0:00

I think the idea of a tour is a great idea . It's

0:02

a good idea . It just doesn't align

0:04

with my personality .

0:06

Well , you don't have to be there , we're not

0:08

going to drag you .

0:10

Who's going to come if I'm not there ?

0:11

We're not going to have a Buzzcast tour without

0:13

Kevin . Jordan's like,

0:15

we're going to plan a tour , the best part is Kevin's

0:17

not coming . Would you

0:19

go , Jordan ?

0:20

Yeah , I would go .

0:26

I mean, it's like Smartless doing a podcast tour without Jason Bateman .

0:29

We're not doing live shows, Kevin .

0:30

We're not ?

0:31

I'm talking about like going to do like a meetup

0:33

or something . I'm not talking about like a live show

0:35

. Could you imagine a Buzzcast live

0:37

show ? People

0:40

would be like walking up the aisles about 30

0:42

minutes in like eh , this isn't really what

0:44

I wanted Early

0:48

reviews say the most disappointing experience of my life . Here

0:53

we go . Welcome

0:56

back to Buzzcast , a podcast about all things podcasting

0:58

from the people at Buzzsprout . I'm Jordan , and

1:00

with me , as always , are my co-hosts

1:02

, Alban and Kevin . Hey guys .

1:04

Hey Jordan , thanks for having us . This is what I'm Jordan

1:06

, and with me , as always , are my co-hosts , Alban and Kevin

1:08

. Hey guys , hey Jordan , thanks for having us . This is

1:10

what I'm talking about . This is what we have to change . Okay

1:12

, we can't do this . If

1:15

we have a special guest on , I think it's fine to introduce the special guest , but

1:17

I think every week starting off with uh , I'm Jordan and

1:20

it's Alban and Kevin , thank you for joining me .

1:22

I just feel like I'm so glad you were able to

1:24

come to our biweekly .

1:26

Yeah , I think as a listener it's

1:29

just like skip , skip , skip , skip , skip Same thing

1:31

every week .

1:31

Yeah , I mean I

1:34

did take up like a full , like two seconds

1:36

of someone's life with that , so

1:39

I need to give it back .

1:40

It's . I don't want to throw around words like inconsiderate

1:43

, but Inconsiderate

1:45

it's not super respectful .

1:47

Wait to be clear this episode we were supposed to record

1:49

47 minutes ago and

1:51

now we wasted two seconds . We have

1:54

longer arguing about the intro

1:56

than actually recording the intro .

1:59

You know , I like every show to be different and then it

2:01

always starts out the same and I always say the same thing

2:03

Like hey , jordan , excited to be

2:05

here . But sometimes that's not even true

2:07

.

2:07

But you don't have to tell me you're excited to be here . I don't care

2:09

if you're excited to be here . I know Sometimes

2:12

I'm not excited to be here .

2:13

Sometimes you're just putting in the work . I'm

2:15

not saying that's where I am today . I'm feeling

2:17

that energy right now . No

2:25

, oh man , I'm always excited about talking about podcasting .

2:27

Sometimes it just takes me a few minutes to get into it . Yeah , no , it's

2:29

fine , that's fine , yeah , so we can just skip over all that

2:31

so how come I have a feeling that you're not going to skip

2:34

over all that ? I'm not going to skip over it .

2:37

Okay .

2:38

We'll workshop it . Yeah , next episode .

2:40

It's always the next episode . Yep , you're gonna nail

2:42

it on the next one .

2:46

Yep , this episode . We're going to kick it off with an update to Buzzsprout Ads that gives advertisers

2:49

more control with their ad campaigns . Alban , can you tell us a little

2:51

bit more about this new update to Buzzsprout

2:53

Ads ?

2:53

Yeah , there's a lot of different ways that you can

2:56

run ads . Sometimes you

2:58

want to run ads that are targeted

3:00

so specifically all the way to an individual

3:03

. You

3:05

want one person to get a specific ad , and maybe you're using something like Google

3:07

ads , where you're targeting the right person at

3:09

the right time because they searched a keyword

3:12

.

3:12

Yeah .

3:12

And then there's really broad

3:15

advertising . You've got all the

3:17

way . I don't know if the Super Bowl

3:19

is the best example , but it's pretty close to the

3:21

best . It's very broad amount

3:24

of Americans watch the Super

3:26

Bowl and you get these ads that

3:28

are like almost everybody is

3:30

a target for Doritos , so Doritos

3:33

runs ads . They're very different ways

3:35

of targeting people and

3:37

with Buzzsprout ads we were a little more on

3:40

the Doritos side in the beginning

3:42

, or maybe we were closer in the middle where we

3:44

said hey , we're going to help you run ads

3:46

and you can target entire categories

3:48

of podcasts . You know , buy

3:50

a bunch of podcasts together and you

3:52

buy a bunch of downloads and you run

3:55

it across a ton of different shows . And

3:57

we had lots of controls . We said if you find

4:00

a show you don't like , you can block it and say I don't

4:02

want to actually use that show . You

4:04

could target shows based on a

4:06

bit more of their demographics . You

4:08

could say here's what they think their

4:10

demographics are . So you could target that way . But

4:13

over time we saw more and more people wanting to

4:15

have a bit more control and

4:18

so we launched a new way

4:20

to run Buzzsprout ads and that is

4:22

where you can pick the exact podcast

4:25

that you want to be in , and so I

4:27

just ran one of these ads myself

4:29

and what you do is just buy how many

4:31

downloads you want and you upload

4:33

your ad and you select all of the

4:36

parameters what categories you think

4:38

the shows are in , and you

4:40

instantly start getting approved . Podcasters

4:43

are like hey , I listened to your ad , that sounds good

4:45

, I'd love it on my show . And

4:47

now I , as the advertiser , can scroll through

4:50

and I see how many

4:52

downloads these shows are getting every week

4:54

and I can go through and just kind of click

4:56

off the ones I really enjoy , listen to an episode

4:58

or two and run ads in their

5:00

specific podcast . So it's

5:02

much more tailored , it's

5:04

much more fine-tuned and you're able

5:06

to find podcasts that you're really excited about

5:09

running ads inside of .

5:10

Yeah , I really like this because , as

5:12

we've discussed before , one of the things

5:14

that really surprised us about Buzzsprout ads is that

5:16

podcasters would just accept whatever ad

5:19

, regardless of if it really

5:21

was appropriate for their audience or not , and

5:24

we were quite surprised by that , because

5:26

we thought that podcasters would be a little more choosy

5:28

about who they advertise with , and

5:30

so I think that this is a really great update for

5:33

our advertisers .

