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This is Ethnically Ambiguous. I'm Sharen, Hi,

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I am Anna, and

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we have another topical episode

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today talking about Palestine,

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our feelings about what's happening in the last week.

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We talked a little bit about Biden

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being a piece of shit. We talk about, uh,

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just the fallacy

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of liberals ion and we talking about a lot of stuff.

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So talk about our empathy falling

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away for white Zionists

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who really really like to

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say some horrible stuff with their chests. So

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stay tuned. I guess who

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are we? Where

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do these I'm who do we

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become? What is it to

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be? What to be? Is

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it? Where are

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we? Who are my parents?

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Where are my parents? Why

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were we born? We

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are ethnically

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Ambiguous. Hi,

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Sharen, hi Anna.

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Hello. Quick

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death toll update. We're

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over eighteen thousand. Depressing

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to open with, but yeah, you're right, that is

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but what we were the world we live in now, it's

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we're at eighteen thousand, six

2:00

hundred. Yeah,

2:04

and apparently Israel has revised

2:06

as death toll to now it is one thousand,

2:09

one hundred and forty seven. So Palestinian

2:12

is just keep on getting a higher

2:14

death toll while the Israeli one keeps

2:16

going down. Something

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to think about. I don't know. It's

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also really shitty right now because

2:26

there's a bunch of rain and the

2:28

rainfall is making everything

2:31

just being flooded. Everything is flooding,

2:33

and there are all these videos of people walking

2:36

like knee deep in rain water

2:38

and flood water, and people

2:41

are displaced to their intents

2:43

and their tents are falling apart and they're

2:45

sleeping in the cold and the rain. It's

2:48

just not It

2:50

hasn't been good for a while, but the

2:52

weather is one hundred percent not making it any

2:54

better. Yeah,

2:56

we're or in a real humanitarian crisis on

2:59

top of you know, a Jennet side. You know, it's

3:02

all falling apart. And I

3:05

was actually talking to Jack O'Brien earlier

3:07

today and Miles Gray, and I was saying,

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like the universe's

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karmic shift is coming.

3:17

I think people should prepare for a Trump presidency.

3:19

I think people should prepare for the worst because

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I think what this government has

3:23

done is shown that there

3:26

is no democracy, you know, with Biden

3:29

bypassing Congress to give

3:34

money to Israel to further

3:38

their weapons situation, I

3:41

think it's

3:44

only downhill from here. Yeah.

3:47

Describing it as like a

3:50

karmick almost like a boomerang, I

3:52

think it's a good way to put it.

3:54

I think you're right, there's no I

3:58

mean, that's the only way I see it going. It's

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uh,

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I don't know, and every it's

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it's been over, it's I think it's we're sitting

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at sixty eight days right now, right now, it's

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we're we're recording this Hondaycember thirteenth, So

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just for context, but

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I just I just can't.

4:20

I don't understand how people are just like functioning

4:22

as normal as there's a literal

4:24

genocide happening for the last like over

4:26

two months, and there's

4:30

people don't realize there's going to be a consequence

4:33

for that, and uh, I

4:37

don't know. Just uh, I've been feeling

4:39

really off. I think I think everyone feels really off.

4:41

Who's been paying attention to this stuff. It just feels really

4:43

bizarre to still be existing in the world

4:45

and like needing to worry about dumb

4:48

shit that you have to

4:50

do to keep yourself alive. I

4:53

don't know. Yeah,

4:57

And the most like horrifying thing that's happened

5:00

is that Israel

5:04

killed women,

5:06

children, babies execution style and the

5:08

shad Yabu Gazala school in Gaza.

5:12

Uh, I don't know why

5:15

that's not getting more pressed because an execution

5:17

style killing where

5:19

we have actual footage showing bodies piled

5:22

up after Israel attack the

5:24

school, which hey, let

5:26

me tell you, I don't really think there's any Hamas in

5:28

that school, but hey, what do I know.

5:30

I'm sure they find a way to. They

5:35

just find a way to like spin

5:38

everything. And I mean

5:40

multiple sources are saying that they were shot point

5:43

blank. Yeah, Israel soldiers came

5:45

in and just opened fired on them. Yeah.

5:48

Well there was one excuse that that guy the fuck

5:50

was like forgive something. This one spokesperson

5:53

always talks on the news. He's

5:55

the most punishable face. I hate him so much.

5:58

But there was one interview

6:00

I saw where I think it was Mendy

6:03

Hassan who was talking, and maybe

6:05

it wasn't. It was someone talking about how,

6:08

uh, my colleague, like

6:11

his entire family was just killed

6:14

and they're not Hamas. I'm like, how do you explain

6:16

that? And the guy is like, well,

6:18

if I uh correct me if I'm mistaken,

6:20

but they were a Northern Gaza, right, And

6:22

the guy's like what And the fucking

6:24

idspokesperson is like, well, we

6:27

told everyone to leave, so like

6:29

they were anyone that was left, Like,

6:32

how do we know they're not? Hamas like basically

6:34

saying that, Like he was like blaming the family

6:37

for staying in Northern Gaza and

6:39

that's why they were killed. I was just I'll

6:41

try to find the video for reference,

6:44

but it really made me upset. And I feel like that same

6:46

argument will be used in some fashion for this where

6:48

it's like we told everyone to leave,

6:50

like it's not our fault they were still there even

6:52

though we have nowhere for them to go, and

6:55

these are people that can't move. But

6:59

I have a feeling that's gonna be used as an excuse

7:01

a lot where it's like we gave them mourning

7:03

where the most moral army in the world, no other

7:06

army sends out flyers telling

7:08

them they're gonna die soon. I

7:12

don't know, really just is

7:14

infuriating. Yeah,

7:19

they'll be like, hey, you need

7:21

to evacuate to this area, just kidding that area

7:23

is not safe there. You need to evacuate to this area,

7:25

just kidding that area is not safe there, You need to evacuate

7:27

to this area, just kidding, nothing is safe. We're just gonna

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kill you all. And the

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places that they're telling them to go are also

7:34

getting bombed. And you see all these like first

7:36

hand accounts on Instagram from people

7:38

that are on the ground, and it's horrific.

