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Welcome to the Dynasty Nerds

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fantasy football podcast where we

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discuss Dynasty strategy, rankings, and

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all things NFL. To

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get ready to geek out on fantasy football

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with your host,

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Rich Dotson. And

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welcome to Dynasty Nerds fantasy football podcast. We

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got where we were from here. You're so

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hungry. You didn't know the name of our

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show. I was just thinking about pressing that

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button. I'm Rich Dotson. He's

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Matt O'Hara. Hey, yeah. He's

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Garrett Price. Definitely forgot how to intro

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us. Dude, my brain just fell. I

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had like four cups of coffee, extra

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honey. I have no food

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in 24 hours. I had to stop the

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show to go get a piece of the wheel cheese,

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a little mozzarella. There's a lot of

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calories in honey. So it's not like you've been not

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getting calories. You're

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fine. Okay, doctor. You're

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fine. I'm too mad. I'm

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hungry. I'm going to have to watch a

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baseball game. Aren't you

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going to eat during that process? I hope so.

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Yeah. That your kid had a

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some award banquet thing. Son of a

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shit show. Damn it. I do

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have an award show in like an hour and a half. Oh

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man. Better take some cheese to go. I'm

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going to make sure that I added this. It goes.

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It goes from six 30 to seven 30. Um,

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and a tribe game starts at seven 30. I told

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my son, I was like, cause a sports award show

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for fall sports and football and stuff. I

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don't care what happens. Who does what the

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moment that the coach says, thank you.

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You get up and we're walking out of that building

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sprint. Oh

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dude, I would completely forgot how to go. At

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least you get to listen. I just saved you. I just

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saved you. It's a, it's a

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five man drive. Okay. You're fine.

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It's right down the road. So yeah, let's get through this show so daddy can go

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eat. I'm gonna say that cause

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my wife yelled at me. I was like, daddy gets

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a big piece of salmon. She's like, if you call

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yourself daddy one more time. the

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youngest and I do think you'll get the most from

8:02

Murray. So unfortunately that does leave Baker Mayfield kind of

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as the odd man out here. There has to be

8:06

an odd man out. There's going to be some odd

8:08

man out coming down here that I do not want

8:11

to get rid of. They're all good players. It's really

8:13

tough. So you got to cut, like we're always in

8:15

the same thing. It's like, Hey, keep trade, cut this

8:18

model, this model, and this model. I'll be like, but I

8:20

love them all. They're

8:22

also pretty. It's like keep trade, cut

8:24

ice cream. Like I just, I'll

8:26

eat all three. You're lucky to put like jalapeno

8:28

pierogies in there. Cause otherwise it'd be the last

8:30

one standard. Progies

8:32

are good. Jalapeno. Progies are really, I've

8:34

never put jalapeno. I don't think I've ever had

8:37

a jalapeno. Like a spicy, uh,

8:39

potato. Like you, I mean, I know what a proggy

8:41

is. Progies with cheese. I love them. Sour cream, sour

8:43

cream. So it's mixed with like a hot, so it's

8:45

a little spicy. Oh, it's the best. I mean, I'm

8:47

signing me up. It sounds good. I love a little

8:49

kick. Yeah. I just never had it. I love a

8:52

little kick. All right. So let's go to the wide

8:54

receiver position. We've got three young

8:56

receivers here. Keep

8:58

sell cut Garrett Wilson,

9:01

Drake London and

9:03

Rashid Rice. Please someone

9:06

else go first. Cause I still, I

9:08

made the sheet and this was

9:10

the one of all of them that I was like, I

9:12

truly have no idea. Yeah. That's like getting

9:15

rid of cheap, keep trade cut chicken wings,

9:17

burgers, and pizza. It's like, dang,

9:19

I got to live. Right. 23, 24.

9:25

How old were she, right? He's got 23. I think

9:27

it's only gotta be pretty close to that.

9:29

This one's pretty easy for me. Is it?

9:31

Oh, I'm struggling. I am going to keep,

9:33

I'm going to keep Drake London who's

9:36

currently YR five still super young, 23

9:38

years old. He is the 23 stepping

9:40

into his, finally stepping in here

9:42

as the number one with Kirk cousins. They have

9:44

Michael Pennocks to back him up who did really

9:46

well. The guy in that frame of Roman doomsday.

9:48

So there's a very clear path to his success.

9:50

Long-term he'll get extended. He's finally produced in a

9:52

very high level drafted head of Garrett

9:54

Wilson. I'm going to trade Garrett Wilson again, kind of

9:57

falls back into my biggest return here is going to

9:59

be Garrett. So when players are like

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this close for me, it's easy. The

10:03

trades should be the easiest one for me. Is

10:05

he going to get the biggest return though? Now

10:08

with the Devontae Adams news, this does make it.

10:10

I think Drake London is the guy you trade

10:12

here. Okay, well, let you get to

10:14

your take and you can trade away Drake London if you want.

