8:00

And it doesn't stop there. Apparently

8:02

Liam had been reaching out to

8:04

her nonstop also. Yeah. And

8:06

so much so that she allegedly issued

8:08

a cease and desist letter to him

8:11

last week. And according to this people

8:13

source, Liam was extremely overwhelmed by all

8:15

of the legal issues. She

8:17

also alleges that he was reaching out nonstop,

8:19

not only to her, but to friends of

8:21

hers and also her mom. Oh.

8:24

So this is all alleged, but

8:26

if this is true, that

8:29

does seem like a pretty pervasive

8:31

problem and not something that

8:34

anyone would want to deal with. Yeah. Now,

8:36

a source who claims to be

8:38

close to Maya told the Daily Mail she's in shock in

8:41

light of his passing and ever since the news of his

8:43

death broke. We've heard from other

8:45

celebrities who have been posting their tributes online. So

8:48

Charlie Puth shared an Instagram story yesterday that said,

8:50

I am in shock right now, Liam was always

8:52

so kind to me, I cannot believe he is

8:54

gone. And on X, Paris

8:56

Hilton wrote, so upsetting to hear the

8:58

news of Liam Payne passing, sending love

9:00

and condolences to his family and loved

9:02

ones. RIP my friend. Now

9:05

as of right now, Liam's girlfriend, Kate

9:07

Cassidy, Cheryl Cole, the mother of his

9:09

child, and the other guys from One

9:11

Direction have not commented on his death.

9:14

But Liam's mom did share a heartbreaking post

9:17

on Instagram that said, just a boy with

9:19

a picture of a broken heart emoji. That's

9:21

gotta be, we talk about this all the

9:23

time. When a parent loses a child, it's

9:25

just, it's devastating, you know? It's devastating and

9:27

this is something, I don't know if I

9:29

brought this up on the show before, but

9:31

I think this is something that you and

9:33

I have spoken about. Which is this very

9:36

tenuous line that I think famous people have to

9:38

walk where they're like, do I comment

9:41

on this or not? And how soon do I

9:43

comment? And because I've been seeing some intel out

9:45

there of like, it's really kind of like messed

9:47

up that the boys from One Direction haven't said

9:49

anything yet, and you're like, well, this

9:51

is not even 24 hours. I know. And

9:54

they were close and they have

9:56

an established relationship. And it's also

9:59

entirely possible. also

16:00

claiming his inappropriate behavior has extended

16:02

to who would have been

16:05

at the time his then girlfriend Bianca

16:07

Sensori. Yeah. In her filing, Lauren

16:09

claims Kanye had a kink of

16:11

wanting to have sex with the

16:14

mothers of his sexual targets. Good

16:16

Lord. Which she says included Bianca,

16:18

who she also refers to in

16:20

the suit as Kanye's on-call sex

16:22

party participant slash employee. Oh

16:24

yeah. So Lauren alleges that Kanye

16:26

showed her a screenshot of a text conversation

16:28

between him and Bianca about

16:31

wanting to have sex with Bianca's mom

16:33

and wanting Bianca to watch. Now,

16:35

Lauren claims that Bianca responded to

16:38

Kanye's texts because he insists upon

16:40

it. And she alleges to have seen

16:42

a reply from Bianca that said, my mom is married.

16:45

I'm going to fuck someone this weekend and tell you

16:47

the next time you're inside me. It's

16:50

like, come on. Well, I

16:52

will say that is

16:55

actually a textbook response. And

16:58

again, I'm not saying this is their

17:00

dynamic, but that is a

17:02

very common type of response from

17:04

someone who is being emotionally

17:07

manipulated, abused. It's

17:10

a means of sort of saying like, ha

17:12

ha ha, I'm not going to do that. Yeah.

17:15

Let me try and trade it off with this other

17:17

thing that I think, right. Exactly. It's

17:19

deflection to appease him. Correct. Yes.

17:23

Correct. So far, Kanye and Lauren

17:26

have yet to comment on, you know,

17:28

all these latest allegations, at least. Yeah.

