent Andreia

40:41

a article by Akbar Shahid

40:43

Ahmed and he is a

40:45

foreign affairs journalist at the

40:47

HuffPost. He does some of

40:49

the best work on

40:51

this conflict just foreign affairs in general

40:53

but particularly with how the US government

40:56

is thinking about how to address this.

40:58

He is one of the most well-sourced

41:00

journalists in Washington and I strongly recommend

41:02

everyone reads this but this is very

41:04

critical to what you're saying is

41:06

that there is a lot of

41:09

division within the administration and he

41:11

specifically spoke about

41:14

Linda Thomas Greenfield who is the United

41:16

States ambassador to the UN and for

41:18

a lot of people who don't know

41:20

she's an African-American woman, one of the most

41:23

well-respected black diplomats in

41:26

the Corps today and ever and

41:28

so she has deep ties to

41:30

the continent of Africa and so

41:32

a lot of this support from the

41:34

global south that we touched on earlier,

41:37

she understands this and what

41:41

Shahid Ahmed was saying was that

41:43

she feels that there is a

41:45

sentiment that she's being thrown under

41:47

the bus in a similar way that Colin

41:49

Powell was when they came to the weapons

41:51

of mass destruction so they drew that

41:53

parallel two different circumstances, two different circumstances but the

41:55

point of it is that you

41:57

have an African-American woman Who is. A

42:00

boating. Bodega. Gets anything that

42:02

would stop the genocide of pursue

42:05

even though she personally does not

42:07

agree with the and so he

42:09

goes back to my earlier conversation

42:12

about the type of frictions that

42:14

Biden said to me of this

42:16

topic is causing because of the

42:19

diversity within the Democratic party and

42:21

so a lot of people who

42:23

know the Ambassador are Linda Thomas

42:26

Greenfield are troubled by her votes,

42:28

but they know it's not her.

42:30

is Biden. And so. Is

42:33

it so is? Just hope

42:35

is that the red of

42:37

these their read stream ties

42:39

that bind in light of

42:41

moral integrity so address this

42:43

issue is causing and he

42:45

can definitely and do this

42:47

by until he dies. I

42:50

think it will honestly take

42:52

a loss. For. Many democrats

42:54

the really appreciate this because I don't

42:56

think they really understand the gravity of

42:58

how devastating effect this going to have

43:01

or the electorate. People. Hundred nor

43:03

pulls a nappy to. So much can

43:05

happen with any. You're right the October

43:07

Surprise is a real phenomenon. it's let

43:09

help hand trump the White House and

43:11

Twenty six the com his letter once

43:13

a big. October, Surprise, and

43:15

so a lot of hop and

43:18

between now and then. But right

43:20

now, the polling, especially this time

43:22

Sienna College poll is pointing to

43:24

a very divided electorate, a long

43:26

generational lines. It's the millennials and

43:29

Gens, the versus the olds, and

43:31

that that's obvious it doesn't represent

43:33

everyone, right. There's all sorts of

43:35

generalizations there, but this is just

43:37

the reality is that this is

43:40

divisive. Their electoral college is going

43:42

to be extremely close. Whichever

43:44

party wins is going to be

43:47

have a very tight race and

43:49

as travel at mentioned before you

43:51

have sizable. Palestinian. Arab

43:54

populations in the so called

43:56

Blue Wall of Michigan. And.

43:58

Pennsylvania and with. And so

44:01

on. So there needs to be

44:03

results. The time for slogans, The

44:05

time for statements. The time for

44:07

hugging Netanyahu. Is over. And.

44:09

Now there needs to be a cease

44:11

fire. And. That's not.

44:14

Because. Anyone here is pro

44:16

Hamas or doesn't have what of See

44:18

these hostages come home. Please.

44:20

Understand that some of the experts

44:22

we listened to err on the

44:25

ground in Israel or progressives on

44:27

the ground in Israel's of an

44:29

utter or analysts were saying there's

44:31

a massive growing movement, protests again

44:34

continuing calling for Netanyahu to resign

44:36

and because they don't see this

44:38

war. As conducive to getting

44:40

these hostages free their it will

44:42

deal with Hamas leader will deal

44:44

with any sort of war later.