10:16

This daddy over here is keeping him, okay? He's

10:19

the burgers of this joint. Okay. And Garrett Wilson,

10:21

for us, is the chicken wing. Very popular, probably get

10:23

the most return for the chicken wing. And

10:26

the burger, like his gun, very equally, is

10:28

Rishi rice. Rishi

10:30

rice, he's got some legal troubles. Might

10:32

be suspended beginning of the year, coming off a

10:34

knee injury. Is it LCL? Is that what it

10:36

ended up being? Yeah, just LCL, that's it. So

10:39

to me, yeah. I

10:42

mean, if you say sell Drake

10:44

London, keep Garrett Wilson, okay, I have no argument against

10:47

that too, but I just, my argument is for selling

10:49

Garrett Wilson because I get the biggest return on Garrett

10:51

Wilson. If that's not true, and somebody's

10:53

like, hey, I'll give you a bigger return for Drake London to be

10:55

the Drake London. As of right now, in stone, keep

10:58

Drake London, sell Garrett Wilson, cut

11:00

Rishi rice for me. I think Drake London right now

11:03

is a hot ticket item. You know what I mean?

11:05

He's wide receiver five. He's

11:07

the youngest out of all of them. He's the only guy

11:09

on this list that's got a chance to be the number

11:11

one wide receiver in the offense down

11:14

the stretch this year, right? I mean, that's,

11:17

you know, obviously- Rice is injured and Wilson

11:19

now has Adams. Correct. So

11:21

I mean, for this year, I think Drake London

11:23

is the guy that you trade just for that

11:25

reasoning. And- Yeah,

11:27

but wouldn't you want that for long term? I know, that's the

11:30

hard part too, where I'm like, oh, but he has PENIX. And

11:32

yeah, like he's your best bet to have the, like the

11:35

most score, the most fantasy points to this group too. But

11:38

will it be the same with PENIX?

11:40

We've seen him disappear before. And now

11:42

that Kirk is there-

11:44

Yeah, but you can call disappearing with

11:48

Desmond Ritter as a disappearing

11:50

act. That's a good point. Yeah. He

11:52

does suck. Well, because Zach Wilson was the quarterback.

11:54

Right. But he wasn't. He had

11:56

a thousand yards. Yeah, that's true. He was still

11:59

there. He still managed- somewhere

22:00

and be the number one, I'm going

22:02

to trade Jackson Smith and jig book. Cause

22:04

he'll give me more than Jameson Williams. And

22:06

James Williams is the easy cut for me

22:08

here where I liked the player, uh, definitely

22:10

flashes. He liked this past week, you know,

22:12

show that he could be a very solid

22:14

fans receiver, just way too inconsistent, whether it

22:16

be injuries, the surrounded target shares going around

22:18

him. Uh, it's

22:21

just not enough for me to remotely consider keeping

22:24

him here or train them here. So to me,

22:26

this was pretty simple. And I

22:28

wish, I wish Jackson Smith and jig, but

22:30

was my hold and like a

22:32

sell T Higgins, but the more I

22:34

watched Jackson Smith and jig, but it seems like

22:36

his best case scenario and fancy football long-term is

22:39

probably a wire receiver too. He doesn't

22:41

offer that wire receiver one upside that I wish I could, I

22:43

w I want to see, um, out

22:45

of them and T Higgins does. So yeah, that's

22:47

my logic. Um, Hmm.

22:52

I mean, I love T Higgins long-term. I mean, obviously this

22:54

year he's, he's still going

22:56

to be stuck in some sort of timeshare, but

22:59

I also, I mean, Jackson Smith and jig is

23:01

going to have better days ahead. And if they're

23:04

going to be coming up as

23:06

early as next season, when he's the

23:08

second, that second option, but two

23:10

or three years down the line, he could be the number one guy

23:12

there. Um, and

23:14

Jameson Williams has done enough this year

23:17

that I'm excited about him. Um,

23:19

you know, he really kind of resurrected his career a

23:21

bit in his, is

23:23

this third or fourth third year? Right?

23:25

Yeah. In his third season. So, um,

23:28

this one is, this one is particularly

23:30

difficult for me because I don't want to cut any one

23:32

of these guys. I really don't. You want shares

23:34

of all three of them. And be fair, there's nobody I want

23:36

to cut at all. I

23:40

want them all on my dynasty. You're on a

23:42

redraft Ross. You're not cutting any of these guys.

23:44

But I think, I think T Higgins still holds

23:47

the name, does he not? As far as trade

23:49

value goes out of, out of these three guys,

23:52

it's close between him and Jackson Smith and jig,

23:54

but probably I would think it would be T

23:56

but, but the upsides we have a T Higgins

23:58

upside. So to me, with

26:00

that one. I do think he's the one guy that

26:03

we could see the most

26:05

realistic value spike in this

26:08

coming year. I don't like Jamison

26:11

Williams, I think is probably close

26:13

to his peak now where he was in

26:15

the valley and now he's ascended, but I

26:17

still don't think we're ever going to see

26:20

him be a wide receiver one. So

26:22

I don't know that he's going to get there for

26:24

me. In Jackson Smith and Jigba, I really like the

26:26

prospect, but I just don't know

26:28

what to do with the Seattle situation. I

26:31

thought by year two, it would be a little more

26:33

clear and I think it'll be more

26:35

clear in year three, but I still don't even

26:38

feel super confident in that, but I do feel

26:40

confident that Tegan's is going to get paid and

26:42

be a wide receiver one. So I'm going to

26:44

keep Tegan's trade Jackson Smith and Jigba and

26:46

then cut Jamison. You and I have been very

26:48

symbiotic. We have been. I'm going to pick up

26:51

Jamison Williams and drop somebody else

26:54

and I'll pick up whoever it was

26:56

you cut. I don't remember Jackson Smith and Jax

26:58

is within Jigba. All right. We should trade them

27:00

to each other. That'll be easier. That way nobody

27:02

else picks them up. Let's

27:05

go to tight end. We kind

27:07

of talked about on the first

27:09

show outside of Mr. Brock Bowers.