5:34

Yeah , one of the things for sure that was a bit

5:36

surprising is that podcasters are less

5:38

specific or picky about the

5:41

ads that run than advertisers

5:43

are . Advertisers are actually more particular about the types

5:45

of shows that they want their ads that run than advertisers are . Advertisers are actually more particular about the types of shows that they want their

5:47

ads to run in , and so that was a good learning for

5:49

us what this really is . Like Albin said

5:51

, the controls were kind of there before , but they weren't

5:53

optimized in this direction . They were

5:55

more optimized for simplicity of the

5:57

podcaster than they were simplicity for the advertiser

5:59

. And so when you would run

6:01

an ad , you would get , let's say , 600

6:04

podcasts that matched the ad that you just

6:06

ran , and any one of those podcasts could

6:08

just accept the ad and it would start running . Now

6:10

, like Albin said , you could block them , but you had to go through a

6:12

list of like 600 podcasts to

6:15

figure out which shows do I want to allow

6:17

and which ones do I want to block , and

6:30

that's a pretty time intensive task , especially considering all those podcasts

6:32

might not even accept your ad in the first place . So , turning that problem around , what we were able to do is say you matched for 600 podcasts

6:34

, but so far only these five have accepted your ad and now you can just review those five and

6:36

you can say whether you want them in or out . You

6:38

know can they run your ad or not and so it's like five

6:40

at a time and so you come back the next day and there might be five

6:43

more , and you come back the next day and maybe there's seven

6:45

today and maybe there's 10 the next day and

6:47

you can control it without that massive

6:49

time intensive task of actually like

6:51

reviewing and approving or blocking podcasts

6:53

that may never actually accept your ad in the first place

6:56

. So it is another level

6:58

of control , but it's mostly about

7:00

just like convenience , like

7:05

we're not going to waste your time approving podcasts or blocking podcasts

7:07

that may actually never receive your ad . And the UI around it is actually

7:09

pretty fun too , because it's fun to see that you

7:11

know these five podcasts just accepted your ad . Now

7:14

review them and if you say yes , I

7:16

approve that podcast to run my ad , your ad goes live

7:18

very quickly after that .

7:19

So I think using it was kind of

7:21

the game changer for me , because I

7:24

don't want to go in and block

7:26

598 shows

7:28

so that I can accept two ads . That

7:30

felt like the wrong way to do it

7:32

. Now I can just say I don't want to auto-approve

7:35

anybody . Instead , I want to

7:37

go through and hand pick , and

7:39

there were some that were like immediately

7:41

from the title I was like I want to

7:43

be in that podcast . So I was running

7:45

a ad for Buzzsprout . The ad

7:47

is about hey , you want to start a podcast ? Here's

7:49

how to start a podcast . Blah , blah , blah . Here's

7:52

all the information . And I'd see some that

7:54

were about creators and people

7:56

who are trying to break in to online

7:58

digital creation or digital marketing

8:00

. I'm like , okay , that's a perfect fit

8:02

, so I want to be in that podcast . And

8:10

then there were others that I was like it's kind of on point , it's not exact . So an example there might

8:12

be . There was a podcast about women coding and

8:14

I was like that's at least related to

8:16

tech . It's not necessarily creation

8:19

, though . So then I

8:21

look and I go well , they're not getting mass

8:23

downloads , so I'm okay with

8:25

them being in my ad run , because

8:27

they're not going to use up the whole thing . It's only

8:29

going to be a few thousand . That sounds good

8:31

. Then there was another that I think

8:33

was a Buzzcast listener Farmer Fred has

8:36

a gardening podcast and I'm

8:38

like , oh , I love Farmer Fred , I'd love to

8:40

be in there . And then I see he's getting massive

8:42

downloads like very successful

8:44

show . And I went it's almost

8:47

so successful that I went . I'm not

8:49

sure I want to allocate so many

8:51

of my downloads to that show

8:53

, and so it was really nice to be

8:55

able to go through . And then , when someone was on the edge

8:57

, I could click in , skip

8:59

around to their latest episode and listen

9:02

to it . And when I hear it , there were

9:04

some that I was shocked . This is such

9:06

a well-done podcast , I

9:08

want to be associated with it , and there's others

9:10

that you go . All right , they're doing

9:12

good content , but it doesn't

9:14

sound like something I want to be associated with

9:17

, so I don't have to , and it

9:19

just to me felt . I messaged the team

9:21

that built it and I said this feels like a different product

9:23

to me , because now I'm picking

9:25

individual shows that I'm very excited

9:27

about working with versus

9:29

a broad-based marketing

9:32

. Because , at least as far as I

9:34

found in a lot of our ad

9:36

buys for Buzzsprout outside

9:39

of podcasting , I get super

9:41

excited when I find a particular

9:44

website or niche or ad

9:46

type or something that does very

9:48

well , and then we can just keep

9:50

going back to it over and over and over , and

9:53

with Buzzsprout Ads I'm hoping

9:55

to find one particular podcast

9:57

that does extremely well and then we

9:59

just run ads in that podcast forever

10:01

and we basically partner with them forever

10:04

. Those are the relationships that , as an

10:06

advertiser , that I'm looking for .

10:08

Yeah , I've been in that situation . I've

10:10

tried paying for podcast

10:13

promotions on Spotify or

10:15

Overcast . I've toyed with that and

10:17

there's something about , for

10:20

example , when I ran my Spotify ad

10:22

. There's something about spending $200

10:25

on that ad and you wake up the

10:27

next morning and it's done and it's

10:29

over and I'm just like , well , where'd my money go

10:31

? Like it went so fast and it's going to like basically

10:34

the same amount of people , right , but there's something

10:36

about it just going like so fast

10:38

. I felt like it wasn't

10:40

intentional . But

10:45

then when I went to Overcast and I paid for it to be just in this little

10:48

specific category and it took like a week to use up that ad spend

10:50

, that feels a lot better to me . I

10:52

don't know if it's a psychological thing or what

10:54

it sounds like a psychological thing , but it

10:57

just it feels a lot better when

10:59

it's not going so fast . You have no control

11:02

over it .

11:03

Well , you know it goes both ways . You've

11:05

, on one side , there's times where

11:07

you're running an event . An example

11:10

I can think of for this is podcast movement . When

11:12

I went to podcast movement one year , in the

11:14

airport were ads that were targeted

11:17

for people who are attending podcast movements

11:19

. You know about podcasting

11:21

. Here is this thing with podcast ad

11:23

tech , and they had ads in the airport

11:26

and I was like , okay , that's a very

11:28

targeted ad that has to be spent

11:30

in the next three days as

11:32

people are arriving for this event and

11:35

so they want to spend all the budget . Right

11:37

, then , broad base it

11:39

around this area . But

11:41

then there's other times . You're like I actually

11:44

would rather this be spent out slowly

11:47

because I don't want to just

11:49

all of it be spent overnight

11:51

. I kind of want to have those controls , and

11:54

so what we're doing is we're giving more

11:56

controls to advertisers . We

11:58

started with lots of controls for podcasters

12:00

because those are the people we knew better and

12:03

my hope is that some people will

12:05

find a lot of value in targeting

12:07

specific podcasts . Others will find

12:09

a lot of value in I want to be

12:12

able to spend $10,000

12:14

today and run a ton

12:16

of ads across the podcast ecosystem

12:18

. Help me do that and

12:20

I want to be able to do both of those at the

12:22

same time . You know , help me spend

12:24

$1,000 over the next year over

12:28

specific targeted shows and

12:30

then other people . Let me spend a lot today

12:32

to try to do something that you

12:35

know is very timely .

12:39

So last episode we talked about

12:42

how we sort of soft launched fan

12:44

mail and we released

12:46

it to the Buzzsprout for iOS users

12:48

. But in between that episode

12:51

and this one we've released fan mail to

12:53

all of our podcasters on Buzzsprout

12:55

and so that's been a

12:57

big thing that we've been doing this week and

13:01

last . Since then

13:03

we've actually gotten a lot of feedback . It's

13:06

been crazy . We've got about , I want to say , 30

13:08

responses in our fan mail inbox

13:10

on Buzzsprout . So , yeah

13:13

, it's been busy and we have a lot of questions about

13:15

fan mail and we thought that

13:17

we would take this time to kind of go through

13:19

you know what people thought about it and then answer

13:22

some questions that we keep seeing come

13:24

up from our listeners .

13:25

Sounds great . I think we confused

13:28

our listeners a little bit by talking about

13:30

it so much last episode .