17:31

They haven't talked about it publicly as far as we know. Right. But

17:33

here's what Kanye's lawyers had to say about

17:35

Lauren's original suit that she filed back in

17:37

June. Yes. In a statement

17:40

to the media, Kanye's lawyers called Lauren's accusations

17:42

baseless and said it was Lauren who tried

17:44

to pursue Kanye sexually. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

17:47

In order to coerce employment and other material

17:49

benefits from him. Kanye's

17:52

lawyers also said prior to Lauren's termination

17:54

as an assistant, she stole Kanye's cell

17:56

phone in an attempt to destroy phone

17:58

records that would contradict her claims. all

18:00

of which have been preserved. His legal

18:02

team also said at the time that

18:04

Kanye would be filing a counter suit,

18:06

although we haven't found anything indicating that

18:08

he has or hasn't done that as

18:10

of right now, so. Do you also

18:12

like how careful I'm being about like,

18:14

guys, it's alleged and, you know,

18:17

like this is all, like we have to be careful and

18:19

literally, I'm like, bullshit,

18:21

this is all bullshit. I

18:24

know, well this happens every single time. Diddy's

18:26

lawyers did the same thing. It's like, oh,

18:28

these people are crazy. This never happened. What?

18:30

Come on, we'd never do that. It's like,

18:32

shut up, just shut up. We're not dumb.

18:34

And also, like, we

18:37

weren't hatched out of an egg yesterday. Yeah.

18:41

And to keep in line with my thing about like,

18:43

everyone needs to grow up, it's like we also weren't

18:45

born yesterday and I think we can have a pretty

18:47

clear, like, spidey sense about

18:49

someone's behavior based on, I

18:52

don't know, how long has Kanye West been famous

18:54

now? Almost 20 years? Too long. Like, yes, I

18:56

mean, there's a history that would lead us to

18:58

believe that he maybe isn't a

19:00

stranger to some pretty suspect behavior. I mean,

19:02

these terrible men and their terrible lawyers are

19:05

always banking on the fact that the public

19:07

is gonna believe that women are crazy and

19:09

women make up lies and women do this

19:12

and that for money. And

19:14

so they just throw out these claims, hoping that

19:16

people latch onto them and believe them. And

19:18

it's absurd, you know? Well, not

19:20

only is it absurd, but it's also

19:22

like, and this is something, I don't

19:25

know if you noticed this in like the reporting of this

19:27

story, very interesting the way

19:29

that people are showing pictures of her and

19:31

the kinds of pictures they're showing about Lauren

19:33

in the reporting of the story because Lauren,

19:35

in case people don't know, prior to becoming

19:37

involved with Kanye as his assistant, she was

19:39

an OnlyFans model, earning her living that way.

19:41

Apparently very lucrative for her. Like, I've

19:44

seen reports that she was earning approximately a million

19:46

dollars a year doing that line of work, so

19:48

like good for her. But, you

19:51

know, the pictures that people are

19:53

posting of her are not

19:55

suggestive, but it paints

19:57

a picture that she. is

20:00

a sexualized person and the undercurrent

20:02

of that is, oh,

20:04

well, of course a girl quote

20:06

unquote like that would get herself in

20:09

this position. Yeah, yeah. It's

20:11

just another way of blaming the way women dress.

20:14

Yeah, 100%. It's like, I'm

20:18

sick of it. Yes, 100%. Well,

20:20

here's some great news everybody. We

20:22

get to move on. Thank God. Honestly,

20:25

I've never been so thrilled to move on

20:27

in my entire life. There's a pattern on

20:29

this show, Liam, of every time you fill

20:31

in, the stories are so dark and serious.

20:33

I know. What is that about? I

20:35

mean, I really hope it's not my karma. And

20:38

I also want to say this, that it is

20:40

famously a full moon tonight. So we need to

20:42

be doing some manifesting to court some more positive

20:44

stories. Can I just say it's a full moon

20:46

in your sign? In Aries. Everyone. And

20:49

listen, not to make it about this, Ritchie's, but if you're

20:51

an Aries who's been going through it, we're about to be

20:53

vindicated, I hope. Bless. I hope. Bless.

20:56

Now listen, moving on to two people personally,

20:59

I'm thrilled that we're talking about them just because I'm a big fan.

21:02

I love that for you. I mean, Nicole Kidman and

21:04

Salma Hayek, I mean, two queens amongst us. I mean,

21:06

that's just how that goes. Last

21:08

month, they were guests at the Balenciaga

21:10

show at Paris Fashion Week. And

21:13

in a resurface video from that event that

21:15

got passed around over the weekend, it

21:18

looks like Salma and Nicole maybe

21:20

had a bit of a tense moment with each other.

