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Hundred. Percent. I.
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We are back. Were in the
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Los Angeles studio. joining us. Today
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is somebody who is built like
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us. Things like us works like
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us. doppelganger. He's He's a total
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doppelganger. Our. Trying to get a more
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motivated and thus today's all about skins Guy
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on the right track. We have the same
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interests.the same activity. Give it up for a
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campaigns everybody that a mere it not all
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at once Now. You
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gotta be fucked up to the i know
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you're sore. Oh at. Yeah. That was
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a it was a test and
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flat chest but you just you
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need tunnel vision like we are.
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There were built different yeah and
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vagina built different. You. Just you know
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achieve the goal. What of exactly exactly it was?
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Let's be real here. It was a total thrill.
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I got told you I'd say that text We
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were elated that you joined us. Everybody was good
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to have you as a thank you So much
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for car I was I was honored to be
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there because it was that was and I said
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it in a post this morning. I've.
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Been to lot of races. Yeah no, that was
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one of the. Air. Was the most
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well organized start finish. Just an environment
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that I've ever been parts such a
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refined group as by raising great mood.
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Ah it was. It was unreal. But
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then you had like. You. Had
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this crazy variety that you wouldn't normally
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get at at normal race. Yeah yeah
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because you had Jelly Roll their who
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has that? This V Nom had you
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guys there that. People. Been foreign
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you along on your fitness journey? yes
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sure and so that has given inspired
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so many people so is like this
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is just as weird. That.
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Are no is and then you dare and
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most absurd your friend knows forgot her name
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chat chat was a cat bradley who is
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awesome I am resisted she was has a
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creepy when i go and meet or nice
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your own should reserve so by i follow
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on his to room she said well i
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were follow lot of ultra marathon or like
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why though it never. A
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though she was awesome! Yeah, what what
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I would say about those? Go! because
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I really love training with Kat, Courtney, Sally
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McRae, I don't know if you guys know
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her. Yeah, I know Sally. She's Yellow Runner.
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Yeah. Those girls, it's weird
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because guys, we have these egos, we always
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wanna talk about we're badasses or
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like show that we're tough. They
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are so fucking tough, but
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they trick you because they're so cool,
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chill. Cause like Ultra Runner girls are
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kind of little, like kind of free,
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not hippies, but kind of free spirit.
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But then just complete savages when it comes
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to like running in the mountains
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and you're like a guy, he
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will wanna break you and know that, and
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you know that that's kind of the deal with men.
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Yeah, I'm better than you. It's a test, always a
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test. I broke a bunch of men yesterday. Right,
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exactly. It's fun to when you pass someone and
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then they go, wait, you're passing me? Yeah,
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I know. It's a good feeling. You know what
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that's called, Goggins calls that? Taking
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souls. You
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took souls yesterday. Took a bunch of souls
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on that back fucking last mile. I was
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fucking flying. Where were you at? I was
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flying, I was doing like around an eight
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minute, sub eight minute mile on the down,
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cause it's downhill. And I know my
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stride, I know my pace and I was like, and
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I did 11 the first mile and then
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10 ish. All
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I know is I was at 15 at
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halfway point, girl fell down,
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blew out her knee. And so I sat with her for three minutes and
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I was like, I
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was like, you're fucking up my time. She
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was like, thank you for sitting with me. I was like,
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no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor was a guy filming for
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me and he goes, cause he goes,
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you had a music plant, right? And I go, yeah, I had the
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ear buzzer. He goes, yeah, you ran
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past Jelly Roll. He was like, Tom, I want to finish
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with you. And he goes, he goes, Tom. He
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goes, yeah. Kind of bothered Jelly
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a little bit. I didn't hear anything. You took
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this race so fucking serious. Well,
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here's the thing, man. Okay,
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so I did, I did, my
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sister signed me up for a Turkey Trot Thanksgiving day.
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I was in for Florida. So
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I had no idea really how to prepare and
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there's actually great apps that are like Oh, you
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want to do your first? Yeah, you know so
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to five. Yeah, the 5k thing and it was
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like, you know It starts you off like hey
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run for a minute and then walk for eight
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You know like what but then when you start
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doing week by week, it really does change. Well
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I'm doing it. It's a 10-week program Seven
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weeks out. I break my big
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toe, right and Basically
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when you break a big toe, they just go it'll hear
4:29
heal in four to six weeks You can't
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run on it. You gotta like so, you
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know the first few weeks I'm just I
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have a more boot for a few days and then
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you're just kind of walking and you're easing into it
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So I heal up like a week before I
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get in a few runs and I'm like, well, I guess I'm doing it
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Thanksgiving day and I do it
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my only goal on Thanksgiving Day was like just
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don't stop Right, like just was it a 5k?
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It was a 5k. Yeah I
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go just don't walk. I
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just want to run and I was trying to keep my pace
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up and I was just you know I was running with this
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group and I ran it in 32
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32 and change and I was like well and my
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only actually my other goal was just to beat my
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best friend From high school who
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was like, I'm a beat your ass. No, you're not
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right From cancer. That
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was a few years ago He's
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I just want to beat this cancer patient. Yeah,
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he's listen he's Fine,
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he's deaf now, but he's fine. So
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I Beat him
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and I was like I made him give me the money
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in front of people I try to humiliate him and then
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you know, it's just being a friend So
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so so my goal coming up to
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this one was like I just
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want to beat my thank you Time. Yeah, and
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I mean look this was like I
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mean, we had a lot of time to do
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it It was you know race race day and
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every time very serious. Well, I mean I do
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rain I well, Jack was telling me I
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think I don't remember if I got to tell you this that
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I was really fascinated that to Really
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get you your heart rate or
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your cardio better. You know, the, what
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everyone tells you, Zach, and like if you read
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the running articles, it's all about like zone two
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training. But when
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your cardio isn't great.
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You're in like zone eight. Bro,
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and the thing is, if you're, so
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what would happen is I go, well, I can run, let's
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say, I feel like I can run
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a casual in my mind, right? Like
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10, 11 minute mile. But what I don't realize
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is when I'm doing that, my heart
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rate is in zone where I have been like, I'm, so
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then I go, well, how do I run zone two? Well,
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I look, I realize I gotta be running like a 13
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minute, and they're like, that's what
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you gotta do. And you gotta do it over time.
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And then over time, the, your
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zone two will take place at a
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lower speed or faster speed, right? So
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at a lower pace. And
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as I'm doing that, I'm like, oh, this sucks.
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Cause it's really shitty feeling to be
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like, I'm running a, this, this
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slow ass mile. So anyways, I'm doing some
6:57
outdoor running, but we're traveling all
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the time. And sometimes we're not in ideal weather
7:02
places or whatever. So I'm doing treadmill too, which
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is different. It's different. You figure
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out later that like, I mean, for me, I
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go like, oh, this is okay. This is easier.
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Like once you go, well, you don't
7:12
have to propel yourself. Right. You
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just go up and it goes like this. It
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works a different set of muscles. Actually, I found that
7:18
out the hard way. Yeah. But I
7:20
only ran treadmill, only ran treadmill. And then I'd go out
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to do a race and I'd be like, oh
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fuck. All I've been doing really is
7:27
catching myself. Yeah. Catching
7:29
myself. So it's all the front muscles,
7:31
all my back muscles, the ones that
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would propel me were underdeveloped. I found
7:36
myself, well, so race starts and first
7:39
of all, having, you know, 10 45 start,
7:41
like yeah, fucking hot. Also
7:44
anxiety is building. Cause you have like, yeah, all
7:47
this time going by like, come on, let's go.
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I put up that clip and people are noticing
7:51
like you were so serious, like in the back
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cause Travis Barker was there, me and Truett and
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you were right there too. And like
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he's checking his watch, you know, getting the head fight.
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Well, somebody came up some press person came up to me and
8:02
they and they're like I go get the fuck out of here
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Yeah, I was trying to focus but
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I also found men like a couple
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minutes into the race Yeah,
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I was like man. This is way
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harder that up early that uphill was like that
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Yeah struggle for me man. It was started off
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uphill slightly and then that little jog we had
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to do. Yeah Yeah, so that that part I
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was like, you know, I we come back down
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but I was like I could I wasn't even
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Looking but I just knew I was like man. My heart
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rate is fucking you never looked at it. I didn't look
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at it It's got to 194. I Don't
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know what you guys just get to but
8:38
because he was pushing hard but 194. It's like
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that's redline. Yeah, that's redlining Yeah for sure. No, I love
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I love getting my heart rate up there. It makes me
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know I'm not gonna die I do
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I do I do anything. I still cardiologist
8:50
might disagree. I'm strong It's the acid bath
8:52
where you get on the fucking you
8:54
get on the assault bike For a
8:56
minute as many calories as you can do and
8:59
when you're done you're going But
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I felt the finish line by the way, so
9:04
I did too people were like camp camp and they
9:06
wanted a picture I'm just like give
9:08
me a I mean, I always thought I was gonna
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frickin do is there was a lady on the approach
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to the Finish line who came up to me with
9:15
a mic and I was like Like I
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just made a gas My
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dad my dad's a legit his whole
9:22
life was a legit runner like you
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really honestly marathons If I call
9:26
if I call my dad on the phone right now He
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would he can still give you exact times it
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splits like he remembers all of it He
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told me when I yesterday he goes my fastest my
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fastest 5k was like 16 minutes
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17 minutes good and so When
9:42
I had tasks running. Yeah. Oh my dad was
9:45
run marathons and you know Low
9:48
three three hour man. Yeah, you know, and
9:50
so he would run six minute miles for running
9:53
a marathon. It's pretty good So that's under three.
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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. My dad was like Legit
9:58
it's all he did. I don't know what
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he was running from. Yeah. Everyone's
10:02
running from something. You
10:04
know, their kids. He's
10:07
like so much regret. Yeah, my stepfather goes fucking
10:10
marathons and be his pace guy with my uncle.
10:12
Yeah. So like we'd go out and we'd have
10:14
water for him and everything and have snacks for
10:16
him and we'd meet him at places. So I
10:18
spent my whole childhood going to fucking marathons. Yeah.
10:21
And so never won't never ran one. We'd all
10:23
run Turkey Trots when we were kids. But
10:25
my dad was laughing so
10:28
hysterically at Tom. Cause he's
10:30
like, I go, yeah, his trainer is going to
10:32
pace him. And he was like, it's
10:34
a 5k. And he was like, what's
10:36
he pacing? He was trying to break three minute, three 30 minutes.
10:39
Yeah. And Tom, my dad goes, hold on,
10:42
hold on. He can't run a 10
10:44
minute mile by himself. And I said, well, he
10:46
doesn't run. Like if you run, you know, when
10:48
you run, there's something
10:50
also that happens is that those first
10:52
miles are hard, but the last ones
10:54
are like, let's get it
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fucking over. Yeah. And that's where you push.
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11:08
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30 yesterday really good. Oh, you're trying to get under
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30. I was trying to get under 30 But you
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so 30 you still improved though. I'm pretty I cut
16:07
two minutes off. That's it You
16:09
know that I was talking to a
16:11
Huberman about this a couple days ago
16:13
And I was saying it's crazy how
16:16
when you start off running a 5k you finish 5k
16:18
and you're like fuck Yeah, that was
16:20
and then you're like why I wonder if I could do 10k
16:22
Then you do a 10k and then you do
16:25
a half marathon Did you do a marathon to do 50k
16:27
than a hundred K that a hundred miles? It's like it's
16:29
the same you're the same person.
16:31
Yeah, how the fuck was 5k
16:33
your max? Yeah, and now
16:35
because people everybody starts at a 5k
16:38
and then now some people running 100 to 200 miles same
16:42
Same body. It's up here though. Yeah, I mean obviously
16:44
your body has to yeah You know your heart has
16:46
to be you have to be more efficient. That's the
16:49
thing because when you're not efficient That's when your heart
16:51
rate skyrockets talk about efficiency and running. This is fascinating
16:53
and I know this from my dad Yeah efficiency running
16:55
a lot of people same with swimming Yeah, a lot
16:57
of people don't know how to swim, but
16:59
if you know how to run, you know, it's not it's
17:02
it's that when you watch Camera, it's really pretty
17:04
because your arms aren't make it you're like almost
17:06
like dancing a little bit Like you have a
17:08
good you have great arm My dad dad
17:11
my dad's seen videos of you running goes God. I love
17:13
this fucking stride God, I love his
17:15
fucking stride, but you really glide when you run.