44:46

Right now is the time for

44:48

negotiation. Get these hostages fried and

44:51

instead a negotiation is just a

44:53

Russian spy. Your. What the

44:55

Russians did to Chechnya with the

44:57

Russians did him to Syria with

45:00

the lessons did to several cities

45:02

across Ukraine. Mariel Bowl That's it

45:04

Israeli forces are doing to Gaza

45:07

leveling leveling the city is executing

45:09

civilians on site as we saw

45:11

with these three Israeli hostages and

45:14

and the time for that. How.

45:16

Much worse can it get? In how

45:19

much rock bottom more can we get

45:21

Like and is there needs to be

45:23

meaningful response from the Us Now to

45:25

release. End this. So let us have

45:27

a though in the U N Calling

45:29

for that ceasefire. Let us join the

45:31

global community calling now for the ceasefire.

45:33

That would go a very long way

45:35

and I know Republicans as you mentioned

45:37

drill Lock, Stock and Barrel. they are

45:39

all in line, very militant and they

45:41

will take to Fox News a whole

45:43

far echo chamber and destroy bite and

45:45

politically. But Biden will finally. be

45:48

he'll be entering the right side of

45:50

history on this issue and i'll go

45:52

along way finally making amends and it

45:54

backing it up with meaningful action massive

45:57

military aid to palestinian ending these hostilities

45:59

and yes There's a way

46:01

to get Hamas leadership. There's

46:03

a way to look at the episode, Israel

46:06

and Palestine, a political solution that talks about

46:08

how to deal with the Hamas problem. It's

46:10

all there. But our point is

46:12

that this is the issue going into 2024.

46:16

Indeed it is. I want

46:18

to include in our discussion,

46:21

Clarissa Ward of CNN became

46:23

the first Western journalist to

46:25

enter Gaza since October 7th.

46:28

After some of her report from on

46:31

the ground in Gaza, it's important to

46:33

note that she did not enter Gaza

46:35

with the IDF, which has been

46:37

censoring news reports from journalists, as well

46:40

as killing a record number of

46:42

journalists in Gaza. Instead,

46:44

Ward entered with an Emirati medical

46:46

team. We'll

46:48

play a clip now of her coverage. UAE

46:52

medical volunteers, the Emirati medical volunteers

46:54

who we went in with to

46:56

their field hospital. But still, even

46:58

in that brief window, Gail, you

47:00

really got a sense of the absolute

47:02

horrors that have

47:05

been taking place in Gaza. This

47:07

hospital was filled with the

47:09

youngest victims of this war, children

47:11

who have been disfigured, who are

47:14

in full body tasks, who are

47:16

covered in burns. Two-thirds

47:19

of the victims have been women

47:21

and children. And we definitely saw that

47:23

born out in this hospital.

47:26

There was a strike just minutes

47:28

after we arrived near the hospital.

47:31

Two casualties brought in a 13-year-old

47:33

boy who had lost half his

47:35

leg, an older man with

47:37

his foot hanging off. And

47:40

so it was chilling. It was

47:42

harrowing and a

47:45

very sobering experience to

47:47

see just how difficult

47:50

life is on the ground. Like

47:52

when you've lost CNN, that's

47:56

how you know things have gotten really bad. They

47:59

are. I watched

48:01

the entire clip.

48:03

From. Plus war an aptitude. I was really

48:05

great. And it was exceptional

48:08

journalism and she ought to be

48:10

committee for I have nothing but

48:12

go stars Platinum stars, whatever you

48:14

can give her a it was

48:16

his outstanding amp for. Her

48:19

to be a mainstream media outlet

48:21

that really prides itself on carrying

48:23

the new troops home. The.

48:25

Best thing about heard journalism

48:28

was that. It. Gave

48:30

unfortunately the type of credibility

48:32

that certain people need in

48:34

order to see the devastation

48:36

of what is happening. I

48:38

feel like see, Hat

48:40

seat, She had a far

48:42

greater hurdle to overcome. And.

48:45

Regards to reporting that humanity of

48:47

what is happening to people on

48:49

the ground and gods been id

48:52

it. When. I was covering Ukraine.

48:54

And. It's simply because.

48:57

That. Too many folks in

48:59

the American public in the world

49:01

public don't value. Palestinian.