13:31

Yeah .

13:32

Because it was just available for people

13:34

who are using iOS . We'd been

13:36

using it ourselves a little bit longer , secretly

13:39

, and so I think we got a lot

13:41

of questions that were like , how do I turn this on right

13:43

now ? And we were like , oh , kind of in a

13:45

, not a beta , but like a limited release

13:47

. You know , there's a lot of laws around

13:49

texting , there's lots of differences

13:52

with international numbers , and we were just figuring

13:54

out a lot and so we rolled

13:57

it out . But we rolled it out to everyone

13:59

who's using iOS just because that was a nice subset

14:01

that really got the benefit when they're

14:03

getting all the alerts and everything , and

14:05

so right now it's out for everybody

14:07

. And it's really

14:10

exciting because we just sent out an email to

14:12

everybody on Buzzsprout telling them you

14:14

can turn this on , and we're getting tons of people

14:16

who are turning it on for the first time .

14:18

Let's go through some of the questions that seem

14:20

to keep coming up about fan mail , and

14:22

the first is sort of an obvious one

14:24

that I think we skipped last time , which is

14:27

where can I find this feature on

14:29

Buzzsprout ? And so where you can find

14:31

fan mail if you want to turn it on for your podcast

14:33

is on the episodes tab just

14:36

right next to episodes . You'll see fan

14:38

mail and then you can click on that and

14:40

turn it on for your podcast .

14:42

Yeah , we gave a slightly different answer last week

14:44

because it was in the iOS app , and so you can also

14:47

enable it from there , that's true . Yeah , which is it's found under

14:49

the more tab at the bottom , but now

14:51

it's available on both , then you can enable it from either spot

14:53

.

14:54

Another question that has come up a lot is

14:56

does it work internationally and are

14:58

there fees involved ?

15:01

What I love about this question is we

15:03

have at least four of them One

15:05

from Australia , one from Denmark , one

15:07

from Nepal and one from the international

15:10

country of Grand Prairie , texas

15:12

. I'm

15:15

a native Texan that does

15:17

sometimes feel like another country , I

15:20

mean . The short answer to this is text

15:22

. It's SMS are dealt

15:24

with differently in every country and

15:26

also are dealt with differently on every

15:29

phone plan . You know there are

15:31

some places where you are going

15:33

to be charged a penny . Some it's unlimited

15:36

, for free , some might

15:38

be as much as 10 cents and

15:40

you can add in . You know , when you tell

15:42

people , hey , you can text the show , you can add

15:44

in . I guess that standard , like standard

15:47

text messaging rates may apply . You

15:49

can put that in there if you'd like . But

15:52

my understanding is that most

15:54

people know texting can

15:56

cost money and the person who's best equipped

15:58

to know how much their own texting plan

16:00

costs them is the person who's sending

16:03

the text . And if they see

16:05

that oh okay , I'd opened my texting app

16:07

and about to send it to an American

16:09

number , they're probably best equipped

16:12

to know how much that will cost them .

16:14

Yeah , in the US there are some laws

16:16

, fcc regulations , I guess about

16:19

like , if you have a contest or if

16:21

you have some promotional texting numbers

16:23

or something like that , that you do have to disclose that

16:25

standard text messaging fees may apply

16:27

. I don't think that applies if you're just

16:29

saying , hey , you can send me a text if you

16:31

want to . There's no benefit of

16:33

you sending a text and so you're not like luring

16:36

people into texting you and so you don't

16:38

. I don't think legally need the disclosure

16:40

. Now , that said , I am not your attorney . I'm

16:42

not anyone's attorney , including my own , and

16:45

Albin , although he did study law , is not

16:47

your attorney . About to not be an attorney at

16:49

all .

16:49

I have a little update there .

16:52

Okay , but that's our understanding

16:54

of how those rules and regulations

16:56

work . So is it a nice kind thing to say

16:58

, possibly on your show , when you're talking about hey

17:01

, click the text if you want to ? It's an easy way

17:03

to get in touch with us . Sure , nothing

17:05

wrong with that . I don't know if you're legally required

17:07

, unless you are enticing people to

17:09

do it as and there could be some potential

17:11

benefit for them of doing it . So

17:14

we got two fan mail questions that

17:16

are similar , from 7018 in Austin , texas , and

17:18

5002 from East Boston Massachusetts

17:20

, both asking is this like one way communication

17:23

or can you text your listeners back ? Yeah

17:25

, we did cover this a little bit last week . If you haven't

17:27

listened to last week's episode , I encourage you to go back where we

17:29

give you in depth , but we position

17:32

this as a way for your audience to

17:34

be able to connect with you , and

17:40

then the way that we're thinking about it is , the best way for you to connect back with your audience

17:42

isn't by texting them back , but it's by giving them shout outs on the show . So we hope that 7018

17:45

in Austin , texas , and 5002 in East Boston Massachusetts we're

17:47

hoping that you're listening to this episode that you came

17:49

back from last week and want

17:52

to hear us respond to your question . We think that's

17:54

the most engaging way for you to get back

17:56

to your audience . So could this at some point

17:58

turn into a two-way texting ? It could be , but

18:00

we're not really trying to solve texting Like texting

18:02

has already been solved . You could give people your number

18:05

, they could text you , you could text them . What we're trying

18:07

to do is give your audience a way to contact

18:09

you and then the way that you go back to them is

18:11

through your podcast . That's what we're trying to do is

18:13

drive engagement on the podcast . So I

18:15

hope that makes sense and I hope it works good for your show , yeah

18:17

.

18:18

The way I've been describing this is yeah , it's , it's two

18:20

way , but the one way has always been there and that

18:22

was podcasting . Podcasting is out

18:24

and the end is now fan mail

18:26

, and I think that

18:28

is the goal is to have . The

18:30

response is always going to be the podcasts

18:32

. Yeah , I saw this one

18:35

come in from five to oh seven

18:37

in Garden City , new York , and

18:39

they were asking does this work with

18:41

Apple Podcasts and Spotify ? They

18:43

turned it on . They're not seeing the messages show

18:45

up on those platforms . Short answer

18:47

is yes , it works with all the

18:49

podcast apps that we tested it on . And

18:52

that's a lot because between the three of us we

18:54

have about 18 different podcast apps on

18:56

our phones , but they sometimes

18:58

take a little bit of time to update

19:00

. So as soon as you turn fan

19:03

mail on , buzzsprout puts it in

19:05

all your show notes , but Apple

19:07

may take a few hours to update your show notes

19:09

. Spotify might take a little bit to update

19:11

your show notes , but maybe it's

19:13

going to be a little bit faster in Castomatic or

19:15

in Fountain or something else . So

19:17

if you look at different apps , they'll

19:20

take a little while to update , but when you're

19:22

releasing new episodes you'll

19:24

start seeing it right away . It's right there

19:26

at the top . Click here to text the show

19:28

and that link is out there . So

19:30

it works with all of the podcasting

19:32

apps now and it works

19:35

well on phone and on desktop .

19:37

Something else that podcasters might be running into

19:39

where they're not seeing the link show

19:41

up in their show notes could be because

19:44

they've already downloaded their own episode

19:46

in that podcast app and so sometimes

19:48

you have to just like unfollow your show

19:50

and then follow it again and it kind of resets

19:53

it and then you'll start seeing those links show up , because

19:55

I had the same thing happen in Buzzcast

19:57

and I was like why am I not seeing this ? And I unfollowed

19:59

it and I was like , okay , it's

20:02

because I already downloaded those episodes .