17:17
Yeah, it's a you watch You
17:19
watch like those pro runners and their head
17:21
isn't even moving. Yeah, you know what I
17:24
mean? It's just like so efficient and that's
17:26
why some even elite marathon runners can have
17:28
you think they'd be shredded They're
17:31
so efficient. They still have a little fat on
17:33
their belly. Really? Yeah I
17:35
mean, they don't have a six-pack but because if
17:37
you're running on a flat road and
17:40
you're that efficient It's what
17:42
does it translate? What does efficiency mean? It's
17:46
I mean less work. So
17:48
they're they're not they're not working hard, right? If
17:50
somebody who's struggling like this, they're working their
17:53
ass off. You were all struggling yesterday I'm
17:55
struggling but your your body was moving in
17:58
ways. No for sure. Yeah So
18:00
when it's like when you're tensing it so
18:03
they say it goes all the way down to
18:05
wearing sunglasses Because if you
18:07
squint that's taking energy. Mm-hmm
18:09
from your body Sure, so it's that's it
18:11
just a measure of how efficiency plays into
18:13
being the better I've heard this Like
18:17
all this talk about efficiency with sprinters, right?
18:19
Yeah, you get into elite sprinting The
18:22
coaches are are down to
18:24
like micro movements So not waste the energy
18:26
like you said on a facial muscle, right?
18:28
And they and they train for these hundred
18:30
meter guys that just blaze down there a
18:33
hundredth of a second difference So it's like
18:35
those little things make they add up Yeah,
18:37
but yeah, especially like when
18:39
you talk exact bitter the guys who do the ultras
18:41
like the girls we talked about Efficiency
18:43
is is so key because
18:46
to be able to sustain that
18:48
pace not falter Even
18:50
when you know, you're burning calories and hydration
18:52
everything the whole time. It's it's difficult But
18:54
people who are the best are the most
18:57
efficient when did you like think did you
18:59
always have a goal? for ultra
19:01
stuff or were you like I Feel
19:03
like most people with with running go like a marathon
19:06
is a goal Mm-hmm. Did you do one and then
19:08
go I wish I think I could do another a
19:10
further run Yeah, it's just like
19:12
how I explained you start at one thing and then
19:14
you just want to test yourself more You do once
19:16
you do it. I mean, I even heard jelly yesterday
19:19
say he wants to do a half marathon Yeah, dude,
19:21
you know He's the one he's the one
19:23
that like was like really yapping
19:25
about it. Yeah, so that's that was
19:27
with me, too It's just like you you did it then
19:29
you're like God Wonder what I'm
19:31
capable of and so then it's just that
19:34
still chasing that what's my limit? Yeah That's
19:36
what we always kind of want to find
19:38
is what's our actual limit? I haven't
19:40
found it yet, but it's like that's kind of
19:42
the game and it's not it's not really in
19:45
my opinion It's not physical. It's a mental thing.
19:47
Well, that's what I I mean the thing that
19:50
you know You when we watch
19:52
like a Goggins and you the thing
19:55
that I always think about I'm like this guy's
19:57
just so mentally tough like that your
19:59
mental and it's actually,
20:01
it's really fun to be around. Because I feel
20:04
like, you know, when you do comedy, one
20:06
of the most fun things is to hang around with
20:08
comedians. And what happens is like, when you hang
20:10
around for a while, everybody's joking,
20:12
you're joking, you're laughing, and you
20:15
leave there kind of feeling better
20:17
about comedy and yourself in
20:19
comedy. I think when you hang around like really
20:22
mentally tough people, you know, you take a little
20:24
of that, you know what I mean? You just
20:26
kind of go like, oh, this person is, it's
20:29
good for you. It's good for you to be around
20:31
it. It's the old adage about, you know, the five
20:33
people you hang around. So if
20:35
those people are elite runners, or
20:39
if they're a comedian, you're gonna
20:41
pick shit up. You are, yeah. You're just,
20:43
it's just, you're around it, your conversations are
20:45
different, things you think about, talk about, how
20:48
you carry on in a daily life,
20:50
it's different. And then it all leads to whatever that
20:52
goal is. Yeah. It's
20:54
also, there's a thing, and I
20:56
can't speak for you, but I know that like, when
20:59
you have his fitness level, and
21:02
he looks at 12 miles the way we look at
21:04
like two, you
21:09
know, we like, you know, we get on the, say we're gonna
21:11
go do a 5K in the hotel, and
21:14
you're like, you know, I'm gonna walk the first mile, get
21:16
some emails. When he starts running,
21:18
your first three miles have to be like a little
21:20
loosened up and being like, okay, now we're in there.
21:23
And then once your brain clicks over and you get
21:25
that runner's high, and you are like, your
21:27
breathing's right, I watch, because
21:29
I know you'd run a half
21:31
marathon, or a marathon every day at lunch, right?
21:33
Yeah. It's fucking. Yeah,
21:36
there's times when I do that, yeah. It's
21:39
like inconceivable to most people. Yeah,
21:42
it's just like, but when you spend time
21:45
around Goggins, around Courtney, it just, it
21:47
doesn't seem inconceivable. You know, like in
21:49
my previous life, essentially, before I'd
21:52
done that, yeah, I'd be like, what? That's
21:55
not even possible. Nobody could do that. But then you
21:58
start, I like telling the story. about
22:00
Courtney because Kat, who was here yesterday with us,
22:03
she ran great, but her and Courtney were
22:05
roommates one time at this running camp in
22:07
Europe. And I'm
22:09
not going to get the details all
22:11
right, but they were running as part
22:13
of the running camp because sometimes like
22:16
Solomon or Cass
22:18
Brooks running, or they have these running camps
22:20
for their sponsored athletes. So they were on
22:22
the same team in Europe and they were
22:24
running 50k a day, so 31 miles a
22:28
day. And all pro
22:30
runners, so they're putting in the
22:33
miles, right? Well, Cass said, she's
22:35
like, me and Courtney were roommates. And she
22:37
goes, we would do the run, come back
22:39
for meetings, dinner,
22:42
everybody would then go and go to bed.
22:45
Courtney would go, go out running. Go
22:48
out running at night? At night. So
22:52
the 31 miles wasn't enough.
22:56
That's why she is who she is. She's
22:59
just grind. So, and I asked her like, and
23:01
she'll never talk about her training really. I don't
23:03
even know how many miles
23:06
a week she runs. She underplays everything.
23:08
Just her demeanor is so like chill.
23:11
And I said, so I heard a rumor that
23:13
you would go running at night and after you
23:16
guys did the 50k, she's like, oh yeah, but
23:18
not much. And
23:20
I'm like, well, how many miles? And he's like,
23:22
five to seven miles, she said. So it's
23:25
like, that's significant after you've already done 31.
23:28
But anyway, so when you hear stuff like
23:30
that, then you think about what you're doing
23:33
differently. And it's just, that's
23:35
just what happens. That was adapting for you
23:38
from going from
23:40
like 5k, 12k, you know, or 10k,
23:42
half a minute. Like was
23:44
the adapting process of getting yourself there
23:47
a pretty gradual slow thing?
23:49
Or did you have to, you know, hit
23:51
new gears mentally to do that? Yeah, it's
23:54
your body adapts. Just like we talked about. Your
23:57
body does change. Joe even
23:59
talks about stuff like. this he'll talk about like
24:01
the Mongolian archers you know their bones because
24:03
they point such heavy bows back their bones
24:05
would get thicker their body would change so
24:07
your body does change you know I said
24:09
it's the same body that had a hard
24:11
time doing a 5k and is
24:13
doing a hundred miles but it does change over this
24:16
time that's that's the incredible thing about a human body
24:18
is we can adapt and I always say your body
24:20
gets used to what you ask of it if you
24:22
don't ask much it's not going to give you much
24:25
yeah if you ask a lot it's going to give
24:27
you a lot so that's all it is it's like
24:29
it does change it takes time like there's
24:31
always when you start like doing
24:33
that and testing your body differently you
24:35
can get injured there can be things going
24:38
on but you really dial in your diet
24:40
you really dial in all these little things
24:42
that allow your body to to flourish
24:44
and get stronger did your body composition
24:46
itself change a lot in your early
24:48
days too oh yeah yeah definitely it's
24:51
like you know it's uh you look Puerto
24:53
Rican when we first saw you've seen
24:55
early pictures of cam Haynes now it looks
24:57
Puerto Rican yeah I actually I don't know
24:59
or young you you ran with uh who
25:01
you run in next to Lance Puerto
25:04
Rican cam Haynes yeah
25:06
but like cams like a totally
25:08
different human being now yeah it's
25:11
uh you're skinny yeah there was a
25:13
time so when I ran with lance in boston
25:15
that's no I don't really mean yeah there we
25:17
go um I ran with lance in 2008 in the
25:19
boston marathon so that's 16 years
25:26
ago and I wait like right yeah there's a picture of
25:28
it right there down to the right down
25:31
down over to the right one
25:33
more that's lance right is he not looking like
25:35
Puerto Rican Puerto Rican cam Haynes
25:38
yeah so uh that was 2008 I weighed like 150
25:40
pounds and now 170 little
25:44
over 170 okay so I
25:46
was thinking well to be my best runner I
25:48
got to be light yeah sure and so I
25:51
was like all I was doing was was
25:53
runt 20 miles a day that was before I
25:55
was before I'd even done let me think I'd
25:57
even done a hundred mile mile or at that
26:00
time. But I
26:02
thought I needed to be light. So I got down to 150 and
26:04
I just, I couldn't, because I still hunt and
26:06
if I kill a bull elk, I got to
26:09
pack, you know, a lot, hundreds of pounds.
26:11
I just wasn't, I was more frail. So I'm
26:13
like, Oh shit, this isn't going to work.
26:16
So then I went and started running. Last got up to
26:18
190, but muscle. And
26:20
then I couldn't run. I wasn't efficient on
26:22
that. So now where I'm at now is
26:24
like the best of both worlds. And prior
26:26
to you running these ultra kind
26:28
of distances where even like before your
26:30
marathon days, like when you were
26:32
a half marathon runner, were you still at the like
26:34
one 50 ish range? No, I was probably a little
26:37
heavier. I wasn't in that good of shape at that
26:39
time. Okay. You know, I'd run like
26:41
I would run a half marathon slower than
26:43
we ran the first half of Boston.
26:46
Really? So I just got, I got better over the
26:48
years. You know, you just get, you figure out
26:50
what it takes. What's also weird is, and
26:52
I think the race you sign
26:55
up for is the race you do in your
26:57
head. Meaning if you sign up for a marathon,
26:59
you're going to do a half marathon extremely easy. Yeah.
27:01
But if you sign up for a half marathon, you'll
27:04
do the 5k very easy and the fuck it all
27:06
of a sudden half marathon becomes
27:08
very long at six miles,
27:11
but a marathon becomes very
27:13
long at 13
27:15
miles, but 22 miles, marathon's a fucking,
27:18
yeah. And I know we're not on
27:20
our show anymore, but like I, that was
27:24
the point where you're, where people start, your
27:26
body starts giving out, like people's legs start
27:28
seizing up and people shit themselves. And you
27:31
said something, you see that guy the other day,
27:33
Davis Clark, he shit himself. It
27:36
went viral on a run. Yeah. And I
27:38
commented on this post. I said, nobody cares
27:40
shit harder. And, uh, he,
27:43
he ran, it was Boston and
27:45
he videoed, he got at the end, he videoed himself with
27:47
shit running down his leg. Did you
27:49
see the chick pull over to the side,
27:52
pull her pants over to the side and
27:54
shit in the street? Oh yeah, I did.