7:42

And then you see fucking Western news

7:44

outlets just still

7:46

repeating the same fucking bullshit talking

7:48

points that Israel is giving them about October

7:51

seventh and all this stuff, and it's just it

7:54

really really irritates me that we are

7:57

also consumed with

8:00

all of this bullshit about how there's

8:04

like a call for Jewish genocide when

8:06

there's an actual genocide taking place, not against

8:08

Jewish people but against Palestinians, and people are

8:10

like so consumed with the fear of

8:13

a make believe genocide that is

8:15

not even happening versus one that's actually

8:17

happening, that doesn't make them upset at all. Doesn't

8:22

make any sense to me, doesn't make any sense to me. It's

8:24

uh,

8:29

it is never ending. It feels

8:31

like huh.

8:38

I mean, and

8:40

they got doctor Rifat,

8:43

a Larier poet professor,

8:46

they killed him who he's now

8:50

been martyred. And I thought this was very interesting.

8:53

Brian Cox mm hmmm,

8:55

actor succession married

8:58

to a Persian woman. Very interesting. He

9:01

did a reading of If I Must Die,

9:03

which was Rufast's

9:05

final poem that he wrote,

9:08

which is so it's all so devastating,

9:12

You're like, what are we even doing here anymore?

9:16

Yeah? I

9:18

don't get it. I don't get why

9:20

this continues to be okay. I don't

9:22

get why the US is just

9:24

slowly destroying everything around

9:27

itself and like destroying

9:29

all public opinion of

9:31

the like democrats. It's like, why

9:33

do you guys think this is a good idea? Like why

9:35

why is not a single person unable

9:39

to be like, hey man, this

9:42

isn't gonna end well, Like why do they

9:44

have so much hope that people are gonna give a shit

9:46

about this democracy in the future? Like

9:49

why are they so dumb over

9:51

there? I think they're

9:53

just actually so out of touch and they've

9:55

been in power for so long that they don't

9:57

really they don't

10:00

see consequences for their actions ever,

10:02

you know what I mean? Like why would this be any different?

10:04

Like they've done atrocious stuff before, like

10:07

they've gone away with it. That's that's their

10:09

whole fucking m But

10:12

I think this time is different. I think that all

10:15

the world feels different. I think all the

10:18

support for Palestine is different. I don't

10:20

think they're taking into consideration the

10:24

gravity of what we're

10:26

seeing, even though for them maybe like

10:28

business as usual. I

10:30

do want to point out that along

10:32

with refat, I think Israel is killing

10:36

like purposefully journalists because

10:38

it doesn't want to see doesn't want people to see the truth.

10:40

I don't want people to see what's going on. And also poets,

10:42

because poets give people hope, get

10:45

like they like. His

10:48

death is so devastating because there

10:53

are all these videos of him talking about

10:57

like how hopeless he feels before he died,

10:59

and for he was killed rather and

11:01

it's just really devastating because you see it happen

11:04

with a lot of different movements where

11:06

they target people to have just strong voices

11:08

and not necessarily they're

11:11

never violent, they're just people that have a voice

11:13

of whether it's poetry or journalism,

11:16

and it's just the most targeted, transparent

11:19

act of terror, and it's really

11:21

irritating that just it just get glossed over.

11:25

Well, there's so much happening. So something

11:27

I want to talk about was the footage

11:30

that came out of the IDF parading

11:34

the Palestinian civilians with

11:36

no clothes on, writing them

11:38

around, and then they

11:41

created this like weird footage

11:43

of having the men walk

11:45

over and hand over their guns or

11:47

something like that, trying to be like this is Hamas,

11:50

we captured Hamasi. Look now they're giving their

11:52

guns away. Turns out

11:55

that was staged. The man they

11:58

had like handing over his gun was

12:00

just like a civilian. Mm hmmm.

12:03

They were able to id him I believe. I

12:05

don't even know he worked. I forget exact

12:07

his exact job, but he was just a guy

12:09

that they made. They handed him a gun and said do your

12:12

handles gun over, pretend you're forfeiting

12:14

your weapons, which is this is the problem.

12:16

It's like all absolute nonsense. They're

12:19

just you know, harassing civilians,

12:21

parading them around, you know, not a goddamn

12:23

peepe from the Western media

12:25

to be like, oh this is bad, because God

12:27

forbid Israel does anything bad. And

12:30

then on top of all that, Israel

12:33

comes out and goes like stop showing these videos

12:35

of us parading these people around naked, and it's

12:37

like, what

12:39

what are we doing here? Like, maybe

12:41

don't parade a bunch of civilians around with no clothes

12:43

on if you don't want that footage out there. Yeah,

12:47

Like, stop thinking the world is your

12:50

fucking oyster, you stupid motherfuckers.

12:53

The world is not your oyster. You

12:55

are destroying the world single handedly

12:57

with your bullshit and your Zionism and your racism

12:59

and your colonialism. That's what you're

13:02

doing. No one's doing this

13:04

to you. It

13:07

makes me fucking crazy, Like how

13:09

the gall Like

13:12

how you're just walking around with your

13:14

bullshit pouring out of your mouth and

13:16

literally not getting zapped by lightning.

13:19

Yeah that's I wish, that's

13:22

the karmic boomerang I want. But no

13:24

that the photos and videos we've seen are literally

13:28

just parallels of every photo

13:30

you've seen in like a fucking history book describing

13:32

genocide or the Holocaust or

13:35

any atrocious thing

13:38

where there are good guys and bad guys. The bad

13:40

guys are usually the soldiers that are standing above

13:42

the naked prisoners. Also, their

13:45

logic makes no sense, So you strip

13:47

shirts, you strip search the men first.

13:49

They're all naked, right, they're in their underwear because

13:51

you said that they should be. You

13:53

were checking them for suicide bombs and

13:56

weapons. Okay, so why do they still

13:58

have their guns to surrender? These videos?