21:23

Yes. OK, so here's the play-by-play of

21:25

this so-called tense moment that everyone's talking

21:27

about. It starts off with Nicole

21:29

joining Salma and Katy Perry on the press line,

21:31

and she has her back to the cameras, like

21:33

the paparazzi cameras. And then it looks like Salma

21:36

kind of tries to turn Nicole around by putting

21:38

a hand on her upper arm, and

21:40

then she kind of moves it down to

21:42

her waist, and Nicole kind of pushes Salma's

21:44

hand away, and then she turns her back

21:46

to the camera again and kisses Katy Perry

21:48

on the cheek, and then she

21:50

walks away. Now, there is some speculation.

21:54

People have different ideas of what was

21:56

said by both people. Including your co-host,

21:58

by the way. Yeah, they'll be. I

22:00

can't hear shit. So

22:03

it looks like Selma's kind of

22:05

trying to get the line to move along. Yes. To

22:08

get these photos and like kind of get people to move along.

22:10

That's the vibe I got. Yes. So

22:12

after Nicole walks away, to me it

22:14

sounds like Selma says, yes, please advance.

22:17

Like meaning, get to stepping. Yeah.

22:20

And then Nicole says something else

22:23

off-camera. And we don't,

22:25

it's hard to make out when Nicole says.

22:27

It sounds like she's kind of like saying,

22:29

you don't have to, and then I can't

22:31

hear it after that. And then

22:33

it sounds to me like Selma says, I do.

22:37

Well, because Nicole was

22:39

like, will you take this ring and

22:41

be my lawfully wedded wife? Yes,

22:44

yes. I just, to me, it

22:47

seemed like Nicole was like, you know, you

22:49

don't have to control the line or whatever.

22:52

You don't have to push people along, whatever.

22:54

It had that same, that vibe. Right. And

22:57

Selma's like, well, I do. So I don't know if

22:59

that's exactly what they said, but, you

23:01

know. Well, I mean, here's the thing that

23:04

we now have in common with essentially every

23:06

single person online, which is that we have

23:08

our theories. Yes, of course. And

23:11

so ever since this video resurfaced on

23:13

Saturday, it's like, first of all, of

23:15

course it's gone viral because even on

23:18

like Exolone, one video has been watched

23:20

700,000 times. This

23:23

is everyone's trying to make out what they said. I

23:25

know, literally. And just like the back 15 of like,

23:27

what? Yeah. Like, truly no idea.

23:30

So for anyone who's struggling and

23:32

is wondering about what they think

23:34

happened, you're not alone.

23:37

And great news. Lip readers, they're on

23:39

the damn case. I

23:41

am sorry. Lip readers are having such

23:43

a moment. I know. A

23:46

couple of years. It feels to me

23:48

like they're almost like. Okay.

23:52

Remember back in the 50s how everyone had like, like there was like the gossip

23:54

column and it was like the gossip column in the movie magazines and you like

23:56

had to be like careful for like such and such. I was going to turn

23:58

up at a party because they were going to. spill

24:00

all the beans. This is how I feel now

24:02

about lip readers where like you think you're protected

24:04

as a celebrity because you're like, oh I'm saying

24:06

something kind of quietly at a party. And then

24:09

there's one person who's like, hey great news that

24:11

person told the person to go fuck themselves. I

24:15

need to point out for anyone who's only

24:17

listened to this which is everyone

24:19

now because we're not on full video, but Liam

24:21

was doing, he was holding his hands up like

24:23

he was smoking a cigarette in the 50s. Yeah.

24:25

And I think that's important for people to know.

24:27

Well it's my character choice. I get

24:30

it. I get it. Yeah.

24:32

Yeah. It's your prop work. That's right. So

24:35

back to these forensic lip

24:37

readers, which is just wilds that we're throwing forensic in

24:39

front of their title, but you know what? Let's live

24:42

a little. So on Monday

24:44

Jeremy Freeman, who is a forensic lip reader,

24:46

told page six what he thinks happened between

24:48

Selma and Nicole. So he

24:50

says everything started with Selma telling Nicole,

24:52

let's turn there to which

24:55

Jeremy thinks Nicole responded, hey I'm

24:57

fine, I'm good, there it's enough,

24:59

it's okay. What?