27:56
Really? You were talking about having to go
27:58
to the bathroom and you start. So
28:00
this is like race talk. I love this
28:02
shit because when you run a marathon I
28:05
mean maybe a hundred yards
28:08
out they have a ton of porta-potties because what
28:10
happens is Everyone has to
28:12
shit the second they start the marathon
28:14
Yeah, everyone has to piss the second
28:16
day everything and that happened to you
28:18
yesterday Well like also, I mean I'm
28:20
a all-day water
28:23
coffee guy. He goes pretty much Yeah, it's in me
28:25
you always have to pit. I always got a pee
28:27
Yeah, and I always think and then like, you know
28:29
at shows like I get to the show You
28:32
know, you're hanging out in the green room like this.
28:34
I mean, I might go pee Eight
28:36
times before the show. Yeah, right and there's always like
28:39
that last one right before you go I just like,
28:41
you know, it's just a constant thing. So I didn't
28:44
I didn't you know the day
28:46
before I Hydrated well and
28:49
then morning of I'm not like overdoing it, you
28:51
know, I'm just I had a little coffee drinking
28:53
some water And we have like
28:55
hours to kill so whatever I hit the
28:57
head a few times and then
28:59
it's like, all right Let's let's walk over and
29:01
I went one more time Where
29:03
we're standing around and I just get in my I
29:05
go fuck I got a pee and they're like and
29:07
here we go So
29:10
we started there's nothing worse than having to piss when
29:12
you're running right when you start Yeah, I was like,
29:15
I was like, this is exactly what I want to
29:17
pee. So We
29:19
get in the run and then I'm just just Distract.
29:21
I don't think about peeing because I'm distracted by like
29:24
how hard I'm working to run
29:26
Yeah, and when we get done, I
29:29
was actually gonna go in there like Oh jelly
29:31
and Bert are Coming up in
29:33
a few minutes. Okay We
29:37
you know you guys come out come through we
29:39
celebrate it's like look let's head in now Well,
29:41
then we're like, let's walk into the stadium and
29:44
I remember we were walking in And
29:47
I was still kind of like the you know, the party
29:49
of like, oh we're here now Now let's like get this
29:51
thing started and I kind of don't think about
29:53
it. Then I get in the cold tub I was like
29:56
man. I got a piss. I'm not gonna piss Yeah,
29:58
I was like but I was like I was like, I do have
30:00
to pee. Then I get out
30:03
and I'm like, talking to this
30:05
person, pictures, I forget. And
30:08
then we go through the entire experience. And
30:10
as we're walking back, I
30:12
turn to Zolo, and I go, I
30:14
had to pistons the race. He goes, that was
30:16
four hours ago. And I was like, I don't
30:18
know what happened. My body just shut off
30:21
the notification that
30:24
I got a pee, and then it was one of the most
30:27
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I love this. I love introducing
32:44
and I'm by no stretch of the means
32:47
like a real race guy but like I do
32:49
love them and I love that we
32:52
introduced it to a group of people that normally
32:54
wouldn't do it and now they're kind
32:56
of into it. Yeah. I'd said
32:58
this to you. Your accessibility
33:00
meaning like what you perform at is I think
33:03
a lot of people go I'll never get there.
33:05
I think a lot of people look at
33:07
me and Tom and go well those fat fucks can
33:09
do it. Yeah. And so the people that were there
33:11
yesterday were like I mean
33:13
yeah they could have
33:15
fucking sold a dickload of blood
33:18
pressure medicine. And running shoes.
33:20
And running shoes. Yeah and seeing Jelly
33:22
out there. That gives so many people
33:24
hope. You know what I mean? He got
33:26
out there he did it and it's just like that's
33:28
like he's gonna impact more
33:30
people than I could than you could because
33:32
there's a lot of people who think that's
33:35
so unrealistic for me because you guys are
33:37
active and everybody kind of knows that now
33:39
so it's not a it's not a shock
33:41
to see you do a 5k. To see
33:43
Jelly who their figure probably hasn't run much.
33:45
To see him do it and then smiling
33:48
in like all the positive affirmation. He
33:50
was so positive. Yeah and it's like
33:52
that's gonna change how
33:55
many lives. You know he's obviously very
33:57
well known and he was saying that you know he dropped
33:59
70. pounds and then
34:01
but I was running into people all day.
34:04
I lost 25 pounds. I lost 50
34:06
pounds. Some guy came up to us, he was like, I lost 250 pounds.
34:10
I was dying to know what he looked like before.
34:12
I'm sure it wasn't great but there was a, and
34:14
he did it, by the way, there was no
34:17
better feeling than when I was like meeting people
34:19
and I was like, how'd you
34:21
do, and if they were younger than me and
34:25
like leaner than me and their
34:27
time was a slower line, I would smile so big and
34:29
I go, that's good. Congratulations,
34:31
man. Good for you. And
34:33
then I met one guy who was in a
34:36
fucking, like a mascot
34:38
suit. Yeah, the bear. And
34:40
he was like kind of out of shape. He did it twice. He
34:42
goes, I did it twice. I go, what was your time? He goes,
34:44
26. I go, how the fuck did you do that? He
34:46
goes, I'm 23. Oh, okay. That
34:49
helped. Yeah, yeah. That suit looked hot
34:51
as hell too. I was like, you ran it in this?
34:53
Those people make me so angry when they run
34:55
it. There was a guy that beat me in the LA
34:57
marathon who was in a big bird suit. There
35:00
was a guy with a tuba. There
35:02
was a tuba. He played the tuba the whole fucking
35:04
race. There was a guy, there
35:06
was a kid with MS that
35:09
beat me and his dad, his Mexican
35:11
family, his dad ran with him in jeans, jeans
35:14
and just work boots and ran with him
35:16
and they lapped me twice. Like
35:19
I'd try to take their souls. Yeah, no.
35:22
Then they'd fucking smoke my soul. There
35:25
was some impressive, there was some impressive runner. I mean, besides
35:27
you guys, there were some other
35:29
people there. They were like, I was just flying.
35:31
Your asshole son ran it
35:33
with jeans on. He did. Which I
35:35
basically, I saw you guys the day
35:37
before and I'd seen that before
35:39
so I said it as a joke. I
35:42
go, what are you gonna run into tomorrow? And he's like, I hope 18. And
35:44
I was like, well, it doesn't count if you're not in jeans. And he
35:46
was like, okay. And then he shows up
35:48
in jeans. I touched them. Are these real jeans?
35:50
Yeah. And he was like. I
35:52
think he was like kind of waffling on shorter
35:55
jeans. But once you said that, we saw him
35:57
at the whatever that. Yeah.
36:00
The Oaks? Yeah. Yeah. So then he's like, no, I
36:02
told Thomas, you know, we're jeans. And I couldn't believe
36:04
it. I was like, you're, this is a joke, right?
36:06
Yeah. And he ran good. I mean, he ran like,
36:08
I think 1806 was it or 12, 1812? That's
36:14
fucking pretty fast. When I got, when I was
36:16
doing it. 1812.
36:19
Looking like, like
36:21
a green beret that just lost his gear.
36:23
And yeah, I mean, like, your son, he's
36:25
jacked. Bro. He looks like an underwear model.
36:28
And he ran it like he was at the
36:30
bar and some chick gave him a booty call.
36:32
Yeah. And she was like, Hey, can you come
36:34
over here in 10 minutes? And he's like, I
36:36
got it. I'll be right back. Yeah, you're only
36:38
three miles. Be serious. That was unreal, dude. That
36:40
is so impressive. I only, my only regret is
36:42
not touching his hands. I probably didn't focus on
36:44
his hands. What? Cezanne's are fucking shredded from the
36:46
fucking goddamn pool. He does them an oven mitt
36:48
now, I think. He's the pull up king, right?
36:51
Yeah. Yeah. He did 8,124 hours. Do
36:54
you worry? Cuz I worry that
36:56
my lifestyle- That we will beat that
36:58
record. Oh, what were you gonna say?
37:01
My lifestyle has permeated my daughters in many ways
37:04
and in my mentality. And some, I don't want them
37:06
to have the work thing I have where I'm like
37:08
obsessed with work. But like your kids
37:10
get the shit you give them. Do you ever
37:12
think about like, shit, I
37:15
can't escape this killer mentality. I
37:18
have it. My dad gave it to me. I got it.
37:20
And then I gave it to my kids. Do you ever
37:22
let go? Man, I
37:24
know you probably don't go, I wish I had kids to play
37:26
video games. But do you ever go, I wish I didn't give
37:29
them all that hunger. Yeah, you
37:31
know, to be honest, it's
37:34
hard. So like, the path he's going
37:36
down, the world record pull ups, I
37:38
was like, you can't just
37:40
show up and kind of get through a- You
37:44
got to make, you know, big stuff,
37:46
hard stuff. And that's exhausting. So I
37:48
said, you got- I'm 56 now, he's
37:50
27. And
37:53
I'm like, you got 30 more years of
37:56
hard shit. That's
37:58
a lot. word with my
38:01
other son who went and was the
38:03
ranger because I had like, I
38:05
thought I had fucked up like raising kids. I didn't know
38:07
what the hell I was doing, but I'm like, I'd
38:09
always tell him, I'm like, if you're average,
38:12
you're a failure. I love that.
38:14
I love that. I know. But, but
38:16
then, you know, you
38:18
know, so if your kid has a good job,
38:21
an important job that the community needs, but
38:24
they're not like this elite, whatever they feel like
38:26
a failure. And so I had to say,
38:28
I said, I had to say, it's like, there's
38:31
nothing wrong with having a regular job. There's
38:33
nothing wrong. You know, after, after
38:35
they had already had been through all the shit that I had
38:37
said, like, look around, see all these people at the movie theater,
38:39
right? And I'd be like, all
38:41
these people, we don't want to look
38:43
like those people. Those people are average. And
38:46
then I was just like, you see,
38:48
Bert, you see Tom? All right. Yeah. So
38:50
you guys, yeah. I look like this. So
38:52
I was like, God, what the fuck? What
38:54
was I thinking? Because not everybody
38:56
has to be this freak. No, but what you
38:58
were, you were, you know, that is coming from
39:01
a, what you did, I think, I mean, I'm
39:03
a father of two younger boys. And
39:05
I think you were, you're putting your boys
39:07
on a good path. I think
39:09
it's tough to be probably tough to
39:11
be campaign son. Because you know, your
39:13
dad's like an ultra achiever, like regardless
39:15
of the field. So any, anytime
39:18
your dad's an achiever, but you
39:20
know, you play, you put a
39:22
mentality into your kit. No
39:24
mentality comes without like some price. Yeah,
39:26
it all comes at a price. But
39:28
like, I mean, look at
39:31
your boys now. Like, you know, they're, they
39:33
don't hate me. So they don't hate
39:35
you. And they are for a while,
39:37
but they are achieving incredible things. They're
39:39
good kids. The way the way I
39:42
looked at it is because I, I
39:44
didn't have any advantage. So I realized
39:47
life is fucking competition and I'm
39:49
losing. So like when I
39:51
first started bow hunting, it was like, well,
39:53
if I'm like in the best shape and
39:56
I get to the mountains, all
39:58
these guys who have more conduction, And no
40:00
more people have more money and better jobs, but
40:04
in the mountains, I'm better than them. I
40:07
call the shots out here. So that's what
40:09
gave me that edge. It's like, I can't
40:11
in the regular world, I'm
40:13
fucking nobody. But out here, now
40:16
I can call the shots. So that's where
40:18
I learned really quickly that life
40:20
will kick you in the dick if you're not ready
40:22
to compete. So I'm like, I got to get my
40:24
boys ready. Life is competition.
40:27
And if you want to win, which we all
40:29
want to win in our own little thing, you
40:32
got to be built for it. We're built different.
40:34
But seriously, it's like, so I maybe
40:36
was too serious about it because I
40:39
was young and it's like, didn't understand
40:41
the balance of it. You know, I
40:43
didn't really, school was
40:45
like, yeah, get good grades, but it's
40:47
always physical. So were they physically
40:49
doing a lot of stuff early? Always.
40:52
Yeah. Running. They both
40:54
did half marathons when they were seven.