14:01

Like how how does anyone buy

14:03

this shit? And also the same Regev guy,

14:05

whatever the fuck his name is, there's a video of

14:07

him being like, well, it's don't don't

14:09

forget, it's hot in the Middle East, so taking

14:11

off your shirt isn't the biggest deal in the world.

14:14

Like that, that is

14:16

something that is like an official person that is

14:18

in charge of making these decisions, like said on

14:21

camera to television when

14:23

someone is confronting them with being like,

14:25

how do you explain these stripped

14:28

men that are just like in their underwear,

14:30

And his response is it's hot over

14:32

here, so taking off your

14:35

shirt isn't the worst thing in the world. And

14:38

that just keeps and then then the news goes

14:40

on. They just accept that and they move on. That

14:42

is bonkers to me, that is so fucking

14:45

absurd, And

14:48

I just hate that people don't think critically, like just

14:50

like really think, like, so you're seeing these

14:52

videos people surrendering, how does

14:54

that make sense? Why would they have no clothes

14:56

but steal their guns. Also, you're

14:59

right, they identified a good number of them of being

15:01

just like civilians and people that work for newspapers

15:03

and just normal ass civilian

15:06

people. They're just like they were at home. It

15:09

really really makes me frustrated that people are this fucking

15:12

dense to just like believe any

15:15

bullshit without actually just thinking for a just

15:17

like one second, critically, just think

15:19

one second when you watch something and

15:21

just I

15:23

don't know, people are just so dumb.

15:29

It really makes me frustrated that, like, because

15:31

that's the whole reason that they're able to get away with all this shit,

15:33

because people buy it and it

15:35

continues. I

15:40

don't know. There is this thing I

15:42

pulled up, uh just

15:44

for context and just to really

15:46

hone in how bad

15:48

soul is. But Robert pap or Pope,

15:51

I don't know how you say this last name Pape.

15:53

He's a political science professor at the University

15:56

of Chicago. And he said,

15:58

because at this point, one percent of the population

16:01

in Gaza has been killed, like the entire like one

16:03

percent has been killed since the war began,

16:06

and in

16:08

his words, it is the Israeli campaign

16:11

of genocide against Gaza is in the top

16:13

twenty five percent of all bombing campaigns

16:15

in history as far as civilian

16:18

damage, and he said that Israel is

16:20

arguing that as so long as they can find any reason whatsoever,

16:23

including the existence of one Hammas fighter,

16:26

they're going to justify and continue

16:28

justifying virtually any infinite

16:30

amount of damage to the Palestinian population,

16:33

he said. He told, he told Al Jazeera They're

16:36

dropping bombs that might kill one Hamas

16:38

fighter, that pancakes entire buildings

16:40

or entire neighborhoods, killing hundreds

16:42

in the process. This is the very

16:44

definition of disproportionate, indiscriminate

16:47

bombing, which is like, yes, duh.

16:50

But when you have people like saying this out loud

16:52

that are experts in their field, when you have genocide

16:54

scholars saying this is genocide, and people

16:56

still are like, actually,

16:59

no, Like, what hope

17:01

do we have for actual the intelligence of

17:03

the human species if the experts

17:06

are telling you one thing and you're seeing it with

17:08

your own lying eyes, and

17:10

there are still people that are like, actually, I think this

17:13

is justified. I actually think a hundred people

17:15

dying for the death of one person, if

17:17

that is even true, is justified. That

17:20

is absurd. That is so absurd. I

17:22

also just highly I'm so,

17:26

I don't think anyone should believe anything is Reel

17:28

says at this point. And I find it really

17:30

hard to believe that even they're

17:34

like show me a Hamas

17:36

member killed, first of all, Like show

17:39

me these people that you're targeting, and show

17:41

me that you actually have, Like,

17:44

like, how am I supposed to believe that you're actually targeting

17:47

anyone that you're saying, because all I'm seeing are people

17:49

that are like civilians that are being killed. I

17:52

don't know, I don't know. I'm just bencing at this point. I'm

17:54

sorry.

17:57

Yeah, And I feel like the

18:00

Harmas of it all, it's like the

18:05

Hamas we knew when

18:10

it, you know, over the years, is

18:13

not really the

18:15

Hamas that exists now. Does

18:19

that make sense? Yeah? It does, yeh.

18:22

I think at its core, Hamas they

18:25

want an independent Palestinian state, and

18:28

that's according to its twenty seventeen manifesto,

18:36

and you know, they want freedom

18:38

for Palestinians. They want

18:40

Palestinians to be liberated,

18:44

and they declared their

18:46

willingness to reach a long term ceasefire

18:48

with Israel in exchange for a full

18:51

withdrawal from Gaza. The

18:53

West Bank and to create

18:55

a Palestinian state. Of

18:57

course, you're not going to see the Israelis agree to that.

19:00

I was just watching something today where

19:04

uh or

19:06

not a Palestinean Excuse me? A Israeli

19:08

officials said, it's it's I believe it

19:10

was. Uh. The Israeli ambassador Zippy

19:15

Jovi Tevly, Sorry, I don't know anyone's

19:17

name. Uh, he's

19:19

a an Israeli abassador's United Kingdom.

19:21

He rejected a two state solution.

19:24

He says, it's just not possible. The answer is absolutely

19:26

no. So it's like everyone

19:28

just goes like, well, Hamas

19:32

they just want to completely get rid

19:35

of Israel, And it's like

19:38

Hamas is not that unrealistic.

19:41

Yeah, Like I think you guys think like they just walk

19:43

around

19:47

accepting, but like then they like, they don't

19:49

hear that Hamas offered that solution

19:51

because all they hear is that Hamas has

19:53

rejected all peace talks in the past,

19:56

and like their narrative is so backwards.

19:58

That's why it's possible to reason

20:00

with those people, because they have this determination

20:03

to believe in fucking fantasy.

20:07

Yeah, they just want to maintain its own power

20:10

and fight for the Palestinian people, which look,

20:12

I think if there is a Palestinian state, I

20:14

don't believe Hamas is

20:17

in charge. I believe there should be a democratic

20:19

government in charge. You know. Yeah,

20:21

but I again, you know, what

20:24

do I really know? Like, honestly, I'm

20:26

so like out of goddamn loss. It's like

20:28

this quest for Palestinian sovereignty.