20:04

Yeah , and if it has cached your descriptions

20:06

and all your old episodes , as soon as a new episode

20:08

comes out , it'll grab that one fresh and the link

20:10

will be there .

20:11

This was kind of a creative question that

20:13

I saw in the Facebook group and

20:16

Crystal said new texting tool from Buzzsprout

20:18

question . Super cool tool , Love it . Can

20:22

we put a link on our homepage instead of just on the episode ? Our

20:24

podcast site is on pod page and

20:27

I think that this can happen .

20:28

Yes , yeah , you can absolutely do it . So

20:31

the Buzzsprout fan mail tool automatically drops

20:33

a link into your show notes . You don't see it necessarily

20:35

when you're editing your descriptions for your episodes

20:37

and stuff , but the final episode

20:40

description that gets published , the link is in there

20:42

. So you could just go to your Buzzsprout website

20:44

, click on your episode . You'll see that link at the top

20:46

and you could right click on that , go down to copy

20:48

the link and then you can paste that wherever you want . So

20:50

you can paste it on your own website or anything else , like

20:52

for Buzzcast . For example , we wanted the link in our

20:54

show notes twice . We put it . You know it automatically gets

20:57

put in the top , but we also wanted it in

20:59

our episode footer and so

21:01

it's also at the bottom . And the way that we did that

21:03

is we copied the link and then we went and edited our footer

21:05

and we added a bullet right at the top

21:07

and we just pasted the link in right there .

21:09

Yeah , I also did this for our email

21:11

newsletter . When we sent it out to everybody I said

21:13

go listen to this episode of Buzzcast for more

21:16

info and if you have any feedback , send

21:18

us a text . And I did the exact same thing

21:20

. Kevin said I copied the link address

21:22

and then I just pasted it as a normal

21:25

link into the texting solution

21:27

that we use . So really easy way to

21:29

do it . This will kind of tie in with

21:31

a couple other questions we've had that make it a

21:33

little bit easier . It will work on

21:35

desktop as long as the desktop computer

21:38

has texting enabled . So

21:40

my Mac has texting enabled , but I know some

21:42

Windows machines don't . Some Macs

21:44

may not have it turned on . So if you click

21:46

the link and nothing's happening or

21:49

it's prompting you to download an app or something

21:51

, that's probably because you're on desktop

21:54

that doesn't have any texting solution

21:56

. It's why mobile

21:58

, which is 85% of all podcast

22:01

downloads , is what we're really optimizing

22:03

for People listening on the phone . Click

22:05

the link , it opens up texts on

22:08

their phone and they send off a quick text

22:10

. So that's where most people will use it

22:12

. But if it's a computer that

22:14

supports texting , then fan mail will

22:16

work there as well .

22:17

Computer that supports texting , then fan mail will work there as

22:19

well . Another question that we got a few times

22:21

was from our Buzzsprout for iOS

22:23

users . They encountered an error

22:25

when they were trying to use fan mail

22:27

sometimes .

22:28

Yeah . So two different ways that this error

22:30

was popping up . One , if you had the iOS

22:32

app installed yourself and then you went to a different podcast

22:35

and you were listening to it like an Apple podcast or something , and then you

22:37

tapped their link to send them a text

22:39

. Sometimes it would try to load up your iOS app

22:41

and you couldn't text from there and

22:44

they couldn't access that podcast from your app . So

22:46

very confusing , weird circumstance . The

22:48

other thing that would happen is if you had more than one

22:50

podcast that you managed through Buzzsprout and

22:52

you had the iOS app installed , you'd get a notification

22:55

that you just received fan mail

22:57

and you would tap it and it wouldn't route you to the right podcast

23:00

. So therefore it wouldn't display the message

23:02

properly . It would say , oh , we can't find that message

23:04

because it wasn't on the account that you were active

23:06

on at that time . Anyway , both

23:08

of those errors were related . They have to do

23:10

with , like , a manifest document that we

23:13

can update on the app side , but then we

23:15

have to push that to Apple and Apple has to distribute that

23:17

out to all the installed people . So

23:19

that's why we're able to fix it very quickly , but

23:21

we had to wait a little while for Apple to kind of propagate

23:23

that out to everyone who had the app installed , and

23:25

we can't force that . It's on Apple's timeframe

23:27

, not ours . So it lingered for a few

23:29

days . So people kept reporting

23:31

these different errors over and over again , and

23:34

after a few days we thought we had it all rooted out

23:36

and find out that there were still a few people lagging

23:38

behind . Anyway , new stuff Bugs

23:41

are bound to happen . It's just unfortunate that

23:43

one dragged on a little bit longer because we were dependent

23:45

on Apple for helping us get the update pushed

23:47

out to everybody than just doing it directly . But

23:49

that's what it was , Nothing too

23:51

alarming , but yeah a little annoying

23:54

that it just took more than a few days to get that fixed

23:56

annoying that it just took more than a

23:58

few days to get that fixed .

24:02

This is not a question , but while Kevin was saying that , I got a fan mail notification myself

24:04

from 7208 in Baltimore , maryland , that said I'm in the middle

24:06

of listening to the show First time doing this . Love the feature , thank

24:09

you . So thank you to

24:11

the person out there in Baltimore , maryland .

24:12

That's like breaking news , that's breaking news baby

24:15

, as we're recording they're coming in

24:17

.

24:17

Yeah , this

24:19

just in , literally we can actually legitimately say that now , though we

24:21

will now take two and a half days to release

24:23

the episode , but this is real

24:25

time , baby .

24:28

We have another question from Veronica saying is

24:30

there a way to know which episode the listener is referring

24:33

to ? I tested it out and it shows up almost instantly

24:35

but does not reference a particular episode

24:37

.

24:37

Correct . That's

24:43

not something that we felt was critical to be able to get this version one of the feature

24:45

launched and out to everybody . We're thinking about it as it's just a way to contact the

24:47

show . If there's something unique about

24:49

the episode that they're commenting on , we hope that

24:51

they would put that in context for you . So

24:53

like listening to your latest episode and you talked

24:55

about this and I think this , but

24:57

if it's just general feedback for the show , then

24:59

maybe that doesn't matter what episode they were listening to .

25:06

Yeah , and that's the way all of our communications are . You know , whether

25:08

it be Twitter or email or fan list . You know

25:10

DMS , like we're not going to know what episode

25:12

they're talking about unless they tell us .

25:14

Yeah , the one exception to that for sure

25:17

is like the boostograms and the streaming sats

25:19

and stuff , you get a lot of data with that . We've

25:21

been using that for almost three years

25:23

two and a half years now with this show . We still get

25:25

you know a few every now and then that come in

25:27

. It's never really caught on in the way that we'd

25:29

hoped it would . Hopefully over time that becomes

25:32

more and more . You know it continues

25:34

to grow on this slow and steady trajectory

25:36

but , as I was saying , with that

25:38

you do get a lot more data . What we found is that

25:40

, even though you get the data , we never used it because

25:43

they're timely and so you almost know

25:45

like all the messages that came in last week had

25:47

to do with the last episode . Every now and then you

25:49

get an outlier of somebody listening to something in the back

25:51

catalog , but usually the

25:53

messages that come in around your latest episode

25:55

are kind of tied back to that episode and so

25:57

on and so forth .

26:02

It's time for sound off the segment where you send in your

26:04

responses to our podcasting questions

26:07

. Let's start off with some boostograms

26:09

.