40:56
Under two hours. Isla
41:00
couldn't spell half marathon at seven. She
41:04
can't do it at 17. At seven? Seven,
41:06
yeah. And Truett ran, who you
41:09
guys met yesterday, he ran,
41:11
here's another me being psycho, but the Eugene marathon,
41:13
you have to be 16 to run it. So
41:17
I lied on his thing. He was 13
41:19
and my dad was getting ready to die
41:21
from cancer. So this is 2010. And
41:26
we said, well, if Truett could do this
41:29
marathon, give my dad his marathon medal. Right.
41:31
And so Truett was 13. I said he
41:33
was 16 and he ran, ran
41:35
it in 330, which
41:37
is a pretty damn good marathon. Really good
41:39
man. So that was who ran yesterday. So
41:41
he's, they've been, they've been
41:44
pushed for a long time.
41:47
Wow. Yeah. But that's, I think that I
41:50
used to, I used to want Kevin Hart to talk
41:53
about luck more than hard work because luck is so
41:55
important in life. But then there's
41:57
another thing that I think made it.
42:00
Maybe I have too. Maybe
42:02
my dad put it in me. When I
42:04
was in first grade, my dad,
42:06
I said I'm the fastest kid in the class. He
42:09
said you'll never beat me at anything. And
42:11
I said, I'm pretty fast. And he
42:13
goes, well let's go outside. Let's
42:15
do a sprint. See, it wins. And
42:18
I was in first grade, I was six years old,
42:20
and I was six or seven. And
42:22
I fucking was cooking down the
42:24
street. And as I look up, my dad
42:26
is running backwards. I told
42:28
you you'll never beat me at anything. But you
42:31
need that. I think you need that. Weird
42:33
parenting things to give you a brain
42:36
that says, listen, I'm not the most
42:38
talented comic, but I'm very high achieving
42:40
because I don't believe I belong anywhere.
42:42
I don't believe I have value. I
42:44
feel like if I don't create it,
42:46
I won't be invited. If
42:49
I don't show up, if I don't work harder
42:51
than everyone else, then no one will notice me.
42:55
And I think that that's a really important
42:58
thing to instill in Switch How to
43:00
identify the fact that you're
43:02
feeling this, and then use that as
43:05
your advantage. Yeah, you gotta
43:07
have something. What, why are you
43:09
gonna stand out? That's
43:11
the thing. People, they wanna stand out.
43:13
Sometimes how you've done it, how you've
43:15
done it, it's hard. So
43:18
they can stand out for being a fuckup. Still
43:20
get attention, but just negative attention.
43:23
To stand out for
43:25
putting in work, doing positive, making a positive
43:27
difference, that's fucking hard. And
43:29
I've known that my whole life, so that's what I
43:31
tried to teach my boys. Tell
43:34
Tom a little bit about your childhood and
43:36
your youth. Because I've listened to your book.
43:38
I told you, out of
43:40
all the inspiration, all the self-help books you'll
43:42
get, Cam's book
43:45
is the most applicable to your
43:48
life. Because instead of
43:50
saying, this is how I do it, your
43:54
book is really, this is why I do it. I
43:56
felt that way. And so tell Tom
43:58
a little bit about, Just give him like for
44:01
everyone listening goes, oh, I know Cam I know he's been
44:03
on Rogan 30 times but like tell
44:05
him a little bit about like where you grew up how
44:07
you grew up and And how you got
44:09
it got into everything Yeah, I
44:11
mean the the biggest part of my childhood was
44:13
here's the biggest thing and you know We can
44:16
offer a kid something different than this but my
44:18
mom and dad got divorced when I was young my
44:21
dad, of course I thought was Superman
44:23
like most kids do but he's an
44:25
incredible athlete And I
44:28
just basically just always wanted him around and
44:30
he was never there. So I didn't I
44:32
was always like Wanted this
44:34
thing this approval from dad type
44:37
thing so my mom got Remarried
44:40
stepdad hated him. He wasn't my dad.
44:42
So Never gonna
44:44
work. You're not my dad It's like that has
44:46
to be the worst thing ever for a step
44:49
parent it to have some
44:51
fucking kid like me Say
44:53
you're not my dad. I don't I don't
44:56
have to do what you say. That's pretty much
44:58
how my whole life So it was this
45:01
big butting the heads battle all the
45:03
time. I you
45:05
know I'd want to
45:07
go live with my dad Because he
45:09
lived in Portland But then I'd miss my brother
45:11
because I had a brother we have
45:13
the same mom and dad then I have My
45:15
other brother ran yesterday to a half brother That's
45:18
my mom and stepdad's kid and then I have a
45:20
half sister on that side Then no anyway got a
45:22
bunch of mixed up kids But uh,
45:25
I have a full brother and so I'd move
45:27
with my in with my dad didn't miss
45:29
my brother Cuz I was by myself in Portland Anyway,
45:32
it wasn't good. Um so
45:34
that was kind of the how it worked is
45:36
like my dad
45:39
everybody knew my dad down in Eugene because
45:41
he was like this track phenom and
45:43
I'd hear stories about him and So
45:46
when you because as parents we
45:48
fuck up all the time so kids see us
45:50
fuck up I never saw
45:52
my dad fuck up. So I always just had
45:54
him like he was up here forever
45:58
I never saw anything bad, you know, and It's
46:00
like that was, so it always
46:02
like, knew he was a track guy,
46:04
so I'm like, I wanna run, I wanna be like
46:06
that, just to maybe he'll notice.
46:09
And that was pretty much it. So.
46:12
Well, that's what connected with me is that my
46:14
dad was a track guy, and his weekends
46:17
were all spent running. I mean, he'd be up at six in the
46:19
morning, he'd run. He'd run 10 miles every night when he came home
46:21
from work to just go out and run a quick 10 miles. And
46:24
I think part of me, I got into track and field.
46:28
I played baseball very heavily, but
46:31
my dad was always involved when
46:33
you were doing the sport. Like you could get,
46:35
I could get my dad 100% if
46:37
we went to a running store to look at shoes, if
46:39
we went to a sporting goods store, if I was
46:42
playing baseball, if I said, hey, let's go play baseball,
46:44
hey, let's go for a run. Like
46:46
my dad would always be like, oh, that was the
46:48
way we connected. It's why I go
46:50
to sporting goods stores obsessively today to this day,
46:52
is it's a weird thing, it's like makes me
46:54
comfortable. But I did track
46:56
and field, I remember when I
46:58
got into track and field freshman year, I
47:02
was running the 220 and the 200 and the 400 were
47:07
my two races and my dad got so into
47:09
it. He introduced me to Fartlix and he would
47:11
train me on the track. And
47:13
it was like, but it was like, it's
47:15
this weird, I'm looking
47:18
for the thing, I'm looking
47:20
for that thing. And it's
47:22
defining who I will be, I don't know that.
47:26
I was like, and Eugene running in Eugene
47:29
at that time, was that's
47:31
the beginning of Nike, that's pre-Fontaine,
47:33
that's fucking, that's the Mecca. Yeah,
47:37
it is. So did you hate running? Cause
47:40
you felt like you had to do it cause your dad
47:42
wanted you to do it. Cause that's how my kids, my
47:44
kids hated running, I make them run. No,
47:47
I loved it. My dad
47:49
did some really fucking crazy
47:51
things. My dad would compliment
47:53
me on things that weren't real
47:56
and I would believe them. Like what? Number
47:58
one, you love it. pressure.
48:01
He said that to me when I was six years old.
48:04
You, buddy, this is where you excel.
48:06
Other kids, they don't have what you
48:08
have. When all the chips are on
48:11
the table, you fucking show up. And
48:13
I don't know if that's real or not. I really don't.
48:15
But I'll tell you what, I fucking
48:18
love pressure. We started to believe it though. I believed
48:20
it. I believed it. And you manifested it. You put
48:22
me into a game and fucking
48:24
three, two people on base were
48:26
down by two runs and I
48:29
would fucking deliver because I love, I
48:31
would all of a sudden that energy
48:33
would skinny up. This is a stupid
48:35
story, but don't
48:37
do much athletically. Do secret time. Two
48:39
shows and Philly. I bomb on the
48:41
first show. I bomb. Really fucking ate
48:43
a dick. I have
48:46
one show to deliver and I'm
48:49
nervous. And Leanne says, well,
48:51
you know, you love pressure. And I
48:53
went, oh, that's right. I do. And all
48:55
of a sudden, when it's, I focus
48:57
in and I dial in and I love
48:59
pressure, but I don't know if it's real.
49:02
My dad always told me, you have a beautiful
49:04
stride. I love your stride, buddy. God, it's like,
49:06
they compliment you on athletically things. As
49:09
a kid, throwing a football, god damn it, you
49:11
have the tightest spiral. Like he would just,
49:13
he was really good at like, I
49:15
don't even know if they were real. Who won
49:18
the football throwing? Oh, the fucking black guy. Yeah.
49:21
I saw the pictures of it. So, uh,
49:24
without him coming on, cause he wasn't
49:26
one of the comics. Yeah.
49:29
Cause it would have been is I thought
49:31
it was a comic competition. But yeah, yeah.
49:33
We was brought somebody else wasn't, it wasn't
49:35
Tony Henscliffe. That's for sure. Wasn't Ari. No,
49:37
it was not. Oh, it was Feenalberg.
49:41
If I don't throw a fucking Feenalberg's a
49:43
sneaky athlete. Yeah. Yeah.
49:45
Those barstool guys show up. Yeah. Yeah.
49:48
But it's, it's interesting. I like, I
49:51
think a lot of what
49:53
you do online is by
49:56
proxy parenting. It's like,
49:58
is when you look at people, people to look up to.
50:02
I get messages from young men
50:04
who say that. Absolutely, that's a big one.
50:06
Maybe there's something to it, which is
50:08
weird because most of the time I felt like I was
50:11
fucking up as a parent and now it's like these people
50:13
who I don't know are saying that. Well
50:15
it's funny because honestly, I think
50:18
from podcasting, you
50:20
know, we get messages like that. Like
50:22
people who, and it's usually like younger men who
50:25
maybe don't have any,
50:27
like they just want some type of guidance, so what they do
50:30
is they follow
50:33
shows, you know, and then they find
50:35
a voice that they like or something that they relate
50:37
to. But I think nothing
50:40
crazier than being a jackass
50:42
comedian who's like, I look up to you
50:44
guys, and you're like, okay. But
50:47
with you, I feel like
50:49
that really makes a
50:52
lot of sense to me because like, you know, I
50:55
consume your content
50:57
or however you want to call it, like you know, sometimes
51:00
inadvertently, like you're scrolling and you're like,
51:02
I was cam post. And
51:04
you just look and you're just like, I gotta
51:07
get off my ass today. It's a great little, you
51:10
know, pill you didn't even mean to take and
51:13
that motivation hits you. Yeah, that's where the algorithm
51:15
works because sometimes we see shit that does the
51:17
opposite effect to us too, so it's like you
51:19
can kind of cultivate who you follow and why
51:22
you follow them and it can have that, even
51:24
though you're not intentional, you're like, oh, and it
51:26
just makes you feel like I should go do
51:28
something. Just run a fuck around a marathon at
51:30
lunch. And you're
51:32
not an influencer who just posts
51:35
videos of you working
51:37
out, you are someone, and
51:40
that's all you do, you have a job, you're like a grown up.