27:12

He's kind of in his own tier and

27:14

then there's the conversation for two, three, four,

27:16

five, six, whatever. So here's some

27:18

guys that would be in contention for that. Maybe

27:20

number two spot Dalton Kincaid,

27:23

Sam LaPorta and Trey

27:26

McBride. So keep sell

27:28

cut. Everything's been very clear to me up

27:31

to this point. Okay. But now you're messing

27:33

with my heart. You talk about the tight ends

27:36

and I like all

27:38

the other players. Boy, do I love all these? Like I

27:41

want all of them. I want all the tight ends. So

27:43

again, this comes down to me. The first question

27:46

I asked, cause I like them all

27:48

pretty close equally. Like tier wide, like rank

27:50

wise, they're all next to each other. Who

27:52

will get me the most? Who's taking me

27:54

the most to me? That's clearly Trey McBride.

27:57

He's my cell. So it comes down

27:59

to cut

28:01

Sam LaPorta or cut

28:04

Don Cacade. And listen, I

28:06

ain't just walking out on my husband like that. And

28:08

he still has a clear path to be the number

28:11

one option in an offense. We already saw what just

28:13

a little bit of sprinkle of James and Williams in

28:15

this offense can do to the guy like Sam LaPorta.

28:17

He is currently wide receiver, 17, Sam LaPorta.

28:21

Yeah. Tight end 17. What

28:23

did I say? Why were you seeing tight end 17? So

28:26

as crazy as this sounds to me, it

28:30

makes Sam LaPorta like a pretty easy

28:32

cut here. Cause he's still not, we

28:34

don't even know if he's a third reading this

28:37

offense at times, definitely like Jamir Gibbs there having

28:39

James and Williams kind of coming into the pitch.

28:41

A lot of miles to feed. A lot of

28:43

miles. I'm like Tim Patrick looks decent in this

28:45

office and Cooper's only there for a little bit

28:47

longer. So to me it's Don Cade, uh, trade,

28:49

trade, Trey McBride keep

28:52

Dalton, get Dalda Colton, can't speak

28:54

English worse. And

28:57

caught Sam LaPorta cause Sam LaPorta has

28:59

done diddly squat for me this year.

29:01

And Hey, he's got to go.

29:03

He's he's one year one. He's tight on 17, but

29:07

they've already had their buy. So

29:09

I mean, he is averaging

29:11

7.8 points per game compared to 8.1

29:13

for Dalton Kincaid. So

29:15

it's closer than maybe sad. Like

29:18

it should be, it's 13 points

29:21

per game versus 12 and a half points

29:23

per game. Like it should be more like

29:25

that. It's not not this year. Seven versus

29:27

eight. Trey McBride. And that's that's standard. That's

29:29

not standard. Oh, that's so sad. That's

29:33

PPR. Trey McBride on

29:35

the other hand, 12.2 points per game. So

29:39

I agree with you, Rich. I think Trey

29:41

McBride is the guy that you sell just

29:43

because tight end numbers. We are finding out

29:45

our very fluky year to year. Um,

29:49

so I think I'm going to go with the hot hand there

29:52

for the trade. There is

29:54

no right answer for this cut and keep there

29:56

really isn't. It's a win-win situation. No matter

29:59

who you keep. Yeah. Who you cut, who

30:01

you trade. But I do think the deciding factor is

30:03

the fact that Kincaid's just higher

30:05

on the pecking order in his

30:07

own offense. So I'm gonna stick

30:09

with Kincaid as well. So I

30:11

am copying you Rich. I think

30:13

your logic was sound there. I

30:16

can't even poke a hole in it. I have brains working at 33%

30:18

right now. I'm surprised on

30:20

one that is arguably the closest that were

30:22

three for three. I'm in the same boat.

30:24

I just put a tweet out yesterday and

30:26

boy I had some people mad that I

30:28

actually put Kincaid at two. I saw Zoltan

30:30

even came at you. Oh man, everybody came

30:33

at me. And the funny part was the

30:35

tweet was literally like, I don't really care the order

30:37

that you put these in after Brock Bowers. Like, and

30:39

then everyone's like, you're an idiot for having them there.