26:10

We had somebody named Dwev reach out . I think name

26:12

is Dwev D-W-E-V . Dwev

26:14

sent us 2,500 sats

26:17

Amen to encouraging the rising tide that

26:19

lifts all boats and then sent us

26:21

another 1,024

26:23

sats and said the fan mail feature sounds really

26:25

cool , but is available to podcasters

26:27

outside the US and , importantly , listeners

26:30

outside the US ? Yes , Available

26:32

to everybody worldwide , as

26:35

long as you can send a text .

26:37

And then we got boost from the late

26:39

bloomer actor . Hey , sounds like you guys are talking

26:41

about late bloomers . Reminds me of a great

26:43

podcast on that topic , david Clark , aka

26:46

the late bloomer actor podcast , and

26:48

I think that this is in reference . I cannot

26:50

remember if it was Alvin or Kevin . One

26:52

of you guys said from the late bloomers , so

26:57

I think that that was a correction

27:00

on his podcast name . So sorry

27:02

, david .

27:03

All right . Barnabas wrote in , said I'm feeling a little let down

27:05

now that you're moving only to text because

27:07

I don't have a phone yet . I probably have to borrow

27:09

someone else's iOS device soon to install the app and

27:12

get the text feature working . It's an amazing idea

27:14

, but might not work well for my audience because

27:16

we're all mostly under 13 . Overall

27:18

, one

27:24

of the best features in Buzzcast history . So thank you for

27:26

being optimistic , even though it might not work for you and your audience . I do

27:28

kind of agree , though , that , like under 13 , kids probably don't

27:30

need phones yet . You're not going to believe me at

27:32

, barnabas , but your life doesn't get better once

27:34

you get a phone .

27:36

My experience was it got worse . I got a phone at

27:38

17 and it's been downhill .

27:41

So enjoy this time in your life when you're not constantly

27:44

distracted by something buzzing in your pocket

27:46

or when you're driving in a car and you

27:48

don't have a device with you and you just have to look outside

27:50

and find something interesting in nature

27:52

to look at . This is a really good time . Embrace

27:55

it , because as you get older

27:57

and get a device of your own , you're going to find that these

27:59

are very addictive . And it's not all upside

28:01

. So enjoy this time , and

28:04

I'm sure we'll come out with another feature

28:06

soon that'll be more appropriate for you .

28:07

I forgot to put it in here , but Barnabas actually

28:09

followed up saying that once we

28:11

released the fan mail feature

28:14

to desktop , he enabled

28:16

it , and so now he's hoping that he

28:18

gets some text into his podcast

28:20

, the Kids Code Podcast

28:22

. So if you want to reach out to Barnabas and send him

28:24

some fan mail , kids Code Podcast

28:26

.

28:27

Yeah , and Barnabas , tell your listeners that maybe

28:29

they could ask their parents if they could use their device

28:31

to send you a text . Yep , they could borrow it for

28:33

a second .

28:34

We got some fan mail from 9792

28:37

in Westminster , colorado . Did

28:39

you guys hear Tim Ferris on Invest Like the

28:41

Best ? He's all in on audio only

28:43

podcasts , admittedly at the expense

28:46

of YouTube growth . I didn't hear

28:48

this specific episode , but I've heard Tim

28:50

Ferris talk about audio only

28:52

for podcasting many times . Tim

28:55

has a really good blog post about

28:57

there's a point where you get so famous

28:59

and especially if you have kind of like

29:01

a unique look like he does , that

29:04

you start getting like uncomfortable

29:06

amounts of attention and there is

29:08

a level of celebrity that's not good and

29:11

between not wanting everybody to know who

29:13

he is all the time everywhere he goes

29:15

. Also , he said that his

29:17

audio-only podcasts he thought were a little

29:19

bit better because people weren't looking

29:21

at him . He actually records without

29:23

video . So when he

29:25

would record audio-only he said it just

29:28

felt like better conversations and

29:30

that's what he's trying to do a little bit more of these

29:32

authentic conversations , just audio . And

29:34

so I'll have to go listen to

29:36

this specific episode on invest like

29:38

the best . But yeah , I've heard it before

29:41

and thank you for the link .

29:42

Is he saying that he doesn't even do like

29:44

video chats , like what we're doing in Riverside

29:46

right ?

29:46

now .

29:46

Like I can see your guys' faces , but

29:49

he just does audio , only recording too

29:51

.

29:51

Yeah , the way he records at

29:53

least this is a few years ago , so maybe this

29:55

has changed . But last time I heard

29:57

Tim Ferriss talk about it he

29:59

was recording as if you just didn't

30:02

have any video on . Same as a phone call works

30:04

, and my experience

30:06

has also been pretty positive . I get

30:08

worn out looking at video for

30:10

a long period of time and I feel a little bit

30:12

more like I'm performing and it

30:14

feels a little bit more natural for me just

30:17

to do the phone call only version , so

30:19

we all can see each other . But I rarely

30:21

am looking at the screen with both of your faces

30:23

because it just feels better not to Ouch

30:27

, that's not a ding at you . It's

30:29

actually that I can't hide my own

30:31

face and if I look at my own face

30:33

then I'm performing in a mirror and I

30:35

hate it .

30:36

That's true .

30:38

I agree , there's types of podcast episodes

30:40

that I'd like to do with . A video chat Like

30:42

this is one of them , because we all know each other pretty

30:44

well , not just from doing the

30:46

show , but from outside of the show . We've worked together

30:48

, we've known each other for a long time and we also

30:50

, like , have come up with little hand signals . Like

30:53

I'm notorious for my excellent miming

30:55

skills , so like I can can make hand

30:57

gestures , and Albin and Jordan know exactly what

30:59

I'm trying to communicate .

31:01

Kevin was twirling his hand in the air . Jordan's

31:03

like what , wrap it up ? And he's like no , no , no

31:05

, those were finger guns . I'm excited .

31:08

Kill a segment , what ?

31:11

But two of my favorite interviews that I've ever done

31:13

one was with Pat Flynn and one was

31:15

with Jared Easley done

31:18

. One was with Pat Flynn and one was with Jared Easley . So those two podcasts are Smart , Passive Income

31:20

and Starve the Doubts . I think they're both still active . Those were audio only , no video

31:23

, and I enjoyed them the most because after

31:25

you know like I'm used to doing video . So the

31:27

first five minutes felt a little bit weird , but then

31:29

I was very quickly able to just kind

31:31

of get out of myself and into the conversation

31:34

and I found that not having the video

31:36

ultimately allowed us to have a

31:38

better conversation less distractions , less

31:40

things to look at , whatever . I will also tell

31:42

you a little fan mail story . So this fan

31:44

mail from Westminster , Colorado , came in

31:46

right when I was on a five-hour

31:48

car drive this weekend , and so I

31:50

was stopped for gas and I checked my phone

31:53

and we had some fan mail . I tapped in and

31:55

I saw this link and I love Tim Ferriss . I

31:57

listen to the show all the time but I don't

31:59

listen to invest like the best . So I

32:01

queued up invest like the best and

32:03

found this episode with Tim Ferriss and listen to it for

32:05

the next hour or so of my drive . So

32:07

thanks for the recommendation . I really did enjoy that . I really

32:09

did enjoy Tim talking about why he loves

32:11

podcasting and is not really interested in video . So

32:14

if anybody's contemplating whether video

32:16

is right for you , like , Tim has a great take on it

32:18

. He's just not super interested in it and

32:20

I kind of agree with his perspective

32:22

on it . So thanks for the tip .