51:43
Do you think, I have regrets as
51:45
a parent, hard regrets, Tom will not, I
51:47
don't think, because I think, and
51:49
I mean this, I don't, this, like Schultz, I was talking
51:51
to Schultz the other day, I was like, what are you
51:53
doing Tuesday? He's like, oh, I'm flying home. He
51:56
said it to me, he's like, you know, I gotta be with my kid, and
51:58
I didn't have that luxury. I had to
52:01
I was a poor parent not poor but like I
52:03
didn't have Leanne was I wasn't making money You did
52:06
a hustle. Yeah, and I so I had a
52:08
panic where I was like, yeah parenting's great
52:10
I'd love to sit and read a book with you But
52:12
I need to make sure you have money to go to college
52:15
Do you think some of that comes into the
52:17
fact that you were just a regular dad and
52:19
you were like yo I've got to make
52:21
money for these kids and I've also have
52:23
aspirations I want to be bigger and
52:25
you look back and you go. I guess I
52:28
could have done that differently Mm-hmm. Yeah,
52:30
I mean, I I just think I
52:33
had kids I don't know how old your your
52:35
guys had kids, but I was you know, like
52:37
25 Damn, and I was
52:40
I was kind of a fuckup still drinking
52:42
just Just being an
52:44
idiot but kind of when I had Tanner my
52:46
oldest it's I'm like, I
52:49
don't want to be a loser dad I've seen loser
52:51
dads out there and it's just like I better so
52:54
I I still kind of drank
52:56
more than I should have but then finally ended up
52:58
stopping because I was just like I gotta be I
53:01
Guess be the example for these these
53:03
boys. This is you know, when you Come
53:06
up like I did it's looks like the only thing that's
53:08
gonna set you apart is work Hard
53:11
work because it's not gonna be money and it's not gonna be
53:13
anything else So it's like it does I
53:15
just got pretty serious about that and probably too
53:17
serious on how hard I push them but the
53:20
where I know it paid off because
53:22
like Tanner is good at
53:24
basketball my oldest and he was Everybody,
53:28
you know wants to be the highest achiever they can
53:30
I said I go listen If you
53:32
do what all these other kids do just go
53:34
to practice do whatever I said You're
53:37
not gonna stand out. I said we
53:39
got to do extra work So we started
53:41
lifting when his 14 and then we'd stay
53:43
and shoot threes after practice every day For
53:46
hours and he ended up getting
53:49
all-state first team all league And it's
53:51
just like that was like a really big
53:53
lesson because I said you do what they
53:55
do You're gonna be just like them. So
53:57
then the boys really learned early that I
53:59
gotta do more than everybody. If I'm
54:01
going to stand out, if I'm going to be great.
54:03
If you're going to stand out. If that's your goal
54:05
to stand out. Some people, I don't know what, have
54:08
different goals and that's fine. My daughter's more of an
54:10
academic, so I didn't
54:13
fuck her up on the physical
54:15
stuff. Also, by the way, with the
54:17
drinking thing, if you also had kept
54:19
drinking, I don't think physically you could
54:21
push yourself to the limits that you
54:23
do, right? Yeah. I just
54:26
thought with drinking, it's like what I
54:28
care about is being strong, having
54:30
endurance, being able to run and bow
54:32
hunt. Drinking doesn't help any of
54:34
those. It hinders all of them.
54:36
So I'm like, your recovery would have been. I'm
54:38
like, I'm saying I want to be the best
54:40
at all these things, but then I'm sabotaging myself.
54:43
So that was just an easy choice for that.
54:46
We were talking about talking to Gronk about
54:48
that the other day. Oh
54:50
yeah. How he would party hard. In
54:53
his early 20s, and then he was like, by the time it was
54:55
like late 20s, 29, 30, he was
54:58
like. The recovery. Well, he was
55:00
talking about how you
55:02
could pick it up. As
55:04
an athlete, you are so
55:07
in tune with little micro
55:09
movements. It would
55:11
be a DB that I have a step
55:13
on them and now I'm
55:16
a step behind them and I know it's because
55:18
I drank. I know that it's
55:21
messing me up in that regard. So
55:23
he's like, just can't do it because it's
55:25
just like two steps, but
55:27
you're dialed into it. Even like,
55:29
even it could be less than that. I mean, could
55:31
you imagine how if they
55:33
can get their fingertip on the ball and
55:36
knock it up and then catch it. But
55:39
maybe there's that much, their reaction is that much
55:42
slower because of the alcohol or whatever they did.
55:44
And they just didn't get that fingertip on it.
55:46
So a fingertip. Cause you've seen
55:48
game. Remember that catch Edelman had where
55:50
it gets Atlanta where he's bobbling it around about what if
55:53
you would have went on drinking the night before. He
55:55
wouldn't have kept that ball off the ground. It would have lost
55:57
that Super Bowl. So it's like. the
56:00
difference between success and failure can be
56:02
that small. So who can
56:04
really afford to give that up when
56:07
you're at the highest level? You can't. You can't.
56:09
When was the last time you got drunk? Man,
56:13
I don't know. It's been a while. For real? Not
56:16
even like recently you guys were all in fucking
56:18
Maui hunting pigs and fucking Joe
56:20
and everyone's around. They're like, ah, let's have
56:22
a cold beer. And you're
56:24
just like, I'll have a water. A
56:28
Diet Coke usually. Sometimes
56:30
you ever feel like you're like a real bad boy and you have a
56:32
regular Coke? Yeah,
56:35
if I'm getting crazy. It's a
56:37
lot of sugar. Well, I stayed
56:39
away from Diet Coke for so long
56:42
that probably like in
56:44
the last year, a couple of times, I've been like,
56:46
hey, let me get a regular Coke. And I have
56:48
a sip and I'm like, ooh. I know, yes. I'm
56:51
like, this is fucking wild. You lunatonic. You're
56:53
a nasty boy. Yeah. It
56:56
hits so different. You're like, I can't have too much of
56:58
it. This is crazy. What's
57:00
your favorite part of po hunting? I
57:02
like the challenge. I like being in the mountains.
57:04
I like being in tune. You know, it's like,
57:07
what I like about it is in normal life,
57:09
we're a lot of distractions, a lot of shit
57:11
going on in the mountains. It's so pure. And
57:14
it's just like you versus the animal. You're
57:17
impacted by the mountains themselves, the weather. And
57:20
it's just as pure as it gets, as
57:22
far as living. No distractions. And
57:24
that's what, that
57:27
can be hard for people. You've hunted countless
57:30
times, right? Yeah, in my 40 years. So
57:35
in all those times, have you, because everybody
57:37
always wonders this, have you had threat
57:39
encounters where you're like, oh shit. Like everybody
57:41
always thinks about. That would be
57:43
the reason I wouldn't go hunt. And the
57:45
big, I mean, in grizzly country,
57:48
that's a real threat. Sure. The
57:50
big bears. Have you had that encounter?
57:52
Yeah, definitely. And what has happened? Well,
57:57
I mean, I just had, so I've
57:59
had a couple charges. One time
58:01
I killed this brown bear, my buddy Roy,
58:03
who got me into bow hunting, who died in
58:05
2015, he fell hunting, he was
58:08
sheep hunting and fell and died. Oh my God.
58:10
Off of like a cliff mountain?
58:13
Yep. And sheep are in
58:15
really rugged countries. Oh, right. And
58:17
like on sides of... Yeah. But that's
58:19
what we loved. The bigger the
58:21
adventure, the crazier the adventure, that's what we
58:23
loved. We lived for that. So,
58:27
earlier that year, when I
58:29
was 2015, he fell on October
58:31
4th, I believe is when he fell. We
58:34
had done a moose hunt two weeks
58:37
prior and I killed a big, a
58:39
good moose and really good video. But
58:41
the hunt right before that, I had done brown bear, which
58:44
are grizzly that eat on fish.
58:46
So, if they're
58:49
on the ocean, they're called brown bear. If
58:51
they're inland, they're called grizzly. Same species. Really?
58:55
Yeah. But the brown bear
58:57
get bigger because... And more aggressive, right? I
59:00
think grizzlies are more aggressive because they have
59:02
to work harder for their kills. A
59:05
brown bear can eat salmon in
59:07
the water. So they're not working that hard, but so
59:09
they get bigger because they have all that protein. So
59:12
they can get up to a thousand pounds where a
59:14
grizzly would be like 600 pounds, but they're fast.
59:18
So I killed
59:21
or I snuck up on
59:23
this brown
59:25
bear in the tidal flats in this
59:27
grass, sat up and I
59:29
shot the arrow went frontal
59:31
right here and it bear
59:34
took off, went down. This
59:37
female grizzly or brown
59:39
bear with full grown cubs, the cubs will
59:41
hang out with their mom. They
59:44
don't need the mom, but they still kind of hang out for another year
59:46
or so with her. So
59:49
she heard the
59:51
arrow hit the bear
59:53
and she got kind of
59:55
alarmed because she was about a hundred yards away, stood
59:57
up in the grass and was like looking
59:59
around. like this came running towards me,
1:00:02
picked up where I had hit that brown
1:00:04
bear and there's blood on the ground for
1:00:06
the arrow had caused a hemorrhage. And
1:00:09
she started tracking that bear, that other bear,
1:00:11
smelling blood, smell blood, just like just
1:00:14
going crazy. And
1:00:16
my buddy Roy, he had, I
1:00:18
went back to him and he
1:00:20
had a rifle and this
1:00:23
female goes out to the bear I killed as
1:00:25
a boar, a male, and she starts tearing
1:00:27
it up, like attacking it and it's dead. And
1:00:30
I was like, I tell Roy, I said, I go,
1:00:32
she's tearing up my bear. And I
1:00:34
said, shoot out there. And so we didn't want to
1:00:36
kill another bear, but wanted to
1:00:38
spook her off from she's tearing up the hide,
1:00:40
doing all this crazy shit, just grass
1:00:42
and everything was going crazy. So she shoots,
1:00:44
boom. And she
1:00:47
didn't even nothing. And I said, shoot again,
1:00:50
shoots again. And she looks up like this and she
1:00:52
looks and then she sees us because we're in grass.
1:00:54
So it's like grass is only about up to here.
1:00:56
We're standing up. She sees us full
1:00:58
bore, sprinting.
1:01:01
So the bear made it 130 yards dead. So
1:01:04
she had 130 yards to cover. And
1:01:06
she's like, and Roy said, she's
1:01:09
coming full speed. Roy said, if
1:01:11
she crosses a creek, I'm going
1:01:13
to have to shoot her. And I said, yeah. And
1:01:16
so she bombs right across that creek. And it
1:01:18
didn't even slow down. It gets right up to
1:01:20
us, 20 yards away,
1:01:22
stops, stands up. And
1:01:25
we're like, Hey, get out of here. Get out of here.
1:01:27
And we're like, staring, like standing up on her back legs,
1:01:29
like looking like this. And Roy's like,
1:01:31
you know, I have my bow and I have
1:01:33
an arrow knocked. It's not going to really do
1:01:35
shit, but I talked about this in the book
1:01:37
if you remember. But anyway, the bear drops
1:01:39
down and charges and Roy
1:01:42
shoots and hits her like,
1:01:44
this aiming just frontal, but hit her in between
1:01:47
the head and the shoulder and just folded her
1:01:49
dead. And we
1:01:51
had it on video. And I was,
1:01:53
what you hear on the video is I just
1:01:55
go fuck. And he's like,
1:01:57
dude, I had to. And I said, I know. fucking
1:02:00
kill another bear because I just killed a bear.
1:02:02
Yeah. And it was a good clean kill, big
1:02:05
male. And now we had
1:02:07
this, the cubs were going to, they
1:02:09
were over a year old, so they were going to be
1:02:11
fine. But we had another dead brown
1:02:13
bear. And so
1:02:15
we called fishing game, filled out the thing. It's
1:02:17
called defensive life and
1:02:20
property. So it's legal to do that if
1:02:23
whatever. So that was one. And
1:02:26
then just the last grizzly hunt I did, I
1:02:28
was up in, up
1:02:30
in hunting inland and I hit
1:02:32
this bear and it
1:02:34
perfect, you know, should,
1:02:37
should have been perfect. I hit a little far
1:02:39
forward right here on a
1:02:41
broadside bear and it takes
1:02:43
off and we follow
1:02:45
blood and when you're hunting grizzly, you
1:02:47
have to have a guide if you're a non-resident, if
1:02:50
you don't live in Alaska, you're called a non-resident. So
1:02:53
there was a guide there and we go into the
1:02:55
really thick alders and I could tell it's like, God,
1:02:57
it wasn't a perfect shot because the bear would have
1:02:59
been dead already. We had went like a couple hundred
1:03:02
yards. Normally a perfect shot, they'll
1:03:04
go 50 yards. You take out their lungs, they're
1:03:06
going to die. So
1:03:08
it went a couple hundred yards and got
1:03:10
in these really thick alders and
1:03:12
everybody was like really, you know,
1:03:15
it's pretty anxious time. It's pretty
1:03:17
intense. A wounded grizzly in the
1:03:19
alders, really thick. So
1:03:23
we're following this blood getting down there and
1:03:26
the guide was off to my left and
1:03:28
I was right here and he
1:03:30
goes, he goes dead bear. And
1:03:32
I said, Oh good. You know, I look, I
1:03:34
said, Oh, okay. I could see that blonde hide
1:03:37
from the grizzly and he's
1:03:39
like, wait, no, it
1:03:41
moved, it moved his head. And I was like,
1:03:43
don't shoot because like
1:03:45
for a bow hunter, if a
1:03:47
gun is involved, it, it's not
1:03:49
a bow kill anymore. So
1:03:52
I'm a bow hunter. That's all I do.