30:41

I was like, I literally just said, I don't care

30:43

what order you have them in. Literally don't care. So

30:46

it was kind of funny. But I

30:48

did have like how I had it listed at

30:51

the moment was I had Kincaid at two and

30:53

then McBride at three and LaPorta at four. And

30:55

so it was just gonna line up nicely for

30:57

me. I'll

30:59

keep Kincaid, I'll sell McBride

31:01

and I'll cut LaPorta. All right. Last

31:04

one here before we get into the rookie

31:08

quarterback roundup, let's go

31:10

to these three starting quarterbacks. Joe

31:12

Burrow, CJ Stroud

31:15

and Jordan Love. Keep

31:18

trade cut. Burrow's the

31:20

oldest, huh? Burrow is the oldest. He's

31:24

super ancient. Yeah. Basically one

31:26

foot in the grave. CJ Stroud's 23

31:28

and Jordan Love's gonna be closer to

31:30

that. He's gonna be around Burrow's age.

31:33

This one's easy for me. It's gonna

31:35

kind of shock a little bit maybe, and a cut,

31:37

but maybe not. I'm keeping Jordan

31:39

Love 100%. Okay. Jordan

31:42

Love's 25. Yeah. I'm all in on

31:44

the Jordan Love bandwagon. Every time I see you watch, I

31:46

watch this guy play, I'm like, this is a top five

31:48

quarterback. Points per game. He's number three. He missed those games

31:50

early in the season. Yeah. Points per

31:52

game. He's having a 20. Jordan Love, you gotta keep it.

31:54

Yeah. He's, he's my keeper. Right

31:56

now, overall, Joe Burrow's

31:59

quarterback four has. has a name, has Chase, he's

32:01

my trade. Pretty easily,

32:03

oh. Who do you think has more dynasty value

32:05

right now? Is it CJ Stroud? Actually. Or

32:07

is it Joe Burrow? Yeah, I was gonna say Joe Burrow

32:09

is my easy trade because I think he gets the biggest

32:11

return, but you're right. I think CJ Stroud actually probably would

32:13

get my biggest return, because he was gonna be my cut.

32:16

Because I think overall from

32:18

fantasy points per game perspective, he's the least

32:20

valuable. I would agree with that. He

32:23

doesn't really offer Russian upside. He

32:26

offers such a high floor, which is nice,

32:28

but he's more like Pat Mahomes was. Yeah,

32:31

probably, yeah, honestly probably

32:34

slightly over. Valued.

32:37

But he's so young too, so he's not truly

32:39

overvalued, but if you're looking for upside,

32:42

you want 100%. Again,

32:44

if I go trade Jordan Love for CJ

32:48

Stroud, I'd do it all day long. So I'm

32:50

keeping Jordan Love, I'm trading CJ Stroud, I'm cutting

32:52

Joe Burrow. Real quick, is Jordan Love QB3 right

32:54

now for you then? Would

32:57

it go Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels,

32:59

then Jordan Love? Because while he looks. I

33:01

might be there. Because I'm moving him up

33:03

to the quarterback through. Look at that. For

33:07

me, I don't have a lot of instant reactions.

33:09

I usually analyze these things in my brain before

33:11

I make a decision. Oh, he already is, thank

33:13

you. For

33:15

this one, as soon as I saw the list, I went

33:17

bye Joe in my brain. That was it, bye Joe. That's

33:20

what popped in. With your weak ass wrist. That's

33:23

part of it. But I mean, it's

33:26

the lack of rushing upside. It's all those

33:28

other kind of things that kind of, who

33:30

knows what you're gonna get out of him. He

33:33

said lack of rushing. I'm gonna rip off a 50 some

33:35

yard touchdown. Do you see him the other night? Did he really?

33:37

Yeah, he literally had like a 50 yard

33:39

rush for a touchdown. He got pumped afterwards too. He

33:41

did, he said, read it beautifully. What'd he say? He

33:44

said something on camera, he was like, oh, what'd he

33:46

say? Look at him, Joe all pumped by himself. Like,

33:48

he said something at the end of that touchdown and

33:51

the camera caught it too. And I was like, what

33:53

are you doing? Look at Joe. Just the frosted tips?

33:55

Yeah. Good, that's Joe at

33:57

his best. When he was just like that full. weird

34:00

died. It was a big time run. No, he ran

34:02

on here. Not even close. I feel like he lost

34:04

his mojo at that point. Um,

34:06

glad to see that it's back. Maybe I should keep him. Um,

34:09

anyway, Joe's gone. Jordan love your keeping.

34:12

So that makes CJ Stroud my trade

34:14

for me. And I think CJ Stroud, he's

34:17

got the highest value, right? Like that's, I

34:19

think so. Although I'm guessing loves got it.

34:21

I mean, he's like, he'd be three overall,

34:23

but love, I think he's going to love

34:25

is like in here. So I can't

34:27

just, I can't get rid of him. No, but I

34:29

think it's one of those times where the heart and

34:31

the head line up because he,

34:33

everything he's doing shows. Yep. This is legit.

34:36

He's got a young receiving core, a coach

34:38

that you trust. That's a good offensive mind.