25:04

And he claims that Selma

25:06

interjects with we have to

25:08

before putting her hand on her shoulder. Meaning like

25:11

we have to, I think what he's saying is

25:13

like we have to turn to like get this

25:15

picture. Yeah. Or have to move along or kind

25:17

of what you said was like a dance. Yeah.

25:19

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just get this going. And

25:21

then he thinks Nicole says that's fine, that's fine.

25:25

Now a lot of people online are convinced that

25:27

the interaction was tense. Well others are arguing that

25:29

Selma and Nicole were just stressed out because they

25:31

had so many paparazzi in their face. Well

25:34

and I would also like to say too like no

25:37

shit. I know. I

25:39

mean I am a person like

25:42

you and I were not raised like the

25:44

way that kids are now with cameras constantly in

25:46

their face. Like everything's being documented in a given

25:48

moment. If there is even a single camera on

25:50

me that I know a friend is taking a

25:52

picture of me, I'm gonna be honest, I freeze

25:54

up. I freeze up and I become

25:57

the most unnatural version of myself where I'm like well

25:59

I'm a I'm about to incur my own private hell

26:01

with the pressure of this picture, but let's go. Let's

26:03

go. I grew up with a

26:06

mom who had a camcorder. So

26:08

like every holiday was there was a camcorder.

26:10

So that's why I know I was born

26:12

to be a reality TV star. Well, and

26:14

what people actually don't know is that many

26:16

instances off Mike, Brooke has let it slip

26:19

to me that she does believe she should be immortalized on

26:21

film. Well, I mean, I don't

26:23

think I'm alone in that thinking. I mean, those

26:26

cheekbones, we can't let those go to waste. Exactly.

26:28

That's right. But now to your

26:30

point about maybe Selma and Nicole being

26:32

stressed out about paparazzi, there might be

26:35

something to this theory because according to

26:37

a People magazine source, this

26:39

whole damn thing, you're never going to believe

26:41

it, has maybe been blown out of proportion

26:43

a little bit. What? I know.

26:46

Yeah. So on Monday, that

26:48

People source said they were being bombarded by cameras

26:50

at the end of the show while in the

26:52

middle of a conversation. People are looking at clips

26:54

and making a story out of nothing. And

26:57

an Us Weekly source also chimed in and said,

26:59

there is no beef between the two women. They

27:01

are close friends. And there's nothing to this story.

27:04

Now, Selma and Nicole obviously have

27:06

not commented on this. But Selma did post

27:09

a picture of her and Nicole from the

27:11

Balenciaga show on her Instagram. So

27:13

maybe there's no Bad Blood after all. But I will

27:15

say, they can still be friends and have a moment

27:17

like this. I can see me and Aritia getting

27:20

pissed off at each other in a stressful moment like this.

27:22

I mean, like, all right, just move along. I

27:25

know Aritia being like, my legs weren't made for walking.

27:28

And I would like to say that not only can

27:30

I see it, I have seen it. And you

27:33

know, I have seen it. And

27:35

you know what? That does happen. There's

27:37

a reason, I say, when the three of us travel

27:39

together that I'm going to fight with my siblings. You

27:41

know, there's a reason I say that. It's

27:45

so accurate. I know. It

27:47

also does kind of feel slightly like I'm the

27:49

child of two parents that are really trying to

27:51

keep it together. Well,

27:53

sometimes I feel like that as well when you and Aritia

27:55

are going at it. You know, it kind of ping pongs

27:58

around the groove. Yes. And this is the

28:00

way. the beauty of our dynamic, you know? But

28:02

I will say, Liam, you know who never gets into it? Me

28:04

and you. Isn't that

28:06

true? It's very

28:08

true. Actually, that is true. Because

28:11

every time you bring up an idea, I'm like, that

28:13

is, I think, what we should do. It

28:15

must be nice having someone just constantly agree with

28:18

you. The only time I get mad

28:20

at you is when we play the seven degrees of separation game. And

28:22

then I'm like, nope, I'm not playing this game anymore.

28:24

It's too, Liam's too good at it, enough. Well, and

28:27

then you and Arisha kick my ass at my mouth,

28:29

so it all evens out. It

28:31

really does. It really does. Yeah. But

28:33

I'm sure these two are fine. I'm sure it

28:35

was a 10. I'm sure two things can be true. It could

28:37

have been a tense moment, and they're also fine. And

28:40

that is the kind of journalistic integrity

28:42

and balance that is missing. And that's

28:45

why we need Brooke Siffrin on the

28:47

case. Exactly. Yes. All right. So,

28:49

Liam, it's time for one of

28:51

my fave segments, our Quickies of the Week.