1:03:55
And so I said, don't shoot. And and
1:03:58
he goes, okay. And I said, let me. and
1:04:01
finish it. And so I get
1:04:03
down in there and I'm
1:04:06
trying to get a shot. It's like maybe from here to the wall
1:04:08
there. And yeah, but the alders
1:04:10
were so thick. So I'm a full
1:04:12
drawn, I'm down on one knee, trying
1:04:15
to get a, and bears like sitting there
1:04:17
looking like this, but it was hurt. Couldn't really,
1:04:20
it was, you know, fatally wounded.
1:04:22
Just hadn't died yet. And
1:04:26
about a split second starts coming right
1:04:29
at me. But it's only, you know,
1:04:31
15 feet away basically. And
1:04:34
so I shoot, I finally had
1:04:36
a, found a window to shoot through. I
1:04:38
shot, hit the bear in the chest.
1:04:41
The guide shot, hit the bear in
1:04:43
the hip and kind of spun it
1:04:45
and it was dead. But, and
1:04:48
on that one too, I was like, fuck. Cause it
1:04:50
was like another, I hate having
1:04:52
guns involved, but I couldn't blame him. Cause
1:04:54
it was that close, right? They just had
1:04:57
a hunter just got attacked. I
1:04:59
think the year prior on a wounded grizzly. Cause it,
1:05:02
they're tough. Freaking grizzlies are
1:05:04
tough. So you
1:05:06
can't, yeah, you weren't pissed that. No,
1:05:09
I just pissed at the situation. He
1:05:11
did what he had to do. I mean, I
1:05:13
just said, and before we went down there, I
1:05:15
said, I don't want guns involved. I don't want even, I just
1:05:17
want to go down there. And if it's
1:05:20
a mess, I need to clean up. I did it. And
1:05:23
my attitude is always, if I'm
1:05:25
trying to kill this bear, if something happens, then it kills
1:05:27
me. That's
1:05:30
just the way it goes. That's what I was trying to do. So it's like, that's
1:05:34
the deal, right? So I didn't want the guns
1:05:36
involved. He's just doing his job though. So it's
1:05:38
like, I can't be mad at that. I was
1:05:40
just mad. I made kind
1:05:42
of a marginal shot that didn't kill
1:05:45
the bear as quickly as I should have. Can I ask
1:05:47
you, I want to ask you this, one other question about
1:05:49
hunting. Cause you've hunted so much. What
1:05:53
percent, like I always imagine, you always imagine
1:05:56
when people go on hunts, whether
1:05:58
it's for deer. turkey
1:06:00
or bear whatever moose
1:06:03
that not every hunt
1:06:06
nets you what you're out for right yeah
1:06:09
generally now I mean like an elk hunt success is 10% so
1:06:11
that's I was gonna ask
1:06:13
like shut up so does it sometimes you just
1:06:15
go for a walk well
1:06:18
it's a walk
1:06:20
with purpose but but what what
1:06:22
percentage of hunts that you
1:06:24
go on I guess overall net you
1:06:27
what you were out for me
1:06:30
yeah you I mean I
1:06:34
haven't not killed on a hunt
1:06:37
I mean I just had a mountain lion hunt where I just
1:06:39
didn't see a lion that I wanted to kill
1:06:41
so it's kind of like a whatever
1:06:44
but before that it'd
1:06:46
been since 2009 since I hadn't
1:06:48
killed so you always have
1:06:50
killed something but
1:06:53
species why or like you know
1:06:55
animal does it does the variable change
1:06:57
animal animal and it's yeah so elk is 10%
1:06:59
deer is about 20% there's there's
1:07:02
more deer than elk you know elk are just
1:07:05
lower number you're just a better hunter than
1:07:07
because you said you're not having had not
1:07:10
worked really hard okay I worked really hard
1:07:12
I'm not I'm not better than anybody I
1:07:14
probably just sacrificed more to be to to
1:07:18
put more odds in my favor
1:07:20
and you know just
1:07:22
have done it a long time so I have
1:07:24
a lot of experience where's the mountain lion hunt
1:07:26
take place that was Colorado is that a season
1:07:28
two for them yeah mm-hmm that
1:07:30
feels like a fucking terrifying hunt to be on
1:07:33
yeah that one you do use
1:07:36
dogs for that so I could
1:07:38
do that just seeing just seeing
1:07:40
a lion they're so nocturnal and
1:07:43
so whatever so dialed
1:07:45
in you just walking around you hardly ever
1:07:47
see them I mean I've seen a night
1:07:49
hunt no it's during the day but
1:07:51
they can track them and then they tree them and
1:07:54
so basically the dogs are doing the work so
1:07:56
the dogs are like they're
1:07:58
the dogs are incredible they're your tool for
1:08:00
that hunt. It's not a bow, not a
1:08:02
rifle per se. It's the dog as the
1:08:05
hunting tool. They're just really good. They're bred
1:08:07
for it. They love it. They love the
1:08:09
chase. So that's how
1:08:11
you'd, I've never killed a mountain lion. That was,
1:08:13
I was doing it because in Colorado
1:08:16
right now, they have a very liberal
1:08:18
governor. They're going after hunting. They reintroduce
1:08:20
wolves, which are going to knock down
1:08:22
elk and deer populations, which I think
1:08:25
the goal is to, so they can
1:08:27
say, we don't need hunting anymore. We don't need
1:08:29
hunting to control these numbers. So this, their
1:08:31
governors is he's got a husband. So
1:08:34
that's, that's, that's,
1:08:38
I took me a second at process. I
1:08:40
was like, wait, he's got a husband. So
1:08:42
I was going there just to try to
1:08:44
tell the story about mountain lions and why
1:08:46
it's important to manage it.
1:08:48
And it's like, where I was saying that his husband
1:08:50
hunts, his husband does not hunt
1:08:53
and he doesn't hunt. I didn't, I'm not
1:08:55
sure what they do. But
1:08:58
I think the goal is to like definitely
1:09:00
stop mountain lion hunting. Yeah. And
1:09:02
then stop all hunting. The other time, there's
1:09:05
times that like LA gets mountain lion
1:09:07
problems. Like there's that famous picture with
1:09:09
the Hollywood sign right there with that
1:09:11
big lion. And I mean, I,
1:09:14
I just ran up to the sign like two days ago
1:09:16
and it's like, it's,
1:09:18
there's coyotes all over up there. That's another
1:09:20
one. That's one of the craziest things. When
1:09:22
you, when I moved to LA, you move
1:09:25
into like, you know, I'd never lived
1:09:27
in a major city. I'm
1:09:30
moving to Los Angeles, second biggest city,
1:09:33
one of the world's great, you know, cities. And
1:09:35
you're like, this is a city, right? And
1:09:38
like a few things, one time I'm
1:09:40
driving down fountain, which is one of
1:09:42
Hollywood's big streets. And
1:09:45
this is like, I don't know, like middle of
1:09:47
the day. And I just see a coyote
1:09:51
with a dog in its mouth just jogging.
1:09:53
And I'm like, this is not fucking fountain.
1:09:55
And then when I moved
1:09:57
into the valley, we we
1:10:01
would see coyotes up
1:10:04
and down the street early morning, especially if you were up
1:10:06
early, and you'd see them
1:10:08
hunting through or jumping through people's yards, just
1:10:10
stepping around, and then you would see things
1:10:12
like rabbit torn
1:10:14
to pieces in a front yard,
1:10:16
and another time in the
1:10:19
valley, I saw a coyote with a
1:10:21
dog in its mouth where
1:10:23
I used to live in Woodland Hills. Yeah,
1:10:27
coyotes, they say coyotes kill 60%
1:10:29
of deer fawns. Wow.
1:10:32
So the baby deer that are born, coyotes
1:10:35
are killing 60% of them. Wow. They,
1:10:38
you know, if you think about a coyote, it's like people
1:10:40
will say, well, you don't need to eat meat,
1:10:42
you could have this, whatever type of diet. A
1:10:44
coyote, they gotta kill. They're not, what
1:10:46
else are they gonna eat? There's no
1:10:48
dog food. You know, they're not going to
1:10:51
the store, so they're killing all the time,
1:10:53
always hunting, always killing, and it's like, they're
1:10:55
really good at it, too. Yeah, they're good
1:10:57
at it. Yeah, but it's. What was it
1:10:59
like? What was it like? Because we both
1:11:02
know Joe, when
1:11:05
he gets passionate about comedy, you
1:11:07
can call him up. Or pool. You
1:11:09
can just, yeah, pool or fucking. But
1:11:13
like, you met Joe when he decided he was
1:11:15
gonna start becoming a hunter. What
1:11:17
was that early, because
1:11:19
he's the most curious fucking
1:11:21
guy. Also obsessive. Obsessive, obsessive.
1:11:23
What was that initial relationship
1:11:25
like? I
1:11:28
can only imagine he was almost calling you
1:11:30
every day, going like, hey, I have another
1:11:32
question. Yeah, yeah. What was that initial relationship
1:11:35
like? It was pretty cool because at
1:11:37
that time, I was just grinding in Oregon.
1:11:39
Nobody really knew who I was. I
1:11:42
was putting my YouTube videos up, and
1:11:45
Joe, he loves YouTube. I mean, he
1:11:47
is always looking at stuff, researching
1:11:50
stuff, he's always on there. So
1:11:52
he saw that shooting
1:11:55
a bow, and I was carrying the rock up the mountain. That's
1:11:57
one of the workouts that I do, is I carry that fucking
1:11:59
rock. Yeah, and so I had a
1:12:02
video of it and that's the one
1:12:04
that daddy Huberman Huber daddy
1:12:06
Huber daddy carried out Yeah,
1:12:08
yeah. Yeah that with the no shirt
1:12:10
on that one. Oh, yeah go viral Yeah,
1:12:17
so Joe in 2014 tweeted
1:12:20
he said hey Cameron Hayes you ever want to
1:12:22
come to LA and talk about bow hunting and
1:12:24
training and And so that
1:12:27
was it. I I took a bow down there.
1:12:29
That's what I do. Yeah. Yeah. I want to
1:12:31
talk about training a bow hunting Yeah, so I
1:12:33
was like shit So I took him a bow
1:12:36
and showed him just kind of the basics on shooting a
1:12:38
bow and I said hey We should go on a on
1:12:40
a hunt and he's like yeah, fuck. Yeah, I want to
1:12:42
do a hunt and I said, okay,
1:12:44
well There's a good
1:12:46
hunt I do up in Alberta with the rivets
1:12:49
is his family up there They've become really good
1:12:51
friends, but it's in Alberta tons
1:12:53
of bear up there They have
1:12:55
to they have to kill bear to
1:12:57
keep the moose and deer numbers healthy,
1:12:59
right? Because bear just just like coyotes
1:13:01
they'll kill a bunch of the fawns and
1:13:03
the out calves and the moose calves so
1:13:07
You can go up there and kill two two black bears. So
1:13:09
I told Joe I said This is
1:13:11
a really good first bow hunt because I can
1:13:13
be there right with you the bear. There's so
1:13:15
many of them We
1:13:18
bait them in and Cuz
1:13:20
it's such thick brush. You couldn't hunt
1:13:22
them. Otherwise like a bowl of honey No,
1:13:25
like we use oats
1:13:29
Yeah, just like oats and then
1:13:31
mix some grease in and it's pretty good
1:13:33
You know, so it actually makes them the
1:13:35
meat is really good, too But so I
1:13:37
told Joe I said we can go
1:13:39
up there then I can I can be with you
1:13:41
and I can say whether it's A male or a
1:13:44
female because we want to kill big old males. That's
1:13:46
that's best for the health of the of the bear
1:13:49
Numbers there you take out a
1:13:51
big old male that's already done its job as
1:13:53
far as passing on genetics and things like that
1:13:56
And so I said I can be there we can identify the
1:13:58
right bear and I can you know, tell you when
1:14:01
it was a good shot. So we did that.