34:40

Like all of those pieces lineup, kind

34:42

of like how it did for a long time with

34:44

Moam's. Now he's lost some of like the weapons. That's

34:47

kind of hurt that. But, uh,

34:49

yeah, I'm I'm three for two

34:51

in a row that we're three for three on. Let's, uh, let's

34:53

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I'm so close to you. I really want a chicken sandwich

37:58

with cheese on it. All right. QB,

38:00

quarterback, rookie, I put too

38:02

many words in there, rookie quarterback, round up. Uh,

38:05

we're, we're just going quickly. We're not going to spend a

38:07

ton of time here because of my stomach because of her

38:10

just stomach, but let's

38:12

go through the, the quarterbacks that were either

38:14

first round picks or have at least played

38:17

this year as starters, uh, go

38:19

through them quickly, recap what

38:21

they've done so far this year. And I want to keep a

38:24

few things in mind. One, I want to

38:26

say like at roughly their

38:28

current costs, are you looking to buy

38:30

these quarterbacks or sell these

38:32

quarterbacks and then just

38:34

keep in mind. We did

38:37

this study about rookie quarterbacks this off

38:39

season, the benchmark for

38:41

first and second year. So it's not,

38:43

it's not a, they're not dead if they don't do

38:45

it as a rookie, but in their first or second

38:47

full season, they need to hit that

38:49

17.5 points per game. Numbers

38:52

show us that if they don't get to that point,

38:54

the odds of them getting there are extremely,

38:57

extremely unlikely. So keep

39:00

that in mind. I do. Let's go. So

39:02

first one's Caleb Williams. He was now

39:05

averaging 16.8 points per game. Uh,

39:07

1,317 yards, nine touchdowns, five interceptions, 25 attempts, 169 yards, rushing,

39:12

but zero Russian touchdowns. And

39:14

for me, I'm all, I'm still all in on Caleb Williams

39:16

over these last couple of weeks, if you go back, I

39:19

mean, let's just cut it in half the season and a

39:21

half, uh, over the last three

39:23

starts, he's seven touchdowns, one interception. He's

39:26

looked significantly better, consistent with these last

39:28

three weeks, coming up this week, where

39:30

he arguably his best game in London

39:32

too, which is tough with losing sleep

39:34

and all that, like four

39:36

touchdowns ran for a career high 56 yards

39:38

on, uh, on top of that. So

39:41

through for 20, 26 yards looked really

39:43

good, uh, in that offense. Look, they

39:45

had full command of it really starting to come into his

39:47

own a little bit here with the weapons around him and

39:49

a draft couple around him. I think Caleb Williams is still

39:51

a very fine prospect. It's, it's hard to like,

39:53

I know it's hard for so many people

39:55

like over these last couple of years, like we're looking for this immediate,

39:58

uh, satisfaction. It's so

40:00

hard for a rookie quarterback to come in

40:02

and look good. You know, I know see

40:04

this founded last year, but not

40:06

at a high level from a fancy football, uh,

40:09

uh, outlook doing, coming right now. Like he's like

40:11

a, he's a high end quarterback too, from fancy

40:13

football. Kayla. Yeah. I think you, they'll,

40:15

they'll have like a Pat Mahomes kind of type arch

40:18

type quarterback, just at 22 years old. I think he'll

40:20

Williams looked really good these last couple of years or

40:22

at least these last couple of games. And

40:24

I would totally expect him to get significantly

40:27

better, right? Like he's number one overall pick comes

40:30

with all, all the high praise, everything on tape

40:32

looked really good. And this is what I like

40:34

to see. A rookie quarterback come in every single

40:36

week, just look a little bit better. He started

40:38

to clean things up. You know what I mean?

40:40

He's a little bit telling those offense better. Obviously

40:43

there are still some things that he needs to

40:45

do better from an accuracy standpoint, right? Cause he's

40:47

what is it? 65% of his

40:49

passes are not catchable to DJ

40:51

more. So there's some

40:53

things he's got to clean up and get passes anyway. Right.

40:56

So, you know, he's, there's still room for him

40:58

to get better, which I think is encouraging. And,

41:01

and I do think he'll kind of continue to

41:03

progress like you were saying. Would you, would you

41:05

guys be buying Caleb Williams right now?

41:07

Obviously the, the cost has gone

41:09

back up to probably roughly where it was

41:11

after the, these, these past few games, somebody

41:13

that you're interested in buying. Uh, I'm

41:16

assuming you're probably not selling, but maybe you are. Maybe,

41:18

maybe you're looking to get out from underneath them. Where

41:20

are you guys at as far as that goes? Yeah.

41:22

I mean, obviously if you have Caleb Williams, you drafted

41:24

them, you probably had to one, one, one,

41:26

two pick, right? That's where you're at. You're at one,

41:28

one, one, two. So you're probably in rebuild mode. So

41:30

it's kind of hard to like, you're

41:33

not selling them. You're going to be perpetually rebuilding

41:35

if you get rid of a guy. This is

41:37

a cornerstone type of guy for a rebuild. But

41:39

if he ended up on a team with a

41:41

contender, like players that I would have, I

41:44

wouldn't have a problem selling them for would obviously be like,

41:47

I love to get rid of some like older guys that

41:49

have high upside. Like I would trade Joe burrow for him.

41:51

I would trade Lamar Jackson for him. Again, if I was

41:53

going to ask him rebuilding, who'd

41:55

you rather have between him and Purdy? I would

41:58

take probably Caleb. I think I would.