20:31

It's like everything it feels like should

20:33

be is like everyone around you tells you it's

20:35

not possible. So after a while

20:37

you start to be like, why

20:42

do people hate

20:45

Palestinians? Doesn't

20:48

make any sense. It

20:51

feels like everything around us

20:53

tells us it's just not possible for Palestinians

20:55

to be people. That's

20:57

true speak and then they blames

21:00

they blame every other thing. It's like, well, well, what's up

21:02

with the West Bank? You know, there's no Hamas in

21:04

the West Bank, but you refuse to not kill

21:06

and harass and kidnap and

21:08

attack those people, those Palestinians.

21:12

Yep, hundreds have already

21:14

died in a place where Hamas is

21:16

not there. So explain that

21:18

to me. You

21:21

know, I was talking to someone this week and they

21:23

were like, Hamas's whole plan is

21:26

to just eliminate Israel, and I'm

21:28

like, bro, stop repeating talking

21:30

points from like ten years

21:32

ago, Like, give me a fucking break, read

21:35

a book. One guy literally said, well, why are they raping

21:37

everyone? And I was like, oh my god, you guys are also

21:40

stupid. It's difficult to deal with you people.

21:43

I have a video that I will put

21:45

in the description from this woman,

21:48

Muna Hawa. She's a

21:51

Canadian Arab journalist

21:53

and she makes these really good videos breaking

21:56

down all the lies that Israel has

21:59

just proliferated,

22:01

I guess about hamas and about the crimes

22:04

that have being committed. One of them in particular

22:06

is about the sexual violence accusations.

22:08

And it's really really well researched

22:10

and well put together,

22:13

and you guys should watch. It will be in the description. I'll send

22:16

you link. Well, I mean, evenus like Hearts came

22:18

out and said like, oh,

22:21

all those babies we said died and were beheaded

22:23

and their heads us as soccer balls. That's not true.

22:26

It's like your own literal publications

22:29

are coming out and debunking shit. It's like, why

22:31

are all these idiot Americans continuing

22:34

to parrot these talking points? And I'm like

22:37

and Here's the thing is like something

22:39

I find with you know, white men, is

22:41

they find that like if they say something

22:44

confidently, it's true. And

22:46

I'm like literally sitting here as someone who has a podcast

22:49

about this, who has read about this for years, who's

22:51

highly informed about what's going on, being

22:54

told that I'm wrong. Do you

22:56

know what's more infuriating that is just some guy being

22:58

like, well, no, that's not what I read, so I'm

23:00

right, And it's like yeah, but like maybe

23:02

like tone it down a little and don't tell

23:04

a woman of color who literally sits around and reads

23:06

about this all day that she doesn't know what she's talking

23:09

about because she's brown, so she can't possibly

23:11

have an actual, non biased view

23:13

of the situation. Mm hmmm.

23:16

The world makes me sick. And you know

23:18

what, That's why I'm okay

23:20

not voting anymore because I'm like, I don't I

23:22

don't have to do shit for you people anymore. You've

23:24

shown that yourself, you have shown us

23:26

that you deserve nothing. I don't have to show

23:29

up my person of color ass and vote for anyone

23:31

anymore. And you can sit there and cry

23:33

all you want about it and be like, well,

23:35

well then Trump's gonna deport you. Let

23:38

him, Bro Biden will deport

23:40

us too. You think it's gonna be any different. There's

23:43

no difference between these parties anymore. Hey,

23:46

why don't you live under a dictator for a while?

23:49

Yeah, I hate, I don't. Honestly, I'm like, I have such

23:55

such low respect for the human class in this country

23:57

right now? Oh what me too?

24:00

Gross? People are our species.

24:02

They're uninfusially disappointing, and

24:05

they are disturbingly

24:08

unaware of how their actions

24:10

affect other people. Yeah,

24:14

let's uh, let's take our first break before we take

24:18

any more any steps through

24:20

this direction that we could jump back in

24:23

when we get back, before we forget, let's hear and

24:32

we're back. You were saying

24:34

how frustrating it is that

24:36

Western outlets keep like parroting

24:38

these factually untrue things,

24:41

and the fact is like they got what they wanted though,

24:43

you know, like who was it

24:46

that said that? Wait? Hold on, there's a quote

24:49

basically, if you tell a lie big

24:52

enough and enough times, it becomes

24:54

truth. This is like the the

24:56

theory of like what Israel is going for and

24:58

what's that's already happened, Like it doesn't

25:00

matter if it was true. The fact that it was told

25:03

multiple times by so

25:05

many outlets and millions

25:07

of people have watched these videos where these untrue

25:10

things are being said. Their narrative

25:12

is already in play. There's no turning back

25:14

that clock. Even if all these people are

25:16

like, actually, this didn't happen, they already

25:18

got what they wanted. And that's the

25:20

most frustrating part is because they purposely

25:23

do or say these most outrageous

25:25

accusations knowing they will

25:27

be proven false eventually, but also knowing

25:30

that they will get what they want because all these eyes

25:32

will be on these outrageous accusations and

25:35

people will and enough people will believe them. That will

25:37

continue to be its own

25:39

little monster. It's

25:44

and no, it's it is really frustrating to like,

25:48

you and I have talked about this stuff for so long. We're

25:50

also just like raised

25:53

knowing about this stuff anyway, and

25:55

to have our knowledge like undermined, and

25:58

like, I have to catch myself. I don't

26:00

like feeling silly and

26:02

small when it comes to this stuff, and sometimes

26:05

it feels like I literally want to look

26:07

someone in the face and be like you stupid

26:09

motherfucker. But I don't do that because

26:11

you know, I was raised well, unlike

26:14

most of you who were clearly not you were all

26:16

apparently raised by wolves. Yeah,

26:19

that's my new thing is white people were raised by

26:21

wolves. Zionists, I can't help

26:23

you anymore. No, you

26:25

have let the propaganda rot

26:28

your brain, and now I simply can't

26:30

acknowledge a lot of the sort

26:32

of responses that I see on the internet

26:35

of like, well, the thing you

26:37

need to understand is at all we have

26:39

to kill all the Palestinians because they're all

26:41

terrib you know. It's like stuff like that where they're like

26:43

they, well, maybe

26:45

they shouldn't have voted Hamas into office.