32:24

And then we got fan mail from Girl

32:26

Dad Nation . Cool new feature . Way

32:28

to go , buzzsprout . Thanks , matt .

32:30

Thank you . 5236 in Akron

32:32

, ohio . I still want to say boost

32:35

, pretty cool , dave Jackson , school

32:37

of Podcasting . Dave

32:40

, you can keep sending us boosts . We're still going

32:42

to read boosts , so please

32:44

feel free to send them all in .

32:46

Yeah , just to be clear , we're fully committed to boosting

32:48

and boostagrams and streaming stats and all that

32:50

stuff . It's just it takes long

32:53

for that technology to kind of become mainstream

32:55

. Texting has been mainstream for years and years , and

32:57

years . So we're jumping on like

32:59

texting as a hey , this is easy

33:01

for everybody , but it has nothing to do with

33:03

like we're not getting down on boosting . That's still available

33:05

on our show , shows that I listen to , I still

33:08

boost all the time , but it's that's more

33:10

cutting edge , a little bit more technical , a little bit harder

33:12

for everybody to do . So , yeah , that's where we stand

33:14

on both of those .

33:15

We got fan mail from 1627

33:17

in South Dakota . Molly

33:19

from Small Business Hustle absolutely captured

33:22

my attitude . There was sass . Last

33:24

week she sent us a message I

33:26

read it with a bunch of attitudes . I don't

33:29

know if the attitude's there , but

33:31

it's been confirmed . The attitude is

33:33

on point . So , Molly , thank you for the

33:35

message . Thank you for the attitude . We

33:38

appreciate it .

33:39

7657 from Mayock

33:41

, north Carolina . Warren from

33:43

Jaded , hr . Love it Simple , easy

33:46

to use and no number to remember . I hope

33:48

this is the tool that jumpstart some listener engagement

33:50

. Thanks , yeah , we hope it is .

33:52

I know from experience reading off that long

33:54

phone number to text us . It's

33:57

a lot easier just to say tap the button in the

33:59

show notes . That's right 60 30

34:02

, pittsburgh , california . Love the new fan

34:04

mail feature but wish there was a way to collect email

34:06

addresses or have an option for our listeners

34:08

to opt into our newsletter as well . Thanks

34:10

so much for all the cool new features . Alessandra from

34:13

the Dom , sub living podcast .

34:14

Yeah , I mean , do both enable fan mail

34:17

so people can reach out to you and send you a .

34:23

Fan mail from 2445

34:25

in San Rafael , California . Love

34:27

the new fan mail feature . Turned it on

34:30

immediately and I hope to get some

34:32

messages . Glad to be with you as my hosting

34:34

provider . We're very thankful

34:36

you're trusting us with your podcast .

34:38

4073 from Chicago , illinois Love

34:40

it , but can we get the Android app soon ? You

34:43

can get the Android app soon . I

34:45

don't I can't say exactly when , but

34:48

think it's going to be soon

34:50

. And what I consider soon , yeah

34:53

, six weeks or so . Roughly

34:55

Can't hold me to it because I never committed

34:57

, but I have a feeling that will be , you

34:59

know , somewhere around that six week mark is kind of what we're targeting

35:01

.

35:02

So six weeks like end of June

35:04

is your prediction for end of June . We're

35:07

coming out .

35:07

Albin , you're trying to ask specifics right after

35:09

I said I can't be specific right , wait , wait .

35:11

You just said six weeks . That's specific and I'm

35:14

just trying to do the math .

35:15

I said roughly six weeks . No

35:17

, don't do the math for them , Alvin .

35:22

What you needed to say was like before the moon

35:24

crosses the celestial plane or some

35:26

sort of like that , something that no one would

35:28

know what it meant .

35:29

Kevin's just hoping it's like a bunch of people like me

35:31

who can't math and we'll never

35:33

know . Like six weeks , that's August

35:35

, right .

35:37

Here's what I'm hearing . Here's what I would feel like if

35:39

I were you . Companies all the time say

35:41

stuff like yep , yep , we're working on it , we're working

35:43

on it , but in reality there's really no work being

35:45

done . That's not the case here . I have

35:47

an Android app . I have an Android phone

35:49

sitting right here in front of me and it is running

35:52

an Android version of the Buzzsprout app and

35:54

it is like 99% the

35:56

same feature functionality as what's

35:58

on the iOS app . But there are some

36:00

little glitches and hiccups and we want to get all that stuff

36:02

right and so we're just putting the finishing touches

36:04

on it and then we've got to do some testing , then we got to get it submitted

36:07

to the play store and stuff like that . My word is

36:09

my oath . I don't know what's the

36:11

word is my bond . We have

36:14

a functional Android app and

36:16

it is coming soon , but I just can't

36:18

give you an exact date only because I just don't want to disappoint

36:20

anybody . But it will be here soon-ish .

36:23

All right , and then we have fan mail from the Netherlands

36:25

. Hi Buzzcast team , your Snapcast

36:27

episode reminded me to check this new feature

36:29

out . Works great . Keep up the good work , sander

36:32

, ooh , sander , oh boy

36:34

, here we go . Vermitslar's

36:37

podcast .

36:38

Vermitslar . Vermitslar . Vermitslar

36:41

6600 at Fayetteville

36:44

, arkansas . Hey , by the way , this

36:46

is Joe . I have a feature suggestion . Co-host

36:48

AI spits out a blog post . Are

36:51

there any plans on implementing blog posts

36:53

with a website that Buzzsprout offers

36:55

? This is a great question

36:57

for Kevin because , as many

36:59

of you might know , kevin used to

37:01

work on a product that was a website

37:04

builder . So , kevin , any hopes of adding

37:06

blog posts to the Buzzsprout site

37:08

?

37:09

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it's something like that . Or they're like playing music while they talk

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Hey , do you guys mind if I jump in with the sound

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off question for next episode ? I've got an

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idea that I think could be interesting

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. So once a year , the

39:25

people who work at Buzzsprout go to one place

39:27

in the US and we

39:29

all get together for a few days and do some work . I

39:31

thought it'd be fun if , wherever we decide to do that

39:34

this year , if we did it in a

39:36

place where I'm sure there's some other Buzzsprout

39:38

podcasters , if we scheduled one night to actually

39:40

like go out and do a Buzzsprout meetup

39:43

in town .

39:44

Do an actual podcasting meetup . Yeah , oh

39:46

my gosh .

39:47

Would that be fun ? I think that's a great idea . And then

39:49

anybody in that area , you know , within reasonable

39:51

driving time or whatever could come meet the team

39:53

and hang out with us for an evening and and

39:56

the whole team would be there . So it's not just like the team

39:58

that goes to conferences , it's not just like the marketing team

40:00

and some of the support team and stuff . It's like the programmers

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would be there and designers would be there and the infrastructure

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guys who are actually making sure these podcasts don't

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go down . Yeah , there's so many people on

40:09

our team who never get to meet customers in real life

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or irl , as the kids say , so

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this would be opportunity . They don't say that , and

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so that leads like how does that transition into a sound

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off question ? I am interested

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to hear from the buzzcast listening

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audience if you want the buzzsprout team to come to

40:25

your town . Like , shoot us a

40:28

text and tell us where you live and why that

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would make a great place for a Buzzsprout meetup .

40:31

Yeah , I love that .

40:33

I like the idea . I think you're going to get a lot of planted

40:36

answers , though . We're

40:38

going to have like oh man

40:40

, it would be really amazing to go down back

40:42

to the Florida Keys . Oh , it'd be . Why

40:48

don't you come over here to Hawaii and check out our beautiful beaches ?