1:14:03
He killed a nice bear on his first ever
1:14:05
bow hunt in 2014. What was, what
1:14:07
was, what was Joe, Joe Rogan's reaction? Uh, kill.
1:14:11
He, you know, you know where it was. So
1:14:14
he's pretty subdued on that one, like pretty chill,
1:14:16
you know, cause he's done a lot of things
1:14:19
where the next year I took him on his
1:14:21
first elk hunt. And, uh, that
1:14:24
was like, he, like
1:14:26
I said, he is, can be calm
1:14:28
even in tense situations, but we had
1:14:30
two bulls coming in bugling and
1:14:33
he said at that time and they came
1:14:35
in really close, like in bow range and
1:14:37
they're like, have you heard an elk bugle?
1:14:39
Mm-hmm. Have you? On a
1:14:42
video. Yeah, right. So in person,
1:14:44
it feels like it's going to blow your hat off.
1:14:46
It's loud. They sound like
1:14:48
some prehistoric animal. And then these big antlers
1:14:51
come through and, and so we're on this
1:14:53
little creek, creek bed and coming down the
1:14:55
ridges on either side of the creek beds
1:14:57
were these two bulls. So Joe
1:14:59
at that time said that, you
1:15:02
know, he's done, he's fought, he's
1:15:04
done comedy, he's done, you know,
1:15:06
TV. He's like, that's
1:15:08
the most intense moment he's ever
1:15:11
been in with those bulls coming
1:15:13
in and bugling. So that is,
1:15:16
and that is, and you guys took those two down or? No,
1:15:18
no, we didn't even kill either one of them.
1:15:20
But I got you. Yeah. That was like, that
1:15:23
was like, that's hunting. Just
1:15:25
a real life hunting. Just primal, primal. You're
1:15:27
there. We're on our knees in this creek
1:15:29
bed with the bow and arrow and these
1:15:31
bulls are, are lighting up. They think they're
1:15:33
going to come in and fight each other
1:15:35
because they're aggressive. That's how they do it.
1:15:38
And they bugle on the way to announce like
1:15:40
the herds like, Oh, now's our
1:15:43
presence type thing. It's fucking intense. And
1:15:45
Joe said that too. He's like, this
1:15:47
was, this was unlike anything
1:15:49
I've ever experienced. So that's when he was really
1:15:51
hooked. That's when he got, that's when he got
1:15:53
hooked. And then you couldn't even talk to him
1:15:55
anymore. Yeah. Like he would be like, he was
1:15:57
so obsessed with hunting. I love that he gets
1:15:59
obsessed. like that. Would
1:16:03
it be a bad thing if we killed a bear, considering
1:16:06
our brand is two bears? I think
1:16:08
people would like it. We
1:16:10
should kill a bear. Be fun. Sure.
1:16:13
You guys want to kill a bear? Yeah. I'm
1:16:16
going bear hunting in two weeks. You know, I'm
1:16:18
a master archer, right? You are? Pull
1:16:21
it up. So we
1:16:23
grew up, we grew up, just regular
1:16:28
boars. Like a recurve? Recurve boars. We
1:16:30
grew up recurved boars. And I'm a
1:16:33
Burke Kreischer, elite athlete.
1:16:35
Is this it? Yeah.
1:16:38
And so I like to be sneaky athletic.
1:16:40
Yeah. I like when people don't know that
1:16:42
I'm athletic, but I'm pretty good with
1:16:44
a bow. We have bows at the house, but just recurve.
1:16:46
I used to shoot with a girl in the backyard. And
1:16:49
so we're doing a set of a show and snoop's there. I
1:16:51
was like, give me your bow. Take a look at my form,
1:16:53
Cam. Tell me what you think. I think I did see this.
1:16:55
Take a look at my form. Tell me what you
1:16:58
think. What year was this? This was like three
1:17:01
years ago. So, um,
1:17:04
that shirt's sick. The
1:17:06
fat underneath it is probably. Yeah. How much more did
1:17:09
you weigh there? Don't listen. Let's talk about it. Okay.
1:17:11
But the guy was trying to shoot a bullseye and
1:17:13
I was like, all right, but I can shoot a
1:17:15
bullseye. Yeah. And they're like, no fucking way. And I
1:17:17
just pull back and
1:17:25
boom and can't. Holy shit. Yeah. There you
1:17:27
go. So we have bows at the house.
1:17:29
I enjoy shooting. I enjoy shooting pretty good,
1:17:32
but I thought it was going to be
1:17:34
like, have you seen that one where
1:17:36
they guys going to shoot something off the
1:17:38
guys head and hit him in the forehead? Yeah.
1:17:40
Yeah. Was that Russian? I think so. They don't
1:17:42
fuck around. They're just like, that's okay. Drag them
1:17:44
off. Yeah. We were in Hawaii. We were in
1:17:46
Hawaii and they're also doing like car jiu-jitsu, like
1:17:48
seat belts. Oh, that's fucking bad. And
1:17:51
phone booth. Yeah. They're out of
1:17:53
their minds. Also every pre-fight, like
1:17:56
if they're going to fight later the next day
1:17:58
at the, you know, like the. weigh-in kind of
1:18:00
thing. They'll just like crack someone's
1:18:02
head wide open and be like, yeah. And
1:18:04
you're like, dude, the fight's over. Like, you're
1:18:06
not fighting tomorrow. And there's no issue about
1:18:09
it. It's never like a thing. Tommy, let's
1:18:11
get into bow hunting. I think it'd be
1:18:13
a really cool thing to get into. Oh,
1:18:15
that's the other thing is, yeah, with Joe
1:18:17
too, is like once you guys started hunting,
1:18:20
his training and
1:18:22
regimen and weight was all about, oh,
1:18:25
hunting's coming up. I gotta like gain
1:18:27
10 pounds or I gotta, it
1:18:29
was all about hunting. And you've seen him be
1:18:31
obsessive like with your, the October
1:18:33
October. So that's what he is. And
1:18:36
he'll, he gets like that
1:18:38
with archery. He'll shoot too much. He'll
1:18:41
be standing out in his yard in Texas, you know, it's
1:18:43
240 degrees. And
1:18:45
just soaking this drenched in sweat.
1:18:48
And he'll actually, he shoots way more than
1:18:50
I shoot because that's his brain.
1:18:52
Yeah, that is definitely his brain. But
1:18:54
like with the hunting too, people,
1:18:56
you know, it would be good for you
1:18:58
guys to expose it, a
1:19:00
different audience to hunting because people have this
1:19:02
misconception about bears. Like there's not very many
1:19:05
bears. There's so many fucking bears out there.
1:19:07
They have to be controlled. Cause
1:19:09
we just, we don't have unlimited habitat like back
1:19:11
in the day. Our cities
1:19:13
have encroached. It's, you know, habitats is
1:19:16
shrinking. So we have to be able
1:19:19
to hunt them. And then people
1:19:21
think, well, they're almost, there's not very many
1:19:23
bear. No, there's fucking a lot of bear.
1:19:25
And also the meat's good. So people think
1:19:27
they don't know you can eat meat. So
1:19:30
you guys telling that story would be incredible.
1:19:32
Yeah, that'd be cool. What size, I'm gonna
1:19:34
go buy a bow today. What size, what
1:19:36
poundage do I want? I
1:19:38
mean, you'll start low. Cause it's, you
1:19:41
know, when I had Huberman, Huberman is
1:19:43
jacked, right? Yeah. His bow, he had to
1:19:45
start super low because it's such a, you've
1:19:48
shot before though. But when you haven't shot
1:19:50
like he hadn't shot, it's- It's
1:19:52
a unique, different thing. It's all, it's so
1:19:54
different. But now he shot yesterday
1:19:56
in his yard. We're sitting there and he's like,
1:19:59
the bow's turned up. It's whatever but
1:20:01
to start off normally people are pretty
1:20:03
low Then your body just like
1:20:05
we talked about running your body adapts and then
1:20:07
you get to take what what's low? What's the
1:20:10
like 40 pounds is pretty low. So that's what that's a
1:20:12
good starting point Yeah, you get it both and then like
1:20:14
if you could get up to like 60 pounds
1:20:17
you kill a bear pretty Yeah, they
1:20:20
had a 60 pound bow on Steve cases
1:20:22
land in Hawaii. Mmm, and it
1:20:24
was raining We were under a tent and they had
1:20:26
their their You know you
1:20:28
get the like plastic pigs or whatever. Yeah, yeah
1:20:30
And and we were drunk and I was
1:20:32
like yeah, bring the bow out I bet you hit the pig from
1:20:35
here and they're like bullshit It
1:20:37
was all travel channel and I pulled
1:20:39
it back and it's it's interesting If you've never used
1:20:41
a compound bow, you don't know that once you get
1:20:44
to a certain pot spot It releases and you can
1:20:46
steady yourself. So no one on our crew could get
1:20:48
it back to there Yeah And then I got it
1:20:50
back there Fucking lit it up
1:20:52
from under a fucking tent in the rain
1:20:54
drunk as fuck and these Hawaiians were losing
1:20:57
their mind What do
1:20:59
you work? What do you use? What's yours at? Mine's
1:21:02
at 90 90 Yeah, but
1:21:04
that's that you don't need to One
1:21:07
other thing cuz I don't want to forget to ask with
1:21:09
all because we talked about like how you know You push
1:21:12
yourself so hard and you do with all
1:21:14
these like incredible physical feats What
1:21:17
physically has been like has
1:21:19
everything kept up pretty well. Have you had
1:21:21
like major? Injuries
1:21:24
or no. No, so like knees ankles,
1:21:26
whatever. Good. That's amazing. Yeah, all good. It's
1:21:28
but part of it is too is like,
1:21:30
you know Living pretty
1:21:32
clean you live clean. Yes, and I
1:21:35
eat you take recovery seriously Yeah, all
1:21:37
of it, you know, I got the sauna the hot
1:21:39
tub. I get massages twice a week I got a
1:21:41
massage table at my house. Yeah, so they come in
1:21:43
twice a week do that Yeah, I
1:21:45
mean I'm I push hard so I I
1:21:48
have to do all those little things Yeah,
1:21:50
you do that. I'm fucking old to not
1:21:52
old. So it's it's a but I feel
1:21:54
to be honest I feel
1:21:57
better now that I did in my 20s when I was drinking
1:21:59
and being a fuck So
1:22:01
it's like, it's crazy
1:22:03
what, and you look at me and
1:22:05
Joe have talked about this, because he's
1:22:08
three months older than me, August and
1:22:10
then mine's October, but both 56. Back
1:22:13
in the day, if you looked at somebody
1:22:15
who's 56, you'd be like, look at that old man.
1:22:17
It looked good. And that guy looked like shit. Wilford
1:22:19
Brimley and Cocoon was 52. Cocoon, he was 52. And
1:22:24
they're like, he's about to die. And
1:22:26
you look at Joe now, he's fucking
1:22:28
jacked, right? And so it's like, nowadays
1:22:31
with the diet, with the supplements, with, you
1:22:34
know, we know more, we train a little better.
1:22:37
You don't have to be old. You don't have
1:22:39
to be old for a long time. And
1:22:42
I'm still very active. So I do a lot of
1:22:44
the little things to keep that going. It's awesome, man.