42:00

would too. It's higher upside. He has

42:03

higher upside, but Purdy is safe.

42:05

So safe and so good. I

42:09

think Stroud and Purdy are better are

42:11

better comparison than like Caleb because

42:13

he's just so young for so much more. There's three

42:15

years offer so much more upside. That was the Russian

42:17

ability. Do you rather

42:19

Stroud or Williams? Stroud

42:22

today but like, that's close. It's

42:24

pretty close. If I'm if I'm, if

42:27

I can get a plus I'm getting yeah plus

42:30

it's it's Caleb Williams. You

42:32

think you think Caleb Williams you can get Caleb

42:34

Williams plus a little bit for C.J. Stroud. I would do

42:37

that as well. I think so. Yeah, I would. If I

42:39

could, I would. Yeah, I don't know about straight up yet.

42:41

But if I could get it any plus

42:43

on top of Caleb, I agree. I agree with that.

42:45

I don't know how much plus you'd get though. I

42:47

don't think a lot. I'll take a second. Yeah, I

42:49

think I think I might do it for an extra

42:51

like those are good dynasty moves and make some time

42:53

see that like if you have a guy that you

42:55

view pretty equally kind of like our keep

42:57

trade cut segment, right? Like like, which guy

42:59

just offers me the most if they're pretty

43:01

close in value like and

43:04

I like a player like I like Caleb Williams, right? If

43:06

I can move Stroud who again like I

43:08

like Stroud but like listen, the reason I like

43:10

Stroud is because he's so young. Right. He's got

43:13

good weapons round. He's super efficient. Yeah. So it's

43:15

not like I like he doesn't offer like a

43:17

lot of metrics that I love from a fantasy

43:20

football standpoint. So if I get a little

43:22

bit more Russian upside of Caleb Williams even like

43:24

I'm flipping C.J. Stroud for Caleb Williams for any

43:26

plus like whether it be because I need one

43:28

out or preferably just a second round pick. Yeah,

43:30

like to the point of like

43:32

I would give CJ Stroud plus for date, Jayden Daniels

43:34

like I would give plus like I don't know how

43:37

much I probably give CJ Stroud and easily

43:39

two seconds for Jane Daniels. Agreed.

43:42

Yeah, I would make that move.

43:44

You're making the right kind of move if you're doing

43:46

that. Those are all kind of moves like say that

43:48

Garrett Wilson Drake London like okay, what do I get

43:50

more for at that point? Like yeah. And for me

43:52

like I'm with

43:54

Garrett like I don't think I'd do it right now straight up

43:57

but I would definitely like if you're any plus on top I'm

43:59

I'm thinking is Jane He's

44:01

my number two overall super flex player. Yeah,

44:04

he's my number two overall quarter. He's my

44:06

number two overall quarterback in Fantasy

44:12

In one QB. I probably be tempted to put Jane

44:14

Daniels ahead of Josh Allen just because of how much

44:16

younger he is But I still haven't gotten that far.

44:18

He's my number two overall player in super flex It's

44:21

not even if I was in if I'm in a

44:23

one QB league with you, I got I got Jordan

44:25

love What would I have to give on top to

44:27

get Jane Daniels prime out? in

44:30

a one QB in a one QB I'm

44:34

just kind of just curious how cuz I mean that's he's

44:36

a true difference maker there. I mean he's They

44:39

both are and and what's funny is

44:42

like Jordan loves averaging points three points

44:44

more per game than Jane Daniels But

44:46

Jane Daniel is also a rookie expect him to get simply better

44:49

And I think I also expect them put another

44:51

really significant good weapon around

44:53

him I expect them to grab more offensive weapons

44:55

whether it be T Higgins would be

44:57

a really good sign in like for Washington That's where

44:59

him in mcclaurin. Yeah, if you want to ask my

45:02

like early spot where T Higgins gonna end up It's

45:04

gonna be Washington, but it's

45:06

such a hard it could still be easily Tennessee go back

45:08

to his old coach could be yeah, so Where

45:11

he's from what would it take on top to get Jane

45:13

Daniels in a one QB? I

45:17

don't I Don't

45:20

know because like I feel like what I would

45:22

want would be unrealistic to ask for Because

45:25

if you offered me a second, I'd rather just

45:27

keep Jayden Daniels, right? So

45:29

like a first probably wouldn't happen and a first

45:31

one in a first one to happen at one

45:33

QB league So that's why I asked this was

45:35

gonna be different from a player standpoint Like it depends

45:37

where my team is right like either An

45:40

upside player that I like for you to be like a

45:42

guy like Jameson Williams, right? Like if okay, I'll give you

45:45

Jordan love and Jameson Williams for Jane Daniels

45:47

for you. I'm sure that probably like enough

45:50

to possibly getting done For

45:52

me like yeah, lad mcconkey and Jordan love for

45:54

Jane Daniels would get done. Okay, someone was like

45:56

myself That's a first round pick but at least

45:59

you take the Pick again, you shows you the value of

46:01

the draft picks over the player, right? Like it's so much

46:03

easier like who are they're at like lab

46:05

McConk you're the first most people go on the first But

46:09

it's really close because you're literally talking my

46:11

number two overall quarterback and my number three

46:13

overall quarterback So he's split hairs But a

46:15

one QB like that Russian outside offers so

46:17

much more And they would

46:19

come down to like is it six points per touchdown

46:21

or four point? I guess we started talking about Jaden

46:23

Dan. Yeah, and we got to and honestly we don't

46:25

even need to talk much about him I think everybody

46:27

has him as a top five quarterback. Yeah in dynasty.