40:50

And you're like I'm not flying everyone out to Hawaii . Come

40:52

to Boise .

40:52

Idaho .

40:53

I'm interested to figure out like where most of our listeners

40:55

listening from . And if we came to your town

40:57

and open it up for a night to come meet the

40:59

Buzzsprout team , would you come and why ? Would it be

41:01

a fun time so why stop at

41:03

the U ?

41:04

S ? Let's make this like an international thing

41:06

. We got listeners in Australia

41:09

.

41:09

Ireland , Ireland .

41:10

Denmark , you know me . I

41:13

believe there's goodness in embracing

41:15

constraints , and so for this year's meetup we're

41:18

going to embrace the constraint of it's going to be in the

41:20

US somewhere , maybe next

41:22

year .

41:23

I'm almost 100% confident that Jordan's

41:25

number is going to text in like Boise . Idaho

41:27

, so I don't have to fly across the country again .

41:30

Well , maybe in some future year we can

41:32

open it up to international destinations , but

41:34

for this year we're going to be in the US . So where do you

41:36

think in the US that we should go ? If we came

41:38

, why would it be fun ? And then if

41:40

we end up choosing that city , then I'm assuming you're

41:42

committed to come and meet us .

41:44

You're committed to come and meet us , so hopefully let's

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hear the suggestions . Yeah , all

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right , so to have a response featured on our next

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41:56

, as always , thanks

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for listening and keep podcasting . My

42:02

husband really , really wants to get

42:04

a dog and we don't have

42:06

like the house for it , and so I convinced

42:08

him that if we did get a dog , potentially

42:11

in the future , it should be a Corgi

42:13

, because Corgis are like quiet

42:15

, they're not big , they don't require like a lot

42:17

of running around outside and stuff like that . And

42:19

now he's incessantly sending

42:21

me links to like Corgi breeders

42:24

.

42:24

How do you spell Corgi ? I need to see a picture of

42:26

one of these dogs . C-o-r-g-i

42:29

.

42:29

Yeah .

42:30

Okay , oh my gosh , that

42:32

is not a dog , that

42:34

is a Pokemon .

42:38

So you know how I only have , I only have cats .

42:40

Yes .

42:40

A corgi is kind of like a cat

42:43

of the canine family . Corgis

42:45

are very close to having a cat .

42:47

I think , okay , these are like the little cutest animals

42:49

I've ever seen in my life . These are like AI generated

42:51

.

42:52

The thing that makes them so cute is

42:54

their butts . Corgis have the cutest

42:57

butts ever . They were so

42:59

cute they look like little cartoons

43:01

.

43:02

Now Jordan . One thing I'm seeing on here

43:04

is they're very affectionate with family . They're

43:06

very good with other dogs . They're very good with other dogs . They're medium

43:09

good with young children .

43:10

I don't have young children .

43:12

You have youngish . You have

43:14

seven , youngest Six

43:16

.

43:16

Yeah yeah , she's trained seven , the other one's

43:18

12 .

43:19

So you don't , maybe they're

43:21

not , maybe that's not young .

43:22

What does medium good mean in a dog ? Like

43:25

it ?

43:25

Like medium good , I mean in a dog like it , like they might nip a little bit . They're hurting

43:27

dogs they , uh , they bite you

43:29

, but not super hard yeah that's

43:32

medium good yeah it

43:34

might nip you if you're like a little rough with it

43:36

. I think I feel like a

43:38

good dog with small children is that their

43:40

two year old can like latch on to

43:42

it and it's not gonna like get upset with

43:44

them you know what I mean . Like pull on it , yeah

43:46

, like maybe a golden retriever would just

43:49

like take it , you know . But

43:51

corgis might like nip a little bit like

43:53

get off me .

43:54

Another thing I'm seeing here from the American Kennel Club

43:56

shedding level is

43:59

a four out of five . Five is hair

44:01

everywhere it is a four out

44:03

of five , they've got a double coat .

44:05

I don't know about that .

44:06

Yeah , so I have a . I have a Husky . Yeah

44:09

, huskies are double , double coats too , right

44:11

, and I'm pretty sure . Look them up , alvin . But

44:13

I think a Husky has got to be a five out of five

44:15

. I can't imagine a dog that sheds more .

44:17

I don't know how you can be a podcaster

44:20

with a Husky , because they are the most vocal

44:22

dogs . I would love a Husky , but they're vocal

44:24

at least mine is vocal , like

44:26

you can control it .

44:28

So with my dog anyway , once in a while

44:30

she'll get a little bit talkative and then

44:32

we can engage with that , like we talk back

44:34

to her and she enjoys it , and then she's going back and

44:36

forth and we play in that way . But if we don't

44:38

engage with it or if I ask her , you know like

44:41

no , quiet down , she will stop . Yeah

44:43

, she'll like walk away , that's good they . They're very

44:45

smart dogs . The shedding thing

44:47

is a real deal . Now for

44:49

us it's not that big of a deal because she's outside

44:52

so much . We brush her regularly . I don't mind brushing

44:54

the dog . My wife like does

44:56

sweep every day Almost . We tried like

44:58

a little Roomba thing for a while but it's not that big of a

45:00

deal for us to

45:08

kind of keep it under control in the house .

45:10

Yeah , and we have long hair cats , like two long

45:12

hair cats . We usually take them to get groomed

45:15

and shaved , which you guys have seen

45:17

photos of that . They look like they get like the lion

45:19

cuts where it's the big mane around the head and the pom

45:21

pom on the tail , and it's so funny and

45:24

they get so angry for like two days . But

45:26

it keeps it pretty clean in the house

45:28

. So I think we'd probably just do the same with

45:31

the corgi . Just make sure we get it groomed a lot .

45:33

I'm all in on the corgi . I'm looking at all these pictures

45:35

and I've never seen it

45:38

. Looks like what my husky looked like when she

45:40

was like three , four months old . Yeah

45:42

.

45:43

And they have like little short legs . They can't jump , which is

45:45

hilarious . It's so cute , so we don't

45:47

have to worry about it getting on the couch .

45:50

Like it can't . And what are they like at full grown ? What are they like 15

45:52

, 20 pounds ?

45:52

I don't know , I don't know the weight

45:54

, but I think they're like cat size . Yeah

45:57

.

45:57

Up to 30 pounds

45:59

for a male , 28 for a female , according

46:01

to the AKC American Kennel

46:03

Club . Oh , my gosh . I can also

46:05

tell you . Here's a few more stats from the

46:07

Kennel Club . Shedding level

46:09

, coat grooming frequency and drool

46:12

level are all the same as

46:14

the Siberian Husky . Four out

46:16

of five shedding , two out of five grooming

46:18

one .

46:19

Wow , drool level . That's great . So

46:21

we're low . Yeah , I will take shedding

46:24

over drool any day .

46:26

Where are they in the intelligence level ?

46:28

They're very smart .

46:29

That's I mean . There you go . That was my main

46:31

criteria for whatever dog we got . I just wanted

46:33

it to be trainable .

46:34

Yes .

46:35

What I found out with huskies is that they are very

46:37

intelligent and are very trainable , but they're

46:39

also very stubborn , and so almost

46:41

100% of the time with my dog anyway

46:44

, she knows exactly what you're asking her to do , but

46:46

it just depends on her mood whether she's going to do it

46:48

or not . Yeah , as opposed to like a German

46:51

shepherd or other working dogs like

46:53

they don't have that personality . They just want to

46:55

please you . So if they understand you , they will do exactly

46:57

what you want . Huskies are not super interested

46:59

in pleasing you . Yeah

47:02

, we always say the Husky is more like a cat in

47:04

the dog body .