26:48

It's like all this stuff. It's like your

26:50

brains are rot and unfortunately

26:55

you're not when no one can help you because

26:58

you've already so set in your ways of how you

27:00

think about things and how you've already decided

27:03

that Palestinians don't matter. Every

27:07

Zionist talking point is genuinely stupider

27:09

than the last one. I send you some of them sometimes

27:11

because I'm just like, I can't believe this is

27:13

being said, but genuinely

27:16

it is. So I also just

27:18

don't understand how they can't see how much

27:20

of a projection. It is like, there are so many arguments

27:23

that Zionists make that are

27:25

that it's happening to the Palestinians, where

27:27

it's like you're denying our slaughter

27:30

and you're denying all of our this, and then it's

27:33

just like that's what you're doing, though, Like

27:35

and this is the most absurd projection I've ever

27:37

seen. And it's always the case,

27:39

like that every Zionist accusation

27:42

is a confession. That's always

27:44

been the case. But it's

27:46

just seeing it play out for this long and

27:48

seeing all the turns it takes, it's

27:52

it's really something else I did.

27:54

I want to go through this post that I thought was helpful.

27:57

I'm seeing a lot of even like within the pro Palestinian

28:00

movement this because everyone's calling

28:03

for a ceasefire, which obviously we need a ceasefire,

28:05

but there's also beyond just a ceasefire.

28:08

There are demands that we need

28:10

to have met in order for this not to continue in

28:12

the future, because yeah,

28:15

like there was peace in quotes for the

28:17

Israels before this, but that wasn't peace

28:19

for Palestinians. And so I wanted to just like go through

28:21

this post that I found that is

28:23

talking about beyond ceasefire the additional

28:26

demands for Palestine liberation. The

28:28

first thing is lifting the siege on Gaza.

28:31

For seventeen years, the Zionist regime

28:33

has imposed the blockade on Gaza by

28:35

land, sea, and air, and

28:37

this controls how much food and medicine

28:39

enters Gaza. Also controls their access

28:41

to fuel, electricity, and water. Who

28:43

can leave an enter Gaza, and

28:46

this is essentially why Gaza has been

28:48

called an open air prison. Personally, I

28:50

don't like the word prison and implies a crime or

28:52

something done wrong, so I think, unfortunately,

28:54

concentration camp is a more apt description.

28:58

The second thing is releasing Palestinian

29:01

prisoners. Imprisonment is

29:03

a tool of social control wielded

29:05

by the Zionist entity to punish those who

29:08

resist, to break apart families

29:10

and social fabric and to collectively punish

29:12

Palestinians. There are thousands of

29:14

Palestinian prisoners, including over two

29:16

thousand held without charged or trial.

29:19

Palestinian prisoners are routinely tortured

29:21

and denied medical care and family visits.

29:24

In the face of this, Palestinian prisoners have

29:26

always been the compass of

29:29

the Palestinian struggle. They

29:31

are getting hostages

29:33

to exchange for Palestinian prisoners.

29:35

What's the whole goal of October seventh. That was

29:38

the intention of

29:40

capturing Israelis for the purpose of

29:42

hostage exchange, which is which has been done

29:44

in the past. Just it

29:46

wasn't to fucking kill Israelis or terrorized

29:48

villages. The goal was a hostage exchange.

29:53

The third is obviously ending the occupation.

29:58

We've talked about this a million times, but the occupation has

30:00

been going on for seventy five years, just of settler

30:02

colonialism and violence and military

30:04

occupation. And the violence

30:06

we're seeing today is just a continuation

30:09

of that, of a cumulative violence that has been going

30:11

on. And the number

30:13

fourth thing that this post is saying, the fourth

30:15

and final thing is to end Western complicity

30:18

in Zionism. It says

30:21

every year Western governments like the US,

30:23

Canada and Britain write blank checks

30:25

to fund Israel's crimes against the Palestinian

30:28

people. The weapons being used to perpetrate

30:30

war crimes against Palestinians are manufactured

30:33

using our own tax dollars. Our

30:36

universities and colleges have partnerships

30:38

and investments and companies that are complicit

30:40

in Zionis war crimes. We have a

30:43

direct responsibility to act from the

30:45

belly of the beast. I

30:47

just thought that was a good summary of

30:51

exactly what needs to happen to

30:53

even come close to Palistinan liberation. Because

30:56

yes, we need to cease fire, cease fire out,

30:58

we have to get the bombing to stop, but

31:01

it has to continue after that. Like, I really

31:03

need everyone

31:06

to be unified in the idea. I

31:08

think I'm talking especially to people that are just new to

31:10

the cause, people that are just jumping on this idea

31:13

that oh my god, Palestinians are struggling this.

31:16

We have to take it as far as it goes. This is the

31:18

only opportunity this is gonna happen. I feel like the

31:21

momentum needs

31:24

to be seized. Does that make sense, Oh

31:26

definitely. I mean even beyond

31:28

that, we need to remove

31:31

Israel from

31:33

the occupied lands, like

31:35

we just need and we also

31:39

need to uphold Israel for its

31:41

war crimes. I

31:43

mean, like we

31:48

can't let them go scot free. You

31:51

can't just ignore all they've done.

31:55

And they've been going scott free for their entire existence.