46:29

I don't know that anybody wouldn't know this

46:31

point So I don't think there's a lot

46:33

to go over just highlighting the fact 22

46:36

points per game. He's really freaking good like

46:39

He's got ton of rushing like we kind of sorry

46:41

went through Oh, I remember like I got a lot

46:43

of backlash cuz I did it right away I moved

46:46

Jane Danos up to my number two overall dynasty super

46:48

flex player that over Caleb over Everybody

46:50

over CJ Stroud when people were like over

46:52

CJ Stroud like yeah all day Overseas it

46:55

like all day all night ten out of

46:57

ten times over CJ Stroud Obviously

46:59

I have Jordan Love I had a CJ Stroud too. So I

47:02

was wondering where did where how high is

47:04

Jane Danos get up? your dynasty ranks and

47:08

Super flex a little that's check. I haven't met three

47:10

right now three who's two I'm

47:13

going to adjust it. I I was slow to move

47:15

Pat Mahomes, but at this point I have to I

47:18

have I moved Pat Mahomes on like QB 10. I'm

47:20

not moving him that low I actually still have

47:23

Pat Mahomes there too as well. I've been I've been

47:25

really hesitant to move him He's just not score. He's

47:27

but it's it's been rough for 19

47:30

for almost a year now. Yeah, so is it under

47:33

eight twenty under nineteen points? Yeah

47:36

So yeah, it's time what you can't do cuz if

47:38

I offered you Jane Daniels for Pat Yeah, Pat Mahomes.

47:40

I offer you Jane Daniel straight up. You would snap

47:42

accept it. Of course. So yeah, so your rankings

47:45

are wrong agreed, let's

47:47

go to Let's go to number three because there's

47:49

not a ton to do with Daniels on top

47:51

of what we've already done Drake may

47:55

I'll be the first to admit as much

47:58

as I've been kind of the leader

48:00

of the Drake may fan club

48:02

for this show. I

48:05

was pleasantly surprised in this first game. I thought

48:07

this was going to be a rough game. You

48:09

put them out there with missing his running back

48:12

one, a terrible offensive

48:14

line, very, very limited

48:16

receiving core and okay, tight ends.

48:19

And you're going to tell me that he's

48:22

going to go out there against Houston and put up three touchdowns.

48:24

I did not see that coming at all,

48:27

but I will say I was very encouraged. 21 and

48:29

a half points in his only start so far, 20

48:31

of 33, 243 passing yards, three touchdowns, two interceptions. Also

48:37

put an additional five attempts out there for

48:39

another 38 yards, which is, which is not

48:41

nothing. You know, almost an

48:43

extra four points. If you get 40 yards, roughly

48:45

40 yards a game from a guy, that's, that

48:47

adds up. That adds up real quick. So

48:50

overall by QB one material for, for you

48:52

guys, this was one of the guys that

48:54

I arguably wanted to talk about the most with

48:56

doing the segment because it was his first game and

48:58

what we saw, what are

49:00

your guys's feelings on Drake may? Um, cause

49:03

I know I, I was alone on

49:05

Drake may over McCarthy, which I'm sure a lot of

49:07

people would put him over now. You flip

49:09

flop. Do you kept going back and forth? You can make up

49:11

right. The day of the, we did our draft party. I was

49:14

talked into, we, we kind of talked to this group and I

49:16

said, okay, I'll take JJ over. It's real close. But

49:18

then literally when we left, I did my, I did my rankings.

49:20

I put it right back to me because I remember Jared put

49:23

on, like, oh, you already flipped on may. I'm like, yeah, I

49:25

got to take may over. Uh, JJ it's

49:27

pretty easy. The more I think

49:29

about it. Yeah. So, so with

49:31

that, what are your guys's

49:33

feelings on Drake may? Obviously it's one game. It

49:35

is so much could still go wrong, especially on

49:37

a team this bad, but what are your thoughts

49:39

on him for a quarterback as young as he

49:42

is. And that is experiences, you know, a lot

49:44

of other core best coming into first starts. Uh,

49:47

you mentioned 243 pass in yards, three

49:49

touchdowns and as a rocking star, like through

49:51

two picks and he lost a fumble,

49:54

um, started off like early in the

49:56

game was a little rough looking for him, but after

49:58

a halftime, he really settled in. and

50:00

looked really good. It's

50:02

good, like really

50:05

good for somebody who's coming in for their first

50:07

start against a pretty good defense versus

50:09

defense of the men in the field. Yeah,

50:11

and all the scenarios got

50:15

me very optimistic about Drake May. Like he uses

50:17

legs, he kind of showed it like he did

50:19

in college. He said almost 50 yards rushing. His

50:21

arm looked fantastic. All the high

50:23

points that you saw on tape for Drake May kind of showed there

50:25

in the second half of the game. He's

50:28

so young. Very young, yep.

