Listen to the co-founder of 4RM+ULA, in St. Paul, Minn., detail the impact of systemic racism of black architects, call out the willfully ignorant, and explain the underpinnings of "Minnesota Nice."

This episode references the 2019 NAACP report "The Twin Cities Economic Inclusion Plan." A link to the report can be found in the June 4 Washington Post op-ed "It’s hard to hear ‘Minnesota Nice’ without undertones of irony and despair," by journalist Michele L. Norris.

Read more about Garrett and his three-step process for design firms to take tangible steps toward equitable and inclusive outcomes and the impact of the Twin Cities riots on 4RM+ULA's own projects in "James Garrett Jr. Lists Actions for Architects, Institutions, and Business Owners to Combat Systemic Racism," by ARCHITECT Mind & Matter columnist Blaine Brownell, AIA.

This conversation also references a June 5 online forum organized by AIA Minnesota titled "Response for Damaged Properties in Minneapolis and St. Paul."