1:22:48
But I want to say, if you guys
1:22:50
did, there's something, you know,
1:22:54
when Joe started hunting, he was
1:22:56
like, oh, this
1:22:58
is how it's supposed to, it feels, even
1:23:01
shooting a bow, feels familiar,
1:23:04
even though you've never done it. Because that's
1:23:06
how we've survived. We
1:23:10
survived as hunters in killing. So
1:23:13
when you do it, you're like, why
1:23:16
does this feel familiar to me? It's
1:23:19
because that's, it is, it's there. This
1:23:22
normal life that we do where somebody else is
1:23:24
doing all the killing for us and they give
1:23:26
us a tray with our food, that's not normal.
1:23:29
That's not how, for fucking, up
1:23:32
until, you know, 200 years ago or 300 years
1:23:34
ago, that's how it ever was. It was always
1:23:36
like, can you be a provider? So
1:23:39
when you are a provider and you're bringing that meat
1:23:41
home to your family, it's fucking powerful. I bet. I
1:23:44
would love that. I mean, I know the
1:23:46
power of when Joe gives you fucking 20 pounds
1:23:48
of elk. For him,
1:23:50
it's powerful too. So if you could do that and
1:23:52
you say, hey, I killed this bear. I want you
1:23:54
to make a meal with it, dude.
1:23:57
There's nothing sweet. There's nothing. There's
1:24:00
nothing in life that's going to give you that type
1:24:02
of reward. When's bear season? Like
1:24:04
I said, I'm going in two weeks. You
1:24:08
guys are are active. Like what was what
1:24:10
was why? Why are you guys doing five
1:24:12
K's now? I mean, how much weight have
1:24:14
you lost and how much have you lost?
1:24:17
I'm curious. I mean, over
1:24:19
the last few
1:24:22
years, probably like around
1:24:24
50, because I see old videos
1:24:26
of you. It's like,
1:24:28
fuck. Yeah, like 50 pounds. Tom hurt himself.
1:24:30
It kind of was a reset. It
1:24:33
was a reset for Tom. I remember talking to Joe the next
1:24:35
day on the phone and being like, oh,
1:24:38
we've like when
1:24:40
you start losing your hair, you go, oh, I got a foot
1:24:43
in the grave. Like I'm dying. I'm
1:24:45
the body's falling apart. And
1:24:48
that symbol symbolic for and at that
1:24:50
moment I realized we can't go play
1:24:52
basketball anymore. And I was like, oh,
1:24:54
I got to change this. But I didn't for a long time. I even got
1:24:56
bigger. I got up to 280
1:24:58
probably maybe even bigger. Who was it?
1:25:01
Who was I talking to? I was
1:25:03
talking to Matt Mitrione and he said,
1:25:05
what's the patties you've ever been? I said, 270 goes
1:25:08
to 85 then. I went, no,
1:25:10
270. He goes, buddy, the day you didn't get on
1:25:12
the scale, that was 285. Yeah, and
1:25:14
I was like, fuck. Yeah.
1:25:17
And so but then I think this Tommy's
1:25:20
transformation was inspiring.
1:25:23
And then I just got
1:25:25
to a place where I was like, this isn't this isn't
1:25:28
I got friends in high school that I went to high
1:25:30
school with go, this isn't who you are like this.
1:25:32
I know this is like a thing that you
1:25:34
know, you're doing really well, but this isn't who you are. And
1:25:37
I went out and did Emily. I was really fat.
1:25:39
I did Emily and I hit a home
1:25:41
run with the kids. I went up to take
1:25:43
batting practice. I hit a home run. And I
1:25:45
was like, this is who I used to be. And
1:25:48
I was like, I got really into I got
1:25:51
really into fucking obsessive almost now.
1:25:54
I think it doesn't lend its your comedy brain
1:25:56
well when you're thinking about your workouts and you're
1:25:58
thinking about your runs. It's better to
1:26:00
be a fucking stoner sitting on a couch just going like,
1:26:03
you know, whatever. I was gonna think of
1:26:05
jokes all day, but I'm so
1:26:07
fucking happy. I like it way more. I like
1:26:10
it way more. I feel joy. But when you're,
1:26:13
I mean, when you're running, don't you have
1:26:15
some good ideas? When I'm walking. Walking. When
1:26:17
I walk, I go for a hike. I can think real clean. When
1:26:19
I run, my brain shuts
1:26:22
off. Okay. Because I know
1:26:24
when I'm, I have to use my notes thing on my phone
1:26:26
because I'm like, sometimes it's weird.
1:26:28
It's like you think after you do a run, you'd be
1:26:31
in a better mood. But when I'm running, sometimes I obsess
1:26:33
about things. I get pissed off. But
1:26:36
then also sometimes I think about like
1:26:38
just lines that are just perfect for like an
1:26:40
article or something or, or whatever I'm
1:26:42
working on. And I have to stop and remember because
1:26:44
it's like, oh, if you say, Oh, I got to
1:26:46
remember that. I fucking care. Walks
1:26:48
are incredible. Walks are perfect. Do you guys
1:26:50
like do voice memos on a walk or
1:26:53
text yourself or something? Yeah. I
1:26:55
don't have notes or I even, you know, stop
1:26:57
type something out. But yeah, it comes to you.
1:26:59
Yeah. But the feeling, the lifestyle
1:27:02
of focusing on being
1:27:05
more active, like, you know, on tour, we
1:27:08
basically, we land,
1:27:10
drop bags, go to the gym
1:27:12
or drop bags, go for a run. Like,
1:27:14
yeah. And, and part of the routine, part
1:27:16
of the routine. And then our eating is much,
1:27:18
much cleaner than it used to be. You know, it's
1:27:20
like, it's pretty clean eating. Yeah. Always
1:27:23
kind of in the hunt of some type
1:27:25
of protein. Yeah. You know, on the
1:27:27
road and like, I just feel better. And then
1:27:29
it's, you know, I'm always trying to
1:27:32
get better sleep. Like I thought that's a big
1:27:34
part of it. Well,
1:27:36
so you guys have never been, you know,
1:27:39
bigger, like, as far as popularity. And
1:27:41
it's like, do you think it goes
1:27:43
hand in hand with like this elevated living
1:27:46
that you're doing, like more healthy living. And now you're
1:27:48
able to, to perform
1:27:51
at a higher level. I don't know. I know
1:27:53
it's not possible to do the touring I've been
1:27:55
doing. If I were
1:27:58
living the way I lived 10 years ago. It
1:28:00
would be impossible. I
1:28:02
was gonna die. You're generating
1:28:04
so much, like with all the podcasts and
1:28:06
the fucking events and the... You can't live...
1:28:10
That's a lot. No, it's taxing, man. It's taxing. And
1:28:12
all the travel... But you built your bodies up to
1:28:14
build it. Do it. Yeah, in
1:28:16
a way it sounds bizarre, but it's kind
1:28:18
of like our hunting season,
1:28:20
right? Like, if you... Purpose.
1:28:22
Yeah. You have to be able to
1:28:25
be on six flights for
1:28:28
five cities this week and do
1:28:30
things that... You gotta be here at
1:28:32
9am, here at... Go do the
1:28:35
show, get on a plane, travel the next city.
1:28:37
If you were just drinking,
1:28:39
eating like shit and not exercising,
1:28:42
there is a breaking point in that. Yeah. You
1:28:45
could probably do it if you were doing that at 25,
1:28:47
30 maybe. 51 is tough. You can't do it like that
1:28:49
later. I travel with a gym. Even
1:28:52
when I was in my fattest, I was still working out.
1:28:54
We travel with a gym inside our bus.
1:28:57
But for me, it is, I mean,
1:29:00
like clockwork every day at 6pm,
1:29:02
we go to the arena's gym
1:29:04
and we work out hard as fuck up
1:29:06
until 7 o'clock. Michael, what do you do? Everything.
1:29:09
Like weights, mostly? Mostly
1:29:12
weights. Mostly weights. Get on a
1:29:14
treadmill, do an assault bike. They have great gyms in
1:29:16
the arenas. So you can use the fucking... You know
1:29:18
who is fucking hardcore
1:29:21
with the working out? But I mean, I know
1:29:23
he looks great, so it is not that big
1:29:25
of a surprise. But when we got to see
1:29:27
it in person, I was playing, I don't remember
1:29:29
if it was like Salt Lake or one of
1:29:31
those, one of the arenas. And
1:29:34
as we were wrapping
1:29:37
up, there were trucks coming
1:29:39
in and one of
1:29:41
them was a massive mobile
1:29:43
gym. And I am like, whose fucking gym is this? Like
1:29:46
Tim McGraw. Oh yeah, he shredded. And then they go, then one
1:29:48
of his guys is like, you want to check it
1:29:50
out? And I go, fuck yeah. So
1:29:53
he takes me on a tour inside of this thing and it
1:29:55
is like, you know, it is like a really nice
1:29:58
gym you would find at like... like let's
1:30:00
say upscale hotel, like has
1:30:03
all the compartments, sauna, cold,
1:30:06
like, you know, cable stuff,
1:30:08
dumbbells, bench rack, you
1:30:10
know, everything. And I'm talking to
1:30:12
this guy, I'm like, so what, how, like,
1:30:15
how much does he use this? And they're like, how much does he
1:30:17
use this? They're like, he's in here
1:30:19
probably like three, four hours a day. And
1:30:21
then I'm like, what? And they go, yeah, and he
1:30:23
makes like crew
1:30:26
members and band members. Train.
1:30:28
Train too. So a lot of times he'll do
1:30:30
his thing with
1:30:32
them from this to this time, people
1:30:35
break, and then he comes back and
1:30:38
does. It's like, couple more hours. It's like being,
1:30:40
getting fresh fighters in every round. Yeah. God. And
1:30:42
he looks amazing. He does. He
1:30:44
loves wearing those tank tops with the sleeveless
1:30:46
shirts and his arms are fricking shitted. He's
1:30:48
jacked, dude. He looks great. Yeah. Yeah. But
1:30:50
he's like hardcore with it. Yeah. It's awesome.
1:30:52
I can tell. Yeah, that's
1:30:55
cool. Cam. Thank
1:30:57
you, man. Thank you. Just thank
1:31:00
you. Thanks for coming to the 5K. It
1:31:02
was awesome. You know, hopefully we
1:31:04
get you to the next one we do. Oh yeah.
1:31:06
And let's kill a bear. It's Carol bear. And I'd
1:31:08
like to carry a rock maybe up a hill or
1:31:10
something one day with you. I'll just
1:31:13
say it was an honor to be involved
1:31:15
in the event because I saw it was
1:31:17
so much positive energy, life-changing energy. It was
1:31:19
incredible to see what you guys kind of
1:31:21
just talking BSing came
1:31:24
up with this idea and to see what it
1:31:26
turned into unreal. And
1:31:28
then just being all, you guys welcome me and
1:31:30
have me on the podcast. And I'm so thankful
1:31:32
for you guys. You're an
1:31:34
inspiration, Cam. And being your friend is,
1:31:37
you know, I probably overshared
1:31:39
because I was drunk, but you're an
1:31:42
inspiration and I love your videos. You're the
1:31:44
reason we know who's gonna carry the
1:31:46
boats. If you hadn't worked him out
1:31:48
that fucking hard, he never would have yelled that
1:31:50
wild shit and that's all anyone fucking yells now.
1:31:53
It is. So that was such a
1:31:55
great day. But yesterday kind of
1:31:58
rivals it. Yesterday. It was just as powerful
1:32:00
to me. It was so
1:32:02
cool to see and so thank you. You made me want to
1:32:04
go out for a run now. Yeah,
1:32:07
let's link up again soon, man.
1:32:09
All right. It'll be fun.
1:32:11
Sounds good. Thanks, Cam. Awesome, thank
1:32:13
you, brother. Appreciate it. That's Tom.
1:32:15
Tom, it's Tom. Tom, it's Tom. Tom, the other
1:32:17
weirds are sure to put some tell stories and
1:32:20
learn some machines. Tom, there's a chance to tell
1:32:22
the tale to the queen. Here's
1:32:24
Tom, it's all. Tom, there's
1:32:26
him, babe. Tom,
1:32:30
there's him, babe.
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