50:31

So, and again, I mean, if you're

50:33

talking about like a great buy, which you're not gonna be able to

50:35

go get him because people invest a lot into him. Like

50:37

Drake May offers a lot of upside. Let

50:39

me. With some weapons getting

50:41

around him. His arm looked good, his leg

50:43

looked good. His decision making the second half looked

50:46

really good. It looked like a very promising prospect.

50:48

I miss the fumble. How did that come about?

50:51

Or what was the scenario? Did you guys see that or no?

50:53

I'd have to go back and watch it. I believe it was

50:55

on a sack, but I don't remember

50:57

for sure. So I'll go back and watch the full game.

50:59

Cause that's one of the ones where I really want to

51:01

go back and see every snap of his.

51:03

And I saw him on like red zone and stuff like

51:05

that. So I'm pretty sure it was on a turnover. That

51:07

is how I saw it as well. So I missed that.

51:09

And I was just curious. Cause the one question I had

51:11

about him, it was kind of like the elongated delivery. They

51:14

kind of just him taking kind of a while to get

51:16

rid of the ball. So I

51:18

just wanted to know if that was kind of one of

51:20

those things where he was dropped back for pass. He tries

51:22

to go for it and somebody knocks the ball out of

51:24

his hands. I don't think that was the case. I'm with

51:26

you. I can't really remember. Okay. No big

51:28

deal. I'll go back and watch it

51:30

myself, but Drake may, I mean, obviously this is all encouraging,

51:32

you know, you don't want to see the three

51:35

turnovers to go along with the three

51:37

touchdowns, but the dude has, he's

51:39

got talent. He could spin it. You know

51:41

what I mean? And we saw him kind

51:43

of resurrect Hunter Henry for a week. Kayshaun

51:45

Booty came out and was, it

51:48

was looking good. Who knows? Maybe that guy

51:50

emerges as, as a thing. Kayshaun

51:54

Booty was, it was never

51:56

a, really a skill thing. He was kind of,

51:58

he was a bit of a knucklehead. Like

1:06:00

he, people like we see Spencer Rattlers all

1:06:02

the time at very best, his best case

1:06:04

scenario, he's Gardner Minshew. I

1:06:08

mean, I, I understand

1:06:11

the, the likelihood of

1:06:13

him becoming a startable quarterback for

1:06:16

fantasy football is,

1:06:18

is not high. Anybody that's not a day

1:06:20

one pick. Yeah. It's not high,

1:06:22

but like of the guys that you take

1:06:24

in the on from day three, I

1:06:29

think there's a little bit here, especially in

1:06:31

a Kubiak offense, which is actually a very

1:06:33

good fit for how he plays, which is

1:06:35

a little bit more like a home style

1:06:38

where a little more ad lib, a

1:06:40

little more run around a little more like that kind of

1:06:42

stuff. Like I actually don't think he's a terrible fit depending

1:06:44

on how the season goes. He might get more starts. Most

1:06:49

of these incompletions were actually later in the

1:06:51

game when they were just down so much. He's just

1:06:53

having to chuck it down the field through some picks because of that too.

1:06:56

Like he, they were down a billion

1:06:58

points. He just had to chuck it.

1:07:00

So early in the game, he actually

1:07:02

played pretty well. Still had

1:07:05

250 yards. Like, listen, again, I

1:07:08

don't know. I'm, I'm not as out as you are.

1:07:11

I, what do you give

1:07:13

him? If he didn't poop to bed, dude, he's

1:07:15

a six foot 24 year old quarterback that

1:07:17

to me offers almost zero percent long-term

1:07:22

upside. That's how I've seen him since the draft. I would give

1:07:24

her, I would have what Rich just said is how I viewed

1:07:26

him. But here's the thing. I

1:07:29

never even put him

1:07:32

in a queue to be drafted on any one of my, I

1:07:36

don't have a lot of them, but here's the thing. Even just from

1:07:38

a roster construction standpoint, if

1:07:40

you give up a third for him or have

1:07:43

a third easy, like, okay, you

1:07:45

lose your third. Who cares? If a quarterback,

1:07:47

even Tracy cares, even remotely hits like exponential growth on

1:07:50

that. Cause

1:07:55

you know what? And next year's draft and the third

1:07:57

round I can grab a different Spencer Rattler. I

1:08:00

mean, then why not just take this in the third round. Which

1:08:02

I wouldn't do it because I would grab the Tyrone Tracys. All

1:08:04

right. This running back class is going to be so deep, there's

1:08:07

going to be a lot of Tyrone Tracys to grab from it.

1:08:09

It's just, man, like for that, like I

1:08:11

don't like, like, here's, don't I'm going

1:08:13

to have a third floor? If I have

1:08:15

Derek Carr and I need another

1:08:17

starter because nobody else is going to start, then I'd probably trade a

1:08:20

third for him maybe. That,

1:08:22

like, I'd have to have Derek Carr. I

1:08:25

mean, anybody that has any start, you're going to have to give

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a third floor. Yeah, but he

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sucks. I disagree. That's right.

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That's what we're here for. All right. Can

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daddy go eat? Adios.