31:57

And I think the world's

32:00

enough. If the entire world minus

32:02

a handful of Western countries is

32:06

for a ceasefire, then

32:08

I think we're the bad guys here. You all, like

32:11

all the Western people, we're the bad guys. I

32:13

also believe all the settlement land

32:15

needs to be given back. Oh,

32:17

I think it should all be given back. But that's a very radical

32:19

thing to say. Well, I don't think we'll get there. But

32:22

I think if anything like something

32:24

you can do is all those settlements you built,

32:26

give those back to the Palestinians,

32:28

that should be the bare minimum in mind. Yeah,

32:32

I know we'll never get you know, all

32:34

that land back, Obviously, I'm not delusional,

32:37

but I think, like bare minimum, all

32:39

those displaced Palestinians

32:42

need to be able to come home, and on

32:44

top of that, you need to give them passports

32:47

so they can travel freely amongst

32:49

the land. Palestinians should be allowed to go

32:51

into Tel Aviv. Palestinian should be allowed to go

32:53

around and live their lives like regular people.

32:56

They are not a threat, they're not a danger. They're people.

32:59

They're just human beings who just want to live a liberated,

33:01

free life. That's not asking

33:04

that much. Every Palestinian

33:06

deserves the right of return. They

33:09

deserve the right of return exactly palsies.

33:11

If they leave, they can't come back.

33:14

How is that? Well,

33:16

there was this pouse with this freedom,

33:18

This Asian Jewish person was posting online

33:21

saying, I have more as someone who's ever been

33:23

to Israel. I have more claim and can go

33:25

versus like my Palestinian friend.

33:29

And I think that's a great example of like there's

33:31

no, it doesn't make any sense. And then like there was

33:33

some Zionists that responded like, well, that's

33:35

because no, no

33:37

no. Then along with that thread, this person

33:40

was also saying that she's never

33:42

really felt accepted for her

33:44

anti Zionist views and all this stuff. And then there was

33:46

a response by a Zionist being like, well, that's because you're

33:48

Asian, not because you're Jewish. That's

33:51

just like what why

33:54

is that just the blatant racism? Okay,

33:57

So it's not hard to live in peace,

34:00

you know, it's in

34:02

peace before. It's not hard to just

34:04

accept your neighbor as

34:07

they are, just

34:09

like it doesn't matter, None

34:12

of that matters. There

34:15

are testaments from people

34:17

like these old people that were that can testify

34:19

to the fact that, like and also there's just like

34:22

stories and history about how they were all living

34:24

together, Like yes, the Jewish population was

34:26

a lot smaller in Palestine, but

34:28

Christians, Muslims, and Jewish people

34:30

they were all together living

34:33

in the same place. That's what's Zionism

34:37

is the enemy here. Zionism is what cultivated

34:39

the hate. There was never a religious hatred between

34:42

these religions. This is what really bothers

34:44

me, because this is something I also have to remind

34:46

people. It's all the same religion. It's just

34:48

a different fucking time periods. Like we believe

34:51

the same fucking things as like we being

34:53

Muslims, Muslims believe the same

34:55

things as Christians and

34:58

Jewish people do, like all those prophets are important

35:00

to the Muslim people because it's the same religion,

35:03

just at different time periods. And so

35:05

I think the the

35:08

lie that it's a religious hatred

35:11

or an ancient religious war is so egregious

35:14

because it's just it doesn't make any sense.

35:17

Like there before, zionisn't entered

35:19

the picture. It wasn't like this,

35:21

It was not like ghost. The Zionist brainwashing

35:25

is terrible, like the work

35:27

they've done.

35:29

I mean again, like we're seeing it right now, it's

35:31

it's almost near impossible to undo.

35:35

Yeah, I did want to bring something

35:37

up really quick. I remember last time, I had

35:39

just talked about how I didn't finish that documentary

35:41

Tentura, and I did finish it,

35:44

and I did it. I just want to give a disclaimer because I didn't

35:46

know this until I finished it, but I looked up

35:48

the director, and the director in

35:50

his own words, he was interviewed by the Times

35:52

of Israel and he said, I am a big

35:55

Zionist. The reason why this took

35:57

me by surprise is

35:59

that the entire documentary of Tentura

36:01

is about how the

36:03

Nakaba happened, how ISRAELI

36:05

should not deny that violence took

36:07

place, that massacres happened, especially

36:10

in Tenttura, the city that he's talking about. And

36:12

so the entire documentary

36:16

is interviewing former soldiers

36:19

and people in the village about how

36:21

these crimes actually happen. And you see these old

36:23

men like laughing along to the crimes

36:25

they committed and being rape apologists

36:28

and all this stuff. And so I assumed

36:30

the director of this would be sympathetic

36:33

to the Palestinian cause, and he did try

36:35

to like sprinkle in some Palestinian voices

36:37

here and there, not nearly enough. But

36:40

I was reading this interview and it really took me

36:42

back because there

36:45

is no such thing as liberals Ionism, and it

36:47

is just so clear because he, in his own words,

36:49

said,

36:51

I'm a big Zionist

36:53

and I do not believe in the right of return. He

36:56

doesn't condemn the old men in this film

36:58

because to him, they're like his grandparents. It's

37:01

like that's how he views them, and I

37:03

just thought that was the most like

37:08

it's because

37:11

his ultimate takeaway at the end, he's

37:13

saying that the way forward is for

37:15

israelis to recognize that this

37:18

the creation of Israel, was not done like

37:21

sinlessly, like there was crimes committed

37:24

for the creation of Israel to take place, that violence

37:26

was committed, but he also thinks it had to

37:28

have happened for Israel to be created. He

37:31

thinks that building a fucking monument will

37:33

help them move on my issue.

37:35

And the biggest thing I really hated about this documentary

37:37

is that it implies that everything is over.

37:40

It implies that they have to move on for something that

37:42

happened, not address something

37:44

that is happening. And so I

37:46

still recommend watching it because it's really enlightening,

37:49

but I did want to give a disclaimer that because I talked about

37:51

it last time that I didn't know the

37:53

director was a self proclaimed big

37:56

Zionist, and I think it's

37:58

a really good example of the fallacy

38:00

of liberals Ionism, because

38:02

that's just doesn't exist. It's you're either

38:05

for liberating Palestine or

38:07

you're not, and you have your excuses. Why

38:11

so, I don't know. I just wanted to give that disclaimer because I was

38:14

new information that I thought was poignant

38:17

and surprising. Knowing the nature

38:19

of that documentary, it was just it really made my blood

38:21

boil that he was just like, I don't hate

38:23

these men and I don't judge them, and they're

38:26

they're like my grandparents. I'm just like, bro,

38:28

what like, Yeah,

38:31

I don't know, I don't know. That's a nightmare.