47:05

They are . Yeah , yeah , they're very similar

47:07

to that . It's funny because in

47:09

Boise we have a corgi festival and it's

47:11

just hundreds of corgis in this park and it's

47:13

amazing . But my

47:16

youngest daughter , when she was four , she was terrified

47:19

of dogs , like so scared of dogs , and

47:21

my husband had the brilliant idea

47:23

of taking all of us down to the Corgi

47:25

Festival where it's just all these Corgis

47:28

in these like cute little costumes and stuff , and

47:30

she got over her fear so

47:33

fast and it was like that one interaction

47:35

was just like 1000 Corgis and

47:38

she was just suddenly like , oh , dogs aren't

47:40

scary , and so it completely

47:42

changed her mind about it , and I think that's also

47:44

part of why we're thinking about maybe a Corgi

47:46

. Well , he's more into it than I am . I

47:49

kind of am just fine with , like the two cats , but

47:51

I think that the kids are maybe wanting

47:53

something a little more fun than just two

47:55

cats .

47:56

Let me ask you this what do you do ? I'm not a cat owner , but

47:58

what do you do with your cats when you all leave town ?

48:00

Nothing . They do not care

48:02

that you are gone .

48:04

Like they can just take care of themselves . Do you have like , are

48:06

they ? They can go in and out of the house by themselves , or

48:08

what ?

48:08

They're just completely indoor cats but

48:10

they don't require like

48:12

exercise or anything like that . Like they can

48:14

run up and down the stairs all they want . They just

48:16

walking the cats . I actually have

48:18

leashes for walking the cats , so

48:21

like sometimes we'll take them outside , but not a lot

48:23

. They will just sleep

48:25

on the couch . My mom lives down the street

48:27

and so she'll come check on them like every

48:29

other day when we're gone on a trip . But

48:31

we've been gone for like a week and

48:34

they've never like run out of food or water

48:36

or anything like that . They're just so easy to

48:38

take care of . Yeah .

48:40

So I mean a dog ? Obviously that's not going to be the case

48:42

. Exactly yeah , and we like

48:44

to travel exactly

48:50

yeah , and we like to travel , so it that makes me a little nervous . So here I'll tell you how we've

48:52

solved it , and everyone probably has their own solution . But from the very early

48:54

age we started boarding our dog on

48:56

a pretty regular basis , even if

48:58

we weren't going out of town , because we wanted her to be comfortable

49:00

. We wanted to be comfortable , we wanted to be able to go out

49:02

of town for a week or so and not have to worry

49:04

that she's not happy or she's homesick or whatever

49:06

. And so we used to . We started off

49:09

when she was probably I don't know six

49:11

to eight months old , we started putting her in boarding

49:13

like daycare , getting her assimilated with

49:15

other dogs and used to spending the night there

49:17

and just kind of work that up from six months

49:19

on . And so now when we go to town she's

49:22

happy . She's so excited she's bouncing out of the

49:24

car as we pull up to the boarding place . She

49:26

loves it there , oh , that's cool , I can't wait to go there . And

49:28

so we never feel bad about if we're going out of town for a week

49:30

like she's going to have a great time for a week

49:32

and when she comes home she misses us , she loves us

49:40

and it's super exciting again . But if we brought her

49:42

back the next day she'd be bouncing out of the car age

49:44

. So they're not like . There's . A lot of dogs

49:47

get very anxious and don't do good in boarding situations

49:49

and then it ends up really impacting on what

49:51

the family can do and how often you can travel .

49:53

How much does it cost to board a dog overnight

49:56

?

49:56

Way more than it should oh . I

49:58

think like a three-star hotel

50:00

for yourself is what you'll probably be paying for a dog

50:03

.

50:03

Yeah .

50:04

More than La La Quinta .

50:06

My mom really , really likes corgis

50:08

, so I'm hoping I can like .

50:10

Yeah , so same thing . Just bring your dog over to

50:13

her house on a regular basis so she gets used to having

50:15

it over there and the dog gets used to being there .

50:16

And yeah , you know what's going to happen is one of the days she's

50:19

going to be like you know what ? I think I'm just going to keep them . That's

50:22

really what's going to happen .

50:23

A good friend of our family . They travel with us a lot because

50:25

our team our sons are on the same swim team and

50:28

they can't board their dog because their dog just gets

50:30

like anxious and sick and just doesn't do well

50:32

. And so every time we travel for swim

50:34

meets for weekends , they have their dog with them . So

50:36

they can only go to hotels that accept dogs . They've

50:38

got to like leave between every event to go back to the

50:40

hotel and check the dogs . They don't want to leave in the crate .

50:42

The whole time .

50:43

I mean , people love their dogs to pieces . But they

50:46

can have a negative impact on your life if

50:48

you don't kind of get them used to

50:50

the habits and things that your family likes

50:52

to like from likes to enjoy early

50:54

age .

50:56

Yeah , one of the other things I worry about is vet

50:58

bills , because I mean cats like never

51:00

have to go to the vet . You just you never

51:02

have to take cats to the vet either , and so I'm just

51:04

like , ok , so now we're gonna have like vet bills because

51:06

I feel like dogs you have to take to the vet

51:08

a lot , and I don't know why

51:11

I have that in my head , but like it just feels

51:13

like dogs you have to take like at least once

51:15

a year .

51:16

Oh yeah , at least once a year . I think we were twice a year . I

51:18

think our dog gets checked twice a year and

51:20

the first year it's like four times . Oh

51:22

yeah , and if you get like a rescue

51:24

or if you get them from a shelter , then they will come spayed

51:26

or neutered . If you get them from a breeder , then you're going to

51:28

have to do that yourself at some point

51:30

. And that's not cheap . Yeah

51:33

, yeah Dogs aren't cheap yeah .

51:35

Jordan . A few other facts I can tell you about the Welsh

51:37

Corgi that I've learned by watching

51:39

this video on autoplay on the AKC

51:42

website , the Queen of uh . The queen

51:44

of england had a corgi . The

51:46

corgi was featured on some

51:48

british coins . It looked

51:50

maybe it was a pound cute .

51:52

Could you imagine if it was like ? The face of the corgi and

51:54

then the butt of the corgi on the other side .

51:56

He's so cute it

51:59

was , uh , it was sitting in the queen's lap oh

52:01

, okay but it's also

52:03

, you know , all those like dog races

52:05

. there's like obstacle courses where the person's like

52:07

running along with the dog and they're doing his fast . Those

52:10

are like all Corgis or at least in this video

52:12

they are and they're dominating . So

52:14

they seem to be very smart and they're

52:17

a herding dog , even though they're so tiny

52:19

. There's a bunch of them herding cattle

52:21

, so it sounds

52:24

like looks like pretty active , pretty smart

52:27

, pretty friendly little dogs . I think you

52:29

might have found the right breed . I hope so .

52:31

Yeah , they look very similar to the Shiba

52:33

Inu but , like many , a different yeah .

52:34

Chonkier . They're like a stubby , chonky

52:37

version of a Shiba . Yeah .

52:39

Less athletic .

52:40

Yes , definitely . Sure , they

52:42

can't jump as high .

52:44

Yeah , I mean , why not , you know , just

52:46

tack on another . Another reason for people

52:48

to text the show Smash that text button and write

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in Should Jordan get a corgi

52:52

? Smash that text button . Is

52:55

this going to happen .

52:56

I love it .