28:53

Give me that, give me that hard rock.

28:58

Is there a Quickie story that you're

29:00

loving this week? Yes, and I think this is

29:02

going to really speak to a person that

29:04

you and I both love, and I messaged you about

29:06

this. And this is so, I mean, it's like, it's

29:08

a story, and it's not a story, but just everybody,

29:11

Stevie Nicks on Saturday Night Live over

29:13

the weekend, 76

29:15

years young, performing two songs, one of which

29:18

is new, one of which is like a

29:20

response to the political climate that we're in,

29:22

which like, God bless, I love that she's

29:24

this plugged in and paying attention, sounded great,

29:27

looked incredible. I mean,

29:29

and also for listeners who

29:31

don't know, like here's how big of a deal

29:33

Stevie Nicks is to Brooke and I. Stevie Nicks

29:36

is one of the few people that can actually

29:38

lure Brooke to a concert. I was gonna say,

29:40

I saw her in concert. When was that? Last

29:42

year? Yeah, around that. What is time? Yeah. But

29:45

she was amazing. She was amazing. I loved being

29:47

able to see her live. Well, what about you?

29:49

Is there a story that you're like, that's really

29:51

tickling you right now? Yes, so I

29:53

was trying to choose between two. I

29:55

guess I could maybe say them both if we got time.

29:58

So the first one is Britney Spears listing all of. her

30:00

girl crushes and saying Selena Gomez drew

30:02

Barrymore. And

30:05

then at the end of it, she's like, I'm working on a novel. And

30:08

it's like, okay. Well, you know, we

30:11

love when people just

30:13

let slip that they're actually wordsmiths,

30:15

you know? Exactly. And

30:17

then my second quick one is, did you see

30:20

Nick Jonas run off stage when someone pointed a

30:22

laser pointer at his head? No,

30:24

who is he, a cat? No,

30:26

well, so they were in concert. The Jonas

30:28

Brothers were doing a concert in Prague and

30:30

somebody pointed a laser pointer at Nick's head

30:32

and he was like, nope, nope. And he

30:34

like ran off stage because you

30:36

don't, I mean, that very well could have been

30:38

a weapon. Like you don't know in today's world.

30:40

Yes. Oh, that was really

30:43

my Canadian bias working at play. I was like, what

30:45

could be the problem? It must be a cat thing.

30:47

Yeah. There's no crime in Canada.

30:49

But I was like, whoa, that's wild. Just

30:51

seeing him like run off the stage was

30:53

crazy. And I kind of get it, you

30:55

know? Like, it's a wild time to

30:57

be alive. Well, yeah, everyone, you know

30:59

what? Here's what we can, here's the note to go

31:01

out on because we talk about concert etiquette a lot.

31:03

Everyone stopped throwing shit on stage and everyone,

31:05

you know what, as an add on, maybe

31:09

let's leave the laser pointers at home. Leave

31:12

all your shit at home. Yeah. Keep

31:14

your phone. Bring your phone and your ticket stub

31:16

and you're good. Yeah, which your ticket stub is

31:18

probably on your phone. I know,

31:20

me, back to like I'm in the 70s. Oh,

31:23

am I? Here comes that fake cigarette again.

31:26

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31:29

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Bandler revolutionized the world of self-help all

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thanks to an approach he developed called

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neuro-linguistic programming. Even though NLP worked for

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some, its methods have been criticized for

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being dangerous in the wrong hands. Throw

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in Richard's dark past as a cocaine

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addict and murder suspect, and you can't

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help but wonder what his true intentions

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were. I'm Saachi Cole. And

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I'm Sarah Hagee. And we're the hosts

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of Scamfluencers, a weekly podcast from Wendry

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that takes you along the twists and

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turns of the most infamous scams of

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all time, the impact on victims, and

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what's left once the facade falls away.

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We recently dove into the story of

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the godfather of modern mental manipulation, Richard

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Bandler, whose methods inspired some of the

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most toxic and criminal self-help movements of

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the last two decades. Follow Scamfluencers on

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the Wendry app or wherever you get

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your podcasts. You can listen to Scamfluencers

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