38:35

Yeah, I

38:37

don't know. If you read Biden's

38:42

remarks from

38:44

yesterday,

38:48

at all Costs, but it's not gonna go well because

38:50

really his

38:53

whole thing is everything is about

38:55

Israel's security. And I don't know if you guys remember he

38:57

said, were they're not in Israel, we'd

38:59

have to invent one. We'd

39:02

have to invent one. And

39:06

he literally said

39:10

that if

39:12

there was no Israel,

39:16

there would be no safe place for Jews

39:18

anywhere in the world, which

39:21

is really really really absurd

39:23

to me, because Israel is not even a safe place for Jews.

39:27

It's the number one least safe place. I would say,

39:29

you know what I mean, why

39:32

wouldn't you want to make America a safe place for Jews?

39:34

Like what are we talking about. You're

39:36

basically saying America is not a safe place for Jews,

39:39

that's why we need Israel. But then

39:41

Israel's not a safe place for Jews. So

39:45

yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It

39:48

is. It is, and

39:51

literally that it also says like, oh, we have

39:53

to do a two state solution because

39:57

that's the only way. And it's like he

39:59

goes on and on about how BB's is the

40:01

best friend or whatever the fuck, and it's

40:03

like, honey, Bib will never let a

40:05

two state solution happened. But

40:08

also he doesn't want that either. He's just saying

40:10

things in his naive way to be like,

40:13

Muslims, please still vote for me, that's

40:15

what we're gonna Muslims are never gonna vote for him. He

40:18

done shot himself in the

40:20

foot mm hmm, like

40:24

way to bring the goddamn house

40:26

down. Literally you're ruined

40:28

it all. Good for you, you had, dummy,

40:30

All you had to do was push for a cease

40:32

fire, not let

40:34

it get this far. The

40:37

fact that the US was the one country

40:39

that stopped the un ceasefire

40:42

should be everything that you need to know about the US,

40:44

you know what I mean? Like that is the biggest

40:46

indicator that shit was embarrassing. This

40:49

country is the biggest terrorist

40:51

organization in the whole world. Like that is

40:53

the like what world?

40:56

In what world are you gonna be the only country

40:58

to stand up and say I want this filist

41:01

to continue? He literally said,

41:03

But in the meantime, we're not going to do a damn

41:05

thing except protect Israel in the process,

41:08

not a single thing. That's what Biden said.

41:10

Well, here's the thing. I'm not going to do a

41:12

damn thing to protect your ass when the election

41:14

comes around, you stupid motherfucker.

41:17

Yeah, good luck, good

41:20

luck, bro, Yeah, done fucked

41:23

up. You have the

41:25

approval rating of a horse's

41:27

asshole. Good luck with

41:29

everything. I

41:33

can't wait for us to celebrate your

41:35

death like we did Kissingers. Okay,

41:37

goodbye, you stupid fuck It's gonna

41:39

be a great day. On Twitter, the same way when

41:41

like Trump got COVID was one. Kissinger

41:43

drying was another. Biden's

41:46

death and eventually

41:49

happens, goodbye, King, have

41:51

a good one, get

41:54

over till he was like die in your hands

41:56

for what? So you can have a picture

41:58

frame with Bibe on his desk, You stupid

42:01

idiot. That motherfucker about

42:03

you? That motherfucker laughs behind your back.

42:06

Oh foolish. It's kind of pathetic because

42:09

when you look back up the history of presidents, democratic

42:12

presidents are maybe

42:15

worse war criminals than the Republican

42:17

ones. Like when you look at the the

42:19

the numbers,

42:21

you know what I mean, there's such like there's just no

42:24

differentiation. They're all war criminals. We're

42:26

just like always

42:29

led to believe that one is a

42:31

lesser evil at this point. No,

42:33

they're all evil, Like, who fucking cares? Like there's

42:35

no lesser evil. They're just both evil and

42:38

we're fucked either way. I

42:40

don't know. Well, didn't we also have another

42:43

Obama advisor get caught up?

42:46

Another one? Yeah,

42:49

outside of the the guy

42:51

who was going around

42:54

Kalala cards. Yeah,

42:56

Stuart Seldowitz, that fucking

42:58

idiot. That guy so creepy, he looks

43:01

like that he's like evil incarnate like there's

43:03

like evil spewing out of him. He really disturbs

43:05

me. Actually, why do you find that. Let's

43:07

take our second break and

43:17

and we're back. Okay, so another Obama

43:19

advisor or well,

43:21

okay, so I don't know if you guys saw this video,

43:24

but this Harvard graduate student was wearing uh,

43:27

you know, kefia walking around uh

43:30

and they were subjected to

43:32

Islamophobic harassment. This woman,

43:35

her name was Eve Gerber. She's the wife

43:37

of Jason Furman, who was a professor

43:40

at Harvard's Kennedy School and a former Obama

43:42

advisor. She said, thank you for walking

43:45

around through the neighborhood with your terrorist scarf

43:47

on. Oh my god, so these are

43:49

these are all looks. She's the wife of an

43:51

Obama advisor. But still, honey,

43:54

what are you doing? Have

43:57

you guys lost your damn minds? Fall

44:00

following people? It's

44:03

just and the student videoed

44:06

her. I'll post the video in the

44:09

in the description what

44:12

are people have? People? So she says

44:14

high camera after they start they started videoing,

44:16

or says thank you for and

44:19

making families feel unsafe with your terrorist

44:21

scarf, and the students said, Palestinians

44:23

feel pretty unsafe when Israelis occupied

44:26

their country, you know. And she said, I'm

44:28

glad you're so proud of slaughtering

44:30

of civil the slaughtering of civilians, And they said

44:32

I'm not. Who fucking said

44:35

that, bitch? Like yeah, So

44:37

what's up with these Obama advisors? Like

44:39

who are these people disturbing?