49:03

Lives in the same way that they do Ukrainian was

49:06

and we have to be very. Frank. And

49:08

direct about that, because again, As

49:10

very little to do with the facts per se,

49:13

it's about how people feel. And.

49:15

So much of why people are so

49:17

resistant to pushing Israel as because of

49:19

their own prejudices, their racial prejudice, beards

49:22

in a phobic prejudices and so far

49:24

less awards the white woman ago when

49:26

blonde by one to go away and

49:28

and show that devastation and a see

49:31

her almost break down into tears. All.

49:33

Unfortunately for a lot of

49:36

people, Humanize.

49:38

These people and I hate to use

49:40

that terminology, but I'm talking about who

49:42

were dealing with you in the American

49:44

public's human. These people. In ways

49:46

that mainstream media rarely dies and so

49:49

were Really stood out with me. About

49:51

her work in a forty minute clip

49:53

was that she went from bad to

49:55

be a cushy when it's a hospital

49:57

and she was going from one cuts.

50:00

The another is showing children which

50:02

really punch a waste of white

50:04

for a lot of folks and

50:06

debt. Thousands of children have been

50:08

killed. And so it was

50:10

almost like a montage and seizures,

50:12

literally taken a microphone. The people

50:14

she speaks Arabic and communicated with

50:16

folks and. If. We

50:18

need more reporting that way. And

50:21

I'm I'm not sure of any

50:23

other reporting. People. Being

50:26

able to go are being able or

50:28

really trying to go into Gaza and

50:30

the way that she did and so

50:33

what it tells me is that mainstream

50:35

media were far more resources than I

50:37

have when I was in Ukraine. They.

50:40

Are able to tell these type of stories

50:42

but they don't. And. The question.

50:45

Is why. It's a choice. And

50:47

I want to say Clarissa Ward has

50:49

been consistently good. On her

50:52

Ukraine and Russia coverage Swat listen

50:54

Clarissa Ward knocked on the door

50:56

as an asset be Aids and

50:58

who was on the task force

51:00

to assassinate elect seen evolving and

51:02

his wife when they're on vacation

51:04

to slip you know like them

51:06

radioactive toxins that assists the into

51:09

their underwear it average She does

51:11

like how did it does add

51:13

as be killer. This. Hired

51:15

gun for the Russian mafia at his

51:17

home of the and you know, so

51:19

she's is. He's consistently good and it's

51:21

and of course she's going to be

51:23

the first journalist amount from the American

51:25

side and Western side into Gaza. She's

51:27

like the Martha Gellhorn and of her

51:29

age or in and really putting her

51:31

body on her life on line. God

51:33

bless her like that's what we need.

51:36

More of this They mean there's no

51:38

guarantee she's going to survive this conflict.

51:40

She could be killed by the Israeli

51:42

side. They're just killing killing killing dozens

51:44

of journalists. And aid workers anyway

51:46

will listen of we fell short

51:48

and this conversation of not providing

51:50

context of not providing at other

51:52

points state of view or the

51:54

right to the show a dazzling

51:57

synergy mother com. Dazzling. Essentially

51:59

not a call. Share your thoughts, share

52:01

what you know flag for us, we're

52:03

missing the other dynamic at play here,

52:05

as at Roland. I'd had this conversation

52:07

on and off the show for very

52:09

long time and so some of it

52:11

is. I don't feel like I'm doing

52:13

the same show over and over again,

52:16

so also listen to previous episodes. We've

52:18

done so many deep dives on on

52:20

this crisis and ways out of it

52:22

from all different perspectives and elevating a

52:24

lot of Palestinian and Israeli voices for

52:26

peace. And so I encourage everyone to

52:28

listen to those old episodes. Of the

52:30

haven't yet. I really do believe that

52:33

we were early and seeing what needs

52:35

to be said and a lot of

52:37

those episodes have and aged well and

52:40

are of of or warnings and fortunately

52:42

have come to pass. Netanyahu cannot be

52:44

trusted. Netanyahu must go now and the

52:47

Us must join the global community and

52:49

in standing up to this genocidal bad

52:51

guy because anytime you have unchecked power

52:54

in the world, that's a danger to

52:56

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