44:44

Dude? The Zionists, they're out

44:46

of control. What's disturbing

44:49

is that, especially with that Stewart what's his face guy,

44:51

he was in charge of making decisions

44:54

that affected Arabs and Palestinians all

44:56

over the world that hate Like

44:58

like the fact that that man with all hatred

45:00

and all his evilness, like

45:03

that should just tell you everything you need to know. Like

45:05

like it's we've had the world

45:08

against us for decades.

45:10

Like there's like what it's

45:12

disturbing, It really is.

45:15

Yeah. I do feel lucky that we have

45:18

a platform that we can be really honest on

45:25

famous last words. The world is

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a dark, dark place and I trust

45:30

no one. Well, especially

45:32

now when they're fucking trying to equate anti Zionism

45:34

with anti Semitism. We have so many

45:37

instances of us being like anti

45:39

Zionism sucks or not. I mean, sorry, Zionism

45:41

sucks. Anti Zionism is not anti Semitism.

45:44

Uh So, I feel like if someone

45:47

just has like a they

45:49

can easily make a case against any

45:52

kind of speech criticizing Israel as

45:54

hate speech. Now, and that's

45:56

like dangerous. It's dangerous for any

45:58

person in line of work that is

46:01

even uses half their brain and criticizes

46:03

Israel like it doesn't. Also

46:06

way side note about Kaffea,

46:10

something really irritating to me is that there were literally

46:12

three boys that got shot. One of them is fucking

46:14

paralyzed. That is a hate crime.

46:16

But we are still so obsessed

46:19

as the media about talking

46:21

about how Jewish students

46:23

feel unsafe. Three

46:26

Palestinian students were fucking shot,

46:29

Like, why isn't that the

46:32

priority of what you assume a hate

46:34

crime? Looks like it really

46:36

boggles my mind. So the main narrative

46:38

is that anti Semitism

46:41

matter is more than Islamophobia.

46:44

Yes, that's when we keep getting stuck when the

46:46

reality is they're both bad. I keep saying they're

46:48

both bad. They're both bad. We shouldn't have bad.

46:51

We have to combat them at the same time,

46:53

they go hand in hand just to fight bigotry

46:56

altogether. But it

46:58

doesn't make any sense for me to for

47:01

people just to ignore what's

47:03

happening. What's happening, like

47:05

it's it really makes you feel that, like, oh,

47:07

people just assume violence and

47:10

Arabness and muslimness and Middle

47:13

Easter like those are just scenonymous with each other.

47:15

That just happens to us. That just happens to us. Racism.

47:18

Yeah, it's blatant

47:21

racism. We see you, We

47:23

see some shit you're doing. Videos

47:26

and photos of brown people getting killed

47:28

and butchered and their babies being killed.

47:30

Literally do not face some people to the point

47:32

where people are like, actually, that's not a baby,

47:35

it's a doll. Like how

47:37

much has the world dehumanized

47:40

us to the point where that could even be an argument

47:43

entertained for a second. It's

47:46

so disappointing. It just the human

47:48

race is disappointing. Yeah,

47:50

we need to deepfake all those babies faces

47:53

with like Paul Mescal's face, and then people

47:55

will start to care. There are hundreds

47:57

of baby Paul mescals dying and I want

47:59

to be We have

48:01

to stop the wall. We have to show

48:04

them all the dogs that have been killed.

48:06

Maybe they'll give a ship and they see Yeah,

48:08

like it's unfortunate but true. What was

48:11

it? Free Palestine?

48:14

D DA are

48:16

you guys in now? Do

48:18

you guys care? Now? She should

48:20

make celebrities do a video like what

48:23

was that? What was the song that they did? Imagine

48:25

with Galagh? Imagine? Imagine? Imagine

48:30

idiots. Uh,

48:34

I really hope gal is over.

48:37

I hope so man, Like, well,

48:40

someone brought up a really good point where they were just like if

48:42

she wasn't an actress, she would be dancing on the

48:44

graves of the Palestinian she had just killed in

48:46

the idea in the iof you know what I mean, Like, fuck

48:49

that bitch. She deserves

48:52

nothing but terror. Yeah,

49:01

yeah, I'm sure we'll

49:04

be back talking about was

49:08

shitty things. So this episode drops

49:10

on the eighteenth, but then

49:13

the week after that is the twenty fifth and the January

49:15

first, So we might have two just

49:18

sort of like fuck around episodes because

49:21

I need a break from life.

49:23

We can also maybe we can just do some reruns, some

49:25

important like refreshers for

49:27

people. Yeah, even so,

49:30

just let's just know if that

49:32

happens, we'll be

49:34

back. We will be back. Just

49:37

you know. Our next probably regular

49:39

episode, topical one, will drop

49:42

on the eighth of January.

49:44

So yeah, the next two Mondays are the twenty fifth and

49:46

the first after the eighteenth, which this episode

49:48

drops on, so you

49:50

know, look out for us then,

49:54

yeah, just be patient and know that we are

49:56

We do need to take trying our best, even

49:58

though we will continue obviously posting on our stories

50:01

and whatnot. But like verbally,

50:04

I need to not talk for two weeks, same

50:07

big, same, just

50:10

live in absolute silence. I'm taking a

50:12

vow of silence for two weeks. That

50:15

will be really hard, but I would

50:17

imagine kind of nice.

50:22

Anyways, that's the episode for today.

50:24

We will talk to y'all in the new year.

50:27

Stay safe and stay informed, keep

50:30

posting about Palestine. Yeah, and

50:33

yeah, that's it. Don't become remplicit. Yes,

50:36

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Hero on Instagram and Shiro Hero six

50:48

sixty six on Twitter, and I'm at

50:50

Anna Hosting on Twitter and at selling

50:52

host Nia on Instagram. Maybe I'll

50:55

revive my substack in the new year. We'll

50:57

see. I haven't really felt anything in the last

50:59

few years, a few years, a few months to

51:01

write enough, but I need to

51:03

get my creative juices flown again because

51:05

I feel unwell.

51:09

